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US Government Keeping Close Eye on Longhorn

skrysakj writes "CNN/Money has a new article describing the close eye the Feds have on Longhorn and its compliance with the anti-trust settlement. I wonder how discerning their eye will be considering past decisions and lax enforcement. Also, this prompts the question, what is the EU doing to examine Longhorn?" The longer Washington Post piece has more information.

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  1. Depends on who is in the Whitehouse by Colonel+Panic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I wonder how discerning their eye will be considering past decisions and lax enforcement.

    Well, if the Republicans win the house/senate/whitehouse again, you can bet this won't go anywhere.

    However if the Democrats win at least some of those (esp. the Whitehous) you might see at least a bit more attention from the Justice dept.

    You'll recall that after the Bush admin took over the settlement between the govmt and M$ was pretty much turned into a slap on the wrist.

    1. Re:Depends on who is in the Whitehouse by glenrm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So those pictures of Bill and Bill playing golf were just for show?
      So if I vote for Kerry I might see at least a bit more attention, wow that seems worth it...

    2. Re:Depends on who is in the Whitehouse by the+chao+goes+mu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To be fair, Lloyd Bentsen, the "Senator from Texaco" was aDemocrat. Both parties are quite heavily involved in protecting big business, big agriculture and whatever local unions are influential. The unions tend slightly Democrat, industry tends slightly Republican, but there really is very little noticeable difference.

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    3. Re:Depends on who is in the Whitehouse by Evil+Schmoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not exactly. SuperKendall observes who donates to whose presidential campaign. Also:

      Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-WA)
      Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA)

      Of the 9 Representatives from the Apple State, the breakdown is 3 Republicans, 6 Democrats.

      I used to work for the Senate Dems, and I can absolutely guarantee you that Microsoft has no greater friend than Patty Murray in Congress. And Ron Wyden, D-OR, is a pretty major booster, too.

      Simply put, all politics is local. The parties have no say whatsoever in this. You simply can't win in Washington without supporting Microsoft, Boeing, and apples one hundred and fifty percent.

  2. Its all for nothing.. by slungsolow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft, which has delayed Longhorn's rollout, has not said when it will be released as the successor to Windows XP, the current version of the personal-computer operating system. Several industry analysts have predicted introduction of Longhorn in 2006 or possibly 2007, which is when the antitrust settlement is scheduled to expire. - Washington Post Since Longhorn will be distributed after the terms of the antitrust agreement expire they can do whatever the hell they want. They can show one thing when in reality they mean to implement another. I am not saying thats what they are going to do, its just a possibility.

    1. Re:Its all for nothing.. by slungsolow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Applications should not be connected to the OS except in cases when its needed. If companies like Adobe, Oracle, IBM and Macromedia (to name a few) can build robust and useful applications without tying them into the OS then microsoft can do the same.

  3. Re:In addition to the Justice Department by MarsDefenseMinister · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd think that a governmental agency such as the DOHS wouldn't react fast enough to either counter security threats, or to allow MS to keep Windows up to date. If the DOHS got involved, it's be another 10 years before MS would be allowed to release their next OS. Please don't get them involved where there might exist a more efficient solution.

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  4. Meh by Sean80 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I'm sorry, but the Republicans in the US have repeatedly shown that they put big business before the little guy.

    Maybe I'm too old and cynical, but this just seems like political hijinx, which the "news" organizations will pick up and report, will keep the people happy who have neither the time nor the inclination to dig deeper into the details of this enforcement, but will ultimately hurt us all in the long run. I can't see the government caring beyond it making a nice sound-bite in tonight's news.

    I'm just waiting for the revolution.

    1. Re:Meh by geek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're delusional if you think it's just the Republicans. The Dems are just as if not more guilty of it. Al Gore is on Apple's board of directors for christs sake. I'm so sick of the partisanship these days, you honestly think power hungry people i.e. politicians are ever innocent of pandering and profiteering? They ALL do it equally. John Kerry is the richest man to ever grace the senate, he's married to Teresa HEINZ Kerry, you know, the ketchup chick. They have billions, none of it he EARNED. He married the widow of a rich ketchup producer. I mean come on dude, do you not see the total BS you're dishing out?

    2. Re:Meh by greenegg77 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You had that option during the primaries, when you voted for the candidate to lead your party...

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  5. MS' LongHorn vs DOJ's LongArm by abhinavmodi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Longhorn will be expected to deliver phenomenally in terms of 1. Security 2. UI 3. "Seamless" integration of internet/multimedia tool. It is, however, this precise policy of "integration", or rather, forcing users to go with MS software, which is the bee in Microsoft's bonnet. Recent technology previews of mozilla firefox and thunderbird, along with other web content software (shareware as well as open source) are much better in terms of performance than the existing stuff from the MS stable. LongHorn will have to outperform in more ways than one to battle Linux as well as opensource

  6. Why this article was posted by rd_syringe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's to meet the daily bash-Microsoft quota. Along with the pointless Shared Source article earlier intended to generate endless OSS vs. Shared Source comparisons, the entire point of this article is to have endless antitrust discussion that has already been had countless times before, mixed in with the occasional vaporware jokes and basless government insults (like yours...they'd get liquored up and discuss golf? Get real).

    But hey, this is Slashdot. I've already gotten modded down just for making a joke in the Doom 3 article. Facts, objectivity, and a real sense of humor have no place here.

    1. Re:Why this article was posted by DickBreath · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's to meet the daily bash-Microsoft quota.

      If there were such an actual quota, why would this be bad? Maybe people have actual reasons to dislike Microsoft. Are all anti-Microsoft articles, or discussion forums to be banned? The anti-Open Source people seem to have their own forums for "open and honest discussion", where there is no room for rebuttal. Or is any valid article about Microsoft that is not glowingly positive a "Microsoft bashing" article?


      Along with the pointless Shared Source article earlier intended to generate endless OSS vs. Shared Source comparisons

      What is wrong with such comparisons? What is wrong with endless discussion about the relative merits? The discussion does not take away anyone's freedom to choose.

      Some people believe that Shared Source is a viral license that represents a real danger to Open Source, and to any commercial developer who might become vastly successful.

      Why should such discussion not take place?


      mixed in with the occasional vaporware jokes and basless government insults

      Very few jokes are not at someone's expense. Go check out any source of commedy. Lots of people, organizations and yes, the government are routinely insulted. Why should Slashdot be any different? Is it somehow deeply offensive that jokes are made at Microsoft's expense? I'm sure if you look around, you might find a more suitable forum where jokes are routinely made about Open Source or its related people.

      Jokes about the government may be political or not. Even when non-political, we enjoy the freedom to make endless jokes about the government. (There isn't even a quota or upper limit!)


      Facts, objectivity, and a real sense of humor have no place here.

      Objectivity is often very subjective. So is a sense of humor.

      Slashdot has many differing points of view. Also differing senses of humor. There are rational reasonable people who bash Microsoft. And the government. Both with well reasoned and thought out points of view.

      And there isn't a quota. Plenty of slashdot days go buy with serious Microsoft/government bashing withdrawal.

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  7. Fox on the henhouse by onyxruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When the fox gaurds the henhouse, there isn't much need to count the chickens. Whatever happened to anti-trust with balls? A paper tiger is meaningless, and there is nothing that microsoft and company could possibly do that would actually result in real action. Once there was at least enough of a threat to have them work hard at keep Apple afloat, but now with Linux they can act with impunity. If my government won't stop Microsoft, who will?

  8. Close Eye For the Straight GUI by Eberlin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So they're keeping a close eye on Longhorn, eh? The problem with any of these "enforcement" deals is that usually they're reactive. The product will come out, people will cry foul, then Microsoft spends a few years dancing with the justice department all the while the product has already done its corporate damage.

    The only real way to keep an eye on them is to have someone actually be involved from the groundwork. Will such and such feature be anti-competition? If so, scrap it before anyone works on it. Otherwise it'll just be IE'ed into the OS and a teary-eyed Ballmer will have to explain to us that taking it out will kill Windows.

    Things to watch out for: DRM and the integration of Media Player, the bundled firewall, an MS Anti-virus, and the Dancing Ballmer doing the "Welcome To Windows" tour.

  9. = evermore convoluted OS "Options" by holy_smoke · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Microsoft will just invent more layers of "Set program access and defaults" interfaces to "accomodate" the government.

    The end result to sysadmins and programmers will be more landmines in the code, more virus entry points, and more failure points in general.

    Between these and the new security provisions that will break some(?) current software, Longhorn will be a very "interesting" software release.

    I think Microsoft is really betting the farm on this one, in more ways than one.

    Either that or they will finally find OS utopia and we will all be happy (pause bursts of laughter).

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  10. How is it enforceable? by gmletzkojr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I read the shorter article (many words = enemy), and I can't help but wonder how the gov't actually intends on enforcing this issue. Are they really hiring programmers of thier own to look at the code? If not, would the average gov't employee know what he/she is looking at? Even if they were given some sort of a design document (hehhe) would they even be able to determine the true intent or implementation?

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  11. Translation into Cynic-Speak: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Input:
    US Government Keeping Close Eye on Longhorn

    Output:
    Bush Administration Seeking Campaign Contributions from Microsoft

  12. Re:Hmm by Strudelkugel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Someone shoot me. :(

    You expect sympathy? Appears you like the money. Why not go to an all *nix shop. I doubt Uncle Bill cares where you work.

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  13. Democrats? Action against Microsoft? Take a look. by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You might want to check out some of Kerry's Top Donors.

    Also, if you're a fan of the DMCA you'll be pleased to see how high up Time Warner is on the list! But then the kowtowing Democrats do to Hollywood is legendary.

    Bush is only slightly better in terms of dollars accepted by Microsoft (at least he's mostly free of media companies). Basically you're going to have to vode Nader - or Perot!

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  14. Sun hasn't even signed Microsoft's CPP by NZheretic · · Score: 2, Insightful
    As of the July 16 2004, Sun has not signed up to Microsoft's Communications Protocol Program.

    on April 15 2004, Sun's James Gosling, in response to this article and some "slashdot flamage" from the same author, blogged in More on Sun & Microsoft

    My last blog entry stirred up a lot of commentary and flamage (and some of the flamage was entertainingly wild: I love the Internet!). Reading through it, it's clear that there's still confusion about the meaning of our "collaboration" agreement with Microsoft.

    While it is true that as a part of it we did sign up for Microsoft's Communications Protocol Program that is a part of the US v. Microsoft case, our full agreement both modifies and expands on it to give us a much more broad and useful agreement. It is important to understand that in no way does this lock Sun or Sun customers into interoperating with any Microsoft system on Microsoft's strict terms. Right now, most of our interoperability is achieved through reverse-engineering. We have the option, entirely at our discretion, to access Microsoft's specifications through the collaboration agreement. But before we do so, on a case-by-case basis, we will do an analysis of the business case for the entanglements that such access implies (principally confidentiality and royalties). Right now, the vast majority of the software that we (Sun) produce has free and open specifications and we provide the implementations of a large and growing fraction of it as open source. We are not going to slow down our involvement in the open source community. Right now we have launched no projects that will access any Microsoft specifications under the agreement - we simply have the option to, if we decide that the benefits outweigh the costs.

    This ablity to selectively pick and choose and other "flexabilities" was a detail left out of Sun's press release, and more interestingly, the recent joint status report on Microsoft's complicance with the US DOJ final antitrust judgement.
  15. Dogbert by mfh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sorry if you missed my joke, but Dogbert states that if you want something to be a certain way, be sure to enforce the opposite. Therefore by the DOJ enforcing Longhorn to be quick for MS to change, they will get, in result, a system that is impossible to change. It's the law.

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  16. Why your reply to this article was posted by smclean · · Score: 3, Insightful
    It's to meet the daily bash-Slashdot quota. Along with the pointless rants about the Shared Source article earlier, the entire point of your reply is to have endless discussions on the relative legitimacy of Slashdot postings that have already been had countless times before, mixed in with the occasional expression of tiring with occasional vaporware jokes and baseless government insults.

    But hey, this is Slashdot. Looks like you got your mod points back, surprisingly.

    Anyway, I feel that you picked the wrong article to bash Slashdot on. While I agree that Slashdot occasionally posts articles on unimportant, redundant, or just plain stupid material, this time the article referenced actually has some interesting information.

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  17. Re:Depends on who is in the Whitehouse (offtopic) by AnonymousKev · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Do you feel safer than you did four years ago?

    That a trick question, isn't it? 11SEP2001 falls into that range. I suspect some folks would answer "no" regardless of who was in office.

    I believe the Iraq War was ill-advised. But I also believe that if Bush were not in office, the Taliban would still own Afganistan.

    Besides, if Kerry is elected, what will change (as far as Iraq is concerned)? Kerry only has two choices:
    (a) continue the war until Iraqi internal forces can handle the country, or
    (b) order immediate troop withdrawal (either total or partial, makes no difference in the long run)

    If Kerry chooses (a), then he's just doing what Bush will do if re-elected. If Kerry chooses (b), then Iraq really will become the Official Terrorist Homeland. And while the Democrats will point out that it's Bush's fault, that won't comfort many people when the next round of 9/11 style attacks occur.

    Kerry is playing both sides. Last week on NPR, there was some clip with an 8-year-old asking Kerry what he would do about the war in Iraq. What struck me about the exchange was that after Kerry insulted Bush, he refused to answer the question. He spent all the time asking the kid what he would do!

    Why should I vote for Kerry if he doesn't even have a plan?

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  18. Slap the other wrist? by dtjohnson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hilarious. What will those diligent Longhorn watchers do if they find one a violation? Give Microsoft a slap on the other wrist?

    The only result of the entire Microsoft antitrust case was to show just how insignificant the antitrust laws really are.