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Requiem For A Motherboard

JimLynch writes "In my last DIY column, I discussed what it was like to build my first system. As time went by, unfortunately, my DIY system wasn't all wine and roses. This column tells the story of how I destroyed my motherboard through a series of ill-planned and stupid actions. It should stand as a shining example of What Not to Do for DIYers everywhere."

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  1. worst article post in a while by XMichael · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This has to be by far one of the worst things i've seen posted on slashdot. Really, the fact that someone even took the time to write this article amazing me.

    How many ways can I destroy a computer... yahh

    Maybe if there were good gory pictures or something

    1. Re:worst article post in a while by nostriluu · · Score: 4, Informative


      I have to agree. I wonder if they'll post a story about me eating a bag of potato chips. Oops, I dropped one! Better get a page or two in about that.

      I've been building my own PCs for the past 20 years. Along with my own, I help friends and have easily build more than 100 systems, plus about as many upgrades. I used to ritually buy a bottle on the way home from the parts store and get smashed while assembling. I've put cards in backwards, splashed solder, forced all kinds of parts the wrong way, worked way past midnight, rarely think about grounding myself, and only ever ruined one thing, a CPU I was trying to rig for a dual setup.

      PC assembly is meant for amateurs, so I don't know how this guy managed to do the damage he did, but maybe his next system should come pre-assembled.

    2. Re:worst article post in a while by Niet3sche · · Score: 3, Insightful
      This has to be by far one of the worst things i've seen posted on slashdot. Really, the fact that someone even took the time to write this article amazing me. How many ways can I destroy a computer... yahh Maybe if there were good gory pictures or something

      In reading this, I thought, "this guy ... is employed? In computers/tech??".

      I understand that we all have our moments ... but this really takes the cake of, "not doing any research before dropping money out of my pocket". You know the saying ... "a fool and his money are soon parted" - well ... (Mother of All) case in point.

  2. imacs don't hold beer.. by joeldg · · Score: 4, Funny

    found out one time that an iMac keyboard can hold exactly one pint of beer...

    at least it had a use for something..

    1. Re:imacs don't hold beer.. by bsartist · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've had good luck with putting keyboards in the top rack of the dishwasher. Just make sure to let them dry *completely* before you try to use them again.

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  3. Summary of article: by nekoniku · · Score: 5, Funny

    "I shouldn'ta broke off the white thingie."

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    "It's a wonderful idea. But it doesn't work." -- Tad Danielewski
  4. Bad times by keybsnbits · · Score: 4, Informative

    I sympathize with this man's problems that have to do with computer temps. It's very hard to get the hot air to flow out, instead of having a mish-mosh of air currents within your case. If fans wouldn't work for him, you could just go the hardcore road of water cooling... none of that "hot air" is involved, although a conventional water cooling system is much more expensive then fans. Its the ever debated balance between $$ and quality.

  5. Let's see... by geeber · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Knocks parts off the motherboard, wasn't grounded, refused to measure fan sizes before buying them. And I am still only halfway through the article. Can be summed up in one sentence:

    Feckin' eejits shouldn't mess around inside the computer!

    1. Re:Let's see... by Halfbaked+Plan · · Score: 4, Informative

      Components aren't necessarily 'fried' by static. More often, mild 'latent static damage' occurs. A few pins on random chips within the circuit suffer partial damage. They become 'leaky' and inputs draw more current. The system slowly deteriorates from random mysterious problems.

      Hot dogs who obsolete everything at six month intervals might not notice this sort of damage. The rest of us would.

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  6. so lame by XMichael · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Geeze, who is the author of this lame article. Should I start writing articles about my trip to the grocery store? I wounder if I could get published, well at least I could get slashdotted...

    *sigh* this articles so lame, it just makes me laugh to hard.

    1. Re:so lame by saintp · · Score: 5, Funny
      You're probably not a big enough fucktard to get published. You'd have to make a really stupid trip to the grocery store.
      "So I went back to the store for the fifth time -- I still didn't have enough limes! Who would have thought that you needed more than one to make a batch of margaritas?

      "On the way back, I accidentally ran over the bag of limes with my car, but figured it probably wouldn't matter. A little gravel never hurt anything, after all.

      "I finally got back to my house, dumped all the limes in the blender, hit on -- nothing happened! I eventually figured out you have to plug it in, or something like that."

      Yeesh.
    2. Re:so lame by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Funny
      > "So I went back to the store for the fifth time -- I still didn't have enough limes! Who would have thought that you needed more than one to make a batch of margaritas?
      >
      > "On the way back, I accidentally ran over the bag of limes with my car, but figured it probably wouldn't matter. A little gravel never hurt anything, after all.
      >
      > "I finally got back to my house, dumped all the limes in the blender, hit on -- nothing happened! I eventually figured out you have to plug it in, or something like that."

      Turns out the power was out from the storms we've had lately. I'd forgotten about that in all the excitement over dumping the limes in the blender.

      So I went to Home Depot and got a portable generator, plugged it into the mains without isolating anything, and *BAM*, nearly killed the lineman fixing the downed wire three houses down the street.

      I offered him a gravelly margarita for his trouble. He seemed annoyed at me. Strange.

  7. Hit Print to read this story by cacheMan · · Score: 3, Informative

    This and many other sites like it offer a Print option that puts the whole story on one page. With the likelyhood that slashdot is going to take this site to task, it would be a good idea to get it all on one page before you start reading. That way, you won't get blue mouse trying to get to page 2.

  8. I'll agree with the poster by Weaselmancer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It should stand as a shining example of What Not to Do for DIYers everywhere.

    You betcha. Here are some gems:

    When I returned, I smelled the distinct odor of something burning. -snip- Just for the heck of it, I checked the temperature of my motherboard with SiSoft Sandra.

    Mistake number 1. If you smell smoke, go for the plug, not Sandra!!

    You knocked off a "white doohickey" and didn't check to see if it was something that was soldered to the board?

    Yeah, that could be a problem. Learn the names of your doohickeys, at least. Then post here - we could use the giggles.

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    Weaselmancer
    rediculous.
  9. Re:Wow by nekoniku · · Score: 5, Funny

    He tot it was da ganja, mon.

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    "It's a wonderful idea. But it doesn't work." -- Tad Danielewski
  10. Boy by Otter · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I'm not sure exactly what killed my motherboard. During the process of taking it out of the old case, I knocked a white doohickey thing clean off the motherboard. It was attached one minute and then it fell off the next. "Oh well, screw it...can't be that important," I thought to myself as I ripped the motherboard out of the old case and started putting it into the new case.

    The first time I built a computer, I figured that if a few of those metal support posts were good, more would be better. That's why they gave me a whole bag, right? I assembled the system and it wouldn't start. I did some troubleshooting, succesfully booted with the board out of the case and eventually solved the problem.

    That's as dumb as I've gotten -- perhaps I should be writing for ExtremeTech instead? I know my first response to trouble isn't to ask in a forum what new heat sink will make me more 1337.

    1. Re:Boy by traveyes · · Score: 5, Funny

      A friend of mine bought an ASUS P4 mb here a few months back. I walked him through installing it in his new fancy case. I thought he understood.

      Well, the next day at work, he's got the mb box under one arm, and an RMA in the other.

      "What happened?"

      "Well, I put the motherboard in the case like you said. I was a little hard getting it in, but I got it in and screwed it down. You were right, it was obvious where the screws went.... But they woudln't screw into anything so I just went ahead and plugged in all the cables like you said, and the power, etc.... But when I turned on the power it made a loud buzzing sound and there was a little smoke."

      "Holy shit." I said.

      He didn't use the little brass posts. The motherboard was flat-out grounded against the case.

      I thought it was common sense.... I was wrong. Some people should stick to playing games.

      .

    2. Re:Boy by silas_moeckel · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ah the reason why programmers should not be allowed near hardware. Thats a general rule. Programmers with degrees in EE can touch hardware otherwise they dont have a clue.

      The other reason is if programmers are allowed near hardware they will start to blame hardware for there issues.

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  11. Thank You. by Psyko · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm so happy that there are so many people out there like this, otherwise a lot of us would have to go out and get real jobs...

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    1. Re:Thank You. by randyest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No doubt. Moreover, during the lulls in fixing that which was broken by morons, we can just keep thinking up dumb "modz" to sell the lunkheads:

      I also love the see-through door. I'll never, ever own a case without one again. I like being able to peek in and check up on my components. I can check what's going on without the bother of having to remove the door.

      Check what's going on?! Not much, unless you are awed by fans spinning and semiconunductors sitting motionless on immobile printer circuit boards. What a stupid thing to say. But then again, I suppose if one is in the habit of ignoring "thingys" that one knocks off of one's mobo, that glass window might show some interesting firewroks.

      Dolt, that author is.

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  12. My guess by daeley · · Score: 4, Funny

    The reason the motherboard started smoldering? The CPU maxed when he tried to load one of that site's webpages. It's impossible to pick out any actual content on that page amongst all the adverts, links, and folderol.

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  13. Re:Wow by karrde · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This whole article was just one painfull (and pitiful) screwup after another. I couln't even bring myself to read the whole thing.

  14. Just take your time by Fiz+Ocelot · · Score: 4, Interesting
    This is just a simple case of someone not having any patience and rushing everything. But to anyone who has never built a pc, it's actually very easy if you take your time and make sure you do things right.

    There are some tips you should know, like installing the cpu and heatsink before the mobo is in the case. And making sure you screw in the mobo with the correct standoffs.

  15. On behalf of many /. ers by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Funny

    let me say this:
    [Nelson voice]
    Ha ha!

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  16. Re:no doubt.. by sTalking_Goat · · Score: 3, Interesting
    when i first started slapping computers together, things were easy enough to do without too much worry... general rule of thumb: if it don't fit, don't force it.

    Agreed. I haven't built a system since an O/C Celeron 2 800 running at 900 Mhz was a kickass system, but in my experience the hardest part was figuring out with components your board supported. Most componenets could ONLY be connected the right way and it was just about impossible to connect things the right way in the wrong place. As my co-workers used to say when I worked at Old Navy: "A partially trained Monkey could do the job, and the customers would probably treat him better"

    Building my first PC was no where near as confusing as the first bike I built, or the Car Engine I hope to rebuild in the future (as soon as I can listen to one of those muscle car guys talk about engines without my eyes glazing over, and parts of my brain BSODing)

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  17. New heights for masochism by mdielmann · · Score: 4, Funny

    Used to be, back in the old days, if you were feeling a little masochistic you'd do a little bit of self-flagellation. Nowadays, you see if you can get a quarter million people to laugh at you all at once.

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  18. Fried memory by Punk+Walrus · · Score: 3, Informative
    I lost a computer once after upgrading memory. I installed another SIMM and upon boot, zzzzzt*BAP! The CPU actually sparked and smoked. Unplugged system. The CPU was coated with some white powder. How the hell could I fry the CPU after a memory upgrade?

    Later, I found that when I had put the memory in, one of the plastic pegs that separated the mobo from the metal case fell off and the half the mobo was touching the metal case. I am not sure which short circuited first, but... game over, man. Lost everything but the hard drives, CD-ROM, and floppy drive.

  19. Re:Wow by Arcanix · · Score: 4, Funny

    After all that I was almost expecting for him to say he then loaded up Far Cry for a couple hours until the smoke started REALLY billowing from the computer. Of course that would become a nuisance so then he'd go in the other room to get some shut eye while Maya rendered a few scenes overnight...

  20. you know by HBI · · Score: 4, Interesting

    i've built dozens of computers since 1987 and have cracked the case on thousands of others, literally. I've never toasted a part but for once, and that was an improperly soldered CPU board on a Compaq Proliant 2500 back in 1996. A surface-mount capacitor just fell off the board. Warranty replacement - the system was brand new.

    Now, i've seen bad boards, particularly in the lower quality side of the Taiwanese parts market back in the late 80s, when if you ordered 10 motherboards you might expect 2 or 3 to fail. Never got any, though. I hear the same thing is true with some of the cheaper SiS based boards today.

    I don't think it's all luck. Quality parts selection and careful handling will take you a long way.

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  21. Re:Wow by sTalking_Goat · · Score: 3, Funny
    He tot it was da ganja, mon.

    Best use for an AMD CPU. EVER.

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    My days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle...

  22. Like most of you, when I need a question answered, by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Funny

    ***Like most of you, when I need a question answered, I usually hop right into the forum. The ET forum is blessed with the presence of many extremely experienced DIY people who almost always have helpful suggestions or at least a definite point of view on DIY issues.
    ***

    welll, it might shock you but if the question is "what's burning??" I DON'T CHECK INTO THE FORUMS as the first thing, I'm kind of old fashioned in the sense that in a case like that I turn off the computer and see wtf is wrong with it..

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  23. Re:Wow by anon*127.0.0.1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually...

    Yeah, he made a series of incredibly boneheaded moves. No big deal there, I think most humans do something like that at least once in their life.

    However, he was smart enough to write an article and make some money off of his mistakes. Hell, he can probably deduct the cost of the dead hardware as a business expense. I never managed that.

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    I am a free number!
  24. This guy is a dumbass. by cpeikert · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow, he knocked a 'white doohickey' off his motherboard, walked around with it while his arm hairs were standing up straight from static electricity, and still expected the thing to work? What a chump. But not nearly as chumpy as someone who would do these things (i.e., me, with my first DIY system):

    1. jammed a DIMM in backwards (this is hard -- the slot is asymmetric to avoid this very thing), turned the machine on, and quickly smelled the sweet smell of burning plastic as the DIMM holder melted, then tried to turn the machine off but forgot that you have to hold the power button down for several seconds, and stinking up the entire house before just pulling the damn plug...

    2. vacuumed the dust out of the inside of the case while the machine was running, accidentally tapping the spinning CPU fan with the tip of the vacuum attachment, and snapping one of the fan blades off, making it spin out of control like a unbalanced centrifuge and making a horrible loud noise...

    3. speculated that random machine crashes were being caused by a poorly-mounted heat sink, so removed the sink and turned the machine on, heard a loud "BEEEEEEP" and no start-up, then put his finger on the exposed die of the CPU to feel what was going on--OHDAMNIT'SHOTHOTHOTHOT, and enjoying the sweet smell of burning fingertip flesh...

    1. Re:This guy is a dumbass. by Jim+Hall · · Score: 4, Funny

      3. speculated that random machine crashes were being caused by a poorly-mounted heat sink, so removed the sink and turned the machine on, heard a loud "BEEEEEEP" and no start-up, then put his finger on the exposed die of the CPU to feel what was going on--OHDAMNIT'SHOTHOTHOTHOT, and enjoying the sweet smell of burning fingertip flesh...

      I'm guilty of that last one, but my excuse is it was my very first computer job. Had a '386-SX40 (8MB memory and 120MB hard drive .... wooooo!) running with the case off, and suddenly wondered ... "I wonder how hot these things are?" Touched it with the tip of my finger - and immediately realized how hot a CPU can get.

      A good way to get a 2nd degree burn on the end of your index finger, BTW. :-)

  25. Re:no doubt.. by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Informative

    This guy wasn't just forcing it, he was handling it in the most slapdash manner possible! And how could he get a heatsink that barely fits the case? Where's all the air going to go?!

    Bah. Here's what I learned about building a machine:

    1. Buy as much as possible from the same retailer. That way when something goes wrong, there's no back and forth on it.

    2. Buy from a store. There are a lot of "cheap" internet sites that will happily sell you unreliable hardware, then become hard to contact afterwards. Swap meets are an especially bad place to purchase new hardware components. With a store, you can walk through the door and strangle the guy behind the counter.

    3. Buy as big of a case as you possibly can. This will allow you a lot of room to work on the inside, as well as good airflow and extra mounts.

    4. Find out what every cable is *before* you plug it in. Also, make sure which direction it goes. Sometimes they need forcing, but only force after you're SURE that it's supposed to fit that way.

    5. Take your time and assemble the components as early as possible. Some things can only be inserted inside the case, but others (such as CPU, fan, and DIMMs) can be assembled outside the case. It also never hurts to leave things like the hard drive unplugged just to make sure your system turns on and functions. Remember, SLOWLY.

    6. Buy quality components. It may look cheaper to buy that AZUZ motherboard instead of the ASUS one, but the difference is tremendous.

    One last tip: don't buy the latest and greatest processor unless you absolutely have a reason to do so. The performance difference between that and the next model down is almost imperceptible due to wait states in the CPU. You're much better off investing your money into more RAM. Less heat, more speed. For gaming, go for the best vid card, though. Unless you like to upgrade, you'll be with it for a long time.

  26. Watch for a next Slashdot story by genka · · Score: 4, Funny

    Submited by GeorgeW.
    In my last radio address I discussed how it was like to rule USA for the first time. As time went by, unfortunately, my country wasn't all wine and roses...

  27. Re:The outlet is the key by micromoog · · Score: 3, Funny

    Clearly you should have used a UPS, then set up a script that detects when the power is killed and starts looping a WAV file of sirens blaring and a robotic voice saying "MAIN POWER FAULT" at 90dB.

  28. Re:no doubt.. by ScottGant · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I built a system off of the Sharky Extreme budget PC components back in November. I loaded up the basic stuff and had a few extra components laying around like a Geforce 4ti and a Soundblaster Live card.

    I only run Linux on it and never even installed Windows at all, everything is fully supported by Linux.

    The only problem I have with it is over heating. I have a nice heatsink/fan sitting on the AMD 2500+ and I'm not overclocking it at all. But still, I have to have the case open and a small table fan pointed right at the motherboard to keep the temperatures down to 44c...otherwise it raises to 55c+ with the side panel on and the two case fans running.

    I've seen the temp jump up to 61c-62c which from what I've heard is either fine to it's too hot. I've heard the gamut of people saying it's not a problem and not worry about it.

    But here's the rub...I run Gentoo Linux, and since I compile everything, I don't want it overheating while in a compile...as an error could easily be compiled into code and be almost impossible to track down a bug....or so I've heard. This has NEVER happened to me. I guess I'm just extra paranoid about the temp.

    Other than my paranoia, everything runs tip-top and is very speedy. First computer I've built from scratch (not to mention the first OS I've built from scratch) and everything is ok. Other than me running the memory as single channel DDR instead of Dual channel for 3 months because I had it in the wrong slots. D'OH!

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  29. What the?! by SQLz · · Score: 4, Funny

    How is the 'Extreme' tech guy just nnow installing his first mobo? I mean, that shit should be a prerequisite to having a writing gig at a site called 'Extreme Tech'. I guess they are so extreme that their people have never built their own machine before.

  30. Damnedest thing I have ever seen. by jwcorder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If this guy works in IT he should be fired. This is a prime example of why I have a job and why I give people too much credit. Doohicky? If you don't know a resistor or a capacitor when you see one, you probably don't need to build your own pc. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

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    1. Re:Damnedest thing I have ever seen. by demonbug · · Score: 5, Insightful
      If you don't know a resistor or a capacitor when you see one, you probably don't need to build your own pc


      That is a load of crap. There is no need whatsoever to know the difference between a capacitor and resistor to put together your own computer. You just plug the pieces in - it doesn't really matter what the things on the MB or any other component are unless you actually have to plug them into something. The fact that I know ecxactly what each chip, resistor, jumper, capacitor, etc. is has never once helped me put together a computer (okay, knowing the jumpers used to help, but now you pretty much never have to touch them, except maybe on hard drives).
      I mean realy, unless you go around knocking pieces off your motherboard, how does it help to know that "that thing is a resistor" and "that thing is a capacitor"? It doesn't. Just be a good monkey and plug tab A into slot B.

  31. No user serviceable parts inside your head by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Your screwdriver license has been revoked.

  32. Meta-bugs upon meta-bugs. by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Insightful
    > Knocks parts off the motherboard, wasn't grounded, refused to measure fan sizes before buying them. And I am still only halfway through the article.

    The meta-bug: Failure to isolate problems one at a time.

    If he'd simply concentrated on what was wrong (bad fan on heatsink), he never would have purchased the new heatsink. He would never have purchased a new case to fit the new heatsink. He would never have had to remove the motherboard and fuck it up by knocking parts off in his failed attempt to put it into the new case. He would never have needed a new motherboard, and he never did need a new case.

    > Can be summed up in one sentence: Feckin' eejits shouldn't mess around inside the computer!

    You have a gift for understatement. Describing this guy as a "feckin' eejit" is akin to describing Valles Marineris as a "ditch".

    Constructive advice: The difference between feckin' eejits and the clued is that the clued try to solve one problem at a time. CPU running insanely-hotter than normal? Solve that problem - and only that problem. After you've solved that problem, then you can think about getting better solutions like a quieter heatsink/fan, a snazzier case, or a new motherboard. Solving one problem at a time means that the "solution" to the first problem doesn't necessarily have to fix anything -- it could be that you wanted to upgrade the old box anyways, so just power off the damn thing and buy your new box.

  33. Re:Long story short by dvdeug · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you don't know what you are doing, then either take it to or buy from someone who does.

    That's no way to learn. You probably shouldn't be missing around on a computer you need for more important stuff, or if you can't afford to burn something out, but otherwise it can be an interesting and educational progress. Much better than sitting on your ass and watching what Hollywood or even Slashdot is feeding you for a few hours.

  34. Re:Wow by shawn(at)fsu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You didn't miss anything, basically this guy just told everybody how foolish he was. If I am getting heat sink/fan for my cpu and it's not an exact copy/replacement I would definitely check to see if it fits. This man doesn't, in fact he doesn't check three times. To further things he gets impatient and either shorts out his board with static electricity or the piece that he refers to as a doohickey was more important that he realized when he knocked it off.
    I have the same board he has, sorry strike that, had and I gone through two fans because of temp getting to high but I allow the BIOS to turn of the PC if things get to hot. Linux can get might pissed off about a hard shutdown but it's better than having to get a new CPU.
    All in all a really dumb story...
    I would like to see a picture of said doohickey to see what it was he broke.

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  35. Re:Jeez. by LabRat007 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've done about the same manhandleing. My first few machines I treated like a first date but once I started getting used equipment it was time to get freaky. Here is a little list...

    1. Wore wool socks and held a cat while inserting a PCI card. Worked fine
    2. Hot swaped video cards until the damn game worked right. I don't recommend this one but nothing broke.
    3. Beat the living shit out of a stuck hard drive. It spun up and worked for a few more months, even if it did look a little odd with all the dents.
    4. Placed a hard drive in the freezer overnight to see if that could get the bastard to spin up again - and it did. Worked for years after.
    5. Stored used components in a frik'n box under other used components. The only ones that havn't worked are the one's with missing resistors.
    6. Once I had a particulary difficult processor intall. The heat sink clip was extremely tight and in a poor location with regard to the power supply (sorry, too lazy to take it out). The screwdriver I was using to push the clip down was just a tad too big. Using all my arm streangh I was un able to get the clip down. Now I was getting pissed off and sweaty and started using my full weight to push down on the screwdriver. I wieght 225 lbs. So, of course the srewdirver sliped and I sent green chips dancing about the inside of the case. I got a smaller screwdriver and had little problem manuvering the clip into place. It POST'd just fine and I still use it to this day as a Halo server.

    That being said I have a brother who can break a component by thinking about it too often. One of those poor bastards that have had more then one power supply go "up in flames" (not I smell something kinda of funny "up in flames" but full on oh-sweet-jesus-do-we-have-a-fire-extinguisher-up-i n-flames).

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  36. Good List by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 3, Funny

    But I prefer shopping at well known internet sites than compusa. The guy behind the counter earning min wage doesn't give a rats ass about your problem. It doesn't do any good to kill him for the corperate policy, and unless you have access to pig farm body disposal is a major headache.

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  37. Dumbest by Apreche · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've been building many a PC in my day. The first one I ever did is still humming away in the other room with my blog running on it. The BX chipset is by far the most reliable and stable motherboard chipset ever made. And the Abit BX6r2.0 is the best board with that chipset.

    Anyway, I've never had a problem putting computers together. The reason for that is lots of research on the internet. Before I get ready to build a box I check everything. I never buy incompatible parts. I don't skimp on cost and risk getting a part by a no-name manufacturer. You don't know how many times I see people with broken hardware from no-names. Pay the extra 30 bucks and get the big name brand stuff. Abit, Asus, Leadtek, Gainward, Creative, Seagate, Corsair, Crucial, etc. If you get a video card from randomtaiwantech and it doesn't work, there's a reason.

    However, me and my roomate did make a big mistake once. The reason was that there was no documentation concerning the issue on the net, and to this day, there still isn't. The first time I built a computer with a Duron isntead of a Pentium it wouldn't boot. I couldn't figure it out. The company I bought the computer from either didn't know. But what they should have noticed on my invoice was that I had a 300W power supply and that I needed more. Eventually after several RMAs I had a 300W power supply that worked somehow magically.

    Later my roomate got a new PC and it had the same trouble. My computer died soon after and we realized something. The power supply is important and 300W isn't enough anymore. Motherboard manufacturers! In the documentation for a motherboard list how big a power supply is needed! You have no idea how long it took us to figure out what was wrong with several completel seperate machines not booting in the same fashion.

    Let this be a lesson.
    1) do research
    2) do more research than is possible
    3) don't be cheap
    4) if you know what you're doing it wont go wrong.

    Needless to say my current box has a huge expensive 450+ Watt Enermax PSU. I will never have THAT problem again.

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  38. Wait, I know this guy.... by TiggertheMad · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was working at ChimpUSA about 7 years ago in the upgrades department. A woman with the 'clueless drone' expression came up and asked for a new cpu and mobo.

    "Would you like us to istall it for you?" (Not an attempt at selling over-priced services, just an attempt to prevent the inevitable.)

    "No, I'll do it myself"

    After the requsite hour she called back and claimed that the mobo didn't work.

    "Did you hook up the power supply? Make sure the CPU was properly seated? Checked the RAM? Plugged in the drives? Proper grounding on backplane screws?"

    She answered yes to each question as I explained each of them to her. After a good 30 minutes of trouble shooting...

    "Oh yeah, when I was putting the motherthingy in, I poped off a brown cylinder with my screwdriver. is that important?"

    "Hmmm, yeah, capaciters can be important. They probably didn't put it on the board to look cute."

    And that is how I know the guy. I sold a mobo to his mother. "...

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  39. Re:no doubt.. by Sweetshark · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So while gcc is compiling firefox and it "flips a bit", that could compile an error into the firefox code, correct?
    Firefox wouldnt matter too much - a bug in glibc would be annoying. But most of the time the compile simply fails - if you compiles fail on different source code lines (inreproducable) you can be pretty sure it is a hardware problem (overheating or bad RAM).
    Which is why I've heard many times not to be overclocking while your compiling anything.
    Thats a good advice. My current system ran at 85C when first assembled (And mainboard, CPU and cooler came as a bundle). Starting a compile locked the system. My brothers system even failed trying to install Windows XP because of lockups. Checking the CPU temperature in the BIOS we saw a temperature of 120C (on my system because of the compile, on my brothers system even when idle.). We decidered there just wasnt enough pressure from the Cooler (Arctic Copper Silent Pro) on the CPU - so we manufactured two thin copper plates of about 0.8 mm width and did put it between the mounting piece and the cooler. We now needed much more force to press the cooler onto the CPU, but both systems now run stable on 50C.
    So:
    Dont trust manufacturers. Even good ones. If something seems weird (like cooler that could be pressed onto the CPU ,,somehow to easy'') doublecheck and correct!

  40. Switch? by why-is-it · · Score: 4, Funny

    One night, I was upgrading my PC, when all of a sudden it went berserk. The screen started flashing and it was like beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.

    And then, like half my motherboard was gone. And I was, like, Nnng?. It was a really good motherboard too. And then I had to do it again and I had to do it fast and so it wasn't as good. It was kind of a bummer..

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  41. Zen, Motorcycles and You. by OgGreeb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A screw sticks, for example, on a side cover assembly. You check the manual to see if there might be any special cause for this screw to come off so hard, but all it says is "Remove side cover plate" in that wonderful terse technical style that never tells you what you want to know. There's no earlier procedure left undone that might cause the cover screws to stick.

    If you're experienced you'd probably apply a penetrating liquid and an impact driver at this point. But suppose you're inexperienced and you attach a self-locking plier wrench to the shank of your screwdriver and really twist it hard, a procedure you've had success with in the past, but which this time succeeds only in tearing the slot of the screw.

    Your mind was already thinking ahead to what you would do when the cover plate was off, and so it takes a little time to realize that this irritating minor annoyance of a torn screw slot isn't just irritating and minor. You're stuck. Stopped. Terminated. It's absolutely stopped you from fixing the motorcycle.

    This isn't a rare scene in science or technology. This is the commonest scene of all. Just plain stuck. In traditional maintenance this is the worst of all moments, so bad that you have avoided even thinking about it before you come to it.

    The book's no good to you now. Neither is scientific reason. You don't need any scientific experiments to find out what's wrong. It's obvious what's wrong. What you need is an hypothesis for how you're going to get that slotless screw out of there and scientific method doesn't provide any of these hypotheses. It operates only after they're around.

    This is the zero moment of consciousness. Stuck. No answer. Honked. Kaput. It's a miserable experience emotionally. You're losing time. You're incompetent. You don't know what you're doing. You should be ashamed of yourself. You should take the machine to a real mechanic who knows how to figure these things out.


    From "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" by Robert Pirsig. (Chapter 24)

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  42. Finger Tatooing.... by Grog6 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...I once had "LM7805" branded backwards on my fingertip, by seeing 'What is hot in here?" ..But that wasn't nearly as bad as the other tech who ran his finger across the inkjet printer head while it was printing. (They design them so you can't do that anymore)( without major effort)

    The ink almost made him have to have his finger amputated; It is very toxic, injected under the skin like that.

    You could clearly read "The quick brow" backwards, fairly distorted, across the tip of his index finger, afew days later, after all the swelling went down.

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  43. Fixing your cooling problem... by deacon · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Your problem is probably due to not having enough inlet and outlet area on your case.

    Unfortunately, a lot of cases have decorative plastic front bezels that don't let air thru, even though they seem to have a grill in the front.

    On all my cases, I use a 7" diameter AC fan on the front. I cut a hole thru the plastic bezel, thru the sheetmetal, and mount a 240 volt AC 7" (6.75") diameter fan on the front, blowing in so as not to fight with the power supply fan.

    Using a 240 volt fan on a 120 volt system makes it run slow so it is not noisy. You could also use a 120 volt fan and a speed control suitable for inductive loads ( a light dimmer usually isn't). The ideal is to use a 200 volt fan made for the Japanese market (where the voltage is 100 or 200 volts, vs the 120/240 in the USA) but these are a little hard to find.

    You absolutely need to have outlet area to dump the hot air, and I try to put my cards in every other pci slot, and leave out the blanks covering the slots in between. In this way you make a card cage like in the mainframes, where air used to flow between every board.

    The fans are cheap on the surplus market, if you check the ads in Nuts and Volts magazine, you will find lots of surplus places listed. If you get a used fan and it has noisy bearings, you can pull them, read the part numbers, and order replacements for them from a bearing place like E. B. Atmus.

    Once you make the proper holes in your case and put in a big fan, you should get lower temps than you do with the cover off.

    If you want to be less extreme you can use smaller 12 volt fans, just make sure you cut the holes to let air in and out.

    Here are some cheap fans at marlin p jones. The 24 volt fans may not run at all on 12 volts, unfortunately, but the 12 volt ones should run on the 7 volts you get between +12V and +5V on your power supply.

    Good luck!

  44. Re:no doubt.. by WuphonsReach · · Score: 3, Informative

    But I've seen everything from "60c isn't bad" to "60c is one step below the entire computer bursting into flames".

    Different CPUs are capable of different temperatures. (case in point: Intell Prescott chips being derided as "Pres*hot*" chips)

    Internal case temp should be in the 30-45C range (assuming ambient air temp of around 25C). My AMD cases are running 41-46C at the moment, but the A/C is off and the ambient temp in here is 31C. CPU temps are generally in the 50s, depending on the case temp and the particular chip. I only use AMD, but I get nervous when the chip hits the high 50s. At which point, I investigate larger heatsinks or higher cfm fans.

    Only solutions for lowering internal case temps are either:

    - Remove heat-generating components

    - Get components that produce less heat (5400rpm drives instead of 7200rpm drives, older video cards instead of the dual-heater top-of-the-line beast, use an older and cooler CPU)

    - Adjust/add fans to move more air through the case per minute (air flow). Make sure the exhaust fans are properly oriented so that air flows through the case as designed.

    - Simply buy a larger case so that the heat producing components are farther away from each other (Antec Sonata / p160 or a full-tower case)

    - If the video card has a fan on it, make sure there is at least one empty slot between it and the closest PCI card

    - 7200+ rpm drives generally require active cooling (Antec p160/Sonata cases have drive bays with a dedicated 120mm fan slot). Putting a 7200rpm drive in an external USB/firewire enclosure that doesn't have a fan is a good way to kill the drive (been there, done that, now only use 5400rpm drives in those enclosures).

    I tend to be conservative with my cooling advice because my office has poor climate control. Like I said, it's 31C in here at the moment, which is warm enough to be uncomfortable even in shorts and a t-shirt. However, all of my machines work just fine since that they're in good cases with good airflow.

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  45. The article HAS to be a joke by The+Meshback · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've never been to ExtremeTech.com, but I would guess by the name of the site and the writer's completely ridiculous mistakes, that this article has to be a joke. I could understand if this was some random blog, but this article is coming from a site that seems to be about upgrades/mods/etc. Did they decide to get the mailroom guy to build a PC? It just doesn't make much sense.

    As quite a few other posters have pointed out their tips for building a new system, all I really want to add in is RTFM. I'm not saying you have to read the entire thing, but everytime I've built a new system, that's my method. Open the box, ogle the motherboard, then take 5 minutes to look over the manual--that way you at least know the random jumpers on the board. And it gives you a moment to step back from it and calm down--at least for me. If I'm about to be building a new PC, I'm raring to go. I think the key to building a system is to SLOW DOWN! Think before you ram that $300 CPU in the wrong way and bend all the pins.

    That's just my advice.

    1. Re:The article HAS to be a joke by JimLynch · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually I'm the Community Manager over at ET. I manage the ET forum. Unlike Loyd, Dave or Jason, I'm not a hardware guru. I write software reviews and opinion pieces. So DIY is new to me but I'm learning fast and having a hell of a time along the way, as you can tell from the column. ;-) Please do drop by the forum and say hello sometime.

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