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Gmail Adds Features
tommertron writes "Gmail rolled out a host of new features
today. Big improvement in the contacts list, with the ability to search it and
organize messages according to contact. Also, you can now forward all incoming
gmail to any email account, but, according to Google, this feature is only 'free
for now.' Does this mean gmail will start charging for some features? Meanwhile, Internet News is reporting
that on Monday, some gmail accounts contained an Atom link for reading your email
summaries in a news reader. Also meanwhile, my decrepit Hotmail account still hasn't given me that promised
250 megabytes ..."
Of course they are going to charge you to forward your email. Otherwise you could use their great spam filter and bandwidth without having to see their adds. And what do you expect from a Free email service. At least you can have some confidence that they won't sell your email address.
Queue bitching about targeted advertising.....
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Opera is my browser of choice (I've found it to be more stable than Firefox, if not as full featured) and so far it hasn't been compatible with G-Mail. Does this upgrade improve support for my favorite browser?
I still don't understand why I can't middle click on a message to open it in a new window...
A one window view into my mbox is not sufficient.
Forgot to mention that they updated the gmail notifier. New icon, and a little better. Updated automatically though, without my permission...
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I saw the Atom link, but upon clicking on it, only a skeleton atom file is shown. It could be that I didn't have any unread mail...
I agree with Dave Winer, the author of the RSS format. With RSS feeds becoming more and more popular across a whole raft of different applications (including tasty new integration with Firefox), surely combining the two formats (Atom and RSS) would be beneficial, lest we end up with another VHS/Beta or DVD+/-RW/RAM situation... Rather than have the two battle it out to the death, why not get the best of both worlds?
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So I noticed the big red new features thing yesterday, clicked on it and saw a message saying they were adding new features, but nothing about them. I also had the mysterious ATOM feed as a button on my sidebar. I clicked on it and saw that it was a feed of new messages in my mail box. "This is a cool step in providing cool technology to the masses," I thought to myself.
Alas, it had one major problem. No API. So there was no way that I could actually subscribe. This is because the URL was non-descript and requires an authentication (as I would hope a feed of my new messages would). Today I went back to take a screenshot of the new sidebar and blog about my adventure in GmailAtom land, and the link was gone. Sad. Here's to hoping that it comes back soon.
My Slashdot account is old enough to drink...
Wait a second... where in the article did I complain? Just a speculation. Hell, I probably would pay for gmail features if they added them, or restricted some of the ones they have now.
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OK, so who still does NOT have a gmail account? I have two invites left - what goodness will you do to humanity if I give you one?
AND - if gmail use is growing exponentially (I got 6 invites after 2 weeks use, and of 4 invites sent out, there are 2 new users), how long until eveyone on earth is buried in gmail accounts?
Time to test Google's true capabilities...two GMail accounts fowarding messages to each other...
"Send"
We're testing a new feature that lets you forward new incoming messages to any email account you want. It's free during the test and you can set it up in seconds. Even set up filters to forward only some of your messages. It's your mail. Get it the way you want it.
I will always like pop 3. They just dont fill up, and even if you can only use them on 1 computer, I have a laptop, so i can just take it with me.
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We are all inundated with e-mail nowadays. Semantic parsing and bayesian filtering are commonplace, but no conventional e-mail client allows automatic grouping by subject in quite the manner of GMail. I enjoy the ability to search messages rather than arbitrarily tossing them into folders to be forgotten. Indeed, e-mail has called out for intelligent grouping for some time now.
It opens up some fantastic marketing opportunities as well. Already they exploit this with the excellent GoogleAds along the side of the screen that have relevance to the e-mail one is perusing; however, with the gradual acceptance of commercial e-mail by people and by legislation I believe there is a great deal of future potential in selling/buying general profiles of e-mail accounts using this same data. As search engines and e-mail combine, the quality of the search interface becomes a mute point; the most interesting information is pushed to the user based on relevance to their online lives.
The only real concern is privacy, but I'll bet it's possible to sell really general-type information without violating any policies -- thus using advertising to continue to deliver the kinds of features users expect without costing them a dime. If only they could do something like this with online backup/recovery as well.
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One feature that's been there since the beginning, but apparently isn't mentioned anywhere on the site, is unlimited sub-addressing. Say I sign up for foo@gmail.com; I automatically receive mail addressed to foo+work@gmail.com, foo+urgent@gmail.com, foo+slashdot@gmail.com, or whatever I make up. Then I can filter or forward messages based on these criteria. Why isn't this nice feature getting any press?
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If you don't know what to do with your invites, donate them to FireFox! (Well, it's currently suspended, but stay tuned!)
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I just recently acquired a gmail account and the one feature that I have not been able to find anything on is permenancy(sp?). I would like to use gmail exclusively but without any gaurantee that I will always have my account it is a step that I am not willing to take just yet.
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No new features?!?! How bout these:
1. Text-based ads instead of graphics or flash.
2. No taglines. Very nice if you want to send out professional emails.
3. Excellent spam filter.
4. FAST CSS (might be wrong about that) interface.
5. Google search built right into your email inbox, archive, etc.
I can go on if need be. You're nuts.
Download 7.54 and it works fine. Go now.
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My friend runs this IMAP and with the wording "It's free during the test", its given hope that google will implement IMAP(as a pay service) when it launches.
Brin talked about Imap for gmail in april but after that it seems there has not been talk about it at google. The most important features are in this order- IMAP, folders and retrieval of mail from other accounts to gmail.
There are other feature requests which you can check here
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It looks like they have actually responded to what I wan't. About 3 months ago I sent a request asking for more contact info, and here it is. (If you doubt me, I can post the message I got back from them about it). They actually listen to customers, its great.
Its too bad we live in a world run by corporations, its rare to get that kind of service.
I think we should be thankful we get 1000mb free, who cares if they charge to foreward?
You need to have Opera ID itself as Opera. GMail uses ActiveX to display itself in IE, probably to avoid lots of complications from odd Javascript problems with IE. Since Opera is IDing as IE, GMail is assuming it has ActiveX support, which it does not.
Go here. Or download Opera 7.61
More than mere navel gazing.
I know I will probably get modded down for this one but it lacks the ability to take a message in your inbox and forward it to people in your address book while looking at it (i.e. using checkboxes for forwarding). You can type in their names and use autocomplete but there is no easy way to choose from amongst your address book who you are going to forward to.
I don't really forward emails off to a gazillion people but it apparantly is a very common thing these days which was the reason I could not get my Grandmother to switch to gmail (she's one of those people that forwards every joke email she gets onto you thinking you'll read it).
They do have this feature for sending new mail to people now, however.
Gmail's biggest flaw is that you can't sort your messages by anything (i.e. there's no heading bar at the top of the mail listing that you can click, a la Subject, Sender, or Date). Yahoo Mail is seamless at this. With Gmail you get sorted by date, that's it.
Now you might say I could just search my inbox, but that's no good either. Why? The search results suck. I have 171 emails with the exact same subject line right now (running a promotion), and searching for that exact string gets me 68 results. Great... You also can't sort those results, either.
Love the interface otherwise, but the technology needs work and the interface needs sorting!
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Actually, I've just checked and it allows to send executables in a zip file. However, it doesn't allow to attach executables.
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Yes, these are all advantages of gmail over Yahoo mail or Hotmail. But not over locally running email clients. Why use gmail if there are apps which are completely ad-free, work with any number of great spam filters, are faster than gmail, and work without a network connection?
I'd like to see you send email WITHOUT A NETWORK CONNECTION! It would be a technical breakthrough, but probably you would be sued out of existance by isps.
Seriously, web-based email is good for this simple reason: if you connect from more than one computer to the internet, is a hassle to go around installing whatever client you have in mind. If your are planning on connecting to a remote server, lets say, via ssh, you still have to download putty, etc (if you are on windows).
I second that. In fact, I sent them a similar message via their suggestion form. I explained that I would pay for the ability to have my old email (in mbox format) imported with the correct dates.
Have you tried using mutt to bounce the messages to Gmail? Such messages should retain the date attributes, as well as sender, destination, and other such goodies, assuming Gmail doesn't mangle this stuff (and I don't believe it does).
The thing I love about gmail is the javascript client -- it's really usable.
I'd love to see an open source competitor. Maybe even something that does good full text indexing of your mail, and provides those nifty searches.
Then whether google was going to charge, or whether they'd provide IMAP, or whatever, wouldn't matter. Anyone could do whatever they need.
I don't have any idea how you'd write something like google's mail client -- I didn't know client side javascript was good enough to do something so usable. If anyone knows of any tutorials (books, web sites, etc.), I'd love to hear about them.
No one should advocate HTML mail - this is just crap, and the best way to inject all sorts of junk into e-mail. If a message isn't getting to you clearly in plain text e-mail, then the sender really needs to take a writing class. I think this .sig sums it up: (credit: Matthew Keller)
"No one ever says, 'I can't read that ASCII E-mail you sent me.'"
IT's CSS+Javascript+Tables. CSS might be supported by links, tables are, but not JS. So to support links/lynx, they'd have to completely change the architecture. Doubtful. In other words, they CAN support text-only browsers, it's only that those browsers have other limitations than only not having pictures.
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It's really simple actually and quite ingenius for the bandwidth speed. For instance, if you go under IE and right click -> View Source, then you see some random looking gibberish. However, if you go under View -> Source, then you see it referencing a JavaScript file. Just look at the [obfuscated] JavaScript file and voila.
Btw, I know this from past experience when I was running a newsletter for some six hundred or so members of our ski-club. We would send the full newsletter out as a pdf attachment. However before meetings we would send out a reminder without attachments. A lot of people, and for good reason, object to Outlook-style rich-text. HTML is a reasonable alternative and gives the ability to organise the information.
If HTML is allowed, then either you have no support for automatic following of external links (like IMG) or the ability to disable it based on contact.
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There's been a lot of discussion on the Atom feed at InsideGoogle, including a link to make your own Gmail Atom feed if your account doesn't have a link yet. Also, some stuff here and here
I would say that with the amount of smart cookies working for Google, someone managed to write a script that takes a nicely commented and well written javascript file and removes whitespace, comments, shortens variable names and spits out the result. This means they can have a smaller download for end users and a maintainable source file for developers.
It wouldn't take too long for someone who really wanted it to "un-obfuscate" the source. At least the formatting part you could do via a script and then rename variables when you work out what they're for.
No, it does NOT use ActiveX - it just uses the full HTML support IE provices (dynamic HTML) - same sort of thing that makes OWA (Outlook Web Access) possible ... (probably the most impressive web email that exists - granted you need an exchange server so it's hardly fair to compare it to free mail systems)
What is with you people and thinking that Gmail is using ActiveX with IE??? IT DOES NOT USE ACTIVEX. ActiveX is a component (usually a dll) that is downloaded and hosted in the browser. Think of ActiveX in IE the same way you think about a JAVA app hosted in a browser (only ActiveX isn't an interpreted/bytecode language, nor a language at all for that matter). Would you look at Gmail and think that it uses Java? NO.
Here's a little hint for you:
Gmail uses Dynamic HTML aka DHTML aka JavaScript interacting with the DOM. Thats all. No components.
This post is not just directed at parent, it is also a reply to the multiple idiots in the current thread who stated that Gmail uses ActiveX, and I got tired of reading it.
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I just looked at mine, and the version claims to be 1.0.21.0. No -1 error, no obvious automatic update, nothing.
So I just now right-clicked it, selected exit, and then restarted it. Voila. Blue icon, version claims to be 1.0.23.0.
It's clear that it *does* have an automatic update function, and no, it does not have an option anywhere to turn that off.
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You need to have Opera ID itself as Opera. GMail uses ActiveX to display itself in IE, probably to avoid lots of complications from odd Javascript problems with IE. Since Opera is IDing as IE, GMail is assuming it has ActiveX support, which it does not.
Interesting that they had to resort to ActiveX. An interesting question though, is how long it will be before they'll detect Firefox/Mozilla users and have a powerful XUL interface available - if you could do a nice interface as rich and as fast as this GMail would start looking very impressive (and people would be moving very fast to Firefox to get it).
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Does this mean gmail will start charging for some features?
Ok. I blame the american school systems for people who think businesses are there to give them everything for free.
First off, can we all just agree that Google is now a business with shareholder money? The guys who own the stock are a bit more concerned with generating a short term gain than giving several million geeks free *@gmail.com addresses with many features.
Do you really see Google sustaining itself on banner ads and advertising partners alone? I know you would like to see that happen, but if you were coherent in 1999 you would find this is not the case in most publically held companies.
I will be sure to link back to all my ill-modded posts about Google being a business to generate cash once it becomes another Hotmail or MSN in a couple of months/years.
Just speaking from the gut.
Care to explain this then?
Okay, I just spent a while browsing the source, and really, it doesn't look that hard. Laying out the controls with XUL looks largely straightforward, and everything made perfect sense to me, and I know no XUL at all. The rest of the functionality is provided via javascript, and that's where a little more work went in, but it really doesn't look like anything more than one would expect for an app of that complexity.
All up, my general impression (having only skimmed through the source) is that it looks to be no more difficult to develop such an app than with anything else one might use instead.
I am very impressed. Many kudos to the mozilla people for making such things possible.
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Full HTML may be a bit much, but what about allowing parsing of the few XHTML core modules, like the text, hypertext, and list modules? This is basically just HTML without images, styles (except for the email reader's style sheet), or other multimedia. This would make it infinitely easier to quote other emails and to link to sites on the internet.
At the same time, robot searchability would be improved while the "crap" you dislike can't be transmitted easily. I gather that you don't object to the semantic data exchanged via HTML email, just the (usually poorly done) multimedia.
Finally, as XML uses UTF by default, languages that contain letters not found in the English alphabet can be exchanged. ASCII is arguably an anachronism in an age of global text transmission.
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The GMail interface uses HTML, with Javascript doing the DOM manipulation (as you correctly state). It also uses XmlHttpRequest to get content (such as the full email) from the server via Javascript - that's why you see your email on screen without the page reloading.
Internet Explorer's implementation of XmlHttpRequest is done using an Active X component.
Gmail works with the new version of Safari mainly because that version also now supports XmlHttpRequest. Opera 7.6x is starting to support XmlHttpRequest too - its buggy at the moment.
It's nice to see Gmail add features, but it still lacks an obvious one: the ability to properly quote emails when replying to them.
The raw copy of everything with "--original message follows--" is really lousy. How can you quote pats of the message that way? How do you insert answers to different questions of the original mail?
I would love to see Gmail do better than this Outlook brain damage.
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I've done a fair bit of work in XUL. A CRM system, another database accessing interface and a user interface for an art project (basically a drawing app). XUL is cool. It's about as hard as learning xhtml + javascript (DOM) from scratch. The main problem as it stands is with lack of documentation. Also, XUL is a bit of a moving target - I've filed at least 2 bugs per app i've developed!
To give you an example, I was trying to load some valid xhtml into my document by inserting it directly into the DOM. All images and style elements in this document fragment weren't loaded! I ended up fixing it with something called XPConnect javascript but i needed to install my app for this to work.
A good place to check out is xulplanet. It's probably the most comprehensive XUL sites out there.
As far as power goes, firefox itself was written in XUL - so anything you can do in firefox you can do in XUL. Well, if it's installed XUL. If it's just loaded like a webpage then it's got the same security restrictions as webpages ie. no access to local files/clipboard etc.
I explained that I would pay for the ability to have my old email (in mbox format) imported with the correct dates.
Have you tried GML (Gmail Loader)? It works pretty nice, I could import around 250Mb of old emails and then filter them into labels.
Gmail rolled out a host of new features today.
Is anyone else disapointed that the submitter didn't slip a vulgarity or two when describing the new features?
If I had submitted it I would have at least worked in one... like:
Gmail rolled out a fuck-ton of new features today.
Like at work yesterday, this newbie kid was like:
"How come we don't make a linux version of our software?" My reply was something like
"Because that would take a fuck-ton of money. Dumbass."
Anyways... I digress.
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The forwarding feature is also more extended than I expected. In the "Settings", click on the "Forward" tab and you can enable a "Global" forwarding where EVERY received message gets forwarded to another email address. You can also further configure what to do with the received message. But did you know that "Filters" now have a Forwarding option? You can optionally have a Filter forward a message to any email address based on the filtering criteria. This gives you a lot more flexibility
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You're utterly wrong, because IE's implementation of the required request protocol is done USING ACTIVEX. So you do, in fact, need activex activated in order to use gmail if your browser is IDing as IE.
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