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Mysterious Force Affects Pioneer 10 & 11 Probes

JabbaTheFart writes "The Guardian is writing that something strange is tugging at America's oldest spacecraft. As the Pioneer 10 and 11 probes head towards distant stars, scientists have discovered that the craft - launched more than 30 years ago - appear to be in the grip of a mysterious force that is holding them back as they sweep out of the solar system. Some researchers say unseen 'dark matter' may permeate the universe and that this is affecting the Pioneers' passage. Others say flaws in our understanding of the laws of gravity best explain the crafts' wayward behaviour."

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  1. It's the Klingons! by prgrmr · · Score: 5, Funny

    The question is can we develop the technology to detect tractor beams all the way out there from here?

    1. Re:It's the Klingons! by Lt+Cmdr+Tuvok · · Score: 5, Funny
      The logic on which you draw your assumption seems to be flawed.

      Contact with the Klingon empire was first made in 2151. Therefore, it is only logical to assume that they were nowhere near human space in 2004. It is most likely that the phenomenon in question was an anomaly caused by temporal vortex flux.

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    2. Re:It's the Klingons! by Punto · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe they can reverse the polarity of the probes' guidance system.

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    3. Re:It's the Klingons! by Commander+Spock · · Score: 3, Funny

      While that may be true, young one, it is still entirely possible that representatives of the Klingon Empire were in the vicinity, undetected, long before "official contact" was made.

    4. Re:It's the Klingons! by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's no problem. I have a tachyon pulse generator on my Leatherman.

      -B

    5. Re:It's the Klingons! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Salshdot needs a "skip all trekkie related jokes" option.

    6. Re:It's the Klingons! by NineteenSixtyNine · · Score: 1, Funny

      Thank god. His State of the Union speeches would go on for days ...... and ...... days ...... and ...... days ...... and ...... days.

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    7. Re:It's the Klingons! by override11 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Enough about warp, lets just all get de-contaminated with goo!

      OK, take your top off...

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    8. Re:It's the Klingons! by the+last+username · · Score: 4, Funny
      I think you're treating "warp speeds" as speeds, when you should probably think of them as power ratings. For the same power, Enterprise will move much faster further away from a star's gravity well. You can't say that because it takes ~2000 times as long to go to Qo'nos (Kronos, whatever), it must be only ~2000 times further away.

      This has the very desirable property, that Enterprise will move faster through the boring bits of a journey, and slower than a drunked snail when anything of equal or greater mass is in the vicinity (e.g. another ship).

      You'll notice that when Enterprise does take a long time to cross empty space, it usually isn't empty - there's a nebula, a gravitational anomaly, a cloaked ship, or a heavy plotline. Any of these can distort spacetime, effectively gumming up the warp nacelles.

      This behaviour is a natural consequence of warp field theory, in which the fundamental constant is not the speed of light, but the Standard Programme Length, from which the whole of QED (Quantum Episode Dynamics) arises.

    9. Re:It's the Klingons! by nzhavok · · Score: 2, Funny

      This was explained well in Babylon 5 when JMS (the creator/writer) explains how fast the Starfuries go. They travel at "the speed of plot".

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  2. Or... by deadgoon42 · · Score: 5, Funny

    They could just be hitting up against that big crystal shell that all the stars are painted on.

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    1. Re:Or... by ralmeida · · Score: 2, Funny
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    2. Re: Or... by ronaldb64 · · Score: 1, Funny
      Eddies in the space-time continuum.

      That's the only logical explanation. Now, why Eddie is in the space-time continuum, that's not really clear...

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  3. Matrix by Sir+Homer · · Score: 5, Funny

    When you think about it, we know so little about deep space. Perhaps the Matrix doesn't go out that far? Clipping problems?

    1. Re:Matrix by Anthem.uxp · · Score: 5, Funny

      If they someday come back from the other side of space we can try and exploit an overflow.

    2. Re:Matrix by Mukaikubo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wouldn't the nearest Agent simply be able to manipulate the JPL computer consoles into giving out the right numbers?

      "What you must realize is that there is no probe."

    3. Re:Matrix by Gkeeper80 · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's what my proctologist said, too!

  4. I've got it! by Have+Blue · · Score: 3, Funny

    They're so far away the Matrix is accumulating significant floating point error.

  5. Einsteinian Physics by charon69 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Obviously, this is merely the result of the space craft leaving the singularity of our solar system, thereby moving outside of Einsteinian laws of gravitation and physics. It can now enter hyperspace... or would be able to if the puppeteers would hurry up and arrange for a hyperdrive shunt to get dropped off.

    Sorry, just finished "Ringworld".

  6. *mumbles* by KennethSundby · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ah yes, the good old "If you don't know, blame it on Dark Matter" strikes again.

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  7. Re:for the love of god, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can forgive the mods not knowing the difference between affect and effect, but can we please all donate a penny to buy the editors an English textbook?

  8. no worries.... by tuxter · · Score: 1, Funny

    It's just the cloaked death star. That explains the force.

    1. Re:no worries.... by erikharrison · · Score: 1, Funny

      I thought midichlorians explained the force.

      I know, I know. I didn't buy it either

  9. Wayward behavior? by sofakingon · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't know about you guys, but if "something strange" were tugging at my "probe" using "mysterious forces," It would probably be bigger news than the science page of /. !

    1. Re:Wayward behavior? by Riktov · · Score: 2, Funny

      A heavenly body, perhaps?

  10. Re:explanation??? by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 5, Funny
    One thing that is rare for {scientists] to admit is not knowing why something happens.

    Only if by "rare" you mean "all the time."

  11. Conspiracy Theory by isa-kuruption · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Bush Administration is altering the laws of gravity in order to distract us from the situation in Iraq. A bill in Congress right now will nullify the law of gravity as we know it, taking away the rights of individuals to remain firmly planted on the Earth.

    1. Re:Conspiracy Theory by pjt33 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't forget that US law still only applies to the US, so the rest of us will be perfectly safe as you float off into space. Of course, as long as Congress don't also take your guns away you'll at least be able to steer until you run out of ammo.

  12. sorry 'bout that by jjeffries · · Score: 4, Funny

    what can I say... the damn things snagged my sweater during take-off, and I didn't want to say anything...

  13. Hmmm... What attracts Probes? by mod_parent_down · · Score: 4, Funny

    Uranus!

  14. Re:A bit of editing would have helped by jesser · · Score: 4, Funny
    My favorite affect/effect error was on a flyer at my college:

    Try this exercise to explore your relationships and how they are effected by alcohol.


    ("Effect" as a verb means "to bring about or execute".)
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  15. not looking forward... by Ubergrendle · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...to the inevitable discovery of a monolith and a solar baby.

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  16. That's no Moon... by Pii · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's a SPACE STATION!!!

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  17. Funny coincident by Dexter77 · · Score: 5, Funny

    After reading the article I had a flashback about old computer games, where "mysterious force" would tug you back when you reached the end of the area.

    How funny it would be if our world ended after Pluto and the stars would only be 'a painted backcloth'. I wonder what kinda effect it would have on our society. Scientist would propably spend years trying to explaing the phenomena, until one day a human could travel to the edge and verify the obvious.

    Or maybe the aliens that run our world on their supercomputer have not yet coded the rest of the universe. Let's wait for few more years and see if 'the mysterious force' has been removed :)

    1. Re:Funny coincident by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      The "Rest of the Universe" expansion pack will be avaible in summer 2006.

  18. Re:A bit of editing would have helped by TGK · · Score: 2, Funny

    .... you can go about your business.

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  19. Re:Mysterious Force *Affects* Pioneer 10 & 11 by aelbric · · Score: 1, Funny

    It's not. It's unpossible.

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  20. Re:Laws of Physics by the+chao+goes+mu · · Score: 2, Funny

    Do you often find yourself bumping up against this limit? (Personally, even with mechanical help, I find about 100 kph, 27.8 m/s, to be the upper limit of my everyday velocity.)

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  21. Re:blask holes by Destoo · · Score: 4, Funny
    Black holes are where God divided by zero.
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  22. Re:Laws of Physics by the+chao+goes+mu · · Score: 5, Funny

    Or 1.79999x10^12 furlongs per fortnight for those who prefer still other units.

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  23. Re:Dissapointment by SomeoneGotMyNick · · Score: 1, Funny

    You'd hate to be millions of miles out, with the minimum amount of fuel, and suddenly realize you're going in the wrong direction


    You've never driven in West Virgina, have you?

  24. Faster! by bhima · · Score: 2, Funny

    The article talked about ideas for potential successor craft. All I have to say is I hope that they are a LOT faster!

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  25. Get ready to sell your Reynolds Wrap stock... by IronChefMorimoto · · Score: 3, Funny

    Let's see...in the past few weeks we've...

    1. been told about the possibility of other "Earth-sized" planets outside our solar system that MIGHT support life
    2. had a bit of an overhyped response to SETI communication efforts (foiled or not, I've not kept up with)
    3. and just found out that the Pioneer 10 and 11 space probes are being "held back" by mysterious forces that "might" be related to "dark matter"

    Sounds to me like it's time to sell your Reynolds Wrap (aluminum foil) stock soon, 'cause our alien overlords are f---ing around with us now that we've found their planet. Pretty soon, you won't need tinfoil hats to protect you from their mind control beams. You see, they won't waste time on tinfoil hat types -- because they make the best treats for their pet Glargian devourers.

    Those who sell their stock, while soon to be enslaved to the Zarlanian Horde, will at least know they had money to live it up before the invasion began in earnest.

    IronChefMorimoto
  26. By microwave bounce by davidag · · Score: 2, Funny

    An article at physicsweb.org says:

    When the craft were at distances of between 20 and 70 astronomical units, researchers found that the Doppler frequency of microwave signals that were bounced off the craft drifted at a small, constant rate

  27. Re:Mod parent up by jcostantino · · Score: 5, Funny

    Austria is that island where the toilets flush backwards, no?

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  28. DooD1!! by phyruxus · · Score: 2, Funny
    I can't wait to see the catholic church's explanations of this. One thing that is rare for them to admit is not knowing why something happens. They do have a very small and limited view of the universe and really don't know that much in the overall picture of things.

    :P

    Abbot: Your holiness, our physics research team has discovered the reason for the heretofore unknown force on the Pioneer probes.
    Pope: I KNEW we'd get to the bottom of that!

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  29. Maybe they are being probed by samberdoo · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think it is all the bad music and talk shows being broadcast for the past 10-15 years. That would hold anyone back.

  30. Sounds like a joke to me... by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 4, Funny


    Q: Why are pioneer 10 & 11 moving off course?

    A: Because dark matter sucks.
    A2: Because intersteller space sucks.
    A3: Because SCO sucks less, the farther away you get from it.

    I'm going to be here all week people, and the 10:00am show is completely different once I get my coffee.

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  31. Re:How do they track them? by Mordaximus · · Score: 1, Funny
    "...The last time a Pioneer 10 contact returned telemetry data was April 27, 2002. NASA has no additional contact attempts planned for Pioneer 10. "

    The big question is : How long until P'eer returns to Earth having amassed all of the knowledge of the Universe?

  32. No, Dude ... It's The COMET EMPIRE!! by saudadelinux · · Score: 5, Funny

    So, we have to raise the Yamato, outfit her with a Wave Motion Gun, and go out there and whup that ass!

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  33. Space Barnacles by nightsweat · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yep, Space Barnacles.

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  34. Fry was right all along! (ObFuturama Quote) by gotroot801 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Space, it seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you."

  35. Re:Radiation pressure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    If not send some probes out too further investigate the effect.

    That sounds like fun. To investigate this in a reasonable time, NASA can try to make the hot rod of probes. Make something to get out there as fast as possible. Like strap three ion engines to a chemical booster, do a hard slingshot around the sun, then keep the pedal to the metal all the way out to the heliopause.

    Naturally it will also have a few Type R stickers. Each one adds 1 m/s^2 y'know.

  36. Re:How do they track them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    P'eer is already back. He keeps resetting my connection on IRC.

  37. Re:for the love of god, by Nodatadj · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'd love to spend a penny on the /. "editors"

  38. Re:Laws of Physics by BeeRockxs · · Score: 5, Funny

    Personally, even with mechanical help, I find about 100 kph, 27.8 m/s, to be the upper limit of my everyday velocity.

    Here in Germany, we have the Autobahn.

  39. Re:Austria and Australia by Glen+Ponda · · Score: 5, Funny

    Er, no, actually. What's your point?

    My point was to use a stereotype to poke fun at a random stranger, thereby bolstering my own sense of self-worth by deflecting attention away from my own, numerous insecurities and enormous sense of inadequacy. This is quite common on slashdot; people usually get modded up for it. Hope you didn't take it personally...

  40. Re:The force! by Colonel+Cholling · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dark Matter is a theoretical concept we as to yet have not seen or detected.

    Well, yeah, isn't that why they call it "dark matter"?

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  41. Sounds like a joke to me...Attraction. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    "Q: Why are pioneer 10 & 11 moving off course?"

    They're being hit with earth's "don't leave us here" force.

    They left the water running back at NASA.

    The probes are all male, and will not ask for directions.

    Free beer at Alpha Centauri.

    Just a misunderstanding caused by them leaving their turn signals on for the last million miles.

    Another metric units mistake.

  42. explanation? by DrCash · · Score: 1, Funny
    I think what we're seeing is that the Pioneer spacecraft has gone so far in so long that it's developed its own sentient being, it's own consciousness. It is now altering its course and sending back messages claiming to be something called, "PNEER". In a seemingly unrelated story, the Voyager spacecraft is now calling itself, "VGER".

  43. Austrian Toilets? by handy_vandal · · Score: 3, Funny

    Austria is that island where the toilets flush backwards, no?

    Austria is an island, in the sense that it's surrounded by Europe.

    I'm not sure about Austrian toilets, but I'm afraid they may resemble German toilets.

    -kgj

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  44. Swapping and processing by saikou · · Score: 2, Funny

    The probes are temporary swapped out, while the Universe Emulator is loading necessary modules for areas outside of this Solar system. :)