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Tiger Slideshow: Pretty Mac OS X Pictures

Posted by timothy on from the sweet-like-krispy-kreme-donuts dept.

RAMMS+EIN writes with a good followup to the recent WWDC preview of Tiger, the next version of OS X. "eWeek has a slideshow illustrating some of Tiger's new features with screenshots. For a textual description, you can visit Apple's Tiger page."

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  1. Tiger says: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Theeeere GREAT!

  2. Old CLI Geezer by 7Ghent · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bah, screenshots. Why, in MY day all we had was a command line. AND WE WERE GLAD!

    1. Re:Old CLI Geezer by RadRafe · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't worry Granddad, you won't have to give up your precious CLI. Many of Tiger's new features, such as Core Image and the H.264 codec, mean nothing in the Terminal world, but I have heard of at least one - Spotlight, arguably the biggest feature of them all - which has been made to be accesible from the CLI as well as the GUI. There is a place for you shell-lovin' fogeys in Apple's grand plan!

    2. Re:Old CLI Geezer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bah, CLI. Why, in MY day all we had was clams and sand. Back then our calculations had a lot more tolerance, and we liked it that way.

    3. Re:Old CLI Geezer by Alien+Being · · Score: 5, Funny

      "...clams and sand" /bin/clamsh

  3. I might switch to mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This looks really nice. Heck I never play games anymore so that would be the only thing stopping me from switching. All I do is email, internet, documents and other related items.

    I am seriously looking at getting a mac with this new OS.

    1. Re:I might switch to mac by Echnin · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I was thinking the same thing last year: I hardly play games, and those Macs sure do look nice (my parents have used Macs for 17 years, all my life, with no sidesteps). So I got an iBook. Haven't looked back since.

      Tiger is due out in the first half of 2005, so there's still quite a while to wait. Oh, and make sure you watch the recording of Steve Jobs' keynote if you have an hour and 40 minutes to spare. It's nice, and watching the new features being demonstrated is much better than just reading about them.

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    2. Re:I might switch to mac by mdarksbane · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For the last time:

      There are more games available for mac than you can ever play in one lifetime.

      Yes, you can't build an awesome gaming rig for a cheap, and there are some games that will never make it over. Likewise, you will never be able to play Halo on PS2.

      However, thousands of games are ported/written for mac every year, and while the video cards in most macs aren't anything to brag about compared to PC, they'll still play every game that comes out for them.

      No, not breakout, or even super-breakout. I'm talking Halo, Unreal Tournament 2k4, Battlefield 1942, Age of Empires II, Dungeon Siege, etc, etc, etc. No, you can't play Counterstrike, but there's a lot more to gaming than CS.

      Gah. Yes, buying a mac to do nothing but play games is stupid. However, "I like to play games" is *not* a good reason to not get a mac if the rest of your computing experience is at least as important.

    3. Re:I might switch to mac by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Anecdotally, I find the interface under OS X to be faster and easier to use, and OS X as an OS considerably more stable. It handles greater loads for longer periods of time than my XP machine at work.

      I won't claim that OS X and the iApps are perfect (I file bugs about interface problems all the time), and quite a lot of people don't like the way the finder works, or how the dock is implemented. However, I wouldn't say that XP works 'equally well'. At best, I find it performs adequately well. It manages to stay stable enough for me to do my work for a few days before I NEED to reboot (or it kindly arbitrarily does it for me), but I often find myself looking for menu options that aren't there, or trying to do things that may as well be entirely impossible. (The 'services' menu option that's available in every OS X application by default is something that's terribly useful now and then, and drives me nuts that XP doesn't have.)

      In any case, everybody's personal experience is just that - personal. I could contest your points one by one, but I'm not really trying to convince you. I couldn't really let that comment go, though.

      Given that I don't think that they work equally well, I would advise potential switchers to find an OS X machine and sit down and see if it does what you want, and if you can live with the differences to XP. As long as OS X stays on this track, I'll never buy another Windows box. I can work faster, longer and more enjoyably on a Mac.

    4. Re:I might switch to mac by killjoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Given that both OS have their quirks, given that they both work just about equally well, Mac OS X is still better because it allows you access to the BSD layer. As an added bonus you also get X-11. In other words you get to run all the Mac software and all the nix software you have come to love.

      Having said that I do think that OS-X is much better then XP. Expose alone is enough to give it the edge over windows. Once tiger comes out it won't even be close.

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    5. Re:I might switch to mac by Hes+Nikke · · Score: 2, Informative

      Someone might want to tell Kensington, Microsoft, Logitech, Wacom, etc that their mice don't work with the Mac. Someone might also want to tell apple to stop selling those mice in their online and retail stores...

      as for the global menubar, you and Paul Fitts should have a little talk.

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    6. Re:I might switch to mac by hattig · · Score: 3, Informative

      Indeed. The only issue is that Apple don't give the option of getting a 2 or 3 button mouse instead of the unimouse that they supply by default with a system.

      At least on the PowerBook you can download the hack that makes the trackpad into a 3 button trackpad with scrollwheel action.

      And yes, the menubar at the top of the screen is the sensible option for a fast interface. As long as the items on the menubar actually extend to the top of the screen, of course, so you can whack the mouse up there and click. Hell, Windows still doesn't extend the taskbar items to the base of the screen for some elements, meaning you still have to aim the mouse pointer. The menubar at the top is something that MacOS and AmigaOS both got correct.

    7. Re:I might switch to mac by dankow · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have yet to find a way to maximize a window with the keyboard.

      I'm not trying to debate any of your points here; just trying to be helpful. If you turn on the keyboard shortcut for Focus on Dock (in the Keyboard and Mouse preference pane), ^F3 (or any shortcut you want) will take you to the Dock, and you can use the arrow keys to select the window that you want to maximize. Then just press Return and there's your window!

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  4. I think mac users are spoiled. by JPriest · · Score: 3, Insightful
    People that own PC's don't like to buy software, so most PC software people use is either cracked shareware or adware.

    People that use Linux don't like to pay for software or deal with adware and shareware, so they have free second rate versions instead.

    People on Macs actually pay for software, so Mac software (of you can afford to keep up) outclasses that of of the competition.

    Apple also makes more software than Microsoft, and OSX comes with more free high quality tools. All that power in an OS and it still comes with a real comand shell. For the small market share Apple has, they seem to be doing a fine job of producing quality software.

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    1. Re:I think mac users are spoiled. by FlipmodePlaya · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I won't touch that second rate comment, I'm sure a hundred zealots will have defiled you by the time I finish this post.

      I think you're wrong about Windows users (who I believe you were referring to) not buying software. They must, looking at the sales figures of popular programs like Photoshop and MS Office, as well as games. For ever script kiddie playing a hacked copy of UT2K4, or whatever, how many do you think bought the real thing?

    2. Re:I think mac users are spoiled. by Pluribus · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Actually, According to this /. article, they are more willing to pay for games than windows users.

      Linux Users More Likely to Pay for Games?

      Some people dont like "A Tale in the Desert" and some people are rabid about it. Personally, I like it. While I look for free or low cost software to do what I need, I will gladly pay for quality software if it suits my needs.

      Having worked on both, I prefer Linux, however, OSX is VERY nice. I have found its software quality to be consistantly higher than the normal tripe out of Redmond.

    3. Re:I think mac users are spoiled. by MBCook · · Score: 5, Interesting
      This is something that I've been thinking about recently. After having to rebuild my PC after a hard drive crash, I realized how little software I actually use on any regular basis. Windows and Office (which I got "free" with my computer) are the only pieces of pay software that I use on any regular basis. I use VMWare some (which I own) and I have AV software and such, but those are all utilities that I don't really USE, they are just THERE. And in many cases (like DiskKeeper) they are only there to fix inadaquices in Windows (sorry, I can't spell ;).

      Other than that, I use IE, and WinZip, and Acrobat Reader, etc. Past that, I use OSS for most of my needs. This includes the Gimp, Cygwin, and such.

      Other than the odd games, there is only one piece of software I remember really WANTING in the last few years. Only one that I was excited about.

      OS X

      In the past few years, I haven't come across any piece of software that I have wanted so much that I couldn't get free. I wanted to program? GCC was great. A good shell on Windows? I've got Cygwin. Etc, etc, etc. OS X just looked so great. Then my brother got a PowerBook, and I've gotten to use OS X once or twice. I want it even MORE now. I already resolved a year or two ago that my next computer would be a Mac so I could get OS X. There are other reasons, but they all pale in comparison to my want for OS X.

      I don't mind paying for software when it's worth it. But so often, it's not worth the asking price. That's why I rent 95% of the videogames that I play. They just aren't worth the $60. Only when I KNOW that I really want the game, that it will be good, will I buy it. The titles that describes more than any other are Nintendo titles. Almost everything else I rent first (if I ever buy it at all). I don't mind paying for software at all, it's only fair that the people who make great stuff get money so they continue to do it.

      The problem is that so little these days seems worth the money people want. The ones I hate the most are things like AV software. Stuff I shouldn't need, but I'm basically forced to buy.

      I want OS X. It's worth it. It's head-and-shoulders above everything else out there.

      I'll pay for software, but it's got to be worth it to me. OS X is so worth it, I'll switch platforms to get it. Now that's good software.

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    4. Re:I think mac users are spoiled. by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 2, Interesting

      People that own PC's don't like to buy software, so most PC software people use is either cracked shareware or adware.
      If you mean most /. users that own PCs, then you're probably right. However, Joe User will buy software. He will buy overpriced software, just because it's what Office Depot carries.

      People on Macs actually pay for software, so Mac software (of you can afford to keep up) outclasses that of of the competition.
      As I don't use a Mac, I can't comment about it outclassing competition (sounds like macwhore zealotry to me) but Mac software definately looks prettier than the competition.

      Apple also makes more software than Microsoft, and OSX comes with more free high quality tools.
      Microsoft makes a crapload of software. I really doubt Apple makes more than them. Maybe better quality, but not more. I like the goodies OSX comes with though. Free IDE == shweet, I wish MS did that.

    5. Re:I think mac users are spoiled. by generic-man · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Get off your high horse. For all the utilities on VersionTracker that cost $20 to register, there are tons of serial numbers floating around on the web. I know plenty of Mac users who feel entitled to use all their software for free -- including Mac OS X itself.

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    6. Re:I think mac users are spoiled. by The+Analog+Kid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      People that use Linux don't like to pay for software or deal with adware and shareware, so they have free second rate versions instead.

      Where is your proof? How can you generalize that all users of Linux are freeloaders? I myself use Linux and I gladly pay for my Slackware CDs even though I can get them free off of an FTP site. I also donate to various project. I'd pay for all my games that I play.

      How is Apache second rate to IIS? Infact, a of a lot of OS X is free software that's been bundled together. Hell, the core of OS X(Darwin) is opened sourced. Apache, Samba, GCC, and other tools and programs are bundled with OS X. So, going by what your saying, OS X must be second rate.

      Don't make generalization about people. It's not nice, and for the most part are not true.

    7. Re:I think mac users are spoiled. by eyeball · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm so glad someone else noticed this. I think in the entire time I used Windows, I don't think I bought one program. I used tons and tons of shareware that I never bothered paying for, and instead shrugged off the nagging splash screen. I mean come on, who actually bought WinZip or WinAmp? Why? None of it seemed worth it.

      Now with OS, not only have I paid for every version and update of OSX since 10.0, but every single piece of shareware is paid for, including some I used for only a few weeks. I've also purchased tons of commercial software.

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    8. Re:I think mac users are spoiled. by mm0mm · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Your comment misleads people to think that economical factor is the only resource that allows software to mature. Is software for Windows buggy because everyone pirates it and don't pay for it? I don't think so. I rather think that Windows has fundamental problems in the OS and the development environment.

      If money is the only issue for programmers to write better software, why not can the company run by the world richest man accomplish it? Considering money as resource, Microsoft is by far the wealthiest and Linux/FOSS development base is the worst. If you think the number of developers as resource, probably Linux or Windows will come on top of the three, leaving Mac behind. Considering talent as resource, probably all three are even. Lastly, if you think management as resource, IMHO Apple comes first, Linux/FOSS the second, and with a large margin, Microsoft comes very last of three.

      It's all my opinion, of course, so you may have a different opinion. And yes, I agree that Apple is doing a fine job for where it is now.

    9. Re:I think mac users are spoiled. by dmaxwell · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I hate to be the smartass to point this out to you but the guts of your perfect OS are based "free second rate stuff" and are even compiled with "free second rate stuff".

    10. Re:I think mac users are spoiled. by JPriest · · Score: 2, Informative

      Counter stike was one of the things on that list! Hardly any of the products in that list are actually made by MS. Just a bunch of books, games, and hardware that relate to their products.

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    11. Re:I think mac users are spoiled. by bigman2003 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Prior to entering into a 'professional career', I did not know anyone who actually purchased Photoshop.

      But, 15 years later, I don't know anyone who steals any software.

      When you make real money, with a real career, you have real expenses. Software is just one of them. But spending $500-$700 is not that big of a deal for a legitimate business.

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  5. New Feature: Spotlight by OneNonly · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd been thinking about this for years - having a "SQL" like file system - and now Mac are in bringing it to the masses! Well, close anyway.. Spotlight uses metadata from all the files on your system to help you easily locate (search) for what you are after, no matter what type of info it is (contact, or PDF, or text file..)

    You can seem from some of the pics on the page shown just how easy it will be to use spotlight. . At the top of every finder window - type the "keywords" and you're there.. Being able to store your "searches" will make this *really* powerful..

    Once Tiger comes out I'm seriously considering moving to a Mac platform.. . I never thought I'd see the day... :'(

    1. Re:New Feature: Spotlight by OneNonly · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I didn't say it was new.. I said it was being brought to the masses :) This is a Good Thing!! And I'd assume (not having used BeOS) that it does it differently (allowing all types of files to be browsed interactively through a real time search..)

      The obvious advantage is that it takes less time to find what you're after - but when hundreds of thousands of users start using this on their desktop, what will be next.. ? Perhaps a move away from straight hyperlinked navigation on the web - perhaps real time searching (as opposed to search engine type searching) for moving around websites may be possible.. ? I would *love* this.. So often I have to drill down through 10 levels of a website to find what I'm after, when a simple Go To: "geforce4 driver linux" or "contact address map" would give me want I wanted straight away...

      More exposure to this sort of facility through something like OS X will only spur on development in other areas.. Bring it on :D

    2. Re:New Feature: Spotlight by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Interesting

      By the way, that's not a coincidence - the guy that wrote BeFS works at Apple now : )

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    3. Re:New Feature: Spotlight by Molz · · Score: 4, Interesting
      It should be interesting at the types of files Apple will have it recognize out of the box. MP3, AAC, MP4, and mov files seem to be the most obvious.

      According to this page the file types it supports out of the box are:

      • Plain text
      • RTF
      • PDF
      • Mail
      • Address Book contacts
      • Microsoft Office Word documents
      • Microsoft Office Excel spreadsheets
      • Keynote presentations
      • Photoshop images
      • Applications
      • Folders/directories
      • Video and audio files:
        • MP3
        • AAC
        • MOV
      • Images:
        • JPEG
        • GIF
        • TIFF
        • PNG
        • EXIF

      Now I would have thought they would include MPEG4 files on that list, but I suspect they will be supported anyway. It's a pretty impressive list of files out of the box I think, and since from all indications, spotlight will be very extensible, I would expect this list to grow very fast as the community starts adding support for favored file types.

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    4. Re:New Feature: Spotlight by SiMac · · Score: 2, Informative

      AAC uses an MP4 container, so it pretty much has to be supported.

    5. Re:New Feature: Spotlight by killjoe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The API is open. You can write your own plug in for spotlight so that it can index your file types.

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  6. Private Browsing looks cool... by The+Lord+of+Chaos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Looks like you can turn on and off a private browsing feature.

    Sure beats creating a second firefox profile and clearing all your privacy info just to go surfing for pr0n...

    1. Re:Private Browsing looks cool... by valmont · · Score: 2, Interesting

      taking your idea one notch further, for pr0n surfing, i've heard from someone else that it's all about fast-user switching.

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  7. Pr0n surfing feature... by netsrek · · Score: 5, Funny

    heh. Apple know pr0n is what everyone really uses the internet for... Private Surfing Mode

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    1. Re:Pr0n surfing feature... by Man+of+E · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But that's different, it clears *all* your history, cache, etc, but sometimes you want to keep most of your history around (because it's useful), just not those "private" moments. It's certainly a good feature, and probably has applications beyond pr0n. I also hope to see a Firefox extension that does this sometime.

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  8. I'm still hoping for a more snappy interface... by Thaidog · · Score: 2, Interesting
    It's true to say that OS X has gottten a lot faster since it first came out... But it's still not as snappy as XP. I own Macs and PCs and you notice the difference the second you jump off your mac after working on it for a while and get on your XP box...


    The Mac is now workable for any type of task... it's *that* fast... but it's still not where XP is.

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    1. Re:I'm still hoping for a more snappy interface... by moberry · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I heard something a while back that adresses the drawing issues between linux, mac, and windows. And looking at the way it is done you can see that in windows items are drawn before processsing, but in mac, and linux more processing is done before any GUI is drawn.

    2. Re:I'm still hoping for a more snappy interface... by BasilBrush · · Score: 2, Insightful
      OSX is way snappier than XP. I have a 3GHz and doing something as trivial as opening a folder in treeview in windows explorer can often have me drumming my fingers for seconds. That very rarely happens on my Mac and that's only running at 800Mhz.

      Yes, OSX used to be slow, but that's not an issue I've had with Panther.

    3. Re:I'm still hoping for a more snappy interface... by jomas1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      " It's true to say that OS X has gottten a lot faster since it first came out... But it's still not as snappy as XP. I own Macs and PCs and you notice the difference the second you jump off your mac after working on it for a while and get on your XP box...
      The Mac is now workable for any type of task... it's *that* fast... but it's still not where XP is."

      I also use XP and OS X on a daily basis and don't find XP to be snappier at all. My XP box is a 2.8 Ghz Dell with 512 MB of RAM while my Mac is an 800 Mhz ibook with 640 MB of RAM.
      If I turn Zone Alarm off, the two computers perform almost identically even though the Dell comp has the Mhz advantage. (I will not run an XP box without spybot and zonealarm. It's always amazing to see what windows apps phone home when you are using them.)

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    4. Re:I'm still hoping for a more snappy interface... by joel8x · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Totally true - I remember getting support calls from users wanting me to "tune up" their systems and if the user was a PITA, I would just change the registry settings for menus to be as fast as possible so that when they clicked on the start menu it would immediately pop up and they would always be impressed.

      The appearance of a faster interface is just that - an appearance. Thats why when you boot XP the desktop will load really fast, but the HDD keeps spinning for a good while after. Same thing with Outlook - it will load the application window way before it finishes connecting to the server(s).

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    5. Re:I'm still hoping for a more snappy interface... by crayz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      XP is snappier in some ways, but it's also easier to totally grind it to a halt. OS X almost never gets to the point of a frozen UI

    6. Re:I'm still hoping for a more snappy interface... by Moridineas · · Score: 4, Informative

      Slow directory listings are usually bad registory settings cauwed by the installation of some annoying program.

      On one of the PCs at work, right clicking on a folder would sometimes take like 20 seconds ot show up--it was insane. I ran regclean, and now it's instantaneous. If XP has a problem, it's cruft in the registry.

      OTOH, you might want to take a look at my other post in this article--among professionals, a signifigant number have stuck with OS9 because osx gui etc and overhead is so much heavier than in os9 that programs like photoshop, illustrator, quark, etc run a lot slower.

    7. Re:I'm still hoping for a more snappy interface... by willy_me · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When launching applications, hard drive speed is the limiting factor. Laptop drives are much slower then those in a desktop. If you want to speed things up just get an external 1394b drive and more memory. Memory is essential because OSX uses a lot of it and more memory prevents VM swapping to the slow laptop drive.

      I have the same Powerbook, and upgrading to 1Gig made a noticeable difference. By the way, Safari is under 2 seconds if it has been cached in memory. Granted it's slower when launched for the first time, but this just shows that initializing the app doesn't take long, it's loading it into memory that is the problem. This is a problem for all computers using 2.5" drives.

    8. Re:I'm still hoping for a more snappy interface... by Moridineas · · Score: 2

      It's an old Microsoft utility--just google for regclean and you'll find it almost immediately. It's been around since the early days of the registry, and has, in my experience, made a huge difference.

    9. Re:I'm still hoping for a more snappy interface... by rmull · · Score: 2, Insightful

      OTOH, you might want to take a look at my other post in this article--among professionals, a signifigant number have stuck with OS9 because osx gui etc and overhead is so much heavier than in os9 that programs like photoshop, illustrator, quark, etc run a lot slower.

      Part of it is GUI overhead, but a lot of it is probably having a proper scheduler, memory protection, and all the other trappings that go with a modern OS. Plus all the apps are made with higher-level libraries that incur more overhead themselves, but lead to better software in the end. I'll bet Win95 would be pretty snappy on my Athlon too.

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    10. Re:I'm still hoping for a more snappy interface... by Moridineas · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's definitely true. I'm using a powerbook right now--the user experience is better imho, but that doesn't make it a better tool necessarily.

      I advocated switching our shop from OS9 -> OSX, and upon meeting resistance started reading forums and the like about it. I'm completely amazed by how the graphics and publsihing community en masse seems to have stuck with OS9 and old versions of software because there simply aren't enough worthwhile gains in productivity.

      I personally can't use os9--i find it completely unusable, but that's not a universally held opinion.

  9. The real juicy stuff isn't in the screenshots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Like 64bit support, and the return of metadata. While Tiger is sure to boast some nice GUI improvements, such as Dashboard, some of its greatest strengths are not visible in pictures.

    Jaguar seemed pretty polished to me, and Panther is simply the bomb. Tiger, I think, is going to be utterly and undeniably HOT. And consider this: It's not coming out for probably almost another year, and MANY more goodies will likely be unveiled in that time.

    Who said Apple was really just a hardware company? I don't think so -- they are a computer company, and that means hardware and software, at least as far as they're concerned. And the synergy is simply amazing.

    1. Re:The real juicy stuff isn't in the screenshots by SilentChris · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Jaguar seemed pretty polished to me, and Panther is simply the bomb. Tiger, I think, is going to be utterly and undeniably HOT."

      Oh God. Can we talk objectively for once? This nonsense of admonishing everything Apple creates on Slashdot is getting a little insane. And this is coming from someone currently typing on an iBook.

      Apple makes very good UIs. They also tends to come out with some hardware hits (iPod) and misses (tie-dye iMac anyone)? They're a corporation like everyone else. They remain silent on security issues, continue to charge an arm and a leg for software updates (10.3, despite what some people felt, wasn't worth $100), and steal from the few developers that actively support the platform.

      The fact that I'm hearing people say "I'd pay $100 just for Dashboard" is absolutely nuts. Look at what you're getting. Think sensibly for once.

    2. Re:The real juicy stuff isn't in the screenshots by moonbender · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Heh, I know where you're coming from. I'm looking to buy a cheap portable notebook, and to my surprise the 12" iBook G4 just seems to be the best route to go. There are only one or two PC 12" notebooks at that price (~1200) and they all suck (poor battery performance, hot, bad keyboard, and so on). Laptops smaller than 12" are very rare and prohibitively expensive.
      There are two issues with the iBook, though: I don't want to go Apple. Not that I don't like Apple, I've actually grown up with LCIIs and Performas and Ambrosia is the greatest shareware game developer of all time. But it's just not what I want for a laptop. Part of that is also that OS X runs quite sluggish on my GF's 14" iBook G3, and I want a system that really flies.
      The other issue is that the iBook is quite heavy for a 12" laptop. It weighs 2.2kg, which although not very heavy for notebook standards, is 200g heavier than the cheapo laptop I mentioned above and 500g heavier than the excellent Samsung X10 laptop with a 14" display.

      My favorite choice right now would be the Asus S5200N, which has gotten extremely favorable reviews all over the place (Tom's Hardware, for one). It's a 12" laptop, single-spindle (which apparently means that it has no internal CD-ROM, which is fine by me) has an okay keyboard, is reasonably fast and weighs only 1.6kg. The only thing wrong with it is the moderate battery performance, which is not a big problem since there are batteries with 2x and 3x the juice available for it. Oh and it costs ~1500, which makes it very cheap for a laptop of its class, but a wee bit more than I hoped to pay, and 300 more than the laptop from a hardware manufacturer considered infamously expensive.

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    3. Re:The real juicy stuff isn't in the screenshots by foidulus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      All macs are capable of running Linux, check out yellowdog or debian, they have mac distros.

  10. Most important "new feature" by radicalskeptic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Those are all great, but to me, I want to know if Tiger has another "new feature": Does it make my computer feel faster?

    Pretty much every previous release of MacOS X has brought speed improvements, and I want to know if Tiger will continue that tradition. Not all of us can afford G5s at the moment, and a speed increase would really make it shelling out another 80 bucks or so (.edu discount) worth it.

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    1. Re:Most important "new feature" by mj_1903 · · Score: 5, Informative
      Yes it will provide more speed increases. Lets take a look at some of the areas:
      • Improved compiler (GCC 3.5) which can create better PPC code, especially for the G5
      • Improved Quartz Extreme. The core image API that was demo'ed included QE enhancements and performance increases.
      • Some of the iApp's such as Mail, Address Book and iCal have seen significant rewrites
      • Improvements to SMB and most networking protocols
      Obviously that is not an exhaustive list, but you can find more info on Apple's website.
    2. Re:Most important "new feature" by mj_1903 · · Score: 2, Informative
      64 bit computing will not bring about faster day to day usage unless you are addressing over 4Gb of RAM. Even then, Panther supports 42bit addressing which is way more than the 8 slots on a G5 can handle.

      Of course, saying this, I can't wait for Apple to make all of Mac OS X 64bit because we may finally be able to address more than 2Gb of RAM with each application, a major sore point for people buying G5's.

  11. new features by dncsky1530 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The most interesting thing is that this is the third Mac OS X release to include more than 150 new features.

    Apple is already anticipating Microsoft will copy them, just check out the Shirts from WWDC!

    Also notice how little features each windows released comes with, even though they are released every 3 years. Well according to MS 'longhorn' will be more stable, of course only if you have 2 gigs of RAM.

    1. Re:new features by Moridineas · · Score: 2, Insightful
      How little features each windows release comes with? I assume you mean how few new features. I have to disagree with this.

      95-98-ME were all fairly incremental installs, though 98 was pretty signifigant over 95. The discussion for these dead operating systems is pretty much over though--unless you want to argue about 4 year old systems.

      NT -> 2K -> XP on the otherhand have all been huge releases--much bigger than any of the OSX releases, though 10.0 -> 10.4 is pretty damn big.

      And also, let's not forget while frequent OS updates are fun for hobbyists to play with, they're a pain for professionals and others who use their computers as a tool and at work. That's one of the biggest bitches about OSX--for the "old school" Mac users--artists, professionals, etc--OSX offers few performance or productivity advantanges. For home computers I think OSX is great, and I'm using a powerbook as I write this message, but let's not go nuts about it.

    2. Re:new features by WasterDave · · Score: 2, Insightful

      2k to XP was big? How'd you figure that?

      Dave

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    3. Re:new features by DCMonkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      On the subject of what a platform's graphics library can do vs. what it actually does/is forced to do in practice, you might find this article interesting.

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    4. Re:new features by vandan · · Score: 2, Informative

      Radical GUI changes? For Christ's sake, they put a stupid red & blue coloured skin on the thing, and we're all supposed to stare in jaw-dropping wonder? GUI changes argument denied.

      Fast-user switching? That's not a really big feature, and MS are playing catch-up with everyone else in this area anyway. You still have to basically log out - it's not like you can open up an app as a different identity or anything useful like that.

      Multi-monitor support? We're really reaching the bottom of the barrel now. Other OSs have also had that for yonks.

      'Various multimedia additions'. Cool. Got to love that 'various additions'.

      A picture viewer? Fuck me if that's not a feature to be raving about.

      Oh yeah. The log-on screen.

      WOW! What a list of improvements. Pitty they didn't make it more stable. Or more secure. Or add some new features.

    5. Re:new features by KH · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not 100% sure OSX has this today? I also believe OS9 didn't have it.


      I was doing expanded desktop on my SE/30 running System 7. It may be that Mac had expanded desktop (meaning that if you connect a second monitor, you get a big connected desktop) has been around at least since the System 6 days.
    6. Re:new features by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, the first Mac that I know of that did this out of the box -- given multiple video cards -- was the Mac II. It shipped with System 4.1 and Finder 5.5 back in, what, 1987?

      It's an OLD feature.

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  12. Very nice screenshots. by JohnFromCanada · · Score: 2

    I haven't used a Mac much but some of the new features that they have been announcing are really interesting. I'm glad to see them continuing to be innovative. I really like the look of Dashboard as I am a big fan of gdesklets and from what I can see it looks very similar. I prefer Linux on my desktop but because of Apples great integration with Java and all these new features the next laptop I buy is definitely shaping up to be a Powerbook.

  13. Re:They said that Linux users are spoiled? by PygmySurfer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's pretty easy to remove applications you don't want. Don't like iPhoto? Drag is from the Applications folder to the Trash.

    Also, it's not like we don't have oodles of disk space now. Just don't open the apps you don't intend to use.

  14. OldER-than-CLI Geezer by nusratt · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bah, CLI?! Why, in MY day all we had were punch-cards. AND WE WERE GLAD to be rid of patch-boards and blinkenlights!

  15. Old CLI Geezer-Toggle Terror. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    " Bah, screenshots. Why, in MY day all we had was a command line. AND WE WERE GLAD!"

    Of course you were glad. Hands got tired of flipping toggle switches.

  16. Re:They said that Linux users are spoiled? by bsartist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I used OSX I'd want a minimual install option

    If you used OS X, you'd know that such an option already exists. Just click on the "advanced install" button and deselect the packages you don't want. Couldn't be simpler.

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  17. It's all pretty common, I think... by grepistan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    >Games on the PC are a different animal, the rate of piracy is much lower.

    I'm not sure about that one. I know a *lot* of people who regularly and methodically pirate all their games for their friends

    I think software piracy across all fields is pretty rampant, to be honest. Although, I have never been spammed with ads for 'cheap' games like I do for applications (you know the ones, "Legitimate Software!" $50 for anything), and the markup for real pirates is probably much higher on apps, so you do certainly have a point.

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  18. automate pr0n by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Private surfing mode is not the only is the great pr0n surfing feature in Tiger. During the keynote, to introduce devs to Automator, the presenter built a script to "download all the pictures over a certain size" from a webpage.

    Heh

    1. Re:automate pr0n by acceleriter · · Score: 5, Funny
      . . . the presenter built a script to "download all the pictures over a certain size" from a webpage.

      Do you mean size in pixels, or does this OS have some mad AI :)?

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  19. Spam? by pyrrhonist · · Score: 3, Funny
    Is eweek advocating spam with this picture?

    Seriously the pipeline goes Address Book --> Mail Merge --> Group Mailer.

    WTF?

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  20. The new hardware is sexy too by Twid · · Score: 5, Informative

    Tiger looked really neat, especially the search/metadata functions, but the most amazing display at WWDC was this:

    Two 30" 2560x1900 widescreen displays being driven by a new custom Nvidia 6800 Ultra

    It looked practical too, there was a demo with Final Cut Pro running with several tools up on the right, and the HD video up on the left. Seemed like a pretty useful setup.

    I checked, and a "nicely equipped" dual monitor dual g5 came up to just under $12,000 on the apple store. Seems like a lot to most of us, but that's chump change for a high-quality HD video editing kit.

    Also, I got about 50fps on Unreal Tournament 2004 running at 2560x1900 with all settings at maximum. :)

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    1. Re:The new hardware is sexy too by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is probably the only thing on this thread that I feel I can comment on without possibly violating my NDA. As an aside, Apple seemed very strict on NDA enforcement this year.

      The 30" dual display setup is quite cool. Corner to corner very bright and even in temprement. Power and contrast ontrols are on the right hand side. If you have a dual monitor set up like this you might think at first that it would be hard to adjust the left monitor, but the screens tilt swivel quite effortlessly which makes the controls easilly accessible. Of course, power is controlled by the G5 and contrast usually doesn't have to be reset all that often so it's not a big deal.

      The bezels are about a half inch so the two together make for an inch between the screens. You probably don't want to have windows straddling the gap, but for a window heavy app like Final Cut or Interface Builder it's not a big deal. The toned down bezel materials draw less attention (which is a good thing for a monitor).

      A full screenshot from just one of these 2560x1600 pixel displays is 5,119,035 bytes. If you take lots of screenshots you might be wary about these 10MB dual monitor files will fill your hard disk (it's saved as a two page PDF file).

      I was trying to find a neat OpenGL effect (screensaver, visualizer, etc) that used both displays. iTunes just ran it's visualizer on the monitor with it's library panel and the screensaver would do a "flurry" or other effect on the two displays independently (two flurries). I did finally find that you could get just an overwhelming image that straddled both monitors if you turned on zoom display image (cmd-opt-+). There was a photo of a little kid on screen under the mouse and activating that caused the photo to get positively huge with each eye on a monitor and the nose straddling the bezels. Very funny and perhaps a little scary (like being inside a dolls house in a giant's nursery).

      The lowest resolution you can crank it down to in the displays panel is 640x480 (each can be set independently). The lowest one I found that didn't leave black edges was 1024x768. That makes the menubar readable from 10 feet away at least. Not that you'd do this often but if you were trying to justify this screen versus a projector for small crowds, that makes a very impressive and visible alternative for small groups.

      Feeling the temperature of the aluminum was mildly warm after it had been on a full day, but it was by no means hot (which is good if you're worried about thermal problems throwing off color after a few years of use).

      Even though Expose is a very neat feature on my machine, after I opened some windows on these displays, activating Expose seemed to barely shrink anything. It just moved a few things around. I'm used to a much more major game of 52 card pickup when I activate Expose on my 15" powerbook monitor.

      On another stand they had the 17" Powerbooks hooked up to the 23" inch displays. I speculated to the Apple rep standing there that they didn't put the 30" display there because the "huge" Powerbook display seems puny next to the 23". He said though that the issues were with the graphics card in the PowerBook that were being worked on. He wouldn't say if that was heat problems or transfer speed (or what), but if PowerBooks can't drive these monitors that'll leave just DVI based machines. (including Windows machines).

      Some things I can't say were related to these displays... There were at least 3 (nda) sessions I attended where I kept thinking mentally. "It's about time. I wonder if the 30" displays made the engineering teams decide to finally add this to Mac OS X". The Mac has always said that they have a well engineered foundation for graphics, but I think making these displays a reality will be a nice impetus for getting some of those ideas out of the realm of theory and into reality as well :-)

      These displays are a great thing that will benefit Mac users even if you don't have a 30" display.

    2. Re:The new hardware is sexy too by jos3000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Some things I can't say were related to these displays... There were at least 3 (nda) sessions I attended where I kept thinking mentally. "It's about time. I wonder if the 30" displays made the engineering teams decide to finally add this to Mac OS X". The Mac has always said that they have a well engineered foundation for graphics, but I think making these displays a reality will be a nice impetus for getting some of those ideas out of the realm of theory and into reality as well :-)



      These displays are a great thing that will benefit Mac users even if you don't have a 30" display.



      I'm guessing that you're talking about resolution independant graphics for GUI elements - Menu bars, buttons, scroll bars... perhaps even icons.



      I'm only guessing this because I was bitching to a coworker yesterday that this is a feature that Windows and Mac OS X should have had from the beginning. If I'm right, it's the start of a new age in GUI technology... And it will allow Apple to use super hi-res displays on their laptops without making the OS look stupid (something Sony and Dell don't seem to mind)

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    3. Re:The new hardware is sexy too by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative
      On another stand they had the 17" Powerbooks hooked up to the 23" inch displays. I speculated to the Apple rep standing there that they didn't put the 30" display there because the "huge" Powerbook display seems puny next to the 23". He said though that the issues were with the graphics card in the PowerBook that were being worked on. He wouldn't say if that was heat problems or transfer speed (or what), but if PowerBooks can't drive these monitors that'll leave just DVI based machines. (including Windows machines).

      The 30" displays require a dual link DVI connection, which is currently only present in the new nVidia card (6800?), to provide enough bandwidth. The current PowerBooks (and PowerMacs) only have single-link DVI connectors. Hopefully the next revision of the PowerBook will contain a card that can drive one of these things (not that I will be able to afford one).

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  21. WWDC version apparently leaked. by acceleriter · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This is probably a fake, and it would be illegal and unethical to download (and for me as a PC user, quite impractical) it

    ed2k://|file|WWDC-MacOS_10.4_Tiger_BETA-DVD.dmg|17 55661594|C8F595F390FE56A073D57D6D84CF21F1|/

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    1. Re:WWDC version apparently leaked. by foidulus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If your pc is fast(and i mean fast!) you could mess around with it in pear pc, though I dunno how stable/responsive it would be...

  22. Re:CALLING ALL APPLE FAGGOTS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My computer got 25% faster between 10.2 and 10.3. That's a service pack?

    Windows 2000 = WinNT 5.0
    Windows XP = WinNT 5.1

    Is that a service pack too?

    Yeah, I know, don't feed the trolls...

  23. Re:Bah! by BasilBrush · · Score: 2, Informative

    September. Aluminium look.

  24. Re:YOU FUCKING FAIL IT! by The+Phantom+Buffalo · · Score: 3, Funny

    Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.

  25. Re:CALLING ALL APPLE FAGGOTS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Correct. An oxymoron is something like "interesting FP" or "quiet flamewar" or "entertaining flamebait"

    Unless they were actually suggesting that all apple users are, in fact, not 'faggots'. Now, I'm no homophobe, but that is definitely not true.

  26. Bah old news, see the live video demo by Klanglor · · Score: 2, Informative

    Bah old news, see the live video demo of the WWDC 04 Keynotere-broadcast!

    note: click on "Watch Now"!

  27. Re:But boy... by acceleriter · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Now, if MS were to offer something similar, you whackos would be screaming for anti-trust violations...

    Maybe that's because Apple hasn't repeatedly abused the trust of its users and its software doesn't call home without the user's knowlege or consent?

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  28. Spotlight by The+Real+Nem · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why is everyone so concerned with searching for files these days? I honestly don't understand why database like file systems are major features of both Mac OS X and Longhorn. I guess it makes sense if you are talking about someone who is computer illiterate, someone who saves their files wherever the default location is and has no concept of file systems. But I don't think I've had to search for more than three files in the past year. That figure might be slightly affected by the fact that searching for files on Windows is quite slow, but if you just organize your files to start with I don't see what the problem is.

    1. Re:Spotlight by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The idea is to make it so that the computer takes care of organizing files for you, so that you don't have to.

      Also, you can make special "views" of files for specific tasks. For example, you can have all the files associated with a certain project in a saved search, when they are actually organized in a different way (say by file type)

      More concrete example: You're working on a video. You have source footage, audio tracks, and images in ~/Movies, ~/Music, and ~/Pictures, respectively. These were created by various co-workers, and not all of them are being used for the current project. Spotlight would let you create views for "show me all the files associated with my project" and "show me all the files created by $this_other_guy", etc.

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    2. Re:Spotlight by Da+Penguin · · Score: 2, Interesting
      > Why is everyone so concerned with searching for files these days? I honestly don't understand why database like file systems are major features of both Mac OS X and Longhorn. I guess it makes sense if you are talking about someone who is computer illiterate, someone who saves their files wherever the default location is and has no concept of file systems.

      Actually, this is one thing I am really looking forward to. I have been downloading a lot of research papers from arXiv, and I now find myself with well over a hundred files all named like 0903118.pdf. Even if I rename and resort by author and title, the key info I want to search for is really in the abstracts. I am creating a perl script to download the abstracts, reorganise the files/directories, and allow me to search, but spotlight seems much more useful.

  29. Re:Get an eMac by bedouin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why would you spend $800 an a 1.25 Ghz (!) machine and even more for 512 MB ram (!!) to do email, internet, documents, etc.? If the "etc" is not too heavy, any second-hand $200 PC or $300 laptop is enough.

    Because OS X doesn't run on x86 laptops from 1998, and that's what he wants to run?

    Nothing wrong with a 1.2ghz G4 by the way, though I hate to get into the whole 'megahertz myth' argument, so maybe next time.

    My dad bought an eMac a few months ago. The extra $200 for a system that runs OS X makes up for the hours I'd have to spend removing spyware, patching, and keeping anti-virus definitions up to date. Not to mention those wonderful moments when nothing but a complete reinstall will do.

  30. 150 new features? by cloudness+is+x · · Score: 2, Funny

    MacNN Forums got it to 53 (with some cross references).
    Can someone complete it?

    01. spotlight
    02. ichat av video
    03. ichat audio
    04. ichat interface like itunes list
    05. safari rss
    06. dashboard
    07. automator
    08. voice over
    09. .mac sync
    10. enhanced unix support
    11. 64 bit os better 64 bit atvantage
    12. xcode 2.0
    13. system prefs stealth mode
    14. firewall logging
    15. block udp traffic
    16. core video
    17. core graphics
    18. new quicktime cocoa
    19. quicktime mpeg4 part 10 the h.264 avc
    20. so metadata you could say
    21. i heard safari is faster 2.0
    22. mail is better with smart thingies
    23. people say over all response is faster
    24. new theme for overall appearance
    25. no debug code
    26. has a min requirirment for core image and video
    27. all the windows integration
    28. Dock menus contain option to remove items.
    29. Help Viewer searches Apple KBase articles.
    30. iChat has support for inline groups.
    31. Support for profile editing in Chat.
    32. Menu in iChat for quickly switching between accounts.
    33. Share devices over the internet with .Mac.
    34. Mail - "Favorites" bar for mail folders.
    35. Extra options in Mail compose window.
    36. Mail - toggle automatic adding of iCal invites.
    37. QuickTime - live resizing.
    38. Safari - navigation in contextual menus.
    39. Safari - copy image addresses from context. menu
    40. Safari - add image to iPhoto by right-clicking
    41. Finder - renaming items in sidebar
    42. Context. menu for items in sidebar.
    43. Setup Assistant - options for transferring files & settings between computers.
    44. Finder - save search results as Smart Folders.
    46. System-wide tabbed interface?
    47. Considerably enhanced Dock?
    48. Virtual workspaces in Exposé?
    46. search in system prefs
    47. new finder search
    48. new system wide search
    49. search is not limited to the apps it's in
    50. search in mail
    51. search in address book
    52. ability to have spotlight intigrated with other apps
    53. Coredata

  31. Hell yeah. by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 4, Interesting
    They mentioned "Smart Folders", a feature that in BeOS was called a Query. You could set up a query, which is basically a search that looks through filenames and attributes (meta-data), and I don't remember if you could search through the file itself, too, but you could save these things as a query, they behaved just like directories, except that their contents would update live based on other events in the file system.

    And that was a very extremely useful feature of BeOS. I'm glad the idea lives on in Tiger.

    Oh yeah, and the under-the-hood shit they mentioned like ACLs is pretty exciting.

    I hope you can access their "smart folders" as directories on the file system. That would make it possible to script all kinds of crazy and weird shit. Hell yeah.

    Oh yeah, and one more thing. Their automator thing looks pretty awesome. Drag a bunch of events from a library of events into the damn thing, set some damn parameters, and you can save that setup if you want... it's kind of like scripting, but without any scripting syntax. Smart... very friggen smart.

    Oooooooooooooooooooooh well.

  32. what about Linda? by microcars · · Score: 4, Funny
    I hope it comes with Video Chat with Linda like in the screenshot.

    Teach Me Tiger!

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  33. when you hire the BeFS designer... by drewness · · Score: 3, Informative

    Apple hired a bunch of Be engineers when the company went out of business and the assets were sold to Palm. And amongst the people they hired is Dominic Giampaolo, designer of the Be File System. Now Mac OS and HFS+ are getting things like journaling and Query like features. It's quite nice. Apple seems to be getting the best of several worlds by buying NeXT and hiring lots of former Be people and Jordan Hubbard from FreeBSD.

  34. HFS and Command-Line Support by HSpirit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Perhaps the most significant improvement is what seems to be the integration (finally) of complete HFS+ file-system functionality into the mainstay command-line apps such as cp, tar, rsync etc:

    Tiger provides a standard, Darwin-level API for managing resource forks, filesystem metadata, security information, properties and other attributes in a consistent, cross-platform manner. For example, common UNIX utilities such as cp, tar and rsync can properly handle HFS+ resource forks.
    It's been a long time coming, but I think finally we have a fully scriptable Mac at all levels of system administration.
  35. Re:what is MSFT charged for service packs? by ITR81 · · Score: 2, Informative
    Do you know what OSX service packs are?? Updates Like going from 10.3.2 to 10.3.3 to 10.3.4. All are free to DL.

    Now Tiger is a upgrade but it's a complete OS. Meaning you don't need anything on the HD to install it. You can install Panther on a formated HD or on top of Jaguar.

    Also since Apple doesn't require a serial any group of folks can buy one copy of Tiger and then just share the copy. My friend just did this and only paid $5.00 for his copy.

    And if your student you can get it from Apple for $69.00

  36. Torrent file here by SensitiveMale · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yeah, it is karma whoring :)

    http://66.90.75.92/suprnova//torrents/2052/tiger .d mg.torrent

    Please, please, please keep the torrent client up after you have downloaded.

  37. Re:title bar by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 2, Informative

    1: The pinstripes have been fading since the introduction of OS X, and are already completely missing in 10.3. (At least in the menu/title bars. There are a couple of places where they still exist, almost subliminally.)

    2: Blue is a standard (and default) highlight color on Macs, since before OS X, and almost all of the places that are shown blue could well be highlighted in those screenshots.

    It really looks almost the same as my current desktop, with the single exception of the reverse-color 'Apple' menu, and squared-off corners on the menubar. (And discounting the new features, of course.) I don't see what you are talking about.

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  38. Re:title bar by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Informative

    The pinstripes are still (barely) visible on the menu bar and not-in-focus title bars in 10.3.4 (using it right now). Just look closer.

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  39. Konfabulator vs. Dashboard by rjung2k · · Score: 3, Informative

    They didn't.

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  40. Re:Yeah right by ashot · · Score: 2, Funny

    Show me a serious gamer. You can't. There aren't any.

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  41. Re:Oooooooo by rk87 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    alright, the moderator who modded this interesting should be shot, hung up by his balls, fucked in every body cavity by 15 black men, 4 horses, and an elephant, then finally defenestrated on a cliffside falling a very steep 3km into shark infested waters. ITS FUNNY, NOT INTERESTING. Sheesh.

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  42. Re:Get an eMac by wheany · · Score: 3, Informative

    Virii is not a word.

  43. number 54 by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Funny

    54. Puzzle!!!

    Finally, games for the Mac!!!

  44. Re:Dashboard by killjoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually Macs are a developers dream. They come with Xcode and a gui builder bundled for free. Xcode is a pretty good IDE and the next version (tiger) will be even better. The interface builder is awsome. They also let you program in java and objective-C. Using pyobjc you can even do python development. On top of all that they provide you with a very rich API that takes care of all the hard work.

    What they have done now is to make it even easier for ordinary people to write little applets.

    If you are kid learning to program I can't think of a better platform for you to learn on.

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  45. Re:Dashboard by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ``Actually Macs are a developers dream.''

    Oh, yes, I very much agree.

    ``What they have done now is to make it even easier for ordinary people to write little applets.''

    Well, what's easier than designing an interface with Interface Builder, and putting in some Objective-C code to tie it together? Certainly not writing HTML and JavaScript...

    ``If you are kid learning to program I can't think of a better platform for you to learn on.''

    Again, same point. Why is HTML+JavaScript _better_ than Interface Builder + Objective C? Last I checked, Cocoa/ObjC was a lot cleaner than DOM/JavaScript.

    As an added benefit, Objective C can use all the system has to offer, rather than some subset of it.

    If you really want to describe your user interfaces in XML (like me), you can always use Renaissance. This makes your apps work on GNUStep, too, meaning they can run on Linux, BSD and even Windows systems.

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    Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
  46. For an Alt-Tab replacement by AnEmbodiedMind · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you want behaviour like windows' Alt-Tab, go to System Preferences, Keyboard and Mouse, Keyboard Shortcuts, and create a short cut for:

    "Focus window (active) or next window" to something. This gives you the iterate through windows, rather then iterate through apps functionality you are probably after.

    I have it set to "Option ~"

    Pretty much like Alt Tab on windows. I use it all the time.

  47. Get your head out of your ass. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...in my opinion, apple would make A LOT more money if they released a PC version of OSX

    No, they wouldn't. It would cost much more than $129 because it wouldn't be subsidized by Apple hardware sales. That would drive all the Wintards to pirate it (actually they'd probably still pirate it if it was only $129), making Apple no money. Apple would also see a huge slowdown in sales of their hardware, which is their major source of revenue. In short, releasing a version of OS X that ran on x86 would kill the company. Were you not paying attention in the mid 90's when Mac clones almost killed Apple? Apparently not.

    OS X will never, never, never run on any hardware that Apple has not produced-- so surrender the fantasy of running OS X on some homebuilt x86 shitbox, or even a Dell. The major selling point of the Mac is the "it just works" factor-- the tight integration between Apple software and Apple hardware. They won't be able to deliver that if they suddenly have to support hundreds of varieties of commodity hardware flying out of factories in East Bumblefuck, Asia. Microsoft has blown through umpteen billion dollars over damn near twenty years in their attempt to do it, and they still haven't got it right. And if you think Dell would offer OS X as a preload option on their machines, think again. Microsoft would revoke their Windows license in a heartbeat and try to put them out of business.

    Apple is a hardware company, period. Their software is just a selling point for their hardware. Look at iTunes and the iTunes Music Store as another example-- iTunes is a free download, and they barely make a profit on the sale of iTMS music. The whole thing is set up to sell iPods, and ideally induce some satisifed iPod buyers to switch to the Mac.

  48. probs booting tiger by acz · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I download the torrent from suprnova.. burned the dmg to DVD-RW and to DVD-R but it won't boot even holding the C key... all the files are readable and the file size is right...


    anyone else have similar problems.. after burning 4 dvd-r using different setting... I kindda got tired of it.