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XM Radio Hacked by Car Computer Hobbyists

An anonymous reader writes "There is an article over at News.com that talks about a small Florida company called Hybrid Mobile Solutions, that hacked XM Radio. They created a cable and software that makes the new XM Commander and XM Direct units work just like an XMPCR. They are in negotiations with TimeTrax to allow recording of XM Radio to MP3's. XMPCR was canned due to this late last month."

189 comments

  1. XMPCR? by julesh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've never come across the term before. Anyone got a handy explanation?

    1. Re:XMPCR? by TheJavaGuy · · Score: 4, Informative
      I've never come across the term before. Anyone got a handy explanation?

      Check this out.

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    2. Re:XMPCR? by erick99 · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's the personal computer receiver for XM satellite radio. XM used to sell it but discontinued it when the TimeTrax software came out that allowed the XMPCR user to record music from the XMPCR hardware. The RIAA was apparently behind that action.

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    3. Re:XMPCR? by moonsorrow · · Score: 0
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    4. Re:XMPCR? by julesh · · Score: 1

      Hmmm... that link's redirecting straight to the XM Radio home page.

    5. Re:XMPCR? by eseiat · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here is the official definition of what it is, picture and all.

      Basically, XM canned this because people were recording the stream and distributing it over the web. Since XM is a premium service, they didn't want their shows being disseminated over the web so they have cancelled this product and will most likely create something new that is less easy to record from, although I'm sure it won't be impossible for the 1337 hackers out there.

    6. Re:XMPCR? by TheJavaGuy · · Score: 2, Informative
      Hmmm... that link's redirecting straight to the XM Radio home page.

      I'm using an opera browser and it goes to the correct page. I just checked with IE and the results is like what you said.

      Here is a chached version for IE users.

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    7. Re:XMPCR? by julesh · · Score: 1

      Ah. I think it's because we're slashdotting it. I was trying to investigate what was going on, so I looked at it through lynx, which gave the right page... then I tried to grab the source with lynx -source, and got the home page. Trying again got the right page; I think the server's dropping a cached copy of the home page on people whenever it's too busy to serve up individual requests for other pages.

    8. Re:XMPCR? by CptnSbaitso · · Score: 5, Informative

      XMPCR is the XM PC Receiver for XM Satellite Radio. It is a USB device which connects to a Windows PC (with the included software, but there are Linux, Macintosh and Perl versions). It streams XM radio into your sound card and makes it extremely easy to record. It provide artist and title with each track so that you can even record songs and label them with the appropriate artist and title automatically.

      Of course, we are just speaking hypothetically. :-) These were being offered for $50 dollars until about one month ago, when XM discontinued them. Since then, many folks have been trying to find a way to produce XMPCRs.

      For a little more info (and a photo), check out the XMFan Store. They are now very difficult (or expensive) to find. Personally, I don't know that I could be talked into selling mine!

    9. Re:XMPCR? by julesh · · Score: 3, Informative

      But the slashdot thieves will argue that they have some sorta 'right' to steal it.

      I suspect they will. It's called the MPAA v Betamax decision; it states you have a legal right to make recordings for the purpose of 'time shifting'.

    10. Re:XMPCR? by strictfoo · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't think you quite have a grasp on what "derivative" means. It's close to what you think, but not quite:

      Definitions:
      Obtained by derivation; derived; not radical, original, or fundamental; originating, deduced, or formed from something else; secondary; as, a derivative conveyance; a derivative word.

      A derivative work, based for example on a XM radio broadcast, would be if you were to take the content of that broadcast and use it to make your own production or broadcast. Creating derivative works is similar to covering a previously recorded song, or sampling a song to use in your song (see Rap).

      A MP3 != a derivative work.

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    11. Re:XMPCR? by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ripping CD's and shipping them across the inet for all to use I would agree with you is illegal (not piracy, but illegal).

      Recording satellite radio to listen to later is akin to recording a football game off of satellite TV to watch later. Are you telling me that all the people who record shows either on the VCR, TIVO, or their computer to watch at a different time are stealing?

    12. Re:XMPCR? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pleez, this is such a troll. Don't even go there. It's just some bored, stoned college kid in a dorm trying to get a rise out of you. Just ignore it.

    13. Re:XMPCR? by roche · · Score: 1

      I suspect they will. It's called the MPAA v Betamax decision; it states you have a legal right to make recordings for the purpose of 'time shifting'. The problem isn't the fact you can record something from XM. The problem is that TimeTrax seperates the songs itself and applies the proper id tages on them. You can go to bed and wake up the next morning with several hundred mp3s on your machine all labeled correctly and ready for distribution.

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    14. Re:XMPCR? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The "digital quality" label is just a marketing buzz. Neither satellite services offers anything close to CD quality. Its not as good even as the 128 bit stuff that iTMS uses.

      Its slightly better (only slightly) better than FM radio.

      Yes, I do have a receiver, thanks.

    15. Re:XMPCR? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i thought a derivative was an equation which gives the rate of change at a given point (dy/dx).

    16. Re:XMPCR? by MarkGriz · · Score: 3, Funny

      Are you telling me that all the people who record shows either on the VCR, TIVO, or their computer to watch at a different time are stealing?

      Only if you skip past the commercials :-)

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    17. Re:XMPCR? by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      No it does not. Feel free to find a case with that name, and having done so, finding the pertinent part of the opinion so that you can post it.

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    18. Re:XMPCR? by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 1

      Wow! I had never read that interview piece before. By his definition I've been stealing TV or a long time - and I only have a remote control.

    19. Re:XMPCR? by glam0006 · · Score: 0
      Personally, I don't know that I could be talked into selling mine!

      What if I offered 10 million USD? Change your mind?

    20. Re:XMPCR? by PriceIke · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > You can go to bed and wake up the next morning with several hundred mp3s on your machine all labeled correctly and ready for distribution.

      You just assume that everyone who uses TimeTrax does so for the purpose of distributing music.

      Let me ask you .. what is the point of this? Do you really think people get a CD and go, "ooh, I can rip all of these songs and UPLOAD them to thousands and thousands of people I don't even know! W00T!" No. The point of TimeTrax was so people can listen to what they want whenever they want on whatever they want .. PC, Linux box, MP3 player, sunglasses, what the hell ever. They're paying for the music by subscribing to XM .. by using TimeTrax it gives them more control over the music than the RIAA wants them to have, so ipso facto it must be a "crime"?

      The electronics industry are more and more doing their damnest to limit and restrain the freedom of their customers to use their products however they want. By assuming every customer might actually use their brain and think of a new way to apply the product, they work on the assumption therefore that each customer is a potential criminal.

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    21. Re:XMPCR? by PriceIke · · Score: 1

      PIRATE! THEIF! Turn yourself in now before the $INDUSTRY_NAME sues you.

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    22. Re:XMPCR? by geoffspear · · Score: 1

      While there's nothing illegal about changing channels during commercials, people like you will be morally responsible for head-explosion deaths when the networks are forced to develop blipverts. Can you handle that kind of responsibility?

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    23. Re:XMPCR? by julesh · · Score: 1

      I'll admit I'm only repeating & summarising other people's commentary on the named case. Have I missed something?

    24. Re:XMPCR? by tepples · · Score: 1

      In Sony v. Universal (1984), the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that timeshifting was a fair use of a transmission of a copyrighted work and that devices with substantial noninfringing uses, such as devices designed for timeshifting, aren't considered Evil Pirate Contraband(tm). Taping off the radio is timeshifting.

    25. Re:XMPCR? by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      That's better.

      The important thing to note is that not all timeshifting is necessarily fair use; the Court only had to determine that it qualified as a potential, substantial, noninfringing use. Fair use is the antithesis of a bright line rule; every case must be analyzed on its own facts. Thus there is not an absolute right to time shift.

      And not all taping off the radio will necessarily be considered time shifting; if you keep the taped copy permanently, the fair use analysis will have to take that into account, and might come out differently. (AHRA taping, when it occurs, is specifically nonactionable, so will not be analyzed at all)

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    26. Re:XMPCR? by grouchyDude · · Score: 1

      While we are at it, I am amazed at how effective the MPAA campaign to redefine stealing has been. It might be *illegal* to copy songs or give them away or whatever, but I still don't think it's stealing. Rather, the fact so many are willing to *call it* stealing is a great example of newspeak, or brainwashing, or how effective advertising is. (Please spare us the explanation of why this is/isn't illegal -- that's not the point.)

    27. Re:XMPCR? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it's redirecting to a cache of goatse.cx, don't click it! Unless you want to learn the hard way, like me.

  2. More info and some questions by erick99 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Their website does not have a whole lot of information though the XM product is their along with the $45 price and a shopping cart that allows you to order. What the site does not tell you is how this works with an existing XM account. For example, I have a subscription and a Roady I reciever. Would I be able to use the PC product and still use my Roady or does entering the subscription/radio code into the PC product "turn off" the Roady? XM charges an addtional $6.99 per month per device for up to four addtional receivers. Still, I'd pay the extra money to have the PC product. In my case it's not for recording as much as to be able to stream the music easily throughout my house. They also do not provide any software themselves right now though their website indicates they are working on developing a relationship with TimeTrax that I assume will allow them to bundle the software with their hardware. I think this would be a very popular offering. I wonder how long it will take before XM Radio or the RIAA gets a cease an desist order from a judge.

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    1. Re:More info and some questions by Dare+nMc · · Score: 1

      ya, it doesn't interface with the Roady.
      They will sell you a XMDIRECT box, that you will have to subscribe as a second reciever, and keep connected to your pc.
      http://www.timetraxtech.com/tt_wizard_timetraxcomp lete.asp
      or if you have broadband, you can just pay $3 a month instead of $9, and get a streamripper on your PC. not sure if how you will get the filenameing/etc though.

    2. Re:More info and some questions by 4phun · · Score: 1

      I just rechecked their website and Timetrx 2.5 now works with their product. It is worth and additional $7 for another XM subscription. I need one in the house anyway for my wife. Vic

    3. Re:More info and some questions by 4phun · · Score: 2, Informative

      I had to leave last night for an overnight trip so I didn't me to anser your question and leave a few tips. First, you must subscribe to activate the xmDirect unit. This is an xmdecoder in a 'breakout box' designed to interface to car radios already built to add on XM. What the folks in Florida have done is provide a computer interface similar to the old XMPCR. You still need to provide an external six-volt power supply and a audio amplifier which can be your computer sound card and amplified speakers. xmDirect comes with an antenna for use on the car. These cost thirty dollars alone. xmDirect is on sale at Circuit City for $44 right now. You will need the adapter from the guys in Florida which is another $45 and you will need to get their free SDK and write your own software or else you must buy TimeTrax 2.5 for another $30. This will allow you to rip satellite radio signals to your PC hard disk in MP3 format with name and composer automatically supplied by XM. This ability is what stunned RIAA especially after they have fought so hard to stop people from sharing their tunes via the internet. They would have no way of knowing who to sue next if geeks were grabbing the tunes right of the air which would be untraceable by their lawyers and snitches. There is another outfit selling a competing product for $170 based on the xmDirect which includes all you need. Look at the xmFAN site for details. Now XM charges you $10 for one decoder and $7 for each additional one for personal use. TIP you can call customer service and deactivate one hardware unit and activate another without paying a fee. You must pay a ten dollar (or fifteen if you do it over the phone) activation fee for each new hardware item you have going at the same time. I have two Roadys so I can suspend one and activate the xmDirect hardware for no charge with a simple phone call, later I can switch back to two active Roadys and let the xmDirect go inactive. But the xmDirect has a lot of potential in the car, not just the home which makes it a better value than the xmPCR. Use xmDirect connected to the computer to rip MP3s and then reinstall it in your car for live audio while you commute. Vic Ki4je

  3. TimeTrax... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Seems they don't need any help from these guys. They have made their own device to replace the pulled XMPCR...

    1. Re:TimeTrax... by erick99 · · Score: 1

      Their website indicates that you need an XM radio to which their USB cable and adapter connect.

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    2. Re:TimeTrax... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Yes, you do need an XM Radio. But now you don't need to go buy one of the special XMPCR radios on eBay for an outrageous sum of cash anymore!

    3. Re:TimeTrax... by steve6534 · · Score: 2, Informative

      According to xmfanstore.com you can use timetrax directly with the new DirectPCR : (DirectPCR)

  4. Seems a bit silly... by Sheetrock · · Score: 2, Funny
    That anybody would pay a monthly fee to a company that won't let them record.

    Of course all that really matters is Air America Radio, and that's on all day.

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    1. Re:Seems a bit silly... by erick99 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It really depends on what you use it for. I got the XM radio and subscription because the over-the-air and Internet choices for talk radio are so limited. I like to listen to ESPN radio pretty much around the clock and XM has two channels of ESPN plus four or five other sports channels. I also enjoy talk radio and there are quite a few choices for that as well. I am probably unusual in this regard but I rarely use the XM for music and the stuff I do use it for I don't need to record. I have had the subscription since May and it has been a great experience for a news/talk radio/sports junky.

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    2. Re:Seems a bit silly... by christowang · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can record though. That's like saying who would buy cable and a tv if you can't record.

      All you need is any of the units and a tape deck instead of a vcr, or you could output it to your computer, or anything else that accepts audio input.

    3. Re:Seems a bit silly... by qray · · Score: 1

      TiVo for radio! RaVio? RaTiVo? RaDiVo?

    4. Re:Seems a bit silly... by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

      TiVo for radio! RaVio? RaTiVo? RaDiVo?

      TV with io mixed in, = TiVo
      AM with io mixed in, = AiMo
      FM with io mixed in, = FiMo
      XM with io mixed in, = XiMo

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    5. Re:Seems a bit silly... by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      So a recorder for K Band radio would be KiBo?

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    6. Re:Seems a bit silly... by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

      I think I'd call it "ski boots".

      LK

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  5. It's all been done before...(not a complete dupe?) by AcquaCow · · Score: 0, Redundant
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  6. that seals the deal! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its is now officially worth an XM radio subscription! (Especially when youre out in remote places, such as Wyoming for me, where the static radio provides us with bad country and a multitude of gospel channels!)

    1. Re:that seals the deal! by Triumph+The+Insult+C · · Score: 2

      satellite radio is very nice. it is definitely worth the $10-$12/mo

      i just drove from phoenix to denver about 3 weeks ago. the *only* time i lost the signal was driving through the canyons east of taos, nm. on the way back, i was on the interstate the whole way and never once lost signal. similarly, on a drive from phoenix to lake tahoe 2 years ago, the only time i lost signal was while driving through the canyons at hoover dam

      xm has treated me well for the past 2+ years, but i'll soon be switching to sirius (for a few reasons ... howard stern, clear channel, sirius lets you listen over the net as part of your subscription, etc)

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    2. Re:that seals the deal! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sirius dot NOT let you listen to anything other than the music channels on the net. No sports/no news/no entertainment. Thats why Im cancelling my subscription. I was it ALL streamed on the net.

      I dont care what anyone says...satellite radio just isnt "there" yet.

    3. Re:that seals the deal! by Tsiangkun · · Score: 1

      I'm confused . . .
      Sirus does have talk shows, sports, entertainment etc I can listen to through the receiver device . . . but DOES NOT make this content available via the net ??

      Is that correct, or am I misunderstanding what you said.

    4. Re:that seals the deal! by MadBiologist · · Score: 1

      That's correct... Sirius can't rebroadcast content that is not exclusive to them... therefor, they don't stream over the web, the talk programming, the sports programming, or the news programming... just the music. At a very low bit rate, so it's not the greatest sounding either.

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    5. Re:that seals the deal! by MadBiologist · · Score: 1

      Clear Channel? They own 2% or less of XM, and may provide a few stations... they dropped so much of their stake in XM, that they lost their seat on the board last year...

      Howard comes on in 2006! That's a year and a half... geesh...

      I have both services, and often listen to Sirius, so I don't want to come across as knocking them, I love the music on a few stations, and really like the NFL station.... but those seems like pretty lame reasons to drop XM.

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  7. Hackers? by Underholdning · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wouldn't call it hacking. More like reverse engineering the old service and building a new.
    Call me a nitpicker, but the term hacker is growing too wide for my taste.

    1. Re:Hackers? by julesh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, I think this is pretty close to the original meaning of 'hacking' -- cobbling together a piece of equipment to do what you want when there's no commercially available system to do it.

    2. Re:Hackers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right no the money. The term "hacker" has grown to encompass a lot of negative actions that it didn't originally intend.

    3. Re:Hackers? by RedShoeRider · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Interesting side note to that: Motorcycles with side-cars are called "hacks" in the cycling community, for that very reason: They were hacked together, back in the day.

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    4. Re:Hackers? by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't call it hacking. More like reverse engineering the old service and building a new.

      That's pretty much what the original hackers did. Took existing things and changed them to suit their needs.

      LK

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    5. Re:Hackers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the original meaning was "to hit with an axe".

    6. Re:Hackers? by Fnkmaster · · Score: 3, Informative

      There was no reverse engineering of the service itself by these guys, or of the XM Tuner unit. The tuner module found in every XM unit speaks the same serial protocol as the PCR, and the PCR protocol was deciphered ages ago by dobbz, nsayer, and others from the XMFan board (and later apparently nsayer was assisted in filling in the gaps by XM themselves when they actually supported the 3rd party XMPCR development community).

      This is just a serial protocol translator, one of at least 3 or 4 separate implementations that have popped up in the last 3 or 4 weeks - a modest reverse engineering of the XMDirect's headunit protocol, translating (probably 1:1) serial commands to the internal tuner (tincan) serial format.

    7. Re:Hackers? by GSITPilot · · Score: 1
      Actually, the protocol used by the XMDirect is slightly different than that used by the PCR, different enough that existing applications will not work with it.

      We (TimeTrax) have released our own interface to the XMDirect, along with a version of TimeTrax that works with both the XMPCR and the XM Direct. Our interface is less than half the cost of other interfaces, so you might want to check ours out first. http://www.timetraxtech.com

    8. Re:Hackers? by Fnkmaster · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's what I said, these cables are "serial protocol translators". The XMDirect uses a different protocol to speak with headunits - I presume because XM first designed them they didn't want to give out documentation to authorized adapter cable makers like Blitzsafe with the internal serial protocol used by the tuner tincan, so they threw in an Atmel to translate serial instructions.

    9. Re:Hackers? by Fnkmaster · · Score: 1

      An update: at my site. The XMDirect "protocol" is just a trivial header of 3 XM 5AA5 serial opcodes. Like I predicted, it was a trivial thing to dump with a serial monitor and figure this out (I just didn't realize quite how trivial it would be).

  8. almost slashdotted, hurry up and get to it by a3217055 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well XM Radio hacking great, I bet it is gonna be a FCC violation like those people who hack Direct TV. Anyway good to see the counter culture at work. By the way this fancy smancy page is gonna die.

    1. Re:almost slashdotted, hurry up and get to it by acoustix · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Isn't it stange that the FCC says that they can't regulate satelite TV, but then they turn around and prosecute people who hack the signal?

      Either you can regulate satelite transmissions or you can't. Make up your mind!

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    2. Re:almost slashdotted, hurry up and get to it by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      I wish the FCC'd look into XM Radio using "XM" as a call sign since that's assigned to Mexico. ("I'm on a Mexican radio...")

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    3. Re:almost slashdotted, hurry up and get to it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a difference between regulating the satellite TV content and the actual transmission and reception of the signal.

      I'm of the opinion that the FCC should only regulate to prevent interference between radios and other RF emmiters.

    4. Re:almost slashdotted, hurry up and get to it by tepples · · Score: 1

      Comms satellites do fly over the southern sky, you know.

  9. XMPCR is another way of saying by Triumph+The+Insult+C · · Score: 5, Informative

    a $250 profit

    the XMPCR is a little box that allows you to listen to XM radio on your pc/mac/sun (mac/sun supported by 3rd party apps). it's a little box that has an audio out which you simply plug in to your mic or line-in. it's controlled via usb (the unit internally has a usb->serial adapter which happens to be well supported by *bsd, linux, etc).

    the protocol that goes over the usb cable (used to change channels, etc) was reverse engineered, and people started making all sorts of applications to play with them. timetrax is one that allows you to record the music, as well as automatically add the title, artist, etc info to the ripped song

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    1. Re:XMPCR is another way of saying by strictfoo · · Score: 5, Informative

      XMPCR replacement: DirectPCR

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    2. Re:XMPCR is another way of saying by Technician · · Score: 1

      and people started making all sorts of applications to play with them.

      So just about the time they have a killer application that people would want, they kill it.

      I'd be interested in creating playlists, building a library, using it it at parties, etc. Just about the time I have a reason to subscribe, it's called theft and is forbidden the TOS. Well I have a TOS for the use of my paycheck. They haven't agreed to it yet. I'm having my doubts they ever will. (Translation, I vote with my pocketbook. I doubt they are going to put my wish list up for a vote.)

      I guess I'm going to have to stick with my MP3 collection for the juke box for now.

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    3. Re:XMPCR is another way of saying by Triumph+The+Insult+C · · Score: 1

      yup. that's why these things are selling for $300+ on ebay. it's crazy

      i got lucky and bought mine about 2 months before xm stopped selling them. $49.95 is what i paid

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    4. Re:XMPCR is another way of saying by beakerMeep · · Score: 1

      DONT plug it into your mic-in! my ears are bleeding just thinking about that. :)

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    5. Re:XMPCR is another way of saying by Technician · · Score: 1

      i got lucky and bought mine about 2 months before xm stopped selling them. $49.95 is what i paid

      Well lucky sort of... Just because you can doesn't mean you have permission. Read the TOS. Using 3rd party software to extend the abilities beyond the terms of service may be a legal risk.

      In terms of service, you wouldn't be doing any of the following forbidden activies would you?

      You may not otherwise reproduce, perform, distribute, display or create derivative works from the Content

      I know it sucks. That is why I'm not a subscriber. Someday, (hopefully) they will provide a service I would like to subscribe to. In the meantime, I'm keeping my money.

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    6. Re:XMPCR is another way of saying by Triumph+The+Insult+C · · Score: 1

      no. i play by the rules. i had thought about maybe setting up my computer to stream so i could listen at work, but i haven't gotten around to it. now that i have reasons to switch to sirius, that won't be necessary anymore since sirius subscribers can already listen on the net (xm requires you to pay an additional $2/mo or so)

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    7. Re:XMPCR is another way of saying by Recip_saw · · Score: 1

      I sort of doubt they are going to be able to create that service for the amount you are willing to pay. The rights holders (RIAA, ASCAP, BMI, et al) set the terms to XM on how they can use the songs. Not XM. They are just passing the restrictions along to you, the consumer. XM can't make a leopard lose its spots.

  10. Re:It's all been done before...(not a complete dup by dr+bacardi · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not a dupe.

    The other stories you linked to are regarding the xmpcr which is no longer available.

    This story is about an interface hack that allows you to use XM radio units originally intended for use in a car on your computer.

  11. oy by rmull · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does an obscure interface as a copy-protection mecahnism? Because I'd say it was just circumvented.

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  12. Seppocjt, reverse engineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not a native English speaker. What meaning "reverse engineering" has outside the computer world?

    1. Re:Seppocjt, reverse engineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It something shady that government "agents" do to UFO's. That's how we got tinfoil and the electric razor.

    2. Re:Seppocjt, reverse engineering by Satan+Dumpling · · Score: 1

      Means taking something apart/studying it to find out how it works. So you can then modify it, or build your own version.

  13. did they ever patch this "hack"? by evilmousse · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    someone told me once how to get xm radio free,
    but i have no idea whether it's true or not.

    since sattelite is strictly 1-way communication,
    the receiver itself locks and unlocks service
    based on it's receiving a message from the
    sattelite like "s/n#1234, lock service".
    the hack comes in by exploiting the undocumented
    habits of these turn on/off packets. because
    of the volume of messages to send since they're
    non-unique and every receiver ignores messages
    that are not for their serial#, the "turn off"
    signals are broadcast once every while
    for 6mo-1yr after you let your service lapse.
    The hack then is to disconnect the power entirely
    from your XM radio for a year after letting
    your service expire, ereafterwards it's free.

    so, is this urban legend? makes sense to me.
    it would be easily thwarted by rebroadcasting
    the totality of disallowed s/ns every once
    in a while, which i would suspect they might do.

    1. Re:did they ever patch this "hack"? by Natchswing · · Score: 1

      This is probably true. However, it wouldn't surprise me if XM simply goes back once every 6 months and sends out cancel messages for all known cancelled accounts. I'd bet you could use it for a while but eventually they'll just run an additional "kill" message for all the deactivated devices.

    2. Re:did they ever patch this "hack"? by nukem1999 · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's true. On my recently purchased GM car, I got XM and it came with a free 3 month trial. Once, I parked in a spot that got an intermittant signal. I started up the car, the radio stalled for a few seconds, and came up "Locked" or something like that and switched to the XM "Hey, this is what you can get if you subscribe!" station. I pulled out of my spot, turned the radio off and then back on, and it worked fine.

    3. Re:did they ever patch this "hack"? by snark42 · · Score: 1

      I think the real trick is/was to lock the internal memory (some sort of TSOP packaged EEPROM I believe)so that it won't accept any programming cancelation messages after you subscribe, then cancel.

      I also heard it's possible to "clone" the subbed chip to another radio. It would all require some serious solder re-work skills though. I'm sure there's a website somewhere.

    4. Re:did they ever patch this "hack"? by Phil+Wherry · · Score: 1

      I don't think this would work, actually.

      XM's data stream is encrypted. I have no inside knowledge of the matter other than the fact that I'm a paying subscriber to the service. That said, I imagine that what's sent down to your receiver every so often is the crypto keys required to decrypt the audio channels (I'd guess one key per channel or service tier, to allow for premium services, sports blackouts, etc.).

      Since this audio decryption key is going to be the same for every radio, it's further encrypted against a unique key in the radio. Your radio receives a broadcast containing its serial number and an encrypted key. I wouldn't be surprised at all if there were actually multiple keys sent, along with validity periods (use this key until time X, then this key until time Y, etc.). Your radio then uses its unique key to decrypt the shared keys, and stores them away in its memory.

      Providing multiple keys in advance makes things a lot easier when you can't guarantee that a particular receiver will be on to receive the key; if you provide enough keys in advance and cycle through them slowly enough (say, one per week), you can be sure that most radios in regular use will get an updated key set before that key goes into use.

      The problem with leaving an XM radio off for a long period of time is that you'll miss these key updates. While the radio may not have been specifically deactivated, the lack of any valid decryption keys is basically the same thing in the end. If you miss the deactivation signal, you can listen so long as you have valid keys. But if I were architecting the security of XM's system, I'd have arranged things so that the "deactivate now" signals are sent periodically for at least as long as the end of the validity period for the longest-lived key available when the receiver was unsubscribed. So, if you listen while your keys are still valid, chances are good that you'll get deactivated by having your crypto keys overwritten. If you aren't listening, this can't happen, of course--but you also don't have access to the signal.

      For legitimate subscribers: if you DO happen to lose service on an infrequently-used radio because it didn't receive an activation signal in a long time, XM has a web page that will let you cause the relevant data for your radio to be sent quickly, rather than waiting for it to roll around in periodic update cycle.

      Phil

    5. Re:did they ever patch this "hack"? by fred911 · · Score: 1

      Last I heard was the only method of "testing" signal without a sub was to clone a valid sub.

      All that requires is cloning the TSOP. Sounds like a PITA for the time it takes to fix vs the cost of the service (not to mention the obvious).

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    6. Re:did they ever patch this "hack"? by Technician · · Score: 1

      For legitimate subscribers:

      This seems to disprove the hack. They don't send a lock signal. They fail to send a re-validation and the subscription times out.

      Sounds like someone trying to get someone else to try out his theory without him having to leave an unused $100 reciever offline for a year. Nice try but no takers.

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    7. Re:did they ever patch this "hack"? by snark42 · · Score: 1

      Cloning a current or past sub and making the "TSOP" readonly would work then? Or does the "TSOP" have to be read/write for the radio to function?

    8. Re:did they ever patch this "hack"? by evilmousse · · Score: 1


      it only disproves it if it's true.
      everything posted is heresay.

      i have an mp3-cd player in my car.
      i have no intention of ever getting XM, free or not.

      thanks for your accusation though.

    9. Re:did they ever patch this "hack"? by Recip_saw · · Score: 1

      Urban legend. It will not work. XM works on a positive authorization that must be received and properly decrypted for your radio. The radio will automatically lock if, after being turned off for six months, it does not receive an authorization with in about 45 minutes of being turned on (its actually a count of the number of blocks of info, but that's close enough).

      There has been a great deal of misinformation about XM's authorization and decryption scheme spread about across the Net and places like 2600 (most of which has been laughable). Most of it has been written by people who do not understand the basics of satellite communications and are trying to apply what they know from the computing world. The one way nature of satellite com, without a back channel, means that totally different methods are required.

      Secondly, XM learned from DirectTV's troubles - nothing as simple as cloning a EEPROM is going to work. Having the entire system on one chip (which it has been after the first generation of radios), with only an encrypted input and an audio output, with a control channel to change the channel, without access to any intermediate stages, is going to limit your ability to poke the circuit. There are three layers of encryption you have to beat. Hardly worth the effort for a $10 a month service.

    10. Re:did they ever patch this "hack"? by evilmousse · · Score: 1


      now THIS i beleive. thank you.

    11. Re:did they ever patch this "hack"? by fred911 · · Score: 1

      Someone told me what they did was remove the TSOP from the unit, place it in their echostar IRD and dumped a current sub to the TSOP, then reinstalled it in the unit. Making it a true clone.

      Someone told me the bird never addresses the TSOP in a write mode, like DTV irds do.

      That's what someone said... i dunno.

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  14. seems like a reasonable effort by samberdoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not like they are trying to get the service for free. This is for subscribers who want to use the service differently. You can make MP3's off of broadcast radio too.

    1. Re:seems like a reasonable effort by erick99 · · Score: 1

      That's a good point. The same audio-out cable that I have plugged into a reciever could be plugged into a recording device or split so that you could record and listen at the same time. You could also plug your XM radio into your PC. I don't know that the Roady I or II offers the same functionality of the PC specific devices.

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  15. Some Facts by diagnosis · · Score: 5, Informative

    XMPCR: Time-shifting software for PC-based XM radio receiveers.

    The new replacement: XmDirect Tuner Interface Cable. From the manufacturer:

    With this cable and our software you will once again be able listen to XM satellite radio in your home or in your car using the included Hybrid eXeM interface along with the xmDirect...The SDK is available for developers that want to continue using xm radio within their applications.

    The email address to request the SDK (by the way, serious points for offering AND publicizing the SDK) is sdk at hybrid-mobile dot com.

    A cool picture: This picture shows the adapter plugged into what looks like the butt of a Dell laptop.

    What is going to happen: Someone is going to get the crap sued out of them.

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    1. Re:Some Facts by dschuetz · · Score: 3, Informative
      Some other facts:
      • It's not been conclusively proven that the recording features of TimeTrax hastened the demise of the XM-PCR unit. In fact, IIRC, XM Radio hasn't even admitted that they've discontinued it. Many feel the PCR was on its way out regardless (which was part of why many sites were selling at steep discounts in the month or two prior to its disappearance).
      • This unit is basically just a pinout converter, maybe with level adjustment and such. The software must use the XM Direct protocol, which is different from the XM PCR protocl and has not yet been published (by anyone, even those who created this system).
      • Another system (at xmfan.com) includes a USB adaptor and a microcontroller-based protocol converter, that accepts the existing XM PCR commands and converts them to XM Direct. That system works with all existing software except the stock software distributed with XM PCR.
      What is going to happen: Someone is going to get the crap sued out of them.

      Why? They've done nothing wrong. In fact, they've done exactly what Terk/Blitzsafe is doing -- provided an interface between the XM Direct tuner module and a head unit. Only in this case the head unit is a PC, not a car radio.
    2. Re:Some Facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you know it's a Dell??

    3. Re:Some Facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Cause I have that model. (Latitude D600)

    4. Re:Some Facts by Spydr · · Score: 1

      XM Radio Online was launched on monday... i think this was meant as a replacement for it.

    5. Re:Some Facts by GSITPilot · · Score: 1

      Actually, the adapter in that picture is our own TimeTrax Connect adapter, engineered by us (well, by me, actually). It is NOT the Hybrid-Mobile adapter.

    6. Re:Some Facts by GSITPilot · · Score: 1
      This unit is basically just a pinout converter, maybe with level adjustment and such. The software must use the XM Direct protocol, which is different from the XM PCR protocl and has not yet been published (by anyone, even those who created this system).
      It's actually a bit more involved than just a pinout converter, and there was both software, protocol and hardware reverse engineering involved. But no, it's not rocket science.
  16. XM Radio isn't hacked. by artifex2004 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Someone recording sub-CD-quality music from a device they're required to have a subscription to use is a hack, yes, and may even be a good one if there are no native outputs... but it's not hacking the company.

    Saying "XM Radio got hacked" brings to mind ideas like

    1) someone's broken the subscription requirement,
    2) someone's broken into XM servers,
    3) someone's taken over XM's broadcast satellite system,

    etc.

    1. Re:XM Radio isn't hacked. by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You and this guy totally missed the point. Hacking is just making a system do something it wasn't designed to do, or making it do something it WAS designed to do but the functionality was not enabled for one reason or another. Writing code is hacking because you're adding new functionality. Finding a better way to do something and replacing original functionality is also covered by this term. So, perhaps unfortunately, is unauthorizedly logging into computer systems through hook and/or crook, though many of us have campaigned for that meaning to be replaced by the word "cracking" so as not to tarnish the word "hacker".

      Getting XM to do something it doesn't normally do is hacking.

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    2. Re:XM Radio isn't hacked. by artifex2004 · · Score: 1
      You and this guy totally missed the point. Hacking is just making a system do something it wasn't designed to do, or making it do something it WAS designed to do but the functionality was not enabled for one reason or another.

      Did you attempt to read my comment at all? The first line includes this:
      is a hack, yes, and may even be a good one if there are no native outputs

      I'm fully aware that reverse engineering is often a component of a great hack; my argument was over how the article was labelled. If the poster had said the playback restriction for XM had been hacked, or whatever, cool. Instead, it was much more vague.
      Getting XM to do something it doesn't normally do is hacking.

      I think you mean getting certain XM devices to do something they doesn't normally do.
    3. Re:XM Radio isn't hacked. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That'd be cracked, not hacked.

    4. Re:XM Radio isn't hacked. by phearlez · · Score: 1

      Hacking is just making a system do something it wasn't designed to do Yeah, just like "telegraphing your punch" means to tap out "your punch" in morse code, right? All you clowns who want to insist that a word means something other than how 95% of the population uses and understands it are of course free to do so, but you'd be well advised not to be annoyed/surprised/confused when people don't understand what you think you mean when you use it.

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  17. join the bands by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One terrific advantage of this hack will be combining XM and Sirius satellite radio receivers. Why choose between different channels in the same medium by buying one of two available boxes? It's like buying an AM or FM radio in the 1960s. Integrate two sets of HW into a device with one UI, as long as it's unified for user operations. Like with a single "bookmark" list of mixed channels; it will be simple enough to hide its inner complexity under the hood.

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    1. Re:join the bands by spoonyfork · · Score: 1

      While your idea has merit, it seems rather expensive. Today you can buy a simple AM/FM radio for $5 and get the "milk" for free. With your single unit for XM/Sirius you would pay ~$100+ for the radio plus ~$25+/month for both signals. After two years you will have spent for $700 for something that used to cost $5. That's a rather expensive advantage.

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    2. Re:join the bands by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      In the 1960s, AM radios still cost some money, and FM radios cost a lot. And money was worth something like 5x or more today's dollars (before inflation), especially for electronics. So after 2 years we will have spent $700 for something that could easily have cost that much, in constant dollars, if it was even available. And that includes the subscription to the content, while AM/FM broadcasts have been "free" (subsidized by commercials), with much less diversity of content (at least in any given area). Even given all that, I'm not sure that a combined Sirius/XM receiver is "worth it" - I'm sure my $100:mo cable bill is definitely *not* worth it.

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    3. Re:join the bands by spoonyfork · · Score: 1
      Let me put it another way. My mom has an AM/FM radio that she bought in a garage sale back in the '60s for a couple dollars. That radio still picks up AM/FM signals today. And in my opinion sounds just as good if not better than today's radios. While there are only a couple dozen land radio stations in any given area owned by a couple different companies, the point is this ~$2 ($10 in today's dollars??) investment 40 years ago still works today for free. To put this into today's sat technology context with the two stations for 40 years with constant monthly fee ($25) it would cost $12,000 (40 * 12 * 25).

      Now I know the arguments for sat radio over land radio: different technology, more content choices, better quality, fewer commercials. Ironically those were the same arguments to use FM over AM back in the day. You can bet that sat radio is going to have more and more commercials as time and number of subscribers increase. That's what happened to FM. The difference is, sat radio subscribers will be paying for radio with commercials (like cable/sat TV!) and no longer have a viable technology choice for distribution. Try hooking up a VHF/UHF TV set today and see the quality.

      Also, the number of choices is counter-intuitive. When given a very large number of choices, people tend to select from a small specific consistent group each time. When there are fewer choices people tend to select more broadly over the whole group. This is often referred to as too much choice. I'd love to see XM listener habit stats. I bet it is very interesting.

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    4. Re:join the bands by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      I remember when FM radio was worth the *time* to listen, and those days are long gone. That tech was cheaper, because it was less complex, and built on more existing tech. We'll get over this investment hump, achieve economies of scale. I doubt satellite radio will return us to the golden age of radio - I pay to watch commercials on cable. But I think a unit that combines XM and Sirius will drive down prices, and create a larger overall audience. And a software front end will allow 3rd party programs for selecting among broadcasts, once interfaced to broadcast scheduled databases. This whole field will get very interesting once it's opened up to appeal to more aggregated niches than their initial "on size wardrobe fits all" model.

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    5. Re:join the bands by spoonyfork · · Score: 1

      We'll get over this investment hump, achieve economies of scale.

      Perhaps. However I am putting my money on a different media in the near future: internet radio. "Always on" broadband 'net connection to my portable device (PDA, laptop, mobile phone, car, etc.) will offer a little more content and a little more interactivity at a similar monthly cost to sat radio.

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    6. Re:join the bands by ONU+CS+Geek · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure how putting an XM and a Sirius together really helps.

      I know this because I own both units and have them both installed in my work vehicle (I'm a field tech, so 40% of my work week is spent on the road). There are a lot of things that are different about the two. Sirius, has no "commercials." They put PSA's and their own ads in for their shows in the spots where commercials should air, however, that gets old fast (Case in Point, I'm so tired of hearing that Greg Brady is doing a show on the 70's channel today that I kept my XM on the Left Channel instead of listening to Air America Radio on the Sirius). Another nice thing about the sirius is that you can set it to remind you when a song or a show comes on.

      XM has a better selection of dance/trance music, and the sound is much bolder coming out of the receiver -- Compared to Sirius, the AAR/Left Feeds shound tinney on Sirius, but they EQ it different on the XM.

      I like both, work for neither; but each one has their positive points. Never had signal problems with either of them, and enjoy listening to both of them.

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    7. Re:join the bands by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      I'm with you. I think that content/media unity will launch satellite, and it will evolve into a medium, spinning off content networks. Satellite is best for mass broadcast, while Internet is best for connections, and cell/PCS has some of both. Satellite will really boom as DSP, radio and power tech evolves to allow some bidirectional comms. And intersatellite comm lasers promise a huge wireless bandwidth backbone. The most interesting contributions will come from different user interfaces from their different starting markets. As usual, the most interesting achievements will come from their cross-fertilization. Converging the two satellite networks is just a necessary step.

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    8. Re:join the bands by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      I think you'd prefer it if you had a single UI for both, so you could choose among channels, without the extra complexity, however small, of switching satellites. This XM hack is a start, which could also include third party playlist browsers and schedulers. Keeping it simple to use is the key to enjoying it.

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    9. Re:join the bands by artifex2004 · · Score: 1

      If you read Sirius and XM's annual reports, they've actually entered into a partnership to develop dual-system receivers. This has the added benefit of letting them stop suing each other over patent infringement, at least for the time being.

  18. Ah... the good old days by Anita+Coney · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I remember in the good old days, not only was it legal to hack the stuff you bought, you actually OWNED the stuff you bought. Heck, I'm old enough to remember back when all electronics came with schematics! I'd love to have schematics for the stuff I buy now.

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    1. Re:Ah... the good old days by JazzHarper · · Score: 2, Informative

      Schematics simply don't exist any more.

      The chips that go into digital radio contain logic that has been synthesized from behavioral models. No one, not even the architect of the chip, ever sees a gate-level schematic or logic diagram.
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    2. Re:Ah... the good old days by Anita+Coney · · Score: 1

      I'm not talking about chips. For example, I found a cell phone with a pretty cool little screen on it. If I could find a schematic I could figure out how to run it without blowing it up. Without the schematic I'm going to have to guess which is power and which is video.

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    3. Re:Ah... the good old days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could find the company that makes the display and DL the docs for the device you know! Those things are made from off the shelf components that YOU TOO can buy WITH complete documentation!

    4. Re:Ah... the good old days by Anita+Coney · · Score: 1

      I've got the model number off the actual screen. Google searchs have been fruitless. I've never seen "complete documentation" from anything I've bought in the last 20 years, so as to your last point, I have no idea what you're talking about.

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  19. What is XM Radio? by Graabein · · Score: 1

    Seriously. The only place I ever heard/read about XM Radio is here on /. and it's always assumed we all know what the fsck it is.

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    1. Re:What is XM Radio? by mmkkbb · · Score: 2, Informative

      XM Radio and Sirius are two companies who have started offering satellite-based audio for a monthly fee. you can buy a receiver for one or the other (usually in your car, but their are portable ones too) and receive the same content anywhere (in the continental US, i believe)

      they are mostly commercial free.

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    2. Re:What is XM Radio? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=HOW+DOES+AN+I NTERNET+SEARCH+ENGINE+WORK%3F&btnG=Google+Sear ch

  20. Oh, the ignorance, the ignorance.... by TrentTheThief · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No one has "hacked" XM Radio.

    Several companies have come up with a way to add and PC-controlable tuner interface between the XM Direct radio. No big deal.

    This issue does not concern the FCC since the service itself is not being stolen as was the case with sat TV service.

    I own three of the XMPCR boxes. Two are in use, one at work and one at home, and the third is my spare (gotta have my XM.)

    1. Re:Oh, the ignorance, the ignorance.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You, you're ignorant alright.

      Look up 'hack', it doesn't mean script kiddies, theft of service, or anything like that.

  21. I was just thinking yesterday... by tooloftheoligarchy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...that what I'd really like in my car is time-shifted:

    • News
    • Traffic
    • Weather

    Of course, the radio station's business model depends on my sitting through mind-numbing ads to catch the 20-second blast of traffic info, but with a subscription service, it seems like a perfect fit. I hope this idea goes somewhere.

    1. Re:I was just thinking yesterday... by dschuetz · · Score: 1

      ..that what I'd really like in my car is time-shifted:

      * News
      * Traffic
      * Weather

      Of course, the radio station's business model depends on my sitting through mind-numbing ads to catch the 20-second blast of traffic info


      XM doesn't do time-shifting (though the forthcoming SkyFi-2 does have a 30 minute "history" buffer). But it does have 24x7 news channels (fox, cnn, headline, msnbc, etc.), weather (the weather channel), and about 20 or so 24x7 traffic/weather channels for specific major cities. Takes about 2 minutes to loop through traffic and weather for me here in Washington, DC.

      They even have an "emergency" channel now (channel 247 - get it? 24x7?) where they were broadcasting detailed information about shelters, storm tracks, road closings, tornadoes, etc., when the hurricanes recently hit Florida. This channel is, if I recall correctly, broadcast for free. Even non-activated receivers can get it.

      I've had XM for about 6 months, and it's been worth every dime.

    2. Re:I was just thinking yesterday... by goosman · · Score: 1

      And what I really want is a Tivo like device where my radio currently sits. Being able to listen to "Talk of the Nation: Science Friday" at 3pm is not possible for me, but having it record it so that I could listen on the way home would be great.

      I'm getting to used to the PVR features I have at home and really want them for the audio in my car.

      Of course I expect the RIAA goons to come down HARD on anyone who tries to make a commercial product like this.

    3. Re:I was just thinking yesterday... by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      How is the traffic as compared to WTOP's reports?


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    4. Re:I was just thinking yesterday... by dschuetz · · Score: 1

      How is the traffic as compared to WTOP's reports?

      Not bad. You don't get Lisa Baden's goofy commentary, but generally it's pretty good. They do it in four phases:

      * "Jam Alert Status" - Red (absoultely fucked up, like the beltway's blocked), Yellow (typical everyday delays), and Green (everything's smooth)

      * Key alerts (major or unusual backups listed w/out much detail, like "delays northbound at quantico and an overturned cement truck on the BW parkway")

      * Detailed information (all around the city, no predictable pattern, pretty much all major roads hit always, with the notable exception of the toll road, which is often missed :( ) Includes details for the key alerts listed above.

      * Sometimes, specific information on smaller incidents on smaller roads

      They also frequently give travel times ("27 minutes from 495 to Centreville at an average speed of 34 mph"). Also, for severe alerts (like a Red alert, a blocked road, or a tornado warning) it'll be showin in the display. Usually, the display shows visibility ("Partly Cloudy") for the "artist" and temperature for the current song. A couple weeks ago it said "WELCOME EXPOS!!!" :) (XM is headquartered downtown)

      All this happens in about 2-5 minutes, total (including weather report and a couple of ads), then it repeats. I think they re-record the report every 20-30 minutes (I haven't tried to prove that).

      I still hit WTOP occasionally, just in case I'm looking for a particular detail and XM didn't have it, or if I'm absolutely wanting the latest info (as I said, they repeat each report on XM a few times before they record new ones). Of course, even WTOP doesn't always have up-to-the-minute information, since there's a delay and they don't always report on all roads at each report.

      All in all, though, it's very highly recommended. :)

    5. Re:I was just thinking yesterday... by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      Much appreciated. I was commuting downtown from Centreville for about 2 years that ended just as this feature came online. But traffic and the comedy channels would be the big draws for me ;-)

      What better way to soothe the savage commuter beast in all of us than to make us bust out laughing, eh?

      Thanks again


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    6. Re:I was just thinking yesterday... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You want the Griffin RadioShark.

    7. Re:I was just thinking yesterday... by goosman · · Score: 1

      Nice. Although having something that didn't require me to install a PC in my car would be great. (I expect to lose karma by *not* already having a PC installed in my car)

    8. Re:I was just thinking yesterday... by spacefrog · · Score: 1

      XM already has constantly repeating (and commercial free) traffic and weather stations for the larger metro areas.

      If you are someplace small enough not to be represented, you probably don't need a traffic report anyways!

      http://www.xmradio.com/programming/neighborhood.js p?hood=traffic/

  22. Let's wager on this one... by Phoenix-IT · · Score: 1

    Let's run some squares on this... How many days before they get a DMCA cease and dissist letter vs. how many days before they discontinue the product?

    Hmmm... You know it will happen.

  23. not The Real Hack by morcheeba · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Although the article said that this was a "pristine digitial copy", XMPCR never did that and this doesn't look like it does either. Sure, it makes digital copies, but only after decompression through their lossy proprietary codec, conversion to analog, and then lossy recompression.

    The Real Hack would involve recording the original digital bit stream (unencrypted, of course) and recreating XM's codec so you can play it back exactly the same way a normal XM receiver would. Like the DeCSS cass, the DMCA would probably be brought against anyone who tried this.

    1. Re:not The Real Hack by Xyde · · Score: 1

      According to http://www.stereophile.com/news/11323/ this article, XM Radio is AACplus (HE-AAC).

  24. Re:It's all been done before...(not a complete dup by RPI+Geek · · Score: 1

    Hahaha, I thought this was a dupe too until i realized that I read it yesterday on mp3car.com, not on slashdot! Man, I should really get away from a computer more often... :-P

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  25. Wont new units eventually eliminate the interface? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    It seems like a cool thing, but probably XM will just make sure new units either change how they communicate over that interface, or remove it altogether - are there other XM products that make use of the same communication channel so you are assured it will not change?

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  26. Not the first... by Fnkmaster · · Score: 4, Informative
    First of all, this isn't a hack of XM Radio per se, it's just a simple reverse engineering of the undocumented cable spec for the XMDirect unit. The XMDirect has an 8 pin mini-DIN pinout and an internal 32 bit Atmel which translates serial instructions between XM's undocumented "car headunit" serial format and the standard, internal "A5 5A" serial format used directly by the XMPCR units, for which there is already quite a bit of Open Source software (incidentally, PCRCommander does pretty much everything that TimeTrax does).

    This "solution" is pretty much just a cable, and this groups software which does the translation. If you want something that works with all the existing software out there now, what you really want is the DirectPCR brought to you by Ryan and the XMFan people. The DirectPCR is more expensive, because it's actually got a microprocessor that reverse translates the standard "A5 5A" serial commands into XM Direct format (which is then dutifully translated back by the XM Direct).


    The DirectPCR is the best solution if you really want something with the power and cool factor of the now-defunct XMPCR (no I don't have any business relationship, I'm just an XMFan regular and have been following developments). As for "hack factor" at least three separate people or groups have separately done the XMDirect protocol translation. If you have the right equipment, it's probably about an afternoon's work - just hook up two serial monitors side by side and dump away. So there isn't that much hack cred to speak of in this. Furthermore, if you're comfortable with a soldering iron, you can trivially build an XMPCR-compatible unit out of a SkyFi with a DB9 header, a MAX232, and an optical adapter board.

    1. Re:Not the first... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's crazy. The DirectPCR is about $160.

      If you like getting everything from one company, go to TimeTrax. For $99, you can have an XM Direct Radio, the TimeTrax adapter for XM Direct and a copy of TimeTrax.

      Plus, the $99 includes free tech support (I like getting everything from one company -so simple).

      It's a no brainer, Fnkmaster.

    2. Re:Not the first... by Fnkmaster · · Score: 1

      First of all, that offer apparently just became available within the last day or so, it wasn't there the last time I checked their webpage (2-3 days ago). So I have no idea what that cable actually is, if it's shipping, or not. Furthermore, the whole reason many of us went to Open Source alternatives is we don't want to give TimeTrax, with their legal troubles, our personal credit card information, Radio ID, etc, since XM was looking to shut them down and get their purchaser list.

      Personally, I got involved in the XMPCR community because of all the cool third party apps and the ability to roll your own software for the device. I already told you, the TimeTrax software itself A) isn't so fabulous, I've used it B) doesn't allow you to do anything you can't do with other, better software out there that's free (and Open Source).

      I'm all for the cheapest cable solution that has a well-documented protocol (and thus I can write my own software or modify other software for) or supports the standard "A5 5A" protocol. If it doesn't meet those criteria, then it's an inferior product to the DirectPCR.

    3. Re:Not the first... by GSITPilot · · Score: 1
      First of all, that offer apparently just became available within the last day or so, it wasn't there the last time I checked their webpage (2-3 days ago). So I have no idea what that cable actually is, if it's shipping, or not.
      Our units began shipping today, which is why we started selling online today, unlike another unnamed online seller of a similar $160 system who have yet to ship a unit and keep bumping the expected ship date forward. :) We have been inundated with orders!
      Furthermore, the whole reason many of us went to Open Source alternatives is we don't want to give TimeTrax, with their legal troubles, our personal credit card information, Radio ID, etc, since XM was looking to shut them down and get their purchaser list.
      This is ancient history. The original letter from XM to TimeTrax asked for our customer list. We refused. We have since met with XM and have resolved those issues. There are no legal troubles, there is no lawsuit.
    4. Re:Not the first... by hrbrmstr · · Score: 1

      So, you've got the cable for ~$50USD. What more do I need to make this work? What's the total, cheapest solution for me, and can you provide it?

      Also, does it work with a Mac?

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  27. TimeTrax? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Darien Lambert will shut them down cold. He tracked down many of the criminals Doctor Sahmbi sent back in time without too much trouble, so he'll be able to handle this no problem.

  28. G00gl3 iS th3 gr347!!!11!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    quit bitching and
    search.

  29. Re:It's all been done before...(not a complete dup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, thanks dude. This is what makes Slashdot so terrible. You collect all these links to othr forums and aggregator sites and pretty soon you're totally sucked in. I work one day a week and everybody there is like jesus man what are you busy doing all the time. . . .
    Ahh, fresh site. Straight to the main vein.

  30. Re:Now stop the whiny whines, by Technician · · Score: 1

    You may not otherwise reproduce, perform, distribute, display or create derivative works from the Content

    I keep hoping they will offer a service someday that I would like to subscribe to. The above list is why I'm not a subscriber. I don't agree to their TOS. I am not stealing their service. I whine a little, because I would like to be a subscriber, but they don't provide the services I would like yet. I am hopeful that someday....
    But I'm not holding my breath. I'm sticking to the MP3 jukebox.

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  31. Why I'll avoid digital radio (for now) by Felinoid · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Every now and then someone complains about some large TV or radio congomerate who can deside what you can or can't watch (Not talking TV or radio networks like CBS but station owners like Clear Channel)

    I don't agree so much. I see the point but IMAO we aren't there. There are plenty of indupendent radio and TV stations where I live.

    But with digital radio it's a total of TWO options.
    To make matters worse you can't buy the radio from just anyone. You gotta buy it directly from the radio network. Crud.

    Look at the varity of analog radios and TVs you can buy. Pocket TVs, radios powered by the radio signal, by solar power, by hand crank, by peddle power and no doupt someone has one powered by sex.
    (Thow I doupt there'd be much of a market for that)

    We have car radios becouse nobody controls the technology. Boom boxes wouldn't exist. Walkmans were also not acceptable by "polite" socity when created.

    And... radio cards.
    I could plug a controller card inside my computer and have radio. Make MP3s and not need permission from Clear Channel.

    If we had to get permission first there'd be no TiVO, no VCR, no casset tape, no radio card, no boom box, no walkman and no transister radio.

    It's a neat idea that XM has and a pritty smart way of getting proffit.

    But I'll pass.
    My solar and hand crank powered short wave radio picks up local stations perfictly fine...
    (Admittedly too lazy to actually make use of the international radio fuctions)

    and honnestly I'm better off getting my power from the hand crank than from the wall socket.
    Wonder if I can set up a stationary bike and rig up a peddle power generator...

    (Buy a peddle power bike light kit and use the generator)

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  32. Why do you need an extra set of hardware? by NayDizz · · Score: 1

    If you get the Home Kit, the XM hardware comes with the cables and everything you need to send the audio signal directly to your home stereo. From there, there is nothing stopping you from turning on your tape recorder (or your computer, with audio recording software). The Vehicle Kit works in the same way. The jack for a cassette adapter is a standard headphone jack, if I'm not mistaken. I guess I dont understand why you need an intermediary module to plug it into your PC's audio input when it already has "audio out".

    1. Re:Why do you need an extra set of hardware? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      By plugging it into your PC, your PC can control the radio and start/stop the recordings when the songs start/stop.

      This means individual MP3s on your hard drive.

    2. Re:Why do you need an extra set of hardware? by sagekoala06 · · Score: 1

      because what the makers of this hardware wish to do is control the xm reciever with the pc. i assume you are talking about something like the skyfi ... it has buttons and a display on it to change the chanels and the such ... we don't want that. if you look at the xmdirect (the reciever used for this project) it has no display nor any buttons

  33. digital audio out? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

    which units (if any) that are hackable can be easily converted to opto or coax spdif out?

    no way I want to pipe analog in to my 'soundcard' and then record via that. its spdif or nothing, really. its bad enough its compressed - but doing a D/A and then A/D for no good reason just reduces quality and makes this sound more like FM than a CD.

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    1. Re:digital audio out? by sagekoala06 · · Score: 1

      i don't think there is one ... yet. the xmpcr had a mod that pretty much stole the digital signal from the dac and sent it out optically. its just a matter of time before someone figures it out and makes one for the direct.

    2. Re:digital audio out? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      as long as they don't cheat and just do a local a/d conversion.

      if they can get the signal before it goes to the DAC -and- its in spdif form (or close enough to patch) then this looks like something that I would care about.

      its 'bad' enough that its a real-time record (5mins of music takes 5mins to save to disk). but if its only going to be analog then its probably not worth the effort, really.

      I wonder if anyone knows - is the digital signal already normalized, in terms of output level? ie, does the digital signal swing from MININT to MAXINT ('all effs')? I have direct-tv and I've taken the spdif out and recorded it using a pro audio soundcard (bits in=bits out). I've found that their 'maxint' is not the zero dB mark on the level meters. ie, when I record using your favorite audio editor (windows cooledit or sound forge, etc etc), I see the meter reading NEVER going above the -12 level. never. never ever. that must be their 'maxint', so to speak. now, this sucks - since you can do 2 things: leave it alone and live with a highly reduced output level when you listen to these recordings; or normalize it yourself and scale their maxint to a true maxint ('all effs'). but scaling in digital form causes noise and other problems. its not 100% loss-free. so you kind of want to avoid doing it unless you really have to.

      so, given that's how the music channels work on direct-tv, is this funny-business going on with xm digital audio? anyone know? (anyone? bueler?)

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    3. Re:digital audio out? by GadgetMountainMan · · Score: 2, Informative

      The SkyFi and XM PCR have been hacked for digital out.
      you can buy the kit for the PCR
      as either a toslink
      http://www.myradiostore.us/parts-accessor ies/xmpcr -toslink-digital-output-board.html
      or coaxial
      http://www.myradiostore.us/parts-accessor ies/xmpcr -coaxial-digital-output-board.html

      the SkyFi doesn't have as much space so there were a couple guys that were doing the mods, but didn't offer a kit.

  34. XM streams over the computer via XM by eelsfan · · Score: 1, Informative

    Recently, after the death of the XMPCR, XM announced that they will broadcast the signal to your computer for an extra $3.99 ($7.99 if you don't already have a player) a month. Sounds like they killed XMPCR to make more money... http://www.xmradio.com/xstream/XM info

    1. Re:XM streams over the computer via XM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is this informative? XMRadio charges $3.99/7.99 per month for Internet streaming. Each additional Internet user requires additional resources on XMRadio's part. However, XMRadio charges $6.99/9.99 per month for satellite radio users, and incurs no additional costs as the subscription base increases. In summary, XM charges LESS and it costs them MORE to provide Internet streamining subscriptions. Come on people, use your fucking brain once in a while.

    2. Re:XM streams over the computer via XM by eelsfan · · Score: 1

      I would suggest that in the long run, XM would make more money by forcing those who want to listen to their XM on their computer to pay an additional monthly subscription fee rather than the one-time cost of the XMPRC (I think it was like $50). I don't think the resource cost of each additional Internet user for XM is anywhere near $3.99. Yes, there is an initial gamble for XM but...

  35. XM deactivates if no activation for a while by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I spent over 30 days trying to get my XM Radio to activate. Problem was a defective chip. XM was very nice about replacing the radio (It was one of a very few XM radios actually distributed by XM themself.) But it took many many hours to get them to admit the unit was defective. I know now that those first Alpines had some bad batches.

    I came to learn a lot during this time. I believe XM Radio sends out an activate signal during your entire subscription time. As someone else mentioned, if your XM Radio is parked on a no-signal area for a period of time, it will *lock*. In my case I have to call XM, switch to a specific channel and then wait about 15 minutes or so to become re-activated.

    I believe that XM sends down all subscriber activate information continually. When you initially activate, they put the period to about every 15 minutes so that you don't have to sit in your car so long waiting for it activate. That lasts for like 6-24 hours depending on which tech answers. After that I believe it sends it down at an interval that would accomodate sending all user accounts and new activations.

  36. So were cabs long long ago by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 1

    Hack is another word for cab. I seem to remember hackie as a cab driver too, but hack definitely = cab. I believe it is so in Sherlock Holmes, for instance.

    1. Re:So were cabs long long ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hack is another word for cab

      That's a shortening of "hackney" from "hackney carriage", or a carriage you could hire.

  37. The Only Way... by Trolling4Dollars · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...the music industry is ever going to prevent piracy is if they take away the ability for the average person to record. There is no way in hell that they can do that without getting some kind of law passed that requires you to be a licensed professional in order to record audio or video. I can't see things going that far yet. But like it or not, the average person has a lot of options for recording these days.

    Back when I was in high school and was lusting after a 4 track reel-to-reel multitrack deck from Tascam, there was a financial barrier to high quality recordings. But today, there are so many options out there that even if you aren't using AES/EBU digital connection (no SCMS DRM) you can still get much higher quality copies than you could with a cassette deck back in the 80s. So, even if the RIAA and MPAA do get DRM so intertwined into newer audio and video gear, it's going to be next to impossible to prevent older decent quality devices from recording. This is a battle that can't be won without draconian mesaures.

    The shame of all of this is that nearly everyone with a computer has the facilities for making their own music and therefore bypassing the RIAA altogether. I do remember a period of time in the 80s when it was illegal to own a 4-track recorder in a residential area in my state. I wonder if they are going to try that with software based virtual studios? Likely not since most people with the ability and talent are just too lazy to make their own music. (It's easier than you think. If you can set up a Cisco network, you can make your own music.) So, what can the RIAA and MPAA do to stop people from pirating? How about they take away all sound cards and video caputre cards, digital audio and video recorders, and software based audio? They can't. The genie is out of the bottle.

    With that out of the way, is it right to distribute music that you aren't authorized to distribute? Absolutely not. Quite a problem, ehhh?

    1. Re:The Only Way... by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      But like it or not, the average person has a lot of options for recording these days.

      For the moment anyway, but with the digital revolution they have the option of putting the genie back in the bottle via broadcast flags etc that the average user doesn't know about until it's too late. Digital radios requiring digital receivers that have digital connections to digital speakers...not terribly far fetched anymore.

      This is a battle that can't be won without draconian mesaures.

      Suing Grandmothers for instance? You're right of course, but the **AA's aren't exactly known for common sense and compasion and they do have large pocket books to buy laws

      I do remember a period of time in the 80s when it was illegal to own a 4-track recorder in a residential area in my state

      Probably ruled unconstitutional or just ignored nowadays..ala DMCA in a few years hopefully.

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    2. Re:The Only Way... by Trolling4Dollars · · Score: 1

      I understand what you were saying about digital recording devices. But, what I meant was that a pentium 100 with a decent soundcard with analog line in and line out would be able to easily record from any digital playback device unless they find a way to make speakers that are truly digital. Even then, you can put the speakers in boxes with mics and still record. The quality from a PC even recording with a soundblaster 16 rivals most cheap analogue cassette decks.

    3. Re:The Only Way... by CliffEmAll · · Score: 1
      Likely not since most people with the ability and talent are just too lazy to make their own music. (It's easier than you think. If you can set up a Cisco network, you can make your own music.)

      I can't say that has been my experience. And a look at the forums at a site such as www.homerecording.com seems to show quite a lot of people who would agree that it is quite difficult. Despite multiple computers, different sound cards ranging in quality from the onboard sound on Intel mobos to an M-Audio Delta1010LT, and several different multi-tracking software programs, I have never found a single setup where I could sit down, record a track, play it and record another track, and have them play back together. Usually they start together, but then one of them wanders off half a beat or so somewhere. If you have a simple solution to this problem, I would love to hear it!

      Disclaimer: IHNSUACN ( I have never set up a Cisco network )

    4. Re:The Only Way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The beat wanders because you're not keeping very good time. Try playing to a click track...

  38. It's not rare at all. by cbreaker · · Score: 1

    I don't listen to the radio for music, just talk radio. And I usually sit on the AM band most of the time since that's where most of it's at, and AM signals tend to reach much further then an FM signal so I can keep listening as I drive around from place to place. Most of my friends are the same way - it's either A) listen to the latest pop music junk 20 times a day, or B) listen to some decent talk radio. Hmm.

    If I could listen to my favorite talk shows all the time, without signal noise/drop, wherever I went, it would be very nice.

    I just don't think I'm in the car QUITE enough to justify a monthly fee for it.

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  39. unexpected category killer: traffic reports! by artifex2004 · · Score: 1
    about 20 or so 24x7 traffic/weather channels for specific major cities.


    I've been thinking about buying into one of the systems before, and I have to admit, this does seem to sway me into finally wanting to buy into one. I live in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area, which is XM225 or Sirius156. I could certainly talk myself into paying $10-13 a month if I could get reliable traffic reporting, especially if it's 24/7.

    If I do buy into one, though, my next question is what sort of unit would I want to get? In my case, I want something I can plug in at home or carry as well as use in the car. But I also don't want adapters everywhere or some cradle taped to my dash. I have yet to find a comprehensive comparison of feature sets across the different models, including sound quality. If they're not all exactly the same, I want to know that :)

    I'm still undecided as to which provider, though. I'm not into shock radio, or talk radio at all, really, nor into sports coverage. I do like NPR, dance, world, techno, classical, and 80s. I'm leaning to Sirius on content. XM is cheaper, but it has fewer channels I'd actually listen to, and I can't buy out the subscription. However, I still don't know which sounds better and has fewest commercials in the non-music channels. Who's compressed the most? Who's got the most total bandwidth, etc.? Are there some industry websites I should read before making up my mind? I'm reading the annual reports for both these companies, but many of these questions remain unanswered, and before I drop an expected $500 for subscription over the life of the unit, I want to be confident the company will still be around :)
    1. Re:unexpected category killer: traffic reports! by dschuetz · · Score: 1

      Lemme try to answer some of your questions.

      Sound quality: both about the same. you'll get zealots on both sides who swear on their grandmother's grave that one or the other is better, but really, they're all about the same.

      The SkyFi has a cradle for the car, and for home, but it's not been terribly convenient for me to switch between the car and home. The Roady2 is really small, can probably velcro to your dash, and (I think) has a built-in FM modulator. Though I'd probably suggest you use a cassette or aux-in adaptor instead. People have even made little battery-containing-armbands for the Roady2 so you can use it as a portable. I don't know what Sirius offers.

      It'd be nice to have NPR, but I can pretty reliably find that on my FM dial, and XM now has XM Public Radio, with many PRI programs and Bob Edwards (but no All Things Considered or Morning Edition, nor Car Talk or Prarie Home).

      XM has pretty good coverage on the less-mainstream stuff. Fine Tuning is a VERY eclectic mix of pop, rock, progressive, classical, new age, and very occasionally folk. There are 3 or 4 dance/technois chanels, a bunch of world channels, and an 80s channel that generally plays pretty good stuff.

      Also, I'm pretty sure you can subscribe on a monthly basis with XM. And XM has terrestrial repeaters that help when satellite reception is spotty (though even that fails in heavily wooded areas). I'm pretty sure Sirius does not have that.

      Check out XMFan.com for a lot of good information, opinions, and reviews.

  40. They've done nothing wrong. by Safety+Cap · · Score: 2, Funny

    Thanks to the DMCA, any attempt to add/subtract functionality from any corporation's products or services is in immediate violation and will be proscecuted to the fullest extent of the defendant's pocketbook.

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  41. Darn. I did it the hardway.. and liked it. by poffy74 · · Score: 1

    There are currently a few options, and up until recently they were all do it yourself options. A friend and I didn't want to pay the $$ for the PCR's on ebay so we bought Skyfi's, hacked the home kit to add a serial connection to it then added a TOS optical link to the Skyfi. This then worked with PCR software like it was a PCR. Now there are "commercial" options. Timetrax themselves seem to have a very good bundle going if that is your purpose(99.99). Along with the Direct PC (xmfanstore.com 159.99) and the other cable made by the car pc enthusiasts(49.99). Unless you want to listen to XM on your computer there is no real need for any of this. Even with Time trax you don't get good songs that are perfect for burning. Most songs will have some over blead from the previous song on it. Also it is very common to get some of the XM talk. It is good for time shifting, but you are not going to amass the best MP3 collection known to man that you can share with the world from it. Plus they add your XM id into the ID3 tag *wink* *wink*. I still say it was more fun to make it, rather than buy it.

  42. Proud XMPCR owner by kajoob · · Score: 1

    You know, a while ago I bought a PCR and was psyched when I saw the TimeTrax software so I bought it. I tested it and it works brilliantly, but honestly, I haven't really found a need to record mp3's wholesale. I mean, I have the pcr and I can go channel to channel and listen to whatever I want. I just listen to my xm and don't even use the TimeTrax software.

    I'm so happy with xm that I'm going to get a head unit in my truck too. It's only like $6/month for an additional radio if you have one already, so the unit is cool because you can listen to tons of new music commercial free on your computer, but don't just get it because of the TimeTrax software because you probably won't use it for mp3's - you'll just get hooked on XM.

    Are there any other slashdotters out there that have experienced something similar?

    (Also, a slightly off topic question, has anyone had both xm and sirius and can give an honest opinion between the two?)

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    1. Re:Proud XMPCR owner by TrentTheThief · · Score: 1

      You know what is IMHO the best feature of XMPCR? Being able to skip off to other songs when one I like better is being played and being exposed to different artists.

      I use XtremePCR for both my radios. The favorites alerts are great. I bet I know more song titles and artists that I enjoy now than I ever have in the last 45 years.

      I'll never go back to broadcast radio. I've had more than my fill of C3 (clearchannelclones) stations. No more crap playlists and egomaniacal DJs.

      Satellite radio rocks the world.

  43. Not really "pristine" recordings by ezHiker · · Score: 0, Troll

    It kind of annoys me that the press refers to they recordings of these broadcasts as "pristine". They say the same crap about webcasts. They aren't pristine. The sound quality of XM Radio is nowhere near CD quality, in fact IMO it's not even as good as broadcast FM. It's more comparable to a 48kbps mp3 stream to my ears. In fact, while I love XM, I was a bit disappointed by the sound quality when I first got it.

    Digital != Perfect Sound

  44. Travesty to the open source community by tyrani · · Score: 1

    It's sad. XM should really look how the open source mentality of making things better worked with TiVo. The would have been taken under a long time ago if they weren't hacked and made better.

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  45. Uh, GNUnilink / XMRadio? by telemonster · · Score: 2, Informative

    Couldn't one just take the GNUnilink package from Sourceforge/Freshmeat and combine it with the short-lived Sony XM receiver that was a Unilink module, and control it that way?

    (Unilink is Sony's protocol that allows decks to control disc changers and a limited number of other devices like TV tuners, mobile VHS VCR, DSP modules and so forth).

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  46. Does it matter? by javaxman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    XM is likely to be over in a few years anyway, right?

  47. XM is evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  48. Innocent until proven guilty. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The important thing to note is that not all timeshifting is necessarily fair use; the Court only had to determine that it qualified as a potential, substantial, noninfringing use. Fair use is the antithesis of a bright line rule; every case must be analyzed on its own facts. Thus there is not an absolute right to time shift.

    People do not need to prove that every time they do something, it's legal.

    In the US, we're innocent until proven guilty, meaning the burden of proving that you're doing something wrong is the responsibility of the accuser. So unless the record companies can prove than in each case we're doing something wrong, we're innocent.

    1. Re:Innocent until proven guilty. by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      People do not need to prove that every time they do something, it's legal.

      Well, since fair use is an affirmative defense, you don't get to use it unless you are infringing. So yeah, if someone makes out a prima face case of copyright infringement against you (which really isn't all that difficult) you do actually need to prove it, if you want to claim it.

      In the US, we're innocent until proven guilty

      True, but most copyright infringement actions are civil. Criminal suits can be brought, however. In civil actions, it's not guilty and innocent, it's liable and not liable.

      So unless the record companies can prove than in each case we're doing something wrong, we're innocent.

      Yes, and only once they have successfully done so, can you allege the defense of fair use. It's just not applicable unless you've infringed.

      But don't worry; it's amazingly easy to infringe on copyrights.

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      -- This and all my posts are in the public domain. I am a lawyer. I am not your lawyer, and this is not legal advice.
  49. More like innocent until proven poor by tepples · · Score: 1

    the burden of proving that you're doing something wrong is the responsibility of the accuser. So unless the record companies can prove than in each case we're doing something wrong

    Or the labels can prove that they, as multinational corporations, have money to pay lawyers, and most individuals don't.

  50. In the Ghetto Part XXVII by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the Ghetto Part XXVII

    Anal Faggotry at Garnsey Park

    Vlad was angry. Vlad was mad. Vlad was furious. Vlad farted.

    "Those LITTLE BITCHES on the Internet are really starting to get to me," Vlad silently admitted to himself. "Who the fuck made THEM judge & jury? After all the times I helped and supported their asses."

    Vlad began to cry. He picked up a pair of his underwear from the floor and wiped away the tears from his eyes and the sweat from his brow. The underwear left a brown stain across his face, but he didn't care. He was sweating because he'd been trying to work out his frustrations by practicing his knife-fighting technique. A bloody, rusted butter-knife lay on the floor, and next to it lay Reza, unconscious or worse, oozing blood and fatty tissue into puddles on the floor. A swarm of roaches surrounded and covered her, licking up the fat from the floor and crawling into her wounds to extract it directly.

    "Reeeeeza", Vlad shouted nasally at his wife. He wasn't sure if she was alive or dead, and he didn't really care. "I have to get out of this fucking house. I'm going to the park!" Vlad's heart lifted briefly from his self-pity. The park. At night. This would be a good night.

    The Chevy van squeaked and groaned under Vlad's weight as he squeezed himself through the door. The front tire ruptured and deflated. After a few minutes of cranking, the van started with the sound of a gunshot, and it creaked slowly out onto Ingalls Avenue, heading west.

    As Vlad passed the Nicholson Street intersection, he thought bitterly about his troubles online, and how nearly everyone he knew had "betrayed" him. Those little bitches. But by the time he passed the Highland Avenue intersection, his thoughts had already turned to more pleasant matters: his first visit to Garnsey Park, nearly a year ago, where he had met his Special Friend. He felt a warm twitching in his groin. Vlad drove on.

    As Vlad passed Clement Street, he thought back to that magical day. Vlad's soon-to-be "Special Friend" had been on vacation from Peaks Island, Maine, and was "slumming" in Joliet to check out the local gay scene. After visiting a few clubs, the Special Friend had found his way to Garnsey Park, a popular meeting place for nocturnal homosexual public couplings, visited by faggots from all over the greater Chicago metropolitan area. When the Special Friend arrived, there was another queer at the park for the first time: he'd just recently moved to the area, and his large body was filled with homosexual vim vigour. His name was William Scott Lockwood III, but at Garnsey Park, he was only "Vladinator."

    Vlad farted in contentment as he reminisced. Not paying attention, he slammed into a young girl riding a bicycle through the Oakland Avenue intersection. The bike tangled in the guts of the Chevy van, and it whined in protest, but it continued to sputter onward as Vlad continued to remember. On Vlad's first visit to Garnsey Park, he wasn't wholly satisfied with the quality of the corn-holing he was getting. The assortment of Negroids, vagrants, crack addicts, and transvestites was large, but none of them really stood to him. They were all happy to meet such an outstanding "papa bear" like Vlad, and they loved to wrap their arms around his hairy rolls of loving flab as he grunted and rammed his cock into their colons. But Vlad had wanted more. He wanted romance. Then his soon-to-be Special Friend arrived.

    Vlad was so distracted by his sudden erection that he swerved wildly for a moment, tearing down the street sign marking the intersection of Ingalls and Wilcox. He barely noticed. When Vlad saw the Special Friend arrive, he knew that he'd found a soul-mate. The Special Friend was young and had gentle blonde hair, and charming facial features like a delightfully protruding chin. He looked soft, loving, pale, and incredibly gay. Vlad immediately pulled out of the warty Negroid buttocks he'd

  51. In the Ghetto Part XXII by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the Ghetto Part XXII

    Vlad couldn't believe that the Welfare Department and Social Services were forcing him to go find a job. El-Arse hosting would soon have a paying customer and he would soon be the next Bill Gates. Vlad rubbed his half inch pecker as he imagined ruling the world from his Joliet compound. Vlad's daydreaming was shattered by a foundation rattling fart that emanated from the bedroom. Reza was waking up from her pig tranquilizer and Mad Dog 20/20 induced slumber. She appeared in the doorway, her massive fatness filling the opening. She made a beeline to the fridge. While waddling towards her food source, a large black butt plug fell from beneath her mu-mu. It slid across the floor and stopped in front of Marticock. Marti was still phased from the roofies Vlad had forced him to snort the night before. And it took a few moments for the drug ravaged brain to realize it's favorite teething toy was available. Marti shoved it in his mouth and let out a wet, happy fart. Vlad smiled, he was just like his old man. But, his pride quickly turned to rage.

    "Damn you, you fat fucking cow of a woman," Vlad yelled. "You know this is to never come out, except for when I allow you to remove it!" Vlad got his body to contort into some abomination of a karate stance he saw on his cam copy of Blade2 and knocked Reza on to her gut. Reza rocked back and forth as Vlad maneuvered around to her ass. Vlad took aim with the butt plug and rammed it home. Reza moaned and Vlad got hard. Vlad was hung like a doorbell and he was full aroused. Reza couldn't touch the floor with any of her pork filled appendages. She looked on helplessly as Vlad grabbed Marticock. Marticock cooed with glee as Vlad coated his head with cold cooking grease from the stove top. In one fell swoop, Marticock was shoved headfirst into Reza's flabby cunt. This was quickly followed by Vlad ramming the whole inch of his manhood into Marticock's fudge flavored love tunnel. Reza and Vlad moaned as the three of them oscillated to Vlad's gyrations. From the bubbles that would erupt from Reza's cooch, Marticock was enjoying himself as well. Vlad finished and started to leave. Marticock oozed out of him mother's sloppy snatch and landed on the floor with a thud. Vlad grabbed a greasy towel from the floor and snatched Marticock up. Reza let out a satisfied fart and Vlad replied with one of his own. "I love you, Vlad," Reza said through an orgasmic haze. "Shut the fuck up, you fat fucking whore," Vlad snapped back as he slammed the door.

    An hour later, Vlad is in the front lobby of the County Employment Office. He lugs himself up to the desk. A young woman sits behind the desk; she turns pale as she sees Vlad approach. "You have to give me a fucking job, bitch," Vlad farted with authority. The lady didn't even look up. She just pointed to a big wall full of listings. Vlad waddled back and started looking. All these jobs are for chumps Vlad thought to himself as he looked at the jobs that were available.

    "I own my own business," Vlad said aloud. "Welcome to /dev/nul fucking losers." And, with that, Vlad turned to leave. But, 3 unemployed steel workers overheard Vlad's disparaging comments. "Who are you calling a loser, fatboi," one of them said. Vlad's defense mechanism started up and a protective fart erupted from his stained sweatpants. "Get the fuck out of here you stinky fat ball," another one said. Vlad wasn't' going to take this abuse.

    "Back the fuck up," Vlad yelled. "Have you ever seen the Michael Jackson interview with Barbra Walters? That's the kind of karate I practice. You are going to get a free lesson." Vlad grabbed Marticock and started wildly swinging him about his head. Marti giggled as Vlad made grunting noises and kicked with his stumpy legs at anything he perceived to be a threat. Vlad backed out of the front door, still swinging Marticock at his opponents. Upon exiting the building, Vlad started his walk home. He reached his neighborhood. Ten dollar whores lined the corne