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PDA Designed for the Great Outdoors

Paul Bawon writes "A company in UK called Node has developed the world's first consumer PDA designed for use specifically in outdoor environments. The device is fully waterproof to 3 meters, has a 8 hour battery life, built in DGPS receiver and 1 Gig of storage. Bluetooth and WiFi come as standard as does a touch screen and either a PocketPC or Linux operating system. I bumped into them at a tourism conference in Edinburgh where they were demo'ing the unit and I was impressed. It's smaller than a standard postcard."

257 comments

  1. Interesting... by solive1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's a nice concept. It looks like it can handle being shaken up a bit on the trails and dropped without hurting much. Only things I wonder about are how sturdy it is internally and how scratch-resistant the screen is. By the way... first post.

    1. Re:Interesting... by Paster+Of+Muppets · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Regarding the screen, it may be scratch resistant, but it's also touch screen. If it's designed for outdoor environments, wouldn't stray branches/falling leaves/rain drops get rather annoying for some if these keep being regarded as user mevements?

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    2. Re:Interesting... by bhtooefr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, I know that I had a serial touchpad that required a ground, not just pressure. If something that was grounded touched it, it registered a touch. If it wasn't grounded, it didn't know about it. So no rubber-soled shoes ;-)

      People are grounded. Raindrops and falling leaves aren't. Unfortunately, stray branches (unless they are falling, in which case you've got more to worry about than it messing with your screen anyway) ARE grounded.

    3. Re:Interesting... by igrp · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Only things I wonder about are how sturdy it is internally [...]

      That's a very good point.

      I enjoy hiking. A while ago, I was way out in the woods hiking with some friends of mine. A buddy of mine, had his Ericsson R310s phone with him. Now, this phone is ugly as hell. It's also not available here in the US (and seeing that it's a GSM 900/1800 phone, probably wouldn't work here either). But it's rugged. His phone was the only one that survived the trip.

      Most of our phones just died for no apparent reason (I assume it was due to the rain -- and it rains a lot in GB, believe me). After performing "cell phone CPR" on them (taking them apart, carefully cleaning them with alcohol, and letting sit in a warm room to dry), most of them eventually worked again though (which of course doesn't help if you're in a tight spot and need your phone to call for help).

      The point is, if you're outdoors and choose to rely on any electronic device (1) make sure that it works (test it; bring extra batteries; etc) and (2) always have a backup plan (if you have a GPS device, bring a map & compass anyway).
      Technology is very useful if you know what you're doing but you need be able to survive without it.

    4. Re:Interesting... by bmalnad · · Score: 0

      Yes. I want to be able to drop my PDA and have it survive, just like the thinkpad can.

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    5. Re:Interesting... by TheStruuus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have used these which have been around for a while (a repacked IPAQ).
      I'm not sure if >$1000 counts as consumer, but anyone can buy them. They have a touchscreen that is scratch resistant, but obviously not scratch-proof.

    6. Re:Interesting... by player+of+blues · · Score: 1

      What about the TDS Recon

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    7. Re:Interesting... by Kaa · · Score: 2, Funny

      Most of our phones just died for no apparent reason (I assume it was due to the rain -- and it rains a lot in GB, believe me).

      You know, there is this interesting invention called a "plastic bag". It even comes in a weird variety called a "ziplock". I've heard they can be useful for keeping the electronics dry even when it's raining. :-)

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    8. Re:Interesting... by Toresica · · Score: 1

      If I had one, and was going to bring it hiking, I'd probably make some sort of duct tape case for it. That keeps it clean, too. :p

      If I was canoeing, I'd keep it in a dry sack when not in use anyway.

    9. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      would be nice to have a "key lock" on this, just like mobile phones have

  2. Smaller than a postcard? by blueZ3 · · Score: 4, Funny

    If it's that thin, it would be easy to bend.

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    1. Re:Smaller than a postcard? by th1ckasabr1ck · · Score: 1, Offtopic
      Dude, get your quotes right:

      "Evil will always TRIUMPH, because Good is DUMB." - Dark Helmet

    2. Re:Smaller than a postcard? by Vague+but+True · · Score: 1

      "Evil will always TRIUMPH, because Good is DUMB." - Lord Helmet

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  3. WLAN and Bluetooth ? by mirko · · Score: 1

    Bluetooth and WiFi come as standard
    Have they improved their range *that much* ?

    Pretty impressive stuff otherwise but I am personally looking for a Tuzngsten C which has both the autonomy and the WLAN.

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    1. Re:WLAN and Bluetooth ? by cwebb1977 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, how does a geek define "outdoors" anyway? Definitely not outside his WLan range. I think it's a good idea to build portable stuff that survives a few drops and falls but it should be a standard feature by now, not a pay-extra one.

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    2. Re:WLAN and Bluetooth ? by mirko · · Score: 1

      Well, it's not mandatory for an outdoor-ready device to be fall-proof, otherwise there'd be very few outdoor photographies made...

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  4. no karma no whore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    from the site:
    Features
    Wireless networking
    400mhz xscale powered computing
    Colour screen 320 x 240 hi resolution
    Incredible low reflection screen
    Location aware technology
    Ultra long battery life - up to 6 hours
    Rubber easy grip design
    Changeable colours - choose from 265
    Easy clean screen and casing
    Robust durable casing maximising protection
    Changeable necklace strap, assists devise care
    Auto load software
    Hidden restart -button
    Water proof casing
    Simple charge options either dock or individual charge
    Expandable memory option
    Advertising and branding space on rear of devise
    Light weight casing design
    Lockable casing design
    Landscape screen
    Touch screen

    1. Re:no karma no whore by diginux · · Score: 1
      Advertising and branding space on rear of devise
      Finally! What will they think of next?
    2. Re:no karma no whore by millwall · · Score: 1

      320 x 240 hi resolution

      How is this "hi resolution"? My mobile phone has almost got higher resolution.

    3. Re:no karma no whore by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sounds like its perfect for using full Windows XP.

      Wireless networking - someone across the street 0wnz you.

      400mhz xscale powered computing - I'm sure I bought a 3.20ghz machine?

      Incredible low reflection screen - playing doom 3, 16.7million shades of black.

      Ultra long battery life - up to 6 hours - flat battery = reboot automatically :) time saving measure.

      Rubber easy grip design - for smashing it against a wall when it crashes - AGAIN!

      Changeable colours - choose from 265 - see, told you Windows gives you more.

      Easy clean screen and casing - after pr0n browsing.

      Robust durable casing maximising protection - see Rubber Grip above.

      Changeable necklace strap, assists devise care - so the linux/mac owners can avoid you.

      Auto load software - for an example, just take a look at this picture.

      Hidden restart -button - Windows will reboot itself for you - again, time saving.

      Water proof casing - see the pr0n browsing.

      Simple charge options either dock or individual charge - weekly or monthyl automatic withdrawals, dollars only.

      Expandable memory option - will remember the exact expletive used last time it crashed.

      Advertising and branding space on rear of deviseLight weight casing design - Where do you want it to land today?

      Lockable casing design - to match your padded cell.

      Landscape screen - look, more pretty pictures.

      Touch screen - interactive pr0n!!!

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    4. Re:no karma no whore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but it's an LG. That hardly counts.

    5. Re:no karma no whore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever so more than slightly off-topic, but since you're a customer of three, I was wondering what your coverage is like in general, and when it does use O2's service, does it cut out (whilst in the middle of a call) when busy with O2 customers?

    6. Re:no karma no whore by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, perfect except that XScale uses a post-ARM instruction set and XP is only available for x86, itanic, and x86-64 (pending).

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    7. Re:no karma no whore by ratpack91 · · Score: 1
      How is this "hi resolution"? My mobile phone has almost got higher resolution.

      err, your phone has less than half as many pixels.

      phone: 220x176 = 38720
      pda: 320x240 = 76800

  5. I wonder what it can survive? by keeleysam · · Score: 1

    If it survives my washing amchine i mnay get one... that seems to be ap roblem with me... wasjing my electronics!

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    1. Re:I wonder what it can survive? by kayak334 · · Score: 5, Funny

      It looks like drinking in the morning might be a bigger problem. :)

    2. Re:I wonder what it can survive? by ottergoose · · Score: 1

      Doesn't look like your keyboard passed that test.

      Seriously though, haven't we seen armored palm pilots before?

    3. Re:I wonder what it can survive? by Ba3r · · Score: 1

      I was gonna say, it looks like he washed his keyboard.. but that was probably due to drinking in the morning, so you are right anyway

    4. Re:I wonder what it can survive? by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      Drinking in the morning causes problems by 12:10AM.....I picture a small guy in the basement, who drinks one light beer a week. And he just emptied a whole bottle of vodka.

  6. Excessive features? by EvilGoodGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sounds like being an outdoors PDA, it wouldn't really need the WiFi, but I guess it would be useful when your at home. Sounds a little like they were just cranking up the price a bit on that one. But none the less, this is one sweet PDA. Think of going hiking with some buddies, and even if your seperated, if you've all got bluetooth, you can still stay in communication. Deffinitely a must have for and outdoor geek.

    1. Re:Excessive features? by inkdesign · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you were separated from your hiking partners, I wouldn't rely on Bluetooth anything to stay in touch. Just not enough range to be practical at all for that kind of use.

    2. Re:Excessive features? by davidmcn · · Score: 1

      The wifi on the otherhand might make it useful in that situation though.

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    3. Re:Excessive features? by Morgahastu · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not only for the outdoors. The site explains it's also designed for indoor attractions. It's targetted for the tourism industry.

      For example: You go to Yosemite National Park in the USA and you can borrow one of these when you enter and it has all sorts of information on the park and landmarks placed on the map for you to go see (including washrooms an d gift shops!)

      Or you go to a large museum and you borrow one to get a map of all the attractions and maybe some accompanying text/voice info on whatever exhibit you're nearest to.

      Oh and back to my point: The wireless would be to remain on the network at an indoor location or possibly in some outdoor areas.

    4. Re:Excessive features? by Scutter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      it wouldn't really need the WiFi

      But if it *didn't* have WiFi, you'd see /. complaints that it was lacking. Personally, I'd rather have it over-featured than under.

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    5. Re:Excessive features? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're much better off under those conditions to have a talkabout radio or some similar device. Range of 2-5 miles (depending on whether you get the FCC license for the 5-mile range or not), and you can talk rather than having to type/graffiti. The GPS is useful if you get separated, although my buddy's standalone GPS unit has trouble getting a signal through the trees for some reason.

    6. Re:Excessive features? by haroldK · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Or you go to a large museum and you borrow one to get a map of all the attractions and maybe some accompanying text/voice info on whatever exhibit you're nearest to.

      Actually, when the Smithsonian was touring in '97 (may have been '96 or '98), they had Newtons to do this job. It was a pretty neat way of getting people through with more info than was on the placcards without having to have tour guides. There was both audio and text.

    7. Re:Excessive features? by digitalgiblet · · Score: 2, Funny
      "Think of going hiking with some buddies, and even if your seperated, if you've all got bluetooth, you can still stay in communication."

      If you are within BlueTooth(TM) distance, wouldn't you also be within shouting distance? Or are we assuming deaf hikers here? Of course most small device BlueTooth(TM) range is around 30 feet or so, so they should be able to see one another as well. Unless they are blind as well as deaf. In which case I'm not sure how they will use the UI.

      I'd recommend that said blind/deaf hikers simply use rope to tie themselves together.

      Here ends my lame attempt at humor...

    8. Re:Excessive features? by HalfStarted · · Score: 2, Interesting
      While the node explorer is cool... the Garmin Rino 130 is a much more useful device:
      • 12-channel, WAAS-enabled GPS receiver
      • Transmit power: 1 watt on high power (for GMRS channels), .5 watt for low power (FRS channels)
      • Transmit distance: up to 2 miles using FRS, up to 5 miles with GMRS
      • 14 FRS channels, 8 GMRS channels, and 8 GMRS repeater channels
      • 38 sub-audible squelch codes per transmission channel for semi-private radio communications
      • Electronic compass displays accurate heading while standing still
      • Barometric sensor with automatic pressure trend recording
      • Detects up to 7 NOAA weather channels with weather alert tones
      • External voice activation (VOX)
      • Waterproof to IPX-7 standards (immersible in one meter of water for up to 30 minutes)
      • Ergonomic design for one-handed operation, with Call and Press-To-Talk (PTT) and Page mode buttons on the side,
      • Power/Backlighting button on top, Volume and Zoom buttons on front, and center Thumb Stick
      • Unique Thumb Stick for channel selection and volume adjustment in FRS/GMRS mode, and quick map panning, enter and selection functions in GPS mode
      • Sends and receives GPS location using FRS channels and shows them on the map
      • Stores up to 500 way points, with graphic identification and 20 reversible routes
      • Robust track log: 10,000 track points and up to 20 saved tracks to retrace user's path or companion's path via location-reporting feature
      • Trip computer with speed tracking, sunrise/sunset read out, trip time, and trip distance
      • Includes a polling feature which allows a user to manually request GPS location information from other Rino units
      • Sends and receives short text notes for quiet communication
      • Built-in base map for North and South America
      • 24-MB internal memory for loading MapSource detail, including U.S. Topo 24K, U.S. Topo, Recreational Lakes, BlueChart®, and MetroGuide®.
      • Battery life of 14 hours (typical use) on three AA alkaline batteries
      • Backlit display
      • More than 10 position formats and over 100 map datums
      • Multiple grid formats including MGRS and Loran TD

      Rino 130 for a geek that loves the outdoors
      Node Explorer for a geek that needs to be distracted from the outdoors.

      Oh... anyone that has uses GMRS/FRS/HAM radio knows that local topology and vegetation can have a huge impact on the range of .5 and 1 watt units (in some cases cutting down miles to hundreds of yards). Bluetooth, even WiFi, will not do a whole lot to keep you in touch if you are separated... those protocols will stop working about the same time you lose site of your buddy if not sooner.
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    9. Re:Excessive features? by Glock27 · · Score: 1
      While the node explorer is cool... the Garmin Rino 130 is a much more useful device

      Except for the fact that you can't program a custom application such as a virtual tourguide, or run any other software that might come in handy.

      Two entirely different beasts...

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    10. Re:Excessive features? by TimeTrav · · Score: 1

      Bluetooth is designed for short-range communication, such as a headset on your head to a cell phone on your belt. Its not designed for long ranges, so if you got seperated from your buddies, bluetooth wont help you much there.

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  7. Oh yeah? by Underholdning · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "It's smaller than a standard postcard."
    /me sets mode +rant
    No it's not. Two of the three dimensions are smaller than a postcard, but so are the flag pole I have in my back yard. Comparisons like that are useless.
    /me sets mode -rant

    1. Re:Oh yeah? by transient · · Score: 1

      Sounds like someone has a case of the Tuesdays!

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    2. Re:Oh yeah? by fracai · · Score: 0

      This isn't insightful. How many people here didn't understand the postcard comment? Did anyone actually think that it would be thinner than a postcard? I certainly didn't think of a flag pole when I read the comparison.

      The product is thicker than I expected but it's about the size that seems comfortable for its intended use.

      Smaller than a postcard and about an inch thick would have been more descriptive, but I fail to see how this got you all hot and bothered. Got burned buying a mattress that as "bigger than a King size (in 2 dimensions only)" did you?

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    3. Re:Oh yeah? by pklinken · · Score: 0

      ah stfu.. it's obvious what he/she means!

    4. Re:Oh yeah? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Personally, I was wondering how big that was in credit cards...

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    5. Re:Oh yeah? by DigitalRaptor · · Score: 1

      Stop being nit-picky. We regularly hear something is "the size of a postage-stamp", but we don't expect it to be as THIN as a postage stamp, do we?

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    6. Re:Oh yeah? by Politburo · · Score: 1

      Comparisons like that are useless.

      It's perfectly useful. The author made the assumption that we would take 'the size of a postcard' to mean 'the length and width of a postcard, and the depth of a PDA'. It's marketing, not a specification.

    7. Re:Oh yeah? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      How about: "Its footprint is smaller than a standard postcard."

  8. MMORG! by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

    The "Node Explorer" looks like something you can buy in one of the MMORGs.

    and the name I thought it was designed for porn hunting.

    Still, it looks cool and sturdy enough to throw in the bottom of a bag and frisbee it from a cliff or whatever.

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  9. Nice by L3on · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A very nice product, although 8 hour battery life is somewhat lacking for a GPS. Garmin has a similar product: http://www.garmin.com/products/iQue3200/ but it's not as beefy. I still don't understand why you need to check your email and appointments out on the trail...

    1. Re:Nice by garcia · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I still don't understand why you need to check your email and appointments out on the trail...

      Depends on what you are doing on the trail... How about geocaching (logging, cache page loading, etc)? How about photo blogging from the tail so that people can track your progress with only a small delay? How about tracking/sending information about the trail/terrain conditions live?

      I could go on.

      A PDA with a network connection doesn't necessitate email.

    2. Re:Nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about just paying attention to the trail?

    3. Re:Nice by R2.0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "I still don't understand why you need to check your email and appointments out on the trail..."

      Because it will spend 95% of its time in a standard environment, doing regular PDA tasks but looking "rugged" - just like SUV's.

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    4. Re:Nice by ediron2 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      ROFLMAO:
      A very nice product, although 8 hour battery life is somewhat lacking for a GPS. Garmin has a similar product: http://www.garmin.com/products/iQue3200/ but it's not as beefy
      Now, from Garmin's specs for the iQue3200:
      PowerSource: Lithium-ion battery

      Battery Life: Approximately 2 weeks standby time or approximately 16 days if used an average of 30 minutes per day with backlight off. Battery life will vary depending upon backlight level, temperature, and individual use patterns.

      So... the garmin runs for 8 hours, too.

      If *ever* there was a slashdot storyline that profoundly demonstrated how stupid the slashmob mentality is, this is it. The mob has grumbled about

      • The poor battery life (when, in fact, 8 *hours* of gadget-use is about the norm for brief-use devices like pdas and gps and the talk-time ratings for cell phones)
      • taking devices camping
      • the poor ruggedization of other devices
      • of how this is less valuable than outdoor skills
      • military use
      • outdoor screen readability of other devices
      • Wireless internet while camping
      • how people need to disconnect when they go camping
      • it'll only be useful to wilderness guides who, lacking any outdoor skills, will need this to show peeps where they are on a map (ow, my sides hurt)
      • The need for portable rechargability
      • Windows XP prospects
      • That it is available in too many colors
      • raindrops/branches vs. touchscreens
      • The poor range of bluetooth increasing the risk you could 'lose' your hiking companions (oh... migod! Bluetooth? How about just *shouting*?!)
      • Doesn't need wifi
      • Other devices are similar enough that this one is useless (WTF? Since when has anything been governed by a one-size-fits-all market?)
      There are a thousand interesting things to note on this product, and a few were well-addressed in the above context (interesting uses in military, museum, and ruggedized-portable-gadget markets; programmability of this one is an improvement over the Garmin Rino; outdoor screen readability needs attention on a lot of devices: how does this one do?; etc). But that sort of intelligent commentary is just *gone* in the noise. What scares me is that the noise is mod-4 or higher.
    5. Re:Nice by jdonnis · · Score: 1

      Well the real life battery time on the Garmin a friend of mine bought is much closer to 2 hours than to 8, so if this one REALLY gives you 8 hrs running the GPS it's pretty good (it appears that it is the GPS thing sucking the battery dry).

  10. Applications? by samtihen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wow. I think that is pretty cool. It is obviously a bit bigger than what you would expect from a PDA, but it might have interesting applications for forest rangers or nautical police.

    1. Re:Applications? by mysterious_mark · · Score: 1

      see http://www.snowpilot.org, free and open source software snow science data collection. Mark

  11. And the extras include... by mikael · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... a built-in swiss army knife.

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    1. Re:And the extras include... by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      It also includes a pad of paper and a pencil in case the batteries die.

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    2. Re:And the extras include... by Kehvarl · · Score: 1

      But is that the one with, or without the USB drive?

  12. first Consumer PDA by gbjbaanb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    because ruggedised PDAs have been around for ages - example is the Panasonic toughbook which they target at industrial and 'law enforcement' customers (ie, has to be rugged enough to be used to subdue violent suspects).

    The industrial ones are very expensive as the customers can afford to buy them.. is this the difference between them and this new Consumer model?

    1. Re:first Consumer PDA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "subdue violent suspects"

      What? So they should be able to use these things to knock someone out with too? Talk about aggressive design :)

    2. Re:first Consumer PDA by nytes · · Score: 1

      It uses a new variant of TCP/IP connection called "aggressive negotiation".

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    3. Re:first Consumer PDA by Politburo · · Score: 1

      ie, has to be rugged enough to be used to subdue violent suspects

      Don't the police have better tools for this? Like guns and batons? Why buy a $3,000 club? That link looks like the kind of device they use to write parking tickets.

    4. Re:first Consumer PDA by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      looks like the kind of device they use to write parking tickets.

      which is what they will have in their hands when the disgruntled motorist decides he doesn't want a ticket after all.

      Besides, from my experience with policemen (we supply these things to UK forces) they don't treat them with as much respect as a normal PDA requires.

  13. Field charger? by Geek_3.3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A portable field charger that doesn't require external battery source (solar, hand crank, whatever) would have been nice. That, or some sort of long lasting methanol fuel cell. I mean, if you're really gonna use this thing in the great outdoors doing forestry surveys or something, I would imagine that having an alternative charging source would have been nice to have. '6 hours ain't a whole day of battery life in my book...'

    1. Re:Field charger? by dykofone · · Score: 1
      I can't find anything about it, but for the life of me I seem to recall some device putting a solar panel behind the LCD screen. This device seems like a great application for that.

      But good point on 6 hours not being much. I would see myself using this thing to hold topo maps with waypoints and taking notes on a multi-day hike. But after the first day I'll have to find one of those trees with the 120V outlet..

    2. Re:Field charger? by plopez · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In relation to that, how does it perform at low temperatures? Low temps kill batteries which is why for 4 years my company has looked at hand held field units and for 4 years the answer was 'not yet'.

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    3. Re:Field charger? by BridgeGarth · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The item's site seems to state that it is designed as an aid for visitors. ie. it seems to me it is designed as a kind of electronic, position aware, guidebook for tourist sites. Not a device geared towards hiking, etc. The 6 hour battery life would therefore seem quite adequate.

    4. Re:Field charger? by SpaceTaxi · · Score: 1

      My thoughts exactly. How the devise operates in low temperatures would be the primary issue for field work in winter.

    5. Re:Field charger? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just find a current bush. Or use the outlet of a lake...

    6. Re:Field charger? by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 2, Funny

      What if you... turned it off?? *gasp*

      An 8 hour battery doesn't lose charge in 8 hours when it's not under load.

    7. Re:Field charger? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      In journalism school, they taught us to stick the camera battery in our armpits during the winter time to warm it up for use. Another option is those "hot shots" chemical hand warmers.

    8. Re:Field charger? by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I modified a motorola freeplay cellphone charger to charge my Sharp Zaurus while in the Wild. it works great, and coupled with a roll-up solar panel I have on the top of my pack I can charge it or the AA batteries I have for my GPS and LED flashlights.

      I find that if I disable the backlight and do all my journal entries and photographs in the daytime the zaurus can easily go 2 days without needing a battery top-off. My magellan Gold gps on the other hand eat's batteries like there is no tommorow.

      A backpacker that is clever enough can make what he/she needs for computing in the wild easily. and certianly light enough.

      as for durability, the zaurus is quite durable if you are sane with it. I do not need to have it out in my hand while mountian climbing or most situations. Ususally it only comes out of the pack when we set up camp or if I really need to write something or empty a CF card from the camera (I have a pair of 1gig SD cards for holding photos from a week vacation.) at a lunch break or stop.

      and at the price diference I can keep a case of new SL-5600's to replace broken ones for the price of one of these.

      --
      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    9. Re:Field charger? by Geek_3.3 · · Score: 1

      Ever make mistakes? You know, like leaving the light on in your house after leaving? Leave the stove on unattended? Leave on an expensive, rugged PDA on while out in the wild w/o using it? My schtick is that if you happen to leave the thing on in the middle of nowhere, you're up a creek w/o an outlet.

    10. Re:Field charger? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Ever make mistakes? [...] My schtick is that if you happen to leave the thing on in the middle of nowhere, you're up a creek w/o an outlet.
      Yeah, and you can accidentally drop your compass and break it. So what? Bad things can happen no matter what kind of technology you're using. If you're stupid enough to put yourself in a situation where you might die if the batteries run out, or if you break your compass, or if your field charger doesn't work for whatever reason, then it's your own fault. Don't blame the technology because you expected it to be something other than what it is.
    11. Re:Field charger? by Geek_3.3 · · Score: 1

      Or you could just be mauled by a bear out in the wild... Or you could have a boulder fall on you... Or you could have a chunk of flaming space debris fall on you while out...

      yeesh people.

  14. Slashdotting by Jon+Langridge · · Score: 3, Informative

    Site seems to be under the influence of, well, us. Here's google's HTML version (cached) of the Node Explorer product info sheet: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:0ycwbWxgTh8J: www.nodeexplore.com/pdfs/NodeExplorer_v2_020904.pd f+nodeexplore&hl=en

    1. Re:Slashdotting by Jon+Langridge · · Score: 1
      Let's try that again:

      Google's HTML cache of the PDF is here.

  15. Nice job speedy... by EvilGoodGuy · · Score: 1

    Erm, please look at the link. It is obivously much thicker than a postcard. RTFA.

  16. Hehe by llamalicious · · Score: 1

    smaller than a standard postcard

    All I can picture is Seamus Harper with a porn Flexy.

  17. These are invaluable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Outdoor PDAs are truly invaluable. I don't understand why anyone would buy one. If I want to go outdoors, I sure as hell don't want to be near any electronics.

    In this day and age with computerized everything, sometimes it feels good just to get away from it all. This device doesn't let me do that. It does let me use GPS which I guess would help when I get lost, but so does my watch which is smaller, lighter, and less to think about when hiking.

    This device is sans value.

    Dancin Santa

    1. Re:These are invaluable by shumacher · · Score: 1
      Outdoor PDAs are truly invaluable. I don't understand why anyone would buy one. If I want to go outdoors, I sure as hell don't want to be near any electronics.


      So, which is it? Invaluable, or incomprehensible?
    2. Re:These are invaluable by Trigun · · Score: 1

      They're sans value for you. A rugged PDA may be useful to people who spend their days in factories, or even (gasp) setting up wi-fi antennas.

      I had to trade in my cellphone for an ugly ruggedized one because I was destroying it slowly. It's part of the job. You spend time climbing through ceilings doing wiring, up on building roofs pointing antennas, or a million other little jobs that come up, you don't want to be getting undressed every time because you're afraid of ruining your expensive kit.

    3. Re:These are invaluable by Minderbinder106 · · Score: 2, Informative

      invaluable
      adj.

      Of inestimable value; priceless: invaluable paintings; invaluable help.

    4. Re:These are invaluable by SpooForBrains · · Score: 1

      Outdoor PDAs are truly invaluable

      Word of the day toilet paper?

      --
      "The dew has clearly fallen with a particularly sickening thud this morning"
    5. Re:These are invaluable by minus9 · · Score: 1

      "Outdoor PDAs are truly invaluable."

      I think you mean uninvaluable.

      "If I want to go outdoors, I sure as hell don't want to be near any electronics."

      I don't think they plan on making them compulsory.

    6. Re:These are invaluable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you said the opposite of what you meant.

      Main Entry: invaluable
      valuable beyond estimation : PRICELESS

      invaluable
      Of inestimable value; priceless: invaluable paintings; invaluable help.

      Invaluable \In*val"u*a*ble\, a. Valuable beyond estimation; inestimable; priceless; precious.

    7. Re:These are invaluable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      priceless - worthless - why it is not the same?

    8. Re:These are invaluable by varuul · · Score: 1

      Ok where do I get one of the pennyless PDA's????

  18. Is it just me? by spin2cool · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or do people ususally go the the great outdoors to get away from this kind of stuff.

    Schedules, appointments, who cares! My favorite part of backpacking is not knowing or caring what time it is!

    1. Re:Is it just me? by EvilGoodGuy · · Score: 1

      As my father says, "You aren't truely on vacation until you forget what day it is."
      But also keep in mind that not every weekend adventuerer needs or will have one. I think this is mostly going to be going into the hands of small expeditions and the likes. But there will always be the geek who just can't stand not having one. I want one now, and I don't even hike.

    2. Re:Is it just me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Absolutely correct. There is still no substitute for a map and compass. Pity the fool who goes out with only a GPS and no map+compass. We all know how expensive things get broken / run out of battery / dropped off the side of mountains.

    3. Re:Is it just me? by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 1

      While I agree that you should still have a map and compass, how do you in the wilderness just start breaking things? There's a thing called an otterbox that can prevent just that but with normal Pocket PC's and Palms. The military also uses ruggedized PocketPCs (also for sale to non-military, but with out the Top Secret addons and software) in the field. Most of the ruggedized PocketPC's can take being dropped off of a cliff and also being submerged, stood on, ground into the mud....etc.

      You CAN make a GPS or other device that will withstand the rigors of the outdoors. The only thing stopping you is the battery.

      But your right....the Map and Compass should still be along for the hike.

      --

      Gorkman

    4. Re:Is it just me? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The only real use I can see for something like this (besides military, and they're working on their own solutions there) is for wilderness guides and such. They'll need some way to keep the batteries up on long hauls, but on a hike it would be cool to be able to show people where they were on a map and so on, and eight hours of life is plenty.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    5. Re:Is it just me? by volsung · · Score: 1
      Some people work outside. I know an archaeologist who would kill for one of these gizmos to do data-logging in the field.

      Bonus points if it can be powered on alcoholic beverages. Alcohol seems to be cheaper and easier to come by in strange places than batteries, electricity, or fuel.

    6. Re:Is it just me? by TheWizardOfCheese · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Or do people ususally go the the great outdoors to get away from this kind of stuff

      It's just you. Most people avoid actual contact with the great outdoors, but still want the aura of ruggedness and independence that comes with it. The same people who love SUV's will love SUPDA's.

      --

      "The good reader is a rarer swan than the good writer."
    7. Re:Is it just me? by vaguelyamused · · Score: 1

      That is unless you work outdoors. Then this would be great. I work in EMS, but this would be applicable to any public safety agency...Fire Dept, Law enforcement, utility workers, etc. Also wet, cold and dangerous environments can exist indoors also.

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      STOP ROCK VIDEO
  19. What?! Why are the batteries dead? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ok! Whose been playing Tetris on the gps unit again?!

    Some things shouldn't be combined together, especially if you have to depend on it.

  20. RTFA yourself... by blueZ3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Both the article summary and the company's site say "smaller than a postcard" which is obviously a ridiculous statement - two dimensions pretty much tell you nothing about the size of the device... it could be 3" x 5" x 25" and still be "the size of a postcard"

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    1. Re:RTFA yourself... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Shame on the other poster for thinking it a good idea to argue semantics and dimensions with someone whose Slashdot nick serves only to advertise their metal penis replacement. You show 'em, speedy!

    2. Re:RTFA yourself... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your jealousy is so transparent.

  21. Simple by stormyotaku · · Score: 1

    Just get an aluminum case for your Tungsten C. :P, THERE, INDESTRUCTIBLE.

    1. Re:Simple by EvilGoodGuy · · Score: 1

      "...THERE, INDESTRUCTIBLE."

      *snicker*

      Do you perhaps mean they are?
      Sorry, happened to me when I made a typo. Got a response immediately. :\

    2. Re:Simple by shumacher · · Score: 1
      Perhaps it's meant like this:
      Add two cups water, bring to a boil.
      Add noodles.
      Cook for three minutes, stirring occasionally.
      Take off heat. Stir in contents of seasoning packet.
      There! Ramen!!
  22. 8 Hours = Useless by pete-classic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sorry guys, I have to go plug my PDA/GPS into my tent.

    A PDA with 8 hours of battery life is useless. A GPS with 8 hours of battery life is dangerous.

    Eeew.

    -Peter

    1. Re:8 Hours = Useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful


      A PDA with 8 hours of battery life is useless. A GPS with 8 hours of battery life is dangerous.


      A person who would consider the GPS failing to be "dangerous" doesn't belong outdoors. (Not bashing GPS use, I use one all the time. But I wouldn't stake my safety on it)

      Hint: Don't go anywhere that you can't make it back from without batteries.

    2. Re:8 Hours = Useless by mobby_6kl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Alright, on /. it's normal to say things are useless just because you don't need them (any PDA story a year ago, for example). This thing is usesless to me because I don't go outide, you insensitive clod!

      Not everyone goes outside for weeks. Unless you would be using it nonstop for those 8 hours, it would last a few days. My PDA has an official battery life of about 12 hours but I charge it once a week. Besides, if you're planning on using it for 8+ hours straight, why not just stay home?

    3. Re:8 Hours = Useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'd be ecstatic if my PDA had an 8 hour running time, with the screen on, and the cpu maxed out. Of course if I'm just using my PDA for checking my calendar, taking a few notes, recording the odd memo, that type of thing... the battery lasts for a couple of weeks. But that's not what they're talking about!

    4. Re:8 Hours = Useless by pete-classic · · Score: 1

      As it happens, I'm an Eagle Scout and was US Army Airborne. I know how to use a topo map and compass. I know how to behave sensibly when I don't have access to either.

      I expect that a large portion of the target audience for this thing doesn't have these skills.

      -Peter

    5. Re:8 Hours = Useless by pete-classic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your innocence is touching. The fact is that the device's specs say that it runs for "up to 6 hours." (Bold and italics are both mine.) My marketing-speak interpreter tells me that if you depend on this thing for navigation you're going to be in a world of hurt if you ever decide to use the backlight.

      -Peter

    6. Re:8 Hours = Useless by pete-classic · · Score: 1

      Are you sure? The specs actually say that it is good for "up to" six hours. I think that you're being overly optimistic.

      -Peter

    7. Re:8 Hours = Useless by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      How much of the target audience leaves their basement, anyway?

    8. Re:8 Hours = Useless by Simulant · · Score: 1

      So what PDA do you use then?

      All the new wizbang color pda's I've played with only get 2-3 hours max.

      I really prefer my old b&w Visor for exactly this reason.

    9. Re:8 Hours = Useless by pete-classic · · Score: 1

      I have a Palm m500. It's b&w. The battery it is starting to go a bit soft. If I leave it off the charger for more than a week or so it goes dead. It used to be good for at least two.

      -Peter

    10. Re:8 Hours = Useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean their "moms" basement!

    11. Re:8 Hours = Useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why you bring extra batteries, dufus.

    12. Re:8 Hours = Useless by Simulant · · Score: 1

      Get a Visor then. You can get 'em real cheap now. They take AAAs and you can use rechargables if you like. You will never go dead because you can get them anywhere in the world. Plus, the throwaways don't lose their charge significantly if you don't use it for a long period of time. (years even)

      I typically change batteries every three to four weeks. Normal use includes 15-20 minutes of Bejewled every day plus 5-10 data lookups or entries.

  23. Waterproof? by MogwaiJeeper · · Score: 4, Funny

    Slashdot in the shower! Geocaching in a lake!! PORN IN THE BATHTUB!!!

    1. Re:Waterproof? by RicochetRita · · Score: 1
      ...Geocaching in a lake!!

      But only for sufficiently shallow definitions of "Lake."

      R

      --
      Stuff that matters: circuitbreakers, vacuum-cleaners coffee makers, calculators generators, matching salt+pepper shakers
    2. Re:Waterproof? by Kehvarl · · Score: 1

      perhaps he was simply referring to a suitably large "puddle" and got confused?

  24. Also Check out Terralogic by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 1
  25. In outdoors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    PDA designed for use specifically in outdoor environments

    That's a funny way of saying outside - anyone want to turn on the babble fish translator from earlier today to read what I am actually saying.
    Technically correct, I guess, since you go inside the door to go in doors; therefore you would go in to the out door to go outside (or is it out the in door). Thus you are never out of anything but inside of something be it indoors or inoutdoors.

    1. Re:In outdoors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Your English teacher must be proud.

      In that sentence, the preposition "in" was referring to the noun "environments" which was being modified by the adjective "outdoor."

      This is why we have a structure called a "sentence." We use this amazing grammatical device to string together multiple words into a single conveyed thought. It's not necessary that a couple random words taken out of the sentence's context make sense in and of themselves, as long as the sentence as a whole is accurate.

    2. Re:In outdoors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you implying that "... PDA designed for use specifically outside environments" is more correct? It's one thing to butcher the English language yourself, but to criticize those who use the language correctly is just stupid. And the fact that your comment has somehow been modded "Interesting" is even worse. Not only are you being openly stupid, but you have followers.

  26. Woo! It's about time! by shumacher · · Score: 2, Funny

    Finally! Geeks don't have to go offline to take a shower!!! Future -cons will smell better! I'll never miss another slashdot frist prost!

    Waterproof and WiFi... Geek dreams...

  27. Project: PDA by dexter+riley · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yes, but is it bear-proof?

    1. Re:Project: PDA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Yes, but is it bear-proof?


      No. Hence the warning not to smear the batteries with peanut butter before installation

  28. Lacking but decent by EvilGoodGuy · · Score: 1

    Hey an 8 hour battery life may seem lacking for the great outdoors, but there's a good chance you will not have it on all of the time that you're kicking, that is just not needed. And compared to my Dell Axim X3i, I wish I could get 8 hours. 2 if I'm lucky playing SNES Roms.

  29. Target audience? by thopkins · · Score: 2, Funny

    The whole product assumes that geeks even go outside, and I'm not sure that it happens. ;)

    1. Re:Target audience? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guys,
      If you look at the site, you'll see that Node are selling it part of a solution for tourist attractions, not as a consumer pda.

    2. Re:Target audience? by GarethSwan · · Score: 1

      Geeks do have to go outside nowadays - To smoke, dammit !!

      --
      People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it is easier to harass rich women than motorcycle gangs
  30. The options are limitless by Malluck · · Score: 0

    The nice rugged body and wireless abilities would lend itself nicely to war-driving, war-camping, war-hunting, and war-backpacking. The wirelss might be useful for comunicating between backpackers.

    I just hope this thing is more rugged than my Garmin E-legend. The screen on mine gets all wonky every now and then, but it can be fixed with a 'technical' tap.

  31. What the heck kind of camping is that? by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I was invited to go camping with some friends of my wife's. They go several times a year to this same place. When I got there, I discovered that almost everyone in the campsite had an RV and a boat (it was near a lake). Since I grew up where camping meant chopping up a dead tree to make fire in order to boil water so it was clean, the notion that this was even called "camping" bothered me. That's not the point (which makes everyone wonder why I posted it in the first place).

    The campsite advertised wireless Internet access.

    To me, electronics and wilderness are almost always mutually exclusive. Other than GPS and maybe a cell phone, I can't imagine the need to be connected. It would be like taking my laptop to the Bahamas so I could read Slashdot. Sorry, but a vacation isn't a vacation if you're still doing work.

    1. Re:What the heck kind of camping is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Since when is reading slashdot work?

    2. Re:What the heck kind of camping is that? by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      Those kinds of campgrounds are called "Very drafty living rooms".

      I never understood the desire to duplicate your home on a patch of dirt. This is usually accompanied by alcohol. Why not just stay and home and get drunk, cook steaks and watch TV? I think the fun is to see how LITTLE you can go on.

      --
      It is by the juice of the coffee bean that thoughts acquire speed, the teeth acquire stains. The stains become a warning
    3. Re:What the heck kind of camping is that? by lucifuge31337 · · Score: 1

      Since I grew up where camping meant chopping up a dead tree to make fire in order to boil water so it was clean, the notion that this was even called "camping" bothered me.

      I own an RV....a travel trailer, to be exact. I also don't consider it to be camping, and I really dislike when people call it that. Watching sattelite tv while I eat microwave popcorn is hardly camping. I don't know what it is...but I enjoy it. But its definitely not camping.

      --
      Do not fold, spindle or mutilate.
    4. Re:What the heck kind of camping is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I spent all day hiking and taking digital pix. At night, I downloaded them to a laptop. When we drove to another hiking site, I charged batteries using an inverter. I hiked a mountain with a digital camera and tripod on my back. It was the only way my wife would ever see what it looked like at the top!

      Still lived in a tent, cooked and ate outdoors, and spent most of the time climbing hills and smiling at porcupines, woodpeckers and other fauna.

    5. Re:What the heck kind of camping is that? by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 1

      RV's are nice. You COULD call this camping, but I agree...it's tenting and reduced technology for me. However, I do always bring my PDA, cell phone, digital camera and camcorder, I do, however leave my TV at home usually unless you count the crappy B&W TV built into my flashlight. Would I by a dish just for camping? Oh HELL no. I tend to use camping as a way of reducing my hotel cost. I can camp for 20 a night and the best I could do on average for a room is 50 a night and thats if it's 20 miles away. So I am not totally aginst getting a RV, but I would not have the bus conversion type of RV with the full bedroom and lots of expensive things like a plasma tv I have seen in some RV's. The regular diesl pushers are expensive enough.

      --

      Gorkman

    6. Re:What the heck kind of camping is that? by Seanasy · · Score: 1

      My new favorite oxymoron is 'car camping.' Don't forget your rake, charcoal and gazebo.

  32. Obligatory "we're all geeks" bashing by potus98 · · Score: 4, Funny

    What is this "outdoors" of which you speak? Does it look like my screensaver?

    --
    This one gang kept wanting me to join cause I'm pretty good with a bo staff.
    1. Re:Obligatory "we're all geeks" bashing by randyflood · · Score: 1



      Haven't you ever went out the gate in South Bastok to the Battlefield? You know, where all the monsters are?

      Oh wait, you mean real life isn't Final Fantasy XI?

      --
      Randy.Flood@RHCE2B.COM
    2. Re:Obligatory "we're all geeks" bashing by cyber0ne · · Score: 1

      What is this "outdoors" of which you speak?

      This PDA was designed for use in that very large room with the blue ceiling. You know, the room where they keep all the people we don't like.

      --
      http://publicvoidlife.blogspot.com
    3. Re:Obligatory "we're all geeks" bashing by supmylO · · Score: 1
    4. Re:Obligatory "we're all geeks" bashing by Explet1ve! · · Score: 1

      From the MIT jargon file, version 3.2.0: :Big Room, the: n. The extremely large room with the blue ceiling and intensely bright light (during the day) or black ceiling with lots of tiny night-lights (during the night) found outside all computer installations. "He can't come to the phone right now, he's somewhere out in the Big Room."

  33. coralized link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coralized Link
    Just in case

  34. Cluster and GPS by diginux · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wonder if it would be possible to cluster 3 units together using the bluetooth or WiFi, then using the GPS on each one to use the differential algorithms to triangulate the position like more expensive professional GPS products do.

    1. Re:Cluster and GPS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it says it comes with DGPS, so it should be pretty damn accurate, like within a meter already..

    2. Re:Cluster and GPS by lucifuge31337 · · Score: 1

      I wonder if it would be possible to cluster 3 units together using the bluetooth or WiFi, then using the GPS on each one to use the differential algorithms to triangulate the position like more expensive professional GPS products do.

      Um.....that's NOT how to more expensive units do it. They use WAAS. Getting three low-resolution positions and sharing them is hardly going to make for an overall more accutate position. Some math guy please do corret me if I'm wrong, but that should serve to make your calculated position even WORSE.

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    3. Re:Cluster and GPS by diginux · · Score: 1

      With all due respect you are completely wrong!
      I use Land Survey Grade GPS equipment(accurate within a few centimeters), and basically the way I describe is how it works. You have a base, and a rover. Between those two and that satelites, it can find the differential errors, and fix them. It is a very complicated task. But if you had more rovers, it would make it more accurate.
      WAAS is something totally different, but based on the same concept of having several locations to triangulate errors from.

    4. Re:Cluster and GPS by cosmol · · Score: 1

      Your first question asked if you could triangulate a position from 3 networked gps recievers. I'm not sure what you mean by that. Triangulation requires a directional vector in order to calculate an unknown position from 3 or more known ones. Differential GPS correction is not triangulation, it is as simple as placing a GPS reciever at a known fixed point and simply subtracting the known position from the position that the GPS reciever reports. Since other gps units in the area will be using the same satelites they will have the same error, so with the differential info, you can just adjust for it.

    5. Re:Cluster and GPS by lucifuge31337 · · Score: 1

      With all due respect you are completely wrong!

      I'm no GPS expert, so I'll have to believe you. Although, I use a Trimble unit that does WAAS correction and its sub-meter accurate (used for placing fire hydrants and other important features on maps for the fire department).

      Can you explain exactly why you would need rovers to accomplish this, when one sub-$3k unit does it already? Or are these units for some highly specialized sub-centimeter application? Or to compensate for locations where your unit wouldn't have a view of enough sattelites or WAAS signals to get an accurate fix?

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      Do not fold, spindle or mutilate.
    6. Re:Cluster and GPS by diginux · · Score: 1

      They are highly specialized. They cost around 12k for each rover, and about the same for the base.

      They are used for land surveying, which requires distances being within a few hundredth of a foot in accuracy. Some of the systems can take advantage of WAAS, but unfortuantely, where I live we are not covered by any of the WAAS toweres :(

    7. Re:Cluster and GPS by cosmol · · Score: 1

      WAAS is a satelite system, it has no towers...

    8. Re:Cluster and GPS by transient · · Score: 1

      WAAS differential signals are transmitted via satellite but those signals are generated by ground reference stations. So, while you are partially correct in saying that WAAS is a satellite system, it most certainly does have towers. The system is currently only available in the United States.

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      irb(main):001:0>
  35. Re:Obligatory server joke... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What are you smoking? The site is very much 'up'.

  36. Re:Obligatory server joke... by Skynyrd · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Offtopic? Blow me.

    The site is down.

    Mod me "unfunny" or "unoriginal" if you must, but saying that the site is down (when it is) is certainly not offtopic.

  37. Screen? by OpenGLFan · · Score: 3, Informative

    In my senior projects class, one group designed data acquisition systems for power line techs, etc. using PDAs. Their main obstacle turned out to be screen visibility, not ruggedness. I know my laptop screen is hard to see in bright sunlight even with the brightness turned all the way up. Anybody know how to address this problem? Polarized sunglasses?

    1. Re:Screen? by shumacher · · Score: 1

      Most laptop screens today are not reflective at all. Sony (and I imagine others) have put small prisms or lightpipes about the screen to transfer ambient light behind backlit displays on some of their digital imaging products. Cell phones and GPS often use transflective displays. Same goes for color Game Boy systems. The backing of the lcd panel is somewhat reflective, so they're visible in sunlight.

      When it's all said and done with, a simple monochrome reflective display is going to look best.

    2. Re:Screen? by dietlein · · Score: 1

      Yes, a transreflective LCD, such as what is on this Garmin GPS60CS. The brighter the sunlight, the brighter the screen. It really works well. From now on, I'll never buy a device made for outdoor use that has a regular LCD.

    3. Re:Screen? by transient · · Score: 1

      LCDs are polarized. If your polarized sunglasses don't have the same orientation as your LCD, you won't be able to see it.

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      irb(main):001:0>
    4. Re:Screen? by feargal · · Score: 1

      Cheaper than that - pinhole sunglasses aka two bits of cardboard with a hole cut in them.

      --
      "A goldfish was his muse, eternally amused"
    5. Re:Screen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As others have mentioned, transreflective screens are the way to go. I used to work for a company that did field acquistion of telephone pole data (about 100 000 poles per year). We tried several pen-based computers and the best yet was the transreflective Fujitsu 4100 (no, not an PDA)... but it works wonders in bad lighting being "side-lit" and it's VERY readable in sunlight. We used purely reflective or backlit models before that resulting in comments like "Yeah, I had to stand behind the pole to get some shade to see what I was feeding into the computer". The only problem I could see was that the colours were very dull. But if you need an outdoor model then the only way to go is transreflective.

      Oh, the purely reflective ones didn't work to well in bad lighting... so they complained about that when those were used.

  38. Look at the site!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Guys,

    The PDA has been designed as part of solution targeting tourist attractions (including the outdoors) and NOT as a product that will be sold to the public.

  39. Outdoor games? by shumacher · · Score: 1

    Garmin Rino GPS/FRS/GMRS devices can transfer GPS data over the FRS channels to other similar radios. They built in some games. Games that require running about in the real world to solve some challenge on the screen of the device.

    I see this supporting the same sort of thing, in a more open platform. Imagine linking over wifi to play a game of GPSpong or something.

  40. Another application for this product by StalinsNotDead · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The military might be interested in these rugged PDA's.

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    1. Re:Another application for this product by puhuri · · Score: 1

      They have them already. The interesting part is "consumer PDA" that probably translates to sub5 figure price tag.

      Battery life could be better though. Also more storage could be helpful so I do not need to carry yet another box to store digital images.

    2. Re:Another application for this product by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 1

      They already use it. Here's one of them. The TDS Recon has been around a while and while the one I link to isn't the militarized version, this one is only different in color(army has green ones) and any possible top secret add ons.

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    3. Re:Another application for this product by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      They have them already. Or, at least special ops do.

    4. Re:Another application for this product by tminusnetwork · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is good advice for engineers: I was talking with a US Army Lt. just before he shipped off to Iraq and his #1 complaint was the ruggedness of the equipment. He had just recieved the latest handheld GPS reciever and was testing it for his troops, by testing, I mean running over it with a Hummwv. Surprisingly, it survived the first couple of times before the screen failed. This lieutenant told it to me this way: "You take any one of my soldiers, put them in a padded room with a steel ball, and one of two things is going to happen; they're going to eat it...or break it...Whatever works in the lab has to work after being run over, pushed into three feet of mud, washed clean with diesel, shoved into somebody's webgear, and thrown repeatedly through the air in a game of pickup football with the local villiage kids. THAT's the mindset you engineers need to have when you build this sh*t." It's not that these guys are dumb with equipment, just the opposite, but when you are pushing your way through a rubble filled street taking fire, the last thing you are worried about is protecting that PDA strapped to your belt. This conversation changed the way I thought. It's not all that much more expensive to waterproof and impact resistance a device, if you consider that BEFORE you start the design. Skip the written parameters, build it to LAST. My $.0025 worth.

    5. Re:Another application for this product by nytes · · Score: 1

      Here's the real thing.

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  41. 8 hour battery life?!? by spoonyfork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why is battery life so short everywhere I look? I don't get it. They ran moon orbiters on less juice than a coffee maker. Why can't we get batteries that last more than an afternoon? GRRR! I hate batteries.

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    1. Re:8 hour battery life?!? by SteveAstro · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...because folks expect 1Ghz processors and full colour screens, and smaller and smaller packages. Something gives: battery life.

      Give me a Palm Pilot anyday.

      Steve

    2. Re:8 hour battery life?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn nature! Why can't it be more convenient!?

    3. Re:8 hour battery life?!? by ScottCanto · · Score: 1

      Batteries for spacecraft are generally nuclear batteries.

    4. Re:8 hour battery life?!? by spoonyfork · · Score: 1

      Give me a Palm Pilot anyday.

      Here, here. I still get 2+ weeks per charge on my PalmV purchased back in 1999. Granted it doesn't have wireless networking or GPS but still... even my mobile phone can go 3 days of "always on".

      The electronics item I love the most is my Seiko kinetic watch. 4+ years and I haven't had to change the battery.. because there is no battery!

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    5. Re:8 hour battery life?!? by DaChesserCat · · Score: 2, Informative
      Give me a Palm Pilot anyday.
      Agreed. I've got a IIIxe which is running on NIMH AAA batteries. I can charge-em up and use the hell out of it for about three weeks at a time. I've got two sets of battereis, so one is in the unit while the others are charging.

      It has a 16 MHz CPU, 8 MB RAM, and monochrome LCD display. It's a very simple device, and goes a long way on very little. I can take it with me on a road trip over the weekend, use it as
      • an e-book reader
      • a spreadsheet
      • a note taker
      • a calendar
      • an alarm clock
      you name it. If I REALLY need to, I can buy some regular AAA batteries while I'm out and about. It's not fancy, but it works well.
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    6. Re:8 hour battery life?!? by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 1

      If you read that slashdot article a day or so ago about that IEEE Spectrum article on radioactive batteries, you'd see that it won't be too long until we get /. posts like "8 year battery life?!? Why is battery life so short everywhere I look?"

      Yup, any day now...

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  42. Contradictions here by Khali · · Score: 3, Informative
    Colour screen 320 x 240 hi resolution

    Not exactly my definition of high resolution. I think that recent handhelds have typical 320 x 320 resolution, don't they?

    Ultra long battery life - up to 6 hours

    Doesn't the news item advertise 8 hours?

    Changeable colours - choose from 265

    Frankly, do we need that many colours to pick from? I think not. Some marketing droid must have thought that a big number here would impress the customer.

    (Note that I couldn't read the article yet, as the site is obviously /.ed.)

    1. Re:Contradictions here by BLAG-blast · · Score: 2, Funny
      > Changeable colours - choose from 265

      Frankly, do we need that many colours to pick from? I think not. Some marketing droid must have thought that a big number here would impress the customer.

      Of course marketing came up with that, and the "Collect them all" slogan as well.

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    2. Re:Contradictions here by feargal · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Ultra long battery life - up to 6 hours Doesn't the news item advertise 8 hours?
      That was two hours ago...
      Frankly, do we need that many colours to pick from? I think not. Some marketing droid must have thought that a big number here would impress the customer.
      It would appear they are not interested in marketing this directly, but through other companies. On the site they highlight the large recessed area on the back suitable for a sponsor's logo, and I couldn't find any price information either (site slow, maybe it *is* there). In that context. 265 colours makes perfect sense.
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  43. No replacement for outdoor skills by Morpeth · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The one criticism I'd have, not so much of the product itself, but people becoming enamored or worse, dependent on it -- is these kind of things are no replacement for good outdoor skills.

    I'm an avid hiker/backpacker, and have run into 'yuppie' types who have their PDAs, GPSs, cell phones etc., with them on their trips; and consider themselves 'experienced' hikers. Problem is they couldn't navigate their way out of a paper bag with a map and compass, let alone tell me what 'mean declination' means.

    After college, I worked at an independent bookstore for a bit, including the map department -- once had a hunter looking a topo map, point at the contour lines, and say 'they sure have a lot of roads there'. And to think the man owned a gun...

    I do think there's some place for this kind of thing, but it's no replacement for knowledge, esp when you break it or the batteries die or you find yourself needing to think quickly without assistance.

    But I'm also something of a purist, I backpack to 'get away from it all' including the digital realm, I really don't want this kind of gadget interfering with my experience. And please people be considerate of others - don't yammer on loudly for 15 min on your damn cell phone when others are trying to enjoy a little peace and enjoy what nature is offering. Thanks.

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    1. Re:No replacement for outdoor skills by shumacher · · Score: 1

      Good point. Next time I'm out, I'll bring two GPS units!

    2. Re:No replacement for outdoor skills by hcob$ · · Score: 0

      My favorite quote from Bugs Bunny cartoons:

      "Duh.... Where did he go, George? Where did he go?
      Where did he go, George!!?? Where did he go?!?

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  44. Waterproof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Durability is going to be a larger and larger necessity as PDAs move from a niche market to the mainstream.

    I need one that can survive a washing machine. I haven't washed mine yet, but my wallet has gone through many times already. I know others in construction who could use a PDA for specialized needs. But you need one that is going to be able to take abuse. Yes, there are special cases you can buy, but they make your PDA three times as large. That defeats the main point of having a PDA... I can slip it in my pocket.

    Whoever finds a way to make a relatively cheap PDA that can handle abuse will make some good money.

  45. Outdoor ready? Not in my book. by GreyPoopon · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ...has a 8 hour battery life...

    Not nearly enough. I can't think of any outdoor trek that lasted only 8 hours. Maybe the intent is to only turn the device on when you actually need it, but you can bet that anything in cold weather is going to bleed that 8 hours down to something much less. Any serious outdoor-ready device needs to have several days of battery life, especially if the customer would like to use the built-in GPS to do something as novel as finding their way back to civilization after getting themselves hopelessly lost.

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  46. Where's the GPS by gr8_phk · · Score: 1

    Forget Blue Tooth, an outdoor device requires GPS.

    1. Re:Where's the GPS by Tet · · Score: 1
      Forget Blue Tooth, an outdoor device requires GPS.

      GPS is a nice luxury, but Bluetooth is an essential for any mobile device. Given the choice between the two, I'd lose the GPS. Of course I'd rather have both, though...

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    2. Re:Where's the GPS by bencc99 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of course, you could buy a bluetooth GPS unit ;)

    3. Re:Where's the GPS by alanh · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are several Bluetooth GPS devices available....

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    4. Re:Where's the GPS by ThogScully · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, the article summary does say that it has GPS, making it clear that it's one of the main selling points.

      The whole basis of the product line seems to be location-finding and all...
      -N

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    5. Re:Where's the GPS by archeopterix · · Score: 1
      GPS is a nice luxury, but Bluetooth is an essential for any mobile device.
      Umm... I don't know - in my experience Bluetooth is a battery killer, so I only use it when I'm not so mobile (connected to the power grid).
    6. Re:Where's the GPS by Tet · · Score: 1
      in my experience Bluetooth is a battery killer, so I only use it when I'm not so mobile

      Funny, I'm the exact opposite. The only time I use Bluetooth is when I'm on the move, so I can connect my Zaurus to the net through my mobile phone. Haven't noticed any problems with battery life at all...

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      "The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike." -- Delos B. McKown
  47. Re:Obligatory server joke... by Skynyrd · · Score: 1

    "The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser settings."

    It's been down every time I hit the link. Perhaps my ISP can't find it. Perhaps it's down.

    Every other site I've visited this morning is just fine - this one is not.

  48. Linux on PDAs by Realistic_Dragon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Linux on a PDA is one of the few things that mistifies me. Having had and used a Zaurus for a very long time I am frankly shocked by how good the interface is, especially when you consider that it's taken a long time for the desktop version to aquire half as much polish.

    It's vastly easier to navigate through than the PocketPC version, and more flexible than the Palm version - possibly because it was designed as one entity (in qtopia) than being a bunch of disparate parts like desktop Linux.

    Anyway, it's a great choice, with the new PIM apps finally rounding out the package - mplayer, kismet, nethack... what else do you need on a pda? :o)

    (Incidently with this model you should be able to install kismet with GPS support so that it automatically logs the location of wireless networks as you war{travel} - much easier than having another unit plugged into the serial port!)

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    1. Re:Linux on PDAs by mritunjai · · Score: 1
      Anyway, it's a great choice, with the new PIM apps finally rounding out the package - mplayer, kismet, nethack... what else do you need on a pda? :o)

      Someone telling Nethack is a *PIM* application, christ's second coming is close now :=P

      > up
      You are now standing in front of agenda closet. There is a knob on it
      > open
      You see two meetings today

      Bah!!
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  49. Outdoor use by mysterious_mark · · Score: 1

    Seems like PDA are really coming into their own for outdoor use. It seems like regular Palm Pilot PDA's hold up well outside anyway, I regularly use mine back country skiing and so do many guides and avalanche forecasters, see http:\\www.snowpilot.org

  50. Photos by StevenHenderson · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry, but this is a lot of hype for a device with nothing but renders on the website. Is this thing made by Infinium Labs too?

  51. PDA in the great outdoors by hcob$ · · Score: 0

    Ok, maybe this is just me but.... Unless you have a satellite uplink(run off a hand generator or something similar)and a small wireless network to share with the flora and fauna, those wireless connections aren't gonna do you much good. I will give you that it's fine for transferring data to it before venturing out into the wild blue yonder. However, what does this device buy you other than being a really cool toy to throw in the river to show off with? I say buy you a kick-a$$ GPS and call it a day. At least as far as the great outdoors is concerned....

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  52. Google cache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  53. Re:Interesting - but can you read it? by newandyh-r · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... and how readable the screen is in various states of light - especially bright sunlight.

  54. PDAS for Kids. by Creep_Geek · · Score: 1

    Nice... a PDA who can be almost used by a kid. is waterproof and meaby if you drop it can survive... and the best... is running in Linux ;).

    1. Re:PDAS for Kids. by Kalak · · Score: 1

      The PDA for my kids is whatever i've tossed off from an old purchase, but this might actually survive them (if they don't lose it first).

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  55. Concerning the battery life. by EvilGoodGuy · · Score: 1

    These PDA's appear to be directed more as tour guides than as a hikers companion.

    From the main page: "Node provides services and products that take the visitor experience of a building, national park or city further and deeper than ever before."

    Thus keeping this ideal in mind, a 8 hour battery life is pretty good. I can't think of to many tour's that would be lasting that long. So when the group returns you plug it in the charger and it is ready to go when the next group arrives.

  56. first to make one, i think not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.talla-com.com/download/rpda_commercial. pdf ipaq based designed off their military counter-part

  57. Great for stadium use by FerretFrottage · · Score: 1

    Well stadium use would be great. Could use the wifi access to track your fantasy football teams, and with the GPS/bluetooth integration, you could pay the beer guy and have him locate you (come on, section, row, seat info is so dated). As a bonus, since it is waterproof it should be protected from most stadium served beers, especially the likes of Coors, Bud, Miller....now if they are serving Guinness, or some oatmeal stout, you may want to buy the extended warranty.

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  58. Not "a first" ... (rolls eyes...) by blakespot · · Score: 2, Informative
    Ever heard of Pen Computing magazine?? Even the earliest copies I've got on my shelf, dating back to 1997, have several rugged, vertical-market PDA's per issue that can withstand "the great outdoors."

    Nothing to see here folks, move along...


    blakespot

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    1. Re:Not "a first" ... (rolls eyes...) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the two from back then were called the Seahorse and the Tarpon... there are pictures here.

  59. Waterproof by neowarp · · Score: 1

    Very nice feature, especially since I just killed my palm m505 by wiping the screen with a paper towel sprayed with windex *sighs* Water now below screen :[ I'd love to try this new one out though,

  60. DGPS? Are you sure? by SpyPlane · · Score: 2, Informative
    "built in DGPS receiver"

    Doubt it.

    DGPS != GPS

    DGPS stands for Differential GPS and comes in a variety of flavors, all of which use corrections from some trusted source to eliminate the inherit errors in GPS (such as ionospheric errors).

    I checked the site to actually confirm that it has DGPS, but I couldn't find any evidence. Most commercial DGPS services cost in the thousands of dollars a year (OmniSTAR, StarFire) and would be totally overkill for a simple handheld PDA intended for recreational activities.

    Granted, this unit might support WAAS, but that wouldn't qualify this as a DGPS unit.

    Sorry to go off on what was probably just a typo!

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  61. Vaporware? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do these pictures look like prototype renderings, to you?

    Yeah I know the screen is simulated (shouldn't be but everyone does that).
    Specifially the microphone/adaptor socket isn't perfectly round, it appears to be a flat sided polygonial cylinder. Check out the small slideshow thingy.

  62. Electronic gizmos in the outdoors by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

    I took my GPS with me on a recent trip to Yosemite and Mt Whitney. My main reason for using it was to check my altitude when climbing. However I found that it was constantly having trouble locking onto satellites when I was near any cliffs, peaks or in a canyon. Depending solely on a GPS unit to navigate in the mountains is foolish. Plus GPS units become unusable in very cold weather as the screens grind to a halt and alkaline batteries die. Even keeping in my jacket couldn't keep it warm enough.

    It is a good idea to have a watch unless you are very good at reading the sun. Being able to estimate your speed and where you'll be by sundown is a very important skill in the outdoors.

    I agree on the escaping the crapola of regular life though. If you bring a cell phone with you, turn it off and only use it for an emergency. It is incredibly annoying to get to a beautiful summit only to listen to some idiot who has to tell everyone they know where they are (usually at the top of their lungs).

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  63. In the backyard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    8 hours? Just day trips then.
    802.11 in the woods? very handy.

  64. Re:Outdoor ready? Not in my book. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "especially if the customer would like to use the built-in GPS to do something as novel as finding their way back to civilization after getting themselves hopelessly lost"

    Isn't the GPS supposed to keep you from getting lost in the first place?

  65. Ob. Simpsons by onebuttonmouse · · Score: 1

    "Inflammable means flammable? What a country!"

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  66. No, there are plenty like you. And plenty not. by raygundan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If that's your favorite part, you can enjoy your favorite part of backpacking by simply hiding all your clocks, gadgets, and computers and hanging out in your house. You'll save money on gear and travel time, and you won't have to hang your food in midair to prevent the animals from eating it.

    It's cheaper, and those of us who backpack for reasons besides an inability to think of another way to get away from clocks will have less crowded trails to deal with.

    People who backpack to "get away" baffle me-- I backpack to get somewhere I want to be, not to hide from my wristwatch. If it's dark and raining, and I'm stuck in my tent-- I'll be loving the 10-hour battery on my GBA.

  67. Re:DGPS? Are you sure? by stox · · Score: 1

    Small GPS's such as the Garmin eTrex Legend support DGPS, I don't see why this unit can't.

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  68. Why not get one of these by P00pT0sser · · Score: 1

    Why not just upgrade your own PDA with this bad boy. http://www.micronicsgps.com/2007s.htm

  69. Solar Cells are easy by cgenman · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not to be too hacky, but it is trivial to add a good solar cell to most electronics, especially if they are built for a charger. This one looks like it uses a fairly standard power plug, which means it's probably 2.0 or 1.9 center positive. Anyone with a unit could tell you to required voltage, but I would guess 12v as it has an internal hdd. All that's left to do is find a good 12v solar cell, find a plug of the right size, chop off the end bits of the two and attach them together, and double-check that current is flowing in the right direction. Bing! You're done.

    It's very easy. Check these values, of course, with the requirements of the actual hardware before you start plugging things in.

  70. Re:Outdoor ready? Not in my book. by GreyPoopon · · Score: 1
    Isn't the GPS supposed to keep you from getting lost in the first place?

    Yeah, but since the thing has such a low battery life, you would have to keep it turned off until after you already *are* lost. Either that, or keep your outdoor treks down to something significantly less than 8 hours... like maybe a trip to the Six Flags Safari...

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  71. Probably WAAS... by mark0 · · Score: 1

    Which provides even my just-over-US$100 Garmin Foretrex 201 with a pretty good fix. While this is not DGPS, it appears even Garmin is getting ambiguous with its language in this regard. You will note at the bottom of page, they discriminate between WAAS and DGPS, but in the description of WAAS they say, "The corrected differential message is then broadcast through one of two geostationary satellites, or satellites with a fixed position over the equator."

  72. First, um..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Digital Ocean's Tarpon was an outdoor version of the Newton many years ago.

    http://www.msu.edu/~luckie/tarpon.html

  73. Re:DGPS? Are you sure? by mark0 · · Score: 1

    Nope. It doesn't. It supports WAAS. Follow the link in my other post in this thread...

  74. Inherent problem with the concept by goldenfield · · Score: 1

    If I'm out on a remote trail, my cell phone doesn't work, much less wi-fi. Guess it'll have to cache information until you can sync up with a network connection back at the base camp?

  75. Re:DGPS? Are you sure? by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 1

    Um, DGPS is also operated by the Coast Guard for nothing. Check here.

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  76. morons and their toys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because you really need to be able to check your dayplanner when you're taking a huge steaming dump in the woods and wiping your butt with leaves.

  77. This is not a GPS for explorers, it's a tour guide by name_already_taken · · Score: 3, Insightful
    This thing is not intended to be bought and used as a GPS/PDA by consumers when they go wandering all over the place and getting lost.

    It's intended to be used as an interactive tour guide at historical sites, outdoor museums and the like - popping up information about what happened 200 years ago where you're standing now and that sort of thing.

    It's clearly designed to be bought by institutions.

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  78. Waterproof to three meters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I always wondered, are these vertical meters or horizontal meters?

    / Also confused by "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea"

  79. Obligatory PA link by supmylO · · Score: 1

    http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2000-04 -07&res=l

  80. Zigbee by Ba3r · · Score: 1

    If they really want to be ahead of the game, they should pack it with a zigbee receiver.. so the park ranger can stay in communication over a wireless mesh sensor network..

  81. The Pacific Northwest by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 1

    Outdoors and great adventures aside, this toy looks perfect for the Pacific Northwest geek on the go.

    Living in a part of the world where it rains almost solid for 6 - 9 months out of the year, having a PDA that can take some drizzel will rock.

    On top of that, having it be linux based (although I'd like to see a NetBSD port ;) will make it truelly usefull for people such as myself who keep all the important tasks (Mutt, irssi, bitlbee, server administration) running on a remote server in a screen.

    Something seriously gets my geeky wang going, thnking about sitting on a park bench, in the rain, sending IMs, restarting apache, and checking my mail, all while it raining. ]:3}>

  82. Re:DGPS? Are you sure? by stox · · Score: 1

    OK, I think we may be having a semantical issue here. The Legend can't use DGPS directly, but can output GARMIN DGPS protocol which can then be used as a DGPS service point. In conjunction with the appropriate software, one could place one Legend at a known geographical point, USGS marker for example, and use another, again with appropriate software, to get the accuracy offered by DGPS.

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  83. Dimensionally challenged? by dstone · · Score: 1

    From the post: "It's smaller than a standard postcard."

    You know, I've received postcards from folks in the UK and I don't recall them being nearly as large as that PDA. Perhaps the conference he attended was in Flatland.

  84. Re:DGPS? Are you sure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    If they say it supports DGPS maybe it does, all that really requires is a local GPS reciever, a trusted source (a precisely located GPS reciever), a way to get the DGPS information (the error at the trusted source(s) at the time of error) and math. Hm, I believe this unit claims to have reciever, WIFI and a CPU...

    So yah, maybe we won't all be subscribing to a DGPS service (btw, doesn't the US Coast Guard run one?) but that doesn't mean the unit can't do it. It's the nature of neat hacks of this type to get cheaper over time, as the hardware evolves to run them.

  85. Re:DGPS? Are you sure? by mark0 · · Score: 1

    Actually, your receiver is "DGPS Ready". Were you to buy additional DGPS equipment at additional cost (as mentioned in the parent of this thread), you would achieve a more accurate fix as mentioned in your product manual. This would be useful, for example, if you were making very high-resolution maps for, say, orienteering. There is a description of such activities, with a picture of a guy with just such a setup here: http://www.orienteering.org/techarticles/ocad_gps. htm

  86. If you HAVE TO depend on your GPS by Intraloper · · Score: 2, Insightful

    you shouldn't be out there.

  87. Waterprood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    My mother, uh, I mean, I put my Sharp Zaurus through the washing machine recently. It came out in a sorry state. It refused to power up. I left it sitting in my room for a few days, intending to eventually throw it out, but when I tried to turn it on it powered up just fine as if nothing have ever happened.

    I have since begun experimenting with various pieces of consumer electronics to see if they will survive a soaking. Tamagochis will not. Anyone want to donate an XBox?

  88. Of course... by jav1231 · · Score: 1

    "In keeping with all new hot gadgets, it won't be available in the U.S. and will cost at or above $699!"

  89. Re:DGPS? Are you sure? by mark0 · · Score: 1

    Actually, let me correct myself. You would not achieve a more accurate fix with DGPS nowadays, since selective availability is turned off. Looking at Garmin's catalog, their DGPS receivers are discontinued since Clinton signed the executive order to stop SA. Were it to be turned back on, DGPS would overcome it.

    WAAS, on the other hand, attempts to overcome the other slings and arrows of GPS, like atmospheric interference, and is probably more useful.

  90. Re:Outdoor ready? Not in my book. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    ...has a 8 hour battery life...

    Not nearly enough. I can't think of any outdoor trek that lasted only 8 hours.

    I can't think of any outdoor trek that required me to have my PDA turned on the whole time.

    Just turn it off when you're not using it. Sheesh.

  91. Smaller than a postcard by lupinstel · · Score: 1

    Smaller than a postcard used to mean something back in the day. My pda (Ux50) is smaller than a 3x5 card, my phone is smaller than a cats head. Of course things arn't as thin as a postcard yet. We are going to need new standard comparisons soon.

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  92. Not a PDA, don't compare it to one by plover · · Score: 1
    These aren't being marketed as PDAs. They are being marketed to national parks, monuments, historic sites, etc. Think of them as virtual tour guides. All the info on their web site says about software is that it will interact with your customers, and that you can download their track (GPS tracking) and their interaction. It sounds like a completely closed package at this point. Their readily available documentation doesn't even tell you what OS it's running on.

    That said, they have a recess on the back for the owner to place a logo. They'll make them to whatever color your organization requires (a certain university may want them in maroon and gold, for example, to give virtual tours to incoming freshmen.)

    The screen is supposed to be visible in full sunlight. The other thing to keep in mind regarding screen resolution is that the focus isn't supposed to be on the gadget, it's supposed to be on the historic site (or whatever.) Hi-res graphics probably aren't as high a priority as usability, durability, battery life, weight, power consumption, price, etc.

    Anyway, it's a special-purpose device, and is certainly not being marketed as a "PDA Designed for the Great Outdoors" despite the Slashdot assertion to the contrary.

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  93. Why on the trail? by way2trivial · · Score: 1
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  94. Homeless Market on Fire by yungblud · · Score: 1

    Finally something that meets the needs of the great (digitally) unwashed!

  95. Mandatory by TheBoostedBrain · · Score: 1

    ...Imagine an outdoor beowulf cluster of these....

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  96. I want my OQO with Linux! by stuffduff · · Score: 1

    I'll use it in a diver's camera enclosure if I go outside in the rain! ;^)

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  97. Digital Ocean's Seahorse & Tarpon by Feneric · · Score: 1

    I think the claim to world's first consumer PDA designed for the great outdoors has to go to the Digital Ocean company for either their Seahorse or Tarpon offerings.

    While Digital Ocean wasn't the biggest, best-known company in the world and its PDAs weren't the most popular ones available at the time, they definitely did exist and were available to the general public and designed for the great outdoors.

    Of course, they each weighed in at around three pounds, but again, in that time period cell phones weren't all that small either...

    A relatively simple Google search pulls up lots of info on both of these PDAs designed for outdoor use.

    1. Re:Digital Ocean's Seahorse & Tarpon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, both ran version 2.0 of the Newton OS. They were used by regular campers in addition to (of course) military.

  98. Re:DGPS? Are you sure? by SpyPlane · · Score: 1

    Even without SA, DGPS is much more accurate than simple CA tracking. L1/L2 Carrier phase tracking does work REALLY well, but still does not compare in quality to DGPS corrections that I mentioned in my post. L1/L2 carrier phase corrections work wonderfully for RTK units and surveying in a point, but when mobile, it looses it's advantages over DGPS.

    And as some have mentioned, DGPS capable does not mean it uses DGPS for positioning, like the article suggested. It does mean that you can input DGPS corrections via separate units.

    Oh, and WAAS will not guarantee anything more accurate than 3 meters.

    http://www.garmin.com/aboutGPS/waas.html

    This fails to mention NavCom's and OmniStar's decimeter accuracy, but who's counting right?

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  99. I like it. by Mad+Ogre · · Score: 1

    I like it. But I don't think I'd spend my own money on it. As far as wireless goes, I need 802.11... Blue Tooth does nothing for me. GPS would be groovy. Now if I could mount that on the dash of my Bronco, then I'd consider it instead of an Axim.

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  100. Newton? by Chrontius · · Score: 1

    Well, it'll run WinCE or Linux. So the OS is not burned into ROM. I wonder if it would be possible to recompile the Newton OS for this thing? It certainly has the computational cajones for it (~13mhz on the eMate) and the Newton didn't have any particular hard-button requirement that this thing doesn't meet. The only thing I can think of being a problem is the lack of PCMCIA, but with wireless... and drivers... this could be a real option to buying used hardware if you want a Newton. Adding support for the color screen and non-kludgy wireless drivers would seem to be the biggest issue, IMHO.

  101. Underwater wireless? by Jaza · · Score: 1

    "Bluetooth and WiFi come as standard"

    Water resistant and wireless! Can it do both at the same time? Since radio waves generally travel only through the air, probably not. But if it did...

    Finally, you'd be able check your email in peace, from the bottom of your swimming pool. You could take some underwater snaps with your waterproof digital camera (sold separately for $2999 + tax), and send them instantly above the surface. If you have any in your local lake or ocean, you could even chat in real-time with the local WiFi- or Bluetooth-equipped marine life. The possibilities are endless!

    But current wireless technology probably doesn't work in water. So this is all just fantasy... at least, until 802.11sONAR comes out.

  102. Remember the Psion Organiser II? by cheros · · Score: 1

    I have actually played a football match with it on a show, and the thing still worked afterwards (we just had a mad moment, it happens). The funny thing was that the supplier of "ruggedised" handhelds was not prepared to do the same for evidence. They lost a *lot* of sales that day ;-).

    I know of some of them being ran over by cars and still working - not much use with a cracked display, but you could still get the data of them afterwards. I don't think my Clie would like that.

    But heck no, no use in water - waterproofing was a clear plastic bag then ;-)

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