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Tour De France Showcases Multitude Of Tech

whoda writes "When you think of a bicycle, you most likely think of 2 tires, a chain, some gearing of some sort, and other assorted mechanical bits. However, when Lance Armstrong, Jan Ullrich, and over 180 other riders get together to compete at the Tour de France every year, there is a lot of technology that comes along for the ride too. From Lance's Sunglass'/MP3 Player to the advanced use of composites seen on Tyler Hamilton's time trial bike, there are many examples of high technology making the racers faster through better training, materials and aerodynamics."

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  1. Hmmm by OverlordQ · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sunglasses with MP3 playback built in? I'd hate to see what this guy comes up with.

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    1. Re:Hmmm by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sunglasses with MP3 playback built in

      I hope Jan Ullrich's cousin Lars doesn't find out about this. He'll be PISSED.

  2. Re:Too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    "You have to be a one-nutted freak to win."

    I'm assuming that you probably have both... And I'll also assume that his one-nutted ass could also kick your ass.

  3. The ultimate in technology and bikes... by g00bd0g · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The HPV world speed championships!

    http://www.recumbents.com/whpsc2004.htm

    Too bad there's not enough interest to really get some money into the development of these things.

    Check out my website...

    1. Re:The ultimate in technology and bikes... by g00bd0g · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not about hill-climbing dumb-ass. The top speed and hour records for faired HPV's are 81 mph and 52 miles in an hour respectively. Uprights are no competetion in these categories. Yes uprights are better for hill climbing. Your point? Should Top Fuel dragsters be used for F1 racing? No, every vehicle has it's place and closed minded bigots like you only serve to stifle innovation.

    2. Re:The ultimate in technology and bikes... by John+Whitley · · Score: 2, Interesting

      'bents can be fairly awesome in a number of regards. Not to mention that there are some fantastic recumbent touring bikes. 'bents have a wide spectrum of designs, all with a different balance of strengths and weaknesses than traditional diamond frame bikes. But the problem of "interest" is nonexistant. The problem is that the rather conservative international governing body of cycling (apologies, it's fallen out of my acronym cache -- UCI, maybe?) long ago prohibited the use of recumbents when the first low-racer caused a decidedly middle-grade rider to whomp the competition.

      As many sports governing bodies, they must walk the often rather arbitrary line between allowing new technologies and keeping the competition between the athletes instead of between athletes' gear.

      As an example of the reverse case, long-track ice skating allowed the introduction of the front-hinged "clap skates" in the 90's (versus older fixed-frame skates). These skates are much more efficient from a biomechanical standpoint. Enough so that every long-track record was broken and re-broken in short order as skaters embraced and trained to the new tecnology. There was some regulatory turmoil at their initial introduction, but only because the new skates weren't available to all skaters who wanted them.

      On one hand, as the sports technology has changed, it has become impossible to make meaningful comparisons between today's athletes and those athletes who set records years ago. On the other hand, technological advances have so radically altered athletic training that it's still impossible to "compare" modern athletes with those of yesteryear. How good would one of the great Olympians from the 1950's have been if they'd trained using modern techniques and tools?

  4. Bio tech too! by darth_MALL · · Score: 3, Insightful
  5. Re:Has Lance started trying yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The part that connects the cranks together is called the bottom bracket. Its a cylindrical piece which screws into the bottom of the frame (junction of the down tube, seat tube, and chainstays) which contains an axle that the crank arms friction fit to.

    Its also a mother to put in correctly ;)

  6. Tyler Hamilton's Homepage by mlmitton · · Score: 5, Informative

    Tyler Hamilton has a website too. I don't know why his wasn't included along with Armstrong's and Ullrich's. Personally, Tyler is my pick for the winner of the TDF this year. Riding with a broken collarbone last year (finishing 4th, and winning a stage!), and riding with a broken shoulder blade in the Tour of Italy the year before (finishing 2nd!), he has more tenacity than even Lance. And this year, Tyler has the form. Watch out Lance!

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    1. Re:Tyler Hamilton's Homepage by FlashBac · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I doubt Tyler will take it this year. Heras might kill them on the Mtn TT, and Ulrich might kill them on the "final" TT day, ie not the roll into Paris. These are the two crux days. It will probably revolve around these two days. Some are worried about the central Massiff, Lance et alia didnt prep there, Tyler did. But, Lances team can control this I feel.
      I would say essentially three guys will be in the running going into the final TT. And, I dont think Tyler is there, it will be Lance, Heras and Ullrich.
      Not to say Tyler hasnt got balls. He has plenty, but, its that last TT that will not be good for him, compared to say Ullrich, or Lance. :)

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    2. Re:Tyler Hamilton's Homepage by carambola5 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Tenacity... yes. More than Lance? I really doubt it.

      -Brain Surgery
      -Testicular Surgery
      -Lungs full of tumors
      -Grosjean catheter
      -One round of BEP chemotherapy
      -Three rounds of VIP chemotherapy

      And after all that, he wins 5 TDFs in a row. I think that qualifies as tenacity.

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  7. Spoilers by powerpuffgirls · · Score: 2, Funny

    They're not fast enough until you see spoilers fitted at the back of the bicycles!

    1. Re:Spoilers by oostevo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, not kmh (obviously). I've done over 70 (mph ... obviously) going down a hill. You actually don't need a spoiler for going those speeds - the faster you go on a bicycle, the more stable it gets, even to the point where it gets hard to turn at speeds of 60-70mph. Hey ... motorcycle racers don't use spoilers, and they can go twice as fast.

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  8. Wind tunnels & race numbers by lothar97 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Lance et al have spent a lot of time in wind tunnels reducing drag (see Trek). I watched a bunch of the Lance Chronicles on OLN. One significant source of drag they discovered- the race numbers on their backs. All riders have their number attached to their jersey on their lower back, on both sides (as seen here). They found that the number caused significant drag, and they were quite unhappy that there was no way to design a sharkskin suit or the like to include the number. Technology taken down by paper!

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    1. Re:Wind tunnels & race numbers by Short+Circuit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wouldn't fitting the paper under a tight clear-plastic vest do the trick?

    2. Re:Wind tunnels & race numbers by brer_rabbit · · Score: 3, Informative
      Wouldn't fitting the paper under a tight clear-plastic vest do the trick?

      I'd have to assume, "if they could of, they would of." The Tour rules probably state the race number must be fixed to your back. Here's an excerpt from the Tour website:

      Article 2 - Riders' identification Riders must affix the number plates to the front of their bicycle frames and wear two riders' numbers (small format) exactly over their hips, one on the right and one on the left side.
    3. Re:Wind tunnels & race numbers by GeckoX · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Interestingly enough as well is the fact that there is a limit in the rules as to the minimum allowable weight of a bicycle. There are lighter bikes that have been proven to be faster that cannot be ridden in this race.

      Haven't been able to decide how I feel about this yet...actually I wish it was one way or the other:

      a) riders can use _any_ man powered 2 wheeled vehicle of whatever design they want...

      OR

      b) ALL riders ride the exact same bike.

      Either technology is a factor, or it isn't. I think it's the middle ground stance that annoys me.

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    4. Re:Wind tunnels & race numbers by haystor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The fact that there is a minimum weight adds to the safety of the event.

      You really don't want them building bikes that just barely make it through the days race. But if they have an extra half pound or so to work with and they can do whatever they want, it can go into reinforcments that *might* but probably won't be necessary.

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  9. Hah. by manseman · · Score: 3, Funny

    So, this proves that anyone using the latest cool tech stuff is just trying to make up for something missing in their pants. One day I'll throw out this type-writer and get a computer.

  10. It gets a little overboard too by slutdot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know we're talking about the TDF and those guys are on a different plane of existence here but there's something I've got to say about some non-pro cyclists out there.

    While I agree that the use of technology is important in cycling, there's only so much one can do without having to rely on natural talent and training. Spending $180 for a 13 cm piece of metal in order to save 50 grams, is a problem. I see it with the guys I ride with. They'll spend a shit load of cash on a Litespeed titanium bike or a Trek 5200 but will still mow down a pizza after a ride and not think about the fact that they can get over those hills a little faster if they weren't carrying a anchor on their gut.

    1. Re:It gets a little overboard too by Otter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The ones I always get a kick out of are the people riding $2000 alumininum, fully suspended, knobby-tired mountain bikes down the street. Guys, you realize a $200 steel road bike would be much faster, right?

    2. Re:It gets a little overboard too by shaka999 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Cycling is just like any other hobby. Its fun to have nice toys. I've yet to hear of a computer that runs faster because it has a window and a light inside...

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    3. Re:It gets a little overboard too by lakeland · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Everything you're saying is true, but if you lower your standards even more you will see the opposite effect. For example when I go out riding with my wife I use my (20 year old) touring bike while she uses her (new) mountain bike. Now, my bike was pretty flash when it was new, but things have changed in 20 years... And despite her being fitter than me, I have to constantly slow down not to leave her behind -- casual effort on the touring bike is the equivilant of fairly hard work on the MTB.

      Conclusion? At the top end the difference between a $500 bike and a $5000 bike may be swamped by the difference in rider ability, but at the bottom end the difference between a bike designed for on-road, and a bike designed for off-road swamps any difference in rider fitness.

    4. Re:It gets a little overboard too by alanh · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's not a 13 cm piece of metal, that's a 13 cm piece of carbon fiber composite. It may not have any actual performace advantage, but carbon fiber is much sexier than metal. ;-)

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    5. Re:It gets a little overboard too by lalleglad · · Score: 2, Informative

      Being an enthusiast bicyclist myself, with an old steel framed (though reinforced by various other materials) bike from 10 years ago, I'd have to agree with the following line:

      "there's only so much one can do without having to rely on natural talent and training"

      However, as I am also maintaining the bike myself, I can appreciate the more expensive parts of more expensive bikes, as they are often easier to clean, adjust and all in all maintain, than cheaper parts.

      And if you ever try and climb the hill/mountain that is often referred to as Alpe d'Huez, you will appreciate lightweight equipment and well functioning gears.

      So, what I am trying to say is that a good bicycle is a piece of equipment that should function as an extended piece of your body, with the least trouble and as lightweight as possible.

      Expensive bikes are not purely lightweight, but a good combination of lightweight, stiffness/responsiveness and wellfunctioning of the whole equipment.

      But the most important pieces in a successful Tour de France rider is just like with a marathon runner, a determined mind, and compaartive to the marathon runner that 'only' runs about 42km once, the Tour de France rider cycles about 3500km for 3 weeks, so he really has to be really determined :-)

      Anyone getting through Tour de France within timelimits deserve respect!

    6. Re:It gets a little overboard too by GeckoX · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I totally agree.
      I've got a 3 year old $400(CDN) Peugeot mountain bike I bought just for casual riding at the time. This year I've gotten quite a bit more serious and have taken part in a number of cross-country relay races. Up until about a month ago, I was constantly looking at the 'other guys' $4000+ machines and trying to plan how and when I would upgrade.

      I finally realized how stupid that would be.
      a) most of the guys I ride with have expensive bikes.
      b) i never get smoked by them.
      c) their stuff breaks as much as mine does, but their parts are _way_ more expensive.
      d) haven't had _my_ bike stolen.
      e) I do it for FUN.
      f) I will NEVER be taking it to the top level and thus will NEVER be able to actually reap the minute benefits one can get from really expensive bikes.

      And unlike cars, where it's easy to argue that a bmw or mercedes is worth the money over a ford as they are more fun to drive, comfortable...blah blah whatever, I have NO problems with my bike and the expensive bikes I've ridden certainly don't feel special, and DEFFINATELY don't feel like they're worth more than 10x the price.

      Now maybe if I broke the bank on a new bike I wouldn't be the only one with money to buy the beer after a good ride ;)

      Actually, if you wan't to get into a good useless waste of money tech discussion with a hardcore mountain-biker, pull out the v-brake vs disc-brake topic. Oh, I used to fall fully on the 'can't wait to have the cash to buy a nice set of disc-brakes' crowd...but a good slap with common sense brought me around.

      Me: Gonna buy me a set of those real soon! (Disc Brakes)
      Bike Shop Owner: Really? Why?
      Me: Um, they're better...
      Bike Shop Owner: Really? Why?
      Me: Um, because they work better right?
      Bike Shop Owner: Let me ask you this then, what problems are, or have you, had with your v-brake system?
      Me: Um...
      Bike Shop Owner: And of those problems, which will be solved by a higher price tag, more weight, more parts and generally more complexity?
      Me: Since you put it like that, I guess I'm unsold thank you!

      And as an interesting aside, the shop owner's success in _not_ selling me something has resulted in some darned solid customer loyalty.

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    7. Re:It gets a little overboard too by wwest4 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      100% agree.

      I was doing a norba race and once I finished I chilled out on the trail to watch some of the other heats. I saw a guy on a very sweet, expensive and light-looking XC bike carry over a 6-inch log.

      In the same race I finished just ahead of a guy I see often on the circuit. He rides on an old rigid bike, and he was hammering through the bony sections anyway. I've broken a rigid bike (stem failed) on the same trail. If had any suspension at all he probably would have toasted me.

      The moral ends up being that gear helps, but honing your skills on crappy gear helps you appreciate the pricier stuff even more. When coming up, skill and fitness are paramount - everything else is secondary, and it makes a lot of sense to save your money early on to make sure you like the sport and to get a fitness and skill base going.

    8. Re:It gets a little overboard too by Sam+Gibson · · Score: 3, Funny

      I have a $1000 Specialized FSR that I ride on the street sometimes. But that's because I'm a poor college student that can't afford another bike.

      It's all about perspective.

    9. Re:It gets a little overboard too by FlashBac · · Score: 2, Informative

      Re Disk Brakes: By and large,Yup. The sad thing is, when peope want disks sooo bad, they get cable pull disks. And then realise they are actually worse than Vs in flat out braking.(Way less leverage near hub combined with the cables stretchyness)
      However, my bike came with Hydraulic disks, (last years bike, marked to same price as this years...sold) and they are pretty OK.
      The differance comes when you are braking from high speeds, hard, and you really really do not want to lock. With Hyd. disks, there is a large amount of modulation between braking hard, and locked. Somtimes Vs are tricky to get to that place. And I have seen a lot of people hurt that way.
      Also, disks are very nice in rain/mud.

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  11. Recently scoped out new bikes by m.dillon · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Ok, I'm an old-timer now I guess. My current roadbike is the one I bought in highschool in the 80's. I recently decided I needed a new derailer so I brought it in to a shop.

    Of course, with a bike that old, they would have had to replace, well, just about everything in order to put in a new derailer. In fact it would be only slightly more to simply buy a new bycycle!

    So I started looking at bikes. I could get a nice road bike for $800 (US) that was far superior to my existing bike. Then I started looking at the carbon composite bikes, like the Roubaix series. I really didn't think I'd feel the difference until I test-rode one.

    Holy S*it! If the $800 bike was an order of magnitude better then my existing one, the Roubaix Comp (at $2600) was an order of magnitude better then the $800 bike. All carbon-composite construction, vibration dampening... the works. Unbelievably light, I could lift the whole bike with my pinky pretty much! Smooth ride, ultra smooth shifting, huge gearing range. The technology is really amazing.

    -Matt

  12. Mp3 Sunglasses by gphinch · · Score: 5, Funny

    So 35 songs for 22 days...how many times can you really listen to 'Eye of the Tiger'?

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    1. Re:Mp3 Sunglasses by Crinos · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nah, it's a 2.5 hour loop of "I think I can, I think I can, I think I can..."

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    2. Re:Mp3 Sunglasses by Moofie · · Score: 5, Funny

      LANCE!
      LANCE LANCE LANCE!
      LANCE LANCE LANCE!
      LANCE LANCE LAAAAAANCE!

      The rest of this post is non-capitalized filler to get past the lameness filter. The reason I used caps is because you can't do the guitar riff from Eye of the Tiger without yelling. It's un-American.

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  13. Re:If they really wanted to go faster by wk633 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hour record for a fully faired recumbant is over 100kph, solo, on the flats. Granted, the operative word is 'fully faired'. That's a shell around a rider.

    The point is, bike racing is a lot more complicated than going faster than anyone else alone in a straight line on the flats. Sprints, climbinb, break aways, team strategy all play a roll.

  14. Plasters? by Skiron · · Score: 3, Funny

    Still hurts when 50 'nodes' of the pelaton decide to crash all at the same time, in a cascade, rather like nodes on a M$ network. I wonder what this stuff was designed on...

    As an aside, these guys are the best athletes in any event the world over.

  15. Is there a rule? by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't know if they have a rule against strapping on an Acme(TM) rocket to the bike. If noone has tried it before, they may not have a rule against it. Or if someone tried it before, they fared was well as Wild E. Coyote, so it didn't effect the outcome for the people who finished -- without going into a brick wall or off of the cliff.

  16. MP3 by herrvinny · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From the Sunglasses/MP3 Player link:

    We have a little addendum to our Tech from the Tour de France feature from a couple of weeks ago: this special pair of Oakley sunglasses with a built-in MP3 player that Lance Armstrong was spotted wearing. No idea whether they're planning to ever sell these or not, but a little bit of research reveals that the sunglasses only have enough room on them for 35 songs, which makes us think that they probably have somewhere around 128MB of storage somwhere in there.


    True, but that doesn't mean Lance plays only 35 songs for the entire Tour. Does anyone know if the Tour rules prohibit changing electronic media and so forth? He could play a new set of 35 songs every day. At least that would be interesting trivia, what songs did Armstrong listen to every day of the Tour..

    1. Re:MP3 by wk633 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I see the sunglasses as being a better replacement to the current radio ear-bud.

      What I'd like to know more about is what kind of technology is in place to protect those radio conversations. You'd have to bet that Saiz, Godefroot and Riis would love to listen in on Bruyneel and Armstrong. (directors sportif for Heras, Ullrich, Hamilton and Armstrong)

    2. Re:MP3 by ptomblin · · Score: 3, Informative

      He doesn't wear it in the race. Riding in a peleton takes every bit of concentration, and you have to be able to hear, feel, see and practically smell the other riders around you if you're going to avoid the crashes and not miss the breakaways. I've seen him training with an iPod, so maybe he's using this for training and warm-up rides.

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    3. Re:MP3 by funwithBSD · · Score: 4, Funny

      35 songs is enough for the entire Cheryl Crow collection.

      That's all he needs.

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  17. Re:Numbers by oostevo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Pins are for USCF racers only. International UCI races use stick-on numbers that are really big stickers (so they aren't really that drag-inducing). The only time UCI racers use pins is when they want to reuse numbers (sometimes they want to take a number or two home from the Tour for memory's sake).

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  18. Re:Queue the... by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cycling is not like Formula One, something I hesitate to call sport any more. Some of the new technology is well cool and anything that makes a bike lighter and stiffer is welcomed by racing cyclists but one fact remains, the cyclist still has to pedal the damn thing. In racing it boils down to legs, lungs and desire at the end of the day because there is no major technology diffentiator possible on a bike. Lance Armstrong on his postmans bike will always thrash his postman on the latest and greatest technology.

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  19. How to get a lighter bike... by raygundan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Q: What's the cheapest way to shave 500g off your bike weight?

    A: Lose 500g.

    1. Re:How to get a lighter bike... by GeckoX · · Score: 2, Informative

      Funny, sure, but I'm going to guess that raygundan is a biker of some sort and didn't post this as a joke as this is the truth. This should be modded insightful for making a piece of common-sense more common!

      Lets put it into real world terms:
      I am a cross-country mountain biker, and this season alone my weight has fluctuated anywhere from 170-185 pounds. (185 at the beginning of the season for sure, 170 after my last 24hr relay race, but regularly bouncing between 170 and 180)

      And lets say I want to buy a new set of front-suspension forks.

      My options are a 5 pound set for $150 and a 4 pound set for $1000 and I've got a big race coming up.

      What's my best choice?
      The extra $850, or eating a couple less steaks between now and the race?

      And please remember, this only even remotely matters if you are at a level where a single pound, which is likely going to be somewhere around one half of a percent of the total weight, is actually going to make a difference.

      Hint: That's not you or me. That'd be Lance and a handful of others out there.

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  20. Re:Sunglass mp3 player. by Dav3K · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Funny thing about the Tour de France though...automobile traffic is SO not an issue.

  21. Slashdot bias towards bicycles by GillBates0 · · Score: 4, Funny
    When you think of a bicycle, you most likely think of 2 tires, a chain, some gearing of some sort, and other assorted mechanical bits.

    I would like to request that Slashdot drop it's discrimination/bias against unicyclists and tricyclists of the world. The poster assumes that everybody will think of two-wheeled "bicycles" when they think about cycles. This is not the case. I would also like to request all Girls to stop being biased against unicycle and tricycle riders. We are every bit as good as the so called "bicycle" riders.

    Please join the fight against even-wheeled cycle fanatics.

    Thank you.

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    1. Re:Slashdot bias towards bicycles by christopherfinke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, the poster makes no assumptions about cycles in general; only bicycles, which, by definition, have two wheels. Nice try, but you have to pay attention to the details to get the +5 Funny.

  22. Re:If they really wanted to go faster by avi33 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are plenty other regulations for international competitive cycling:
    -the entire bicycle must weigh at least 6.8 kg
    -the frame must be of the 'double diamond' design (this rules out recumbents)
    -no fairings
    -all competitors are encouraged to use performance enhancing drugs (and their masking agents), as long as the team manager's girlfriend's doctor's cousin carries them.

  23. Re:Has Lance started trying yet? by 3terrabyte · · Score: 4, Informative
    They're not changing the rules to make it harder for him to win. I can only think of one thing that can make you say that: Team Time Trials.

    They have made it so that the most you can lose is 3:00

    It's true that this keeps a well-trained team like Team Postal from tearing up the General Classification, but that's all it's doing. Their goal was to keep so many teams from being out of it due to one team trial.

    As Lance said, it's their race, their rules. They knew about the changes in advance, and the rules apply to everyone, so he just has to ride it.

    Besides, it's the mountains that make the biggest difference in overall time, and is also where Lance excels at.

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  24. Standard Equipment by bsd4me · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I seriously doubt that standard equipment will make it into the UCI rules. Mainly, there are too many variables for proper bike fit. Something minor, like pedal style, can make a big positive or negative impact on a rider. Other things, like leg to torso to arm proportions, make geometry standardization totally unfair.

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    1. Re:Standard Equipment by michael_cain · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Indeed. Even the casual rider will notice a large difference over the course of several kilometers between two essentially identical bikes, one properly fitted and the other not. The current rules do "standardize" enough -- double triangle geometry, minimum weight -- to avoid the worst of the America's Cup fiascos. The kinds of changes that are being made in wheels and such these days seem to be second- or third-order effects: as another poster pointed out, wind tunnel tests show that one of the largest sources of drag in the current bike/rider configuration is the paper rider identification numbers each rider must wear.

  25. Possible Playlist by john_smith_45678 · · Score: 3, Funny

    If the cyclists are listening to mp3's, maybe their playlists look something like this:

    10. "The Cougar Fight Song": Nothing is quite as stirring as hearing the band break into "Rise and Shout" at the beginning of a sporting event.

    9. "Olé": No, this is not the Ricky Martin World Cup song. It's the chant soccer fans around the world have been singing far longer that consists of just that one word: "Olé, olé, olé, olé... olé, olé."

    8. "SportsCenter Theme": Every true sports fanatic now recognizes the familiar intro to a full hour of the best of the day's sports action. Most of us watch it two or three times a day.

    7. "Chariots of Fire" - Vangelis: This classic theme music has defined track songs for over twenty years. The Olympic team training on the beach idealizes the essences of pushing yourself to the limit.

    6. "The Hey Song": Who can resist the compelling, "duh-dun duh-dun duh-dun duh-dun duh-dun-dun . . . HEY!" during a game? We all know it . . . and we all yell just as loud when it's played.

    5. "Eye of the Tiger" - Survivor: The most compelling sports stories come from the underdogs, the little guys (see March Madness and every sports movie ever made). This song epitomizes fighting against the odds.

    4. "Take Me Out to the Ball Game": Any list on sports songs must include this classic. It conjures up images of lazy afternoons at the ballpark, of the seventh inning stretch, and of preserving the tradition and history of sports.

    3. "You All Ready For This?": Sports action must be on tap whenever you hear this familiar opening music. It gets the blood boiling and the vocal cords limber for the excitement to follow.

    2. "We Are the Champions" - Queen: Athletic competition means winners and losers, and no song better embodies that than this one. In extolling the journey, it honors the effort it takes to get to the top.

    1. "We Will Rock You" - Queen: Stomp, stomp, clap. Stomp, stomp, clap. Everyone steps up to the challenge when the greatest sports song of all time is played. It's played at every level in every sport, making it easily #1.

    Honorable Mention: "Sweet Georgia Brown" (Harlem Globetrotters theme), "Charge!", "Hey, Baby", "Jump Around."

  26. Come on Armstrong! by bobblebob · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You can do it -make it 6

  27. Trek 5200 by GPLDAN · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I recently biught a Trek 5200. I could have easily gone with a Trek 2300 or smaller, because I am no power rider. I ride about 10-20 miles in the morning. Every other day. That's it. Many of you could destroy probably cream me on a $99 Huffy.

    But the bike is a joy to ride. I owned a crappy Schwinn most of my road bike riding days and so I splurged a bit and got some Sidi shoes and this bike. I enjoy riding it, esp. going up hills.

    Maybe I overspent, but I enjoy the bike. The OLCV Carbon is damn light. And if I enjoy riding, I'll ride more. I had my fill of heavy steel bikes, this really is a whole different league. I've read a few responses that mock people for spending too much on the bike. Most of those people have a iPod and a $500 video card just to play counterstrike.

  28. Re:Bio tech too! -- and good drugs!!! by f.money · · Score: 5, Informative

    Must...control...fist...of...death! OH my god, you're an idiot.

    Considering that the main drug of choice for cyclists (EPO) still has no reliable test that can't be beat by a quick I.V. to water down the blood supply.
    Nope, they do have a test for EPO now; granted you can still get beneficial effects and test clean, but a "quick IV" won't beat it. They also test hematocrit levels - if they're too high, you're suspended (this is actually not a positive test, since no drugs are detected, but you can't race for "health reasons"). This goes to the heart of how EPO helps performance.

    Instead he went from being a sprinter who was a middle of the road time trialist and basically poor climber into a virtuoso. I don't buy it for a minute.
    Is this why he was Junior National Time Trial champion? Is this why he road away from the field at World's (1993, and also as a junior (he didn't win as a junior, but he put the hurt on people)). Lance was never a sprinter - he was much more of a rolleur until he was able to reshape his body after chemotherapy (by losing the upper body mass from his triathalon days). THEN he became a good climber.

    Check out the book LA Confidential:
    Which is the subject of multiple lawsuits by Lance against the author. Also, Walsh (the author) even admits he doesn't prove anything. He merely "implies" that Lance used drugs; I'm guessing Walsh's defence in court will be along these lines.

    People like you make me angry. Lance has been the most tested athlete over the last few years and has NEVER tested positive. The French judiciary had a mutli YEAR investigation into his alleged drug taking - the case was thrown out when they couldn't uncover ANY evidence that he had used performance enhancing substances. That investigation even subpeonaed his medical records, btw, so they had full access to all available information.

    Go away.

    jon

  29. rampant doping by SuperBanana · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Look at Lance's amazing biochemistry!

    One does wonder what other sorts of biochemistry are going on with riders(I've always thought it was kind of ironic that Lance was sponsored by a major pharmaceutical, and yes, I am deeply suspicious that Lance's chemo and related drugs somehow altered his body to make him much stronger; I don't think he would be stupid enough to be doping himself), seeing as how doping is rampant in virtually all other sports- and the message to little kids has been nothing of zero tolerance but instead "I'm a good guy, I couldn't have been doing drugs, even though my trainer was caught twice before doping his runners and I failed a drug test" etc etc.

    Then there's the baseball players, who were TOLD AHEAD OF TIME they'd be tested. When they were tested- ONE QUARTER of them failed! Unbelievable! That's like telling everyone the answer to a one question quiz, and then having 25% fail!

    I forget which bike race it was, but police did a raid on the rider's barracks one night, and it was like a scene from animal house- they had riders leaping out of windows in their underwear, hiding in the bushes, running off, etc. They found dozens upon dozens of drug vials, needles, pills, you name it. It was absolutely pathetic.

  30. Or maybe he just has (metaphorical) balls... by MooseByte · · Score: 5, Informative

    "As a close follower of cycling, I have always doubted his cancer story and just assumed he made it up to cover his tracks and maybe make some publicity for one of his suppliers."

    I now crown you Supreme Grand Poobah of the Tinfoil Hat Society. And that says a lot given what we read on Slashdot.

    Dude, you're assuming the guy FAKED cancer? Because he recovered better/faster than you did? And you don't like it?

    "I had similar surgery to Lance (had my left testicle removed)and there was no way I was getting back on a bike for over 9 months."

    Well thank you for setting the limit of the human experience for us. Really, it's comforting to know you're the pinnacle of human endurance, pain tolerance and tissue healing.

    I had similar surgery (hours of slicing and dicing, lots of fun recovering, I assure you) and was back on my bike in 7 WEEKS. And none of my riding friends were pointing at me and saying I must have faked it. I ride a lot, not huge amounts, but 100-125 miles/week typically. My body was used to it. And that's a mere pittance compared to any Tour rider's training schedule.

    By your reasoning I must have faked my surgery. Or maybe there are people in this world who just deal with it. Hamilton rode most of the 2003 Tour with freakin' broken collarbone. He must've been faking it too.

    "Instead he went from being a sprinter who was a middle of the road time trialist and basically poor climber into a virtuoso. I don't buy it for a minute."

    I see. Or maybe it was because he:

    Was already a damn good racer before.

    Dropped a few dozen pounds during cancer treatment and kept it off (this greatly affects climbing efficiency - 10 lbs of extra mass is a LOT of weight to drag over several mountain passes each day)

    Modified his training to use higher cadences (== less time above lactic threshold) to greatly improve his climbing efficiency.

    The pain of cancer treatment recalibrated his sense of pain, suffering and misery.

    Started actually scouting and RIDING key upcoming Tour stages during training.

    Damn sad day when those who've never come close to attaining feel compelled to snipe at those who do.

  31. Re:Bring back BIO-PACE Chainrings! by NetNinja · · Score: 2, Informative

    Bio-Pace failed because a large number of riders developed knee problems.

  32. Re:Has Lance started trying yet? by TheWizardOfCheese · · Score: 2, Informative

    From what I understand they changed the course to have less hills which are Lances strong point.

    Just the opposite. They have helped out the climbing specialists by increasing the importance of the mountain stages. For instance, the first individual TT is practically just L'Alpe d'Huez.

    Armstrong doesn't really have a strong point; or rather, he has no weakness, being extremely good at both climbing and TT. However, he is not small enough to be quite as good as the very best of the pure climbers.

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  33. Re:Has Lance started trying yet? by steveha · · Score: 3, Informative

    About Jan Ullrich:

    Last year, Jan wanted to make up time on the last time trial, but the sloppy weather did him in. He slid out on a turn and thus lost 8-10 seconds; there was no way he could make up enough time to win. (One of the OLN commentators said that Lance slowed to 5 MPH on the part where Jan slid out, and his rear wheel still skidded a bit. Dangerous! All Lance had to do was ride very carefully and not crash, to secure the win... he already had a time advantage.)

    On flat road stages, there is no way for Lance to get a time advantage on Jan, or for Jan to get an advantage on Lance. If either of them gets in a breakaway, the peloton will reel them in immediately. They both know it. Jan didn't "do nothing" during the last few days; he did what he could, which wasn't enough to pull out the win.

    steveha

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  34. Re:Has Lance started trying yet? by steveha · · Score: 2, Informative

    Lance's team came in a full minute ahead of the second-place team. Under the old rules, Lance and his guys would all have picked up over a minute of advantage compared to Jan Ullrich and his team. Under the new rules, the second-place team was scored as having come in exactly 20 seconds behind Lance's team, thus wiping out about 40 seconds of advantage for Lance and his guys.

    steveha

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  35. Re:If they really wanted to go faster by wk633 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I am sure that in the early 90s there was no specific rule banning recumbants, according to Les Earnest (a UCI official and also a prof at Stanford- you out there Les?) always said there was nothing to specificly rule out a recumbant. Now, there were major changes in response to advances to beat the hour record. I think the 'double diamond' part came in then. I would think a recumbant would be far superior for a TT, and Les's only speculation as to why they were not used then is that it position is different enough from an upright, that it uses a different muscle set.

    That is, at that level, one could train for one or the other, but not both.

    Sam Whittingham is a (former?) HPPVA world record holder is a pretty mean upright sprinter as well, but he's not world class as a roadie.

    I have to run, but google on 'les earnest rec.bicycles recumbant uci' might turn something up.

  36. Re:Has Lance started trying yet? by steveha · · Score: 5, Informative

    Has Lance started trying yet? Um, yes.

    Lance and his guys have incredible focus on just one thing: Lance finishes the race with the fastest time. They have been doing an excellent job of tracking that goal.

    They don't waste energy trying to win stages needlessly, but when riding hard will give them an advantage, they do it (e.g. stage 3, they rode hard and fast to stay ahead of the crashes expected on the cobblestones). When Lance got the yellow jersey after stage 4, they let everyone know he wouldn't work to defend it because he didn't need it that early, and they let it go.

    Part of winning the Tour de France is simply enduring the abuse. If you burn yourself out on one stage, you may find yourself in trouble on the next stage. That's okay if all you care about is winning one stage, but Lance absolutely needs to avoid burning himself out. He needs to out-ride everyone, and part of that is not wasting energy. Use it when you need it, and when you don't need it, save it for later.

    On flat road stages, it's basically impossible for any of the GC contenders (Lance, Jan, Tyler, etc.) to gain any significant time advantage. The peloton is faster than any single bicyclist. Since the race is structured this year with a whole bunch of flat road stages up front, we have been watching Lance and his guys spend their time riding mostly defensively. That's okay.

    If you look at the race standings, Lance seems far from a win. But the guys ahead of him will lose big time in the mountains! And his real rivals, the guys he worries about (Jan, Tyler, etc.) are all behind him on time. Jan is almost a minute behind him.

    Lance's big chances to gain a time advantage are time trial stages and mountain stages. When he hits those stages, expect him to really pour on the effort. But it's just not true that he's slacking now.

    what the hell is the name of the thing that connects the crank arms?

    The bottom bracket, which has a shell containing some bearings and a spindle. If that doesn't answer your question, try googling for "bottom bracket parts" or some such.

    steveha

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  37. It's still about the riders by steveha · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The technology is neat, but the technology can't actually win the race. It's still about the riders.

    Lance has a cool bike, but all the Tour de France riders have good bikes. There is a limit to how much benefit you can get with a better bike, and all the tour guys have bikes that are close to this limit.

    The slowest of the Tour riders, on a bad day, could ride me into the ground on a 20-year-old piece-of-junk bike, even if I were on my good bike. Sure I could climb Alpe d'Huez, but it would take me at least a couple of hours, and the Tour guys race up it in 40 minutes or so, as just part of a 5 or 6 hour day of racing!

    The most important tech to Lance is the tech he uses in training. He trains and trains. They measure his power output in Watts, how many Calories he burns, how much wind drag he has on his time trial bike. It's his training that will win the race, his training and good tactics (both his and his team director, Johan Bruyneel).

    P.S. The Tour rules have a lower limit on how much a bike can weigh. I think this is a good idea. There is a point at which "light" becomes "stupid light"; where the too-light components aren't strong enough and things start to break. The minimum weight will keep the bikes from getting into a stupid-light arms race.

    The Tour rules also now require helmets, and the helmets have to actually be able to protect the riders' heads. Last year riders wore lightweight helmets for the time trial stages, and the lightweight helmets were basically just streamlined shells that wouldn't protect them at all in a crash. This year even the time trial helmets are required to meet crash safety standards. I'm in favor of the idea.

    steveha

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  38. Re:Bring back BIO-PACE Chainrings! by wk633 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Bio-pace was a huge success. It helped Shimano kill Suntour. That and the Kobe earthquake.

    Bio-pace sucked, but it was marketing genius. Everyone had to have it on their bike. Kinda like IE...

  39. Don't forget the coverage tech by Guernica+Bill · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm actually most impressed by the technology involved in the television coverage. First, you've got about about 20 cameras on bicycles, showing images at race level (almost what the cyclists see themselves). They send the pictures to helicopters overhead, which in turn send the images to satellites. Let's also not forget the cameras on the helicopters themselves, and the beautiful display of flying and camera ability that brings gorgeous and rock-steady shots of 170 bicyclists zipping through fields of sunflowers.

    Add to that GPS transmitters on every bike, which brings instant results at the end of the race to the 100th of a second, and (this year on OLN) up-to-the-second time gaps among the groups on the road (this'll really shine when they hit the mountains).

    All this, plus entertaining commentary, live worldwide.

  40. GO POSTAL !!!! by joel_archer · · Score: 2, Interesting
  41. Re:If they really wanted to go faster by bike_head · · Score: 2

    Except, the TdF never goes down L'alpe D'Huez only up, but I suspect you already knew that.

  42. The tracking site by unixgeezer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm not sure if this was mentioned in all of the posts about the TDF; but, there is a site run by my company's European division that has a real-time tracking of the cyclists. From what I remember reading, it uses RFID technology to aid the scoring.