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Video and Software Downloads Overtaking Music
Trigun writes "The Seattle Post-Intelligencer is reporting that movie and software downloads have outpaced music downloads. Music accounted for 48.6 percent of files shared online, compared with 62.5 percent in 2002, according to a report by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. The article says that 1 in 4 internet users have downloaded at least one movie, and attributes the proliferation to access to broadband. Maybe we've just downloaded all the good music already?"
Sigs cause cancer.
They probably calculated it by megabytes.
its faster and easier for me to DL a movie off of IRC than to haul my ass to the movie theatre, stand in line, and sit cramped in a shitty chair with no elbow room next to some annoying little kids. i just dl from irc, burn on a cdrw (vcd/svcd) pop it in the vcd player and watch it.
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That way we can have more restrictive legislation.
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Keep coming out with music so shitty noone wants to download it! And its working already!
On a serious note- do they separate legal from illegal downloads? Lots of movies/software is legal to download.
I still have more fans than freaks. WTF is wrong with you people?
Sure if you include Quicktime trailers, and short films. But I seriously doubt 1 in 4 have downloaded a feature film... cause guess what, no where near 1 in 4 users has broadband
Pr0n baby pr0n. It's much better than pr0ngroove mp3's.
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Just another round of MP/RI-AA trying to make the money they're used to. Trying to push for government regulation, infringing on our rights as citizens.
All empires crumble, why won't they accept it?
Are they counting by size of file? Or maybe they are including all the .r00, .r01, .r02 files as SEPERATE files, but I don't see this as completely right.
Great. I'm sure RIAA will see this as vindication of their sue the customer policies. "See, they've moved on to other media since we started..."
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As a matter of fact, I am a lawyer. But I play an actor on TV.
What the RIAA is doing is having a chilling effect on online music trading, like it or not. I don't think the MPAA will have any recourse but to pursue the same tactics, but with much larger penalties.
It would be nice to see the full stats, though, to see if music has plateaued (as would be expected) while movies climb as broadband proliferates.
br. -Adam
A separate global study published Thursday by the Motion Pictures Association found that about one in four Internet users had already downloaded a movie. Most said they would pirate more if they took less time to download.
The problem is right there.
*sigh* So, one in four internet users worldwide have downloaded movies online.
oh wait, no it was only in Eight Countires...
oh, and only broadband users were polled.
ooh! and I almost forgot, of those that answered, one in four said they had downloaded at least one (YES, ONE) movie...
nothing to see here... just FUD and paranoia...
From the article:
Well, isn't that a defining feature of file swaps? Swapping copyrighted files (as opposed to just downloading them, which can be legal or illegal) has always been illegal.
In my opinion, if CD sales are in fact down (hard to tell), it's due to the lack of good music rather than file sharing. I don't buy CDs anymore, but that's not because I can download everything. It's because everything out now sucks. Like the post said, maybe we have all the good music already... If the record companies spent their money making really good music like they used to, rather than their new tactic of suing their customers, I'm sure CD sales would go back up.
A Full Feature Movie is around .. let's say .. ~500 megs. (yes, it can be bigger and smaller.)
.. hmm .. ~5 megs. (again, variance possible.)
A full length song is around
That means, everytime a Movie is downloaded, the equivalent of 100 songs would be required to make up for that bandwidth usage.
So, basically, I'm saying per copyright violation (or not sometimes), that music is far more highly pirated.
"...no where near 1 in 4 users has broadband."
Broadband market penetration in the U.S. is over 40%.
Is music swapping down by actual volume, or just by percentage? That is, are people swapping less music, or did video/software swapping just grow faster than music swapping did?
If music swapping is actually down, could it be because there are viable legit music download services now? I know I've bought multiple albums from both iTMS and Audi Lunchbox myself...
fansub Anime! Find a good one like Naruto and Full Metal Alchemist (although FMA recently got licensed) and you're set.
Better than the Primetime crap that comes on broadcast tv...
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Video accounted for 27 percent, up from 25.2 percent, the study will say.
So, movie downloads didn't really increase much.
The OECD report does not give separate numbers for pirated downloads and those that do not infringe copyright
I'm not even going to start on this one.
The biggest growth in downloading last year was in "other files" - neither music nor film - which almost doubled their share to about a quarter of all downloads. The category includes software and pornography, but the report gives no breakdown between the two.
Basically, they're saying they have a lot of data and it seems to indicate something, but they can't really say what, so they just threw out some numbers. Nice work, OECD.
With all of the various companies/qualities/methods to connect, I really wonder about the quality of such a survey. I would seem to me that these numbers seem rediculous. When I think of all the non-nerd (non-broadband) people I know, I don't think one of them has ever downloaded a movie.
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Personally, I think it all can be attributed to a visible decline in society's moral standards. When music first became availible online, most people did not hesitate to download it because for the most part, it is guilt and worry free. Until there is some sort of legal safeguard put in place that will cause people to think about voliating copyrights, the numbers of people downloading will continue to rise. In real life, people will think twice before stealing from a store because there is a known punishment for being caught (and even this is happening more). Fileswapping doesn't have such rigid rules and regulations, or at least it's hard to enforce them online. Not to mention that industries trying to enforce them currently are going about the wrong way in the first place. Think about it though, my sister who is middle school is downloading movies. I think that it shows either lack of education about what can/cannot be done online legally, or simply not caring about those laws either way.
Maybe I am not in the know, but I don't know a single person that has downloaded a movie. And considering the majority of Americans have dialup, I find this hard to believe. (I can't say about other countries, but I suspect for most countries that holds true.) It would take a long time on dialup to download a movie. It just does not make sense.
I wonder if they're measuring traffic from Debian's apt mirrors, RedHat's up2date, Gentoo's emerge... I know that just between the 4 Debian systems I run there can be anywhere from 100-300 megabytes of updates per week. Granted, one is stable, two are testing and one is unstable. But still, I can't think of a week that I've *ever* downloaded 300 megs of music. Most software packages are much, much larger than even an entire album, so this doesn't surprise me at all.
At least the war on the environment is going well
Cams are hit and miss. Theres at least one cam (telesync actually) floating around out there of Spiderman 2 that is VERY good quality. No jitter, no people standing up, etc. Its awesome. I also found a cam of The Girl Next Door that was really really good. Cept theres a part where the cam gets bumped and the picture is tilted for a few seconds while the guy fixes it :P. But thats what you get for fast and free.
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There are a lot of really shitass cams out there too though. Like I said, its hit and miss. I find cams are most useful for those movies that i'm kind of interested in, but don't feel like blowing $20 to go see in the theatres. If its a really good movie, then yeah, I might go see it with some friends or something. If it sucks, all i've wasted is two hours and some bandwidth.
I'm sure Porn accounts for atleast half of the video downloads on the Internet. Or maybe 75%? Who knows.
I do know that it accounts for about 90% of my video downloads.
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Bit Torrent was in general developed to ease p2p sharing of legit material.Request your free CD of my piano music.
No doubt some high profile ridiculous case will be discovered of a student with a trillion dollars in film copies in his/her bedroom causing the entire movie industry to fail. We've seen it before in music and we'll no doubt see the same arguments and PR tactics mobilised again to get legislation passed to *save* the industry.
It is depressing but it seems to work everytime. I only hope that people start to wake up and take a stand before its too late and the corporations have it all locked down exactly how they want it...
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my MOTHER got me started on downloading movies, she said "o is that new denzel washington movie, ya the the man on fire one out yet?" and i said no. so then she said "well i one of my friends said there kids are downloading movies, you have whatchamacallit broadband couldnt you do that" she pestered me untill i burned her a vcd. good job mom. set an example, on how to GET ME IN JAIL!
So I guess there must be a correlation between amount of downloads and the record takings at the box office recently? Quick, let's make Hollywood some more money!
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It's just a matter of time that DVD capacities will reach the stratosphere, far more space than required by a movie. Therefore why not be able to buy a massive assortment of music all written on the same disk when you go to buy a movie? The store would have a computer where you select a movie or two as well as humungous music collection. You simply select what you want and a disk is created while you wait or for later pick up.
You save all the time you need to wait for downloading. You are assured of the quality. What more can you ask for?
When you consider all the box office records being smashed there's always going to be people buying movies. When they can also just pick up a few songs for a song, no one can lose.
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I wouldn't doubt that there is illegal uploading/downloading going on, but I'd have a hard time trust any of the **AAs as unbiased sources...
While the SPI has a good reputation (I think) I can help but wonder if this article might have something to do with a little software company in Washington who has a deep and abiding interest in software- and hardware-based DRM schemes. Hyping the threat to companies from "software terrorists" is a prerequisite for the kind of digital rights infringement that Microsoft and other want to sell the public and content providers.
This doesn't mean that copying isn't happening, just that someone nearby has an incentive to make the problem appear larger than it is.
Yes, there is an extremely nice (not noticeably different from a dvd, except for faded colors) rip of Spider-Man 2 going around. *cough*friend got it*cough*.
What's more interesting to me is the fact that thousands of people have grabbed this file from BitTorrent sites like this one that require a registration, valid email et all to join. They literally signed up, and had their IP addy registered into a database of 'trusted ips', so that they could download Spider-Man 2. Simply Astonishing. I've seen 4 or 5 of these sites that appear to be using the same code, it wouldn't take the MPAA more than 30 seconds to start another one and start nabbing people IN THE ACT. Not to mention the fact that all the connected IP Addresses are visible from the tracker page..
At least the war on the environment is going well
Broadband definitely makes it easier to download large amounts of data... but when I recall my own history, I was downloading a heluvalot more music in the days when 56 kbps modems first appeared. Back then it was an exploration of all the good music that's out there and that I had never heard before. Suddenly it all became available, waiting only 15 minutes or so for a download. For years I have felt that I have all the 'classics' in my private MP3 collection, and I don't often seek new music. When it comes to mainstream pop I certainly have 'heard it all before' and crave nothing.
So if "the industry" doesn't produce any new music that is worth craving, people don't download or buy it.
And many of these people likely still paid to see the movie in the theater at least once.
"You spoony bard!" -Tellah
It's not illegal to download a file, or swap it amongst people. It's only illegal if you don't have permission to do it..
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What I don't understand about all of this is how all these piracy apologists here justify downloading by claiming "it's ok because it is open source". It is immoral to copy someone else's work and this tecnical programmer's babble of "proprietary vs free" software is just bunk. When you download Linux you hurt the economy by taking money from Microsoft. When you download the Gimp you hurt Adobe. I'm sick of all these people who think that just because they can write programs they have the right to drive these US Industry Leaders out of business. As I learned in copyright school, downloading is just wrong.
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I have a seriously difficult time believing the numbers generated by the OECD on the subject of western young people's downloading pop music and comic book movies.
These people are serious stuffed shirt economists. I don't think that they have the methodogy or the skills to track the semi-legit world of P2P and the various secretive subcultures asssociated with warez and big time file sharing. I suspect that they are simply repeating highly questionable numbers obtained from dubious sources that have clear political agendas (the RIAA, anyone?)
You wouldn't smoke pot from any of these guys in the OCED, why trust their analysis of P2P usage? I suspect that this is just another example of economists getting bad data from journalists who got numbers from secret sources (the RIAA) who just pulled them out of their ass to get laws passed to make themselves rich.
The OCED should stick to what they do best and tracking the P2P/warez underground is not it.
One of our local theaters has a playroom for just that reason. Now, *I* wouldn't leave my kid with some strangers, but they *do* offer the service.
jred
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He didn't *Have* to, but I can understand where he is coming from. As an Australian, I have *no way* of getting the Pixies latest song, other than by illegal downloading. While I haven't done so, there is hardly any reason for me not to now, is there?