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Rumors of Next Generation of Ipods

xyankee writes "Apple is on the verge of releasing a 60GB iPod that will not only hold a ton of music, but also sport photo-viewing capabilities! Think Secret is reporting that the new iPod will also have a 2-inch high-resolution LCD display, video-out, and enhancements to iPhoto for synchronizing photos. The best part is it'll be just 2mm thicker than regular iPods. Does this mean that iPhoto for Windows might not be far behind? Also, as a note to all the rumor pundits, Think Secret nailed the iMac G5 specs a month before its announcement, so I'm inclined to believe them with this bit as well."

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  1. Gimme more! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    60GB = Lots of pr0n

    1. Re:Gimme more! by log0n · · Score: 5, Insightful

      1) Just out of curiosity, have you needed your battery replaced? I've got the original scrolly wheel 10gb, I use it for 4-5 hours daily 7 days/week, I'm still going fine with the original battery. If and when it ever dies I'll get a new battery and replace it myself. Anyone who actually enjoys posting at Slashdot should be more than techy enough to replace an ipod battery.

      2) One of my DVD players doesn't play back divx or ogm or WMV. Sure, it plays back normal DVDs fine - which is was advertised to do, but I'm bitter that this one doesn't so I'm going to bitch and moan and complain about a company (let's say Phillips) not keeping an antiquated *limited by hardware* product up to spec with what other modern DVD players can do.

      Please.

      3) Why are you abusing the headphones and putting them someplace where you know they would break? If you know that the cold is breaking them, why are you going right back to putting them in the cold?

      Sorry, but you're clearly a dumbass with a mentality of you being owed everything by anything that displeases you.

  2. Ultimate geek device by XiC · · Score: 5, Funny

    P0rn to go.....

    How handy !(pun intended)

    1. Re:Ultimate geek device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I always knew IPOD stood for Instant Pr0n on demand.

  3. Credible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Think Secret, while not 100% accurate, does have a pretty darn good track record for pre-release specs. It's certainly the most credible Mac rumor site out there. I'm inclined to believe them as well. Now I just have to find $500...

    1. Re:Credible by nine-times · · Score: 4, Informative
      Yeah, I would be totally dismissive of this rumor if it weren't from ThinkSecret. It seems very quick to be coming out with a new iPod revision, and it just sounds like typical Mac-head rumormill stuff. "Like, OMG!!! The new Powerbook G5 is coming out in three days!!!"

      But ThinkSecret tends to be weary of these sorts of rumors, and usually doesn't post something like this unless they have someone they believe to be a credible inside source. Still, you're right, they're not 100%.

    2. Re:Credible by the_Librarian · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They have a decent track record, but read the article - they claim that Apple will market a 60gb ipod as holding 20000 songs _and_ 25000 pictures? I can feel the monkeys flying out of my butt right now... a 40gb ipod will hold (according to Apple) 10000 songs, so somehow a 50% increase in space will hold another 10000 songs and 25000 photos?

      Sounds like someone's on the wish-fulfilment crack pipe there.

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    3. Re:Credible by Mark+Hood · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I suspect it'll just be a larger 4G iPod, with the ability to show Album Art stored in the ID3 tags.

      As others have pointed out, most digital cameras have a larger screen, so the only advantage here is additional storage... Nice as it is to have all your photos with you, and of course it'll have TV-out, I can't see it being used to really show them off with the same size screen as the current iPod.

      Who knows, maybe there'll be the long-fabled firmware release that makes the current 4G iPods colour-screened ;)

      Mark

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  4. Yeah...but... by bugbeak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    didn't the iPod make it because it played MP3s, and played them well?

    1. Re:Yeah...but... by geekwithglasses · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, the iPod does well because it does one thing better than any other player. I have an Archos that does video and music, and I hate it. Clunky interface, heavy, and over all, just poor design.I take my iPod everywhere and I get a TON o use out of it.

      If Apple can make a portable image/video player that has the functionality and respnosiveness as the iPod, then I'm in.

      After the deal with Steve Balmer and his comments that Microsoft will dominate the convergence market for computer based entertainment, I'd love to see Apple come in and lay down another big seller.

    2. Re:Yeah...but... by hype7 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      very true.

      I think there is a market for this, that's maybe a little bit of a shift from the iPods present target market.

      it's the iPod for grown ups. These are the people who wouldn't buy one just for the music, but the prospect of taking their kids/grandkids photos with them everywhere, being able to whip out a cool little device with every digital photo they've ever taken, would definitely hold some appeal with some of the older folk.

      the music may just be a bonus!

      -- james

    3. Re:Yeah...but... by trentblase · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have a feeling that Apple's always had much bigger plans for the iPod than just music. I mean, they called it the iPod, not the iMP3 or iMusic, etc. I'll welcome an iPod with audio, video, contact, and phone capabilities in the future. Just think, a phone designed by apple would be the coolest thing ever.

    4. Re:Yeah...but... by edalytical · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just make a Newton out of it and be done with it already!

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    5. Re:Yeah...but... by BigBir3d · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Uh.... yeah right. Did you not see/use a Archos first? Buying on "specs" alone is pretty dumb IMO.

    6. Re:Yeah...but... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      One thing I would not be surprised by would be the ability of the iPod to play keynote presentations. If it supports video out, then it could very easily be used as a portable presentation device. It probably wouldn't be able to manage complex transitions (at least not the 3D ones), but I wouldn't be at all surprised if Keynote 2 can export to some kind of bitmap format usable on the iPod.

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    7. Re:Yeah...but... by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just think, a phone designed by apple would be the coolest thing ever.And the most expensive phone ever... and it would only work with Apple's cellular service, which would be simple to use but also, very expensive.

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    8. Re:Yeah...but... by Gilmoure · · Score: 5, Funny

      and it would only work with Apple's cellular service

      Just like Apple computers only work with Apple's interweb thingy.

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  5. Well.... by plazman30 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Think Secret also spent a lot fo time showing the new Apple PDA along with supposed screen shots and that never surfaced...

    1. Re:Well.... by mirko · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Exactly, it's not the first time they discuss such new iPods, they actually overhyped some similarly featured iPod as soon as Spring 2004 but they had to admit they were wrong.
      I don't think Apple will do it, because it's just not convenient to use a 2 inch lcd screen to see photos that have been most probably taken on a dig camera with a dedicated similarly large screen...
      Anyway, if Apple does such a device, I guess it'll more and more look like the PDA Newton lovers have been expecting for years...
      I suggest somebody asks Belkin or any other iPod accessories manufacturer whether they plan to create an iPod char input device...

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    2. Re:Well.... by kitzilla · · Score: 3, Interesting
      That's true, but Jobs has hinted that Apple *did* design an updated version of the Newton that never made it to market. Think Secret might have been right.

      While no rumor site is 100% on-the-money, I've found TS to be the best of the bunch. They're not given to empty speculation.

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  6. Viewing photos? Hmm by twocoasttb · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm not sure that the ability to view photos would be an incentive for me to upgrade to a newer iPod; the screen would just be too small to make it worthwhile. However, the idea of integrating the iPod with iPhoto to make it easier to transport photos from one place to another would be appealing. Being able to sync a smart list of recent photos to the iPod before going back east to visit the family would be really cool...

  7. Next 30-60 days? by mystereys · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The article says in the next 30-60 days. Although that makes sense in terms of the holiday shopping season, didn't they just come out with the 4th gen ipod, oh, 3 or 4 months ago? You still have problems finding accessories for the 4th gen--most of the cases sold in the stores are still for the 3rd gen ipod.

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    1. Re:Next 30-60 days? by hype7 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      didn't they just come out with the 4th gen ipod, oh, 3 or 4 months ago?


      I think this is more likely to be marketed as an iPod plus rather than an iPod.

      Its existence would also help explain the relatively restricted supply 4 months out, plus it would also help explain that slip of the tongue by Toshiba about Apple wanting 60GB drives.

      -- james
  8. FM Tuner? by dl107227 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Someday they will manage the technological feat of incorporating an FM tuner into the IPod. When I have the option of listening to NPR or my music collection I may switch to the IPod. Right now I will stick with my IRiver player.

    1. Re:FM Tuner? by mgs1000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm guessing most people buy an iPod so they don't have to listen to the crap that's on FM radio today.

  9. Re:I dont get it. by PriceIke · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I totally get this. I carry photos around on my Palm all the time. When I come back from vacation or whatever, I can dump the images to the Palm and then I can show them to folks. As long as it's a very good screen (like the one on my Tungsten|T3) the pictures will show up very well.

    I also keep my T3 docked on my desk at work, and use the slide show feature to cycle through photos there while it's not in use. It makes a very appealing digital picture frame. An iPod in its dock, with a good color screen, would serve well in this capacity too.

    FWIW, IMHO, IANAL, prices and participation may vary.

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  10. The Killer App Would be... by Mean_Nishka · · Score: 4, Interesting
    ..an Apple smartphone ala the Treo 600. Imagine a mobile OSX based device with a 60 gig drive for playing music. Now that I'd pay a few hundred bucks for..

    When I bought my treo, I was so happy to ditch having to walk around with two geeky devices. So of course I ended up buying a 20 gig iPod and still walk around with two geeky devices. Jobs has said the smartphone is the future of the PDA - does that mean an eventual merging of these technologies?

    1. Re:The Killer App Would be... by Fred_A · · Score: 3, Funny

      That way when you're on hold, you can pick your own music ! brilliant !

      Quick ! patent it !

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  11. Maybe by blackmonday · · Score: 3, Informative

    This rumor seems plausible, but go to macrumors and there's always some rumor or another. Thinksecret may have the best record in getting it right, but their word isn't gold. Having said that:

    I'm not that excited about a photo iPod. I worry about battery life, because my 3rd gen gets only about 6 hours. The 4th gen is better, supposedly double, but it seems to me a color screen will severely drain battery life.

    Now that my powerbook has a DVD burner, I find it pretty easy to burn a picture DVD in DVD Studio Pro (not free), but it plays pretty much everywhere and the media is now dirt cheap in bulk. And it has music, menus, etc. The iPod just seems like a gimmick in this arena. But maybe Stebe will surprise me!

    PS Hey Stebe give me the wifi iPod rather than the photo iPod!

  12. Yes it did, but also... by Anaphiel · · Score: 5, Informative
    ... the iPod functions as a portable hard drive with a fast FireWire connection, which influenced my buying decision. I use it to carry files back and forth to clients and school more than I do for playing music.

    And if the new iPods can be connected directly to a digital camera to store, sort, review, and manage photos in the field, I'd be able to leave my laptop behind on shoots.

    The only time a new feature is a bad thing is if it impairs the access or usage of an existing feature. If Apple can implement picture viewing without changing the UI dramatically, or the input method (click wheel), and doesn't make the form factor too large or the battery life too short, I'm all for it.

    1. Re:Yes it did, but also... by Omega1045 · · Score: 4, Informative

      As did the Lord of the Rings movie crew. They used iPods as portable hard drives because the place Peter Jackson was staying at was a few blocks from high speed internet. They would dump large movie files onto the iPod (I assume via Firewire) and take them over to his place to view.

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  13. Only 6:55 AM in california, by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 3, Informative

    How long until Apple forces this article off the net?

    EXCLUSIVE: 60GB iPod to pack photo-viewing features

    By Ryan Katz, Senior Editor
    October 8, 2004 - After three years of being synonymous with "digital music player," Apple's iPod will widen its horizons and gain photo-viewing capabilities within the next 30 to 60 days, highly reliable sources tell Think Secret.

    The new iPod, which will sit at the top of Apple's fourth-generation line-up, will pack Toshiba's new 60GB 1.8-inch hard drive, a 2-inch color liquid crystal display, iPhoto synchronization, audio/video-out capabilities, and will sell for $499.

    The new iPod is currently in production in Asia after delays from Toshiba in delivering its new 60GB drive hampered a planned early-September ramp up. Sources confirm Toshiba started shipping the drive to Apple in mid-September and iPod manufacturer Inventec began building the new device in the last two weeks.

    The new iPod's form factor will be identical to the existing 4G iPods, sources report, but will be two millimeters thicker than the current 40GB iPod and marginally heavier.

    The 2-inch color screen is identical in size to other iPods, but will sport a higher resolution for photo viewing. However, the new device's real shining feature will be its video-out port, which will enable users to tote their photo galleries with them, ready to be plugged into any television for big-screen viewing.

    The 60GB iPod will feature only rudimentary built-in software for viewing photos, with no editing tools, sources say. Photo albums will be navigated in a similar fashion to music playlists, and a slideshow feature will provide transitions with user-specified background music, similar to iPhoto. Synchronizing features similar to iTunes will also be added to iPhoto.

    The new iPod won't feature built-in flash memory stick slots for downloading photos from digital cameras, although such a feature will presumably be able to be employed through Belkin's $99 Media Reader.

    Sources indicate that Apple will market the new photo iPod as being capable of storing 20,000 music tracks and 25,000 photos. As an added bonus for music fans, album artwork will be displayed on screen when it's available for a selected track.

    Rumors of a 60GB iPod first surfaced in June, when Toshiba said that it was in the process of developing a 60GB drive and, much to the ire of Apple, confirmed that the iPod maker had already committed to buying it in quantity.

  14. Great for digital cameras by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As digital cameras keep producing larger and larger file sizes, it's getting to be quite worthwhile to have someplace to dump the contents of your flash cards.
    If this new i-pod has a CF reader built in, I wouldn't need to carry half a dozen 512MB flash cards, I could just fill one card, dump it into the i-pod and keep on shooting.
    Devices like this do exist already, but none of them are really easy to use and carry.

  15. Just don't by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Drop it in the toilet of the men's restroom at your office.

  16. Re:iPods lick balls by monkubus · · Score: 3, Funny

    ipods lick balls.


    So...you can't afford one either, eh?

  17. Visualation by moberry · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What i would like to see is a winamp style visualation feature. Just use a QVGA 16-bit color screen.

    I know, you dont NEED it, but it would be better than picture support.

  18. Add-ons could be great by MacEnvy · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Not only would this be a great image dump for memory cards (with a firewire adapter), but think of the possibilities with another add-on:

    A digital camera adapter

    I could see a 4 MP camera that would attach right to the bottom of the iPod. Now that would be cool, an iPod with photo-taking capabilities. There might just be a good market for that. Plus, 60 GB of photos in your camera would be sweet ...

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  19. Re:Not a chance by twbecker · · Score: 5, Informative

    They're not going to market it as a 5G, but rather the top of the line 4G. From TFA:

    "The new iPod, which will sit at the top of Apple's fourth-generation line-up, will pack Toshiba's new 60GB 1.8-inch hard drive, a 2-inch color liquid crystal display, iPhoto synchronization, audio/video-out capabilities, and will sell for $499."

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  20. Re:Digital Rights Management? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, I hate how their portable digital music player only plays DRM music.

    Oh, wait, that is not Apple, that is Sony.

    Well, I still hate how their media player software really only wants to rip in a DRM/proprietary format.

    Oh, wait, that is not Apple, that is Microsoft.

    What is Apple doing again?

    Your argument is analogous to not buying a certain car because it comes with a tow-hook standard, and saying "I don't buy into this towing nonsense. I am not buying anything with a tow-hook." The damn car still works fine if you completely ignore the presence of the tow-hook!

    News flash: You do not have to use DRM at all on the iPod.

  21. Cost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The best part is it'll be just 2mm thicker than regular iPods.

    Yeah, but how much thinner will your wallet be?

  22. Album art by dimer0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Oh, it would be wicked cool if the iPod would display the album art of any songs it's playing - with the song name superimposed over the top. Ahh

    Imagine what this capability would do for the interface in general...

    Yum. I'd buy.

  23. What about recording? by gidds · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I'm still waiting for the much-rumoured ability to record music on my 3G iPod...

    And I'm not talking about voice notes, either, but CD-quality, stereo, uncompressed audio, from a mic or line input. The iPod chipset is supposed to support this already, so all it would need is a software update. Apparently...

    I do concert recordings (with permission), and that would make things so much easier. [fx: sigh]

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  24. Archos? by smartguy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yawn...

    Archos AV400 supports audio, video (divx/xvid), photos and act as a USB external drive too. 80GB models are available today and work with most any OS.

    It seems to me that iPods tend to be more of a status symbol than a breakthrough in technology.

    [This is not meant as a flame. I own a 17" Powerbook myself.]

  25. Re:iPods lick balls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    ipods lick balls.

    Now I see why they are so expensive.

  26. The beginning of Apple's "media center" strategy by daveschroeder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is it. The beginning of Apple's "media center" strategy.

    And it's completely different from the way Microsoft and others are approaching it.

    Everyone else has been going about it from the respect of making a whole freaking separate *computer* a part of your entertainment/AV center. A computer with its own maintenance and patching needs, another computer that needs to be upgraded, another computer to break, etc.

    Apple started it with AirPort Express...a wireless device, that integrates with your existing wireless or wired network, integrates with your entertainment center, has analog and digital optical audio outputs, and seamlessly meshes with the applications and techniques you ostensibly already use (or will switch to) for managing your music collection.

    Now, an iPod, with a massive amount of storage, and clearly with a dock or some other capability to attach to an external video device, such as a TV, even if only for viewing photos. This means that some type of interface - whether it's on the TV or the iPod's own screen - has been built to navigate through items that reside on the iPod. Meaning that video playback (as long as the iPod and/or dock can handle the playback/decoding) would be trivial.

    Imagine this: download a movie or other video content on your Mac. Perhaps via the iTunes Store. Sync with your iPod. Drop your iPod into its dock at your entertainment center. Select content (a movie?) and play. Simple. Clean. Doesn't require you to have 45 computers.

    So, yes, this new iPod is "just as expensive" as a PC someone might build or buy to integrate into your entertainment center as a media PC. But think about NORMAL PEOPLE for a second. Think about how unbelievably cool this is.

  27. iPod + iSight = camcorder by waffffffle · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If this turns out to be true, and the iPod ends up having a nice color screen then Apple could have a real winner on their hands with the iPod + iSight combination. Right now the iSight only needs a firewire connection. With a color screen it would now be possible to use the two as a camcorder if Apple would support this. Apple sent college students to both the democratic and republican conventions with iBooks and iSights to do interviews with the delegates. It seems pretty obvious that that camcorder-like feature is on Apple's radar screen. Personally I could care less about video and more about audio recording. I wish Apple would allow 44.1khz lossless recording with the iPod. Then the iPod (plus external battery) would supplant the portable DAT recorder as the primary tool for LEGAL concert tapers. This is not piracy, but sanctioned recording from the artists. For more information see archive.org/audio

  28. Hmmmm...iPorn... by Gilmoure · · Score: 4, Funny

    on my PornPod. Cool!

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  29. Re:How to use your iPod for video/photo playback! by celerityfm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    More thoughts:

    Step 1) Find or write software to convert JPEG into audio files

    Step 2) Find or create hardware to decode the sounds you get from playing back those files into signals that your TV understands over an RCA cable or what have you

    Step 3) Insert iPod in between the product of step 1 and the product of step 2

    This time it really applies:

    Step 4) ????

    Step 5) Profit!

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