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Verizon Taking FTTP Installation Orders
ooglek writes "Verizon is now qualifying and accepting installations for FTTP (Fiber To the Premises)! $39.95 for 5MB/2MB, $49.95 for 15MB/2MB, and $199.95 for 30MB/5MB. No word yet on whether Verizon will block ports (25, 80, etc) for incoming or outgoing traffic; with 2MB upload, I hope to basically run a small data center in my basement. Both phone and Internet will come through the fiber, and there is an unofficial rumor of video services as well by the end of this year. Got Fiber? My install date is November 2nd in Falls Church, VA (near DC). Several people in Keller, Texas have posted pictures and reported 14,679 kbps download and 1,794 kbps download speeds." Update: 10/26 23:52 GMT by T : That second "download" ought probably read "upload."
The 5MB/2MB pricing is great for my area. I get about 4MB/256KB right now for around $29/month. The biggest advantage to the fiber would be the 2MB upload speed which would be great as I send a lot of photos to my dad for a genealogical project. I went to Verizons site and my phone number doesn't qualify yet, but, I'm sure it will be eventually....
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Verizon has clearly stated that the "actual throughput speed will vary based on factors such as the condition of your wiring inside your location; computer configuration; network or Internet congestion; and the server speeds of Web sites you access, among other factors. Speed and uninterrupted use of the service are not guaranteed."
So how long will the 15/2Mbps last, and is Verizon at least giving guarantee on a minimum sustainable speed?
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I wouldn't hold my breath.
From the summary:
... and reported 14,679 kbps download and 1,794 kbps download speeds.
Sorry Verizon, but if I can't upload those HTTP GET requests, I don't need any of your one-way fibre. Talk about asymmetric!
I hope to basically run a small data center in my basement.
don't you mean your mom's basement?
I came to the datacenter drunk with a fake ID, don't you want to be just like me?
I am getting fiber to the premisis installed this week, and it's 100Mbps up/down for ~25 bux / month.
I was complaining because VSL limits that to ~55Mbps.
Being in Japan just put things into a dirrerent perspective, I guess. So here is to consumers of America (of whom I will become one again all too soon) - DEMAND MORE!! it's kind of weird when the post get so excited even though it... erm... relly slow.
My life in the land of the rising sun.
I live in Huntington Beach, one of the first places this is rolling out. That said, I'm going to be content with my 3Mb/768k DSL until I'm sure there aren't any ridiculous "for entertainment only" policies on Verizon's books. My current ISP (SurfCity DSL) doesn't block ports, sells me a static IP for a small fee, and even sells IP address blocks for reasonable (~$20/mo) fees. Having all the bandwidth in the world is practically useless with a dynamic IP and having the major ports blocked.
Not only does upload cost more to peer at places like LINX but offering 15mb upload would significantly undercut their (much!) more expensive leased line options.
Immagine that you were a business owner and you could buy three of these (cheap) and a pair of backup T1 lines (not that expensve) to replace your OC3 (very expensive). Bad news for their profits.
I wonder what the transfer cap on these things is? Probably something rediculous like 1gb/day that allows you to operate your line at full speed for all of 550 seconds before you exceed your quota and get terminated.
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Awww yeah!
Your cell phone is still registered your residence - besides you can just give them a neighbor's phone #.
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Nope - no servers allowed... so basically Verizon is continuing to be a WSP, not an ISP. I really wish more providers would just let me do what the heck I wanted to do with my connection - why should they care - just throw a QoS penalty on any traffic over xbits/sec that they don't want me to really use
I have mod points and I am not afraid to use them
Okay, I'll stop bragging now (:
For example, you might run smtp server on port 80 and http on port 25 and they would complete the tcp three-way handshake just fine.
That would work if you ran a server destined to never offer serivces to even a small group of people, but for normal, practical usage, it's... well, useless. Sure, you can append port numbers to your protocol directives, but it'll never be an ubiquitous internet side in the least. You can't accept SMTP traffic unless it's been directly MX'd from a "normal" server, you can't even bounce port 80 requests to the proper port since presumbly, you moved it OFF port 80 to prevent random connections or avoid upstream blocks. Port shuffling is usually considered poor design and the worst example (if used in this fashion) of security/obscurity
I wonder how the TOS nazis plan to handle P2P apps like BT?
There are quite a few reasons to limit upload:
-jim
...isn't accepting inquieries. Perhaps it lacks a little Fiber to the Premises?
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I just called, and the reason it doesn't work is because it's currently in a "test phase" in certain markets. Thanks Slashdot for getting my hopes up.
Actual conversation with Verizon:
Verizon: Yes, we're very excited about this service. What's your phone number.
Me: *Give my phone number*
Verizon *silence*: Let me speak with my manager. *comes back a little while later* Where did you hear about our FIOS service?
Me: Uh, an internet site called "Slashdot". Lots of tech news.
Verizon: We were wondering. I've been getting calls all day. We only have FIOS in test markets right now like Florida, Texas... rattles off a few more names.
Me: Any idea when you're going to support the NY metropolitian area?
Verizon: I'm sorry, I don't know at this time.
It is only a test project in Keller TX. They expect a rollout to other areas after the completion of the test. Until then...it is still a BIG-PIPE dream. They did say they will be sending out a notification and advertising campaign when it becomes available in other areas.
You keep going until you die..."Me".
> Verizon: We were wondering. I've been getting calls all day.
Has a call center ever been slashdotted before?
Say it right: "Nuc-le-ah Powah".
FYI, Verizon has wired much of Northern NJ for FTTP, but NJ State legislation is preventing them from turning their network on. However, verizon has given the order to make the network 'ready to turn on with the flip of a switch' which is pretty cool IMO. Now just to wait for a new governor. The present one hasn't accomplished ANYTHING, and is unlikely that he will now.
Sorta a pity how they are stifiling innovation in this state -- as I watch one of AT&T's former largest test centers be demolished piece by piece. (which managed to hold on for quite a while after the breakup, but is sadly no more...)
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Just got off the phone from Verizon. and the nice lady gave me some details of availibility.
1) First off, the Number that the script tells you to call (the (888) 662-8275 one) is wrong according to the person that I got on that line. She directed me to (888) 991-4999. Whether or not that's the right number for overall rollout I dont know, but it had all the answers I got. Not that you'll need to call after reading this.
2) From what she was seeing, it's still only available in the Texas area where it was deployed for it's Pilot Program. She wouldn't confirm where they were expanding the service, but she did confirm that it is going to expand in the coming months because it was very successful in the pilot program apparently.
3) She said that availability will be announced in your Verizon bill (If you get one) as soon as it's available in your area (probably to cover the costs of the equipment). the web site also will tell you about availibility whenever it's updated, but for right now it's Texas only.
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What about breaking it down to areas that are of similar size.
The most densely populated city in Japan is Tokyo. 8 million people in 630 square kilometres (13,000 per k2)
The most densely populated city in the US is New York. 8 million people in 830 square kilometres (10,000 per k2)
The most densely populated city in the world is Seoul. 10 million people in 615 square kilometres (17,000 per k2)
In Tokyo we have 100% ADSL availability offering 40 mbits down
there is also limited (~10%) FTTP availability offering 100 mbits
Why is there not even one company attempting to offer something similar in New York, Korea has near 100% availability of dsl and cable yet they too are limited to US like services.
The real reason we have insane connection bandwidth in Japan is because the telecoms monopoly is restricted from price gouging, they must lease there cables at a flat rate irrespective of the amount of data that flows over them.
When I had an ADSL connection I would pay $20 a month to NTT for the ADSL connection, then my ISP could push as much or as little data over that connection as they wished.
Now I have a Fibre connection, I pay $40 a month for the wire, I actually pay $70 a month to my ISP but I get a static IP range and national wireless coverage too over the AirH network.
The reason Japan has stupid fast internet connections, and the second highest broadband penetration in the world? Competition, who would have thought of it.
**** lying is wrong even for sleeping dogs
Verizon has wired much of Northern NJ for FTTP, but NJ State legislation is preventing them from turning their network on.
My understanding, based solely on reading the forums at dslreports.com is that Verizon wants monopoly rights to the fibre they are laying. As in no second source ISP like Covad or Earthlink would be able to lease bandwidth or connectivity on the fibre lines at (low) state-set rates, like they are able to today on the copper lines.
Based on that, I think Verizon is in the wrong. They are dangling shiny trinkets of high-speed internet at a reasonable price in order to distract people from the inevitable long-term result of monopoly control over public works - erosion of price competitiveness and technological stagnation.
Sure, 15MBps at $50 looks GREAT today, but will it be that great in 5 years? What if the price goes up to $100? Pay no attention to the details behind the curtain!
Again, without knowing more than I've read at the forums, I think that if it were up to me, I'd be looking at a compromise. Verizon can have monopoly control over the fibre network with three caveats:
1) A viable competitor exists in each segment (neighborhood, town, whatever) such as cable which is priced within say 20% for equivalent levels of performance.
2) They agree to a more relaxed test for market collusion than what the FTC/DoJ uses in order to absolutely prevent Verizon and whoever their local competitor(s) are from abusing their certain oligopoly. Punishment for collusion being immediate and permanent loss of control of all the fibre in the area in which the collusion occurred plus enough of a geographical radius to cover enough more customers to equal 200% of the total affected. (The state would probably assume control and lease it back to Verizon and any other ISPs.)
3) Yearly review of their performance with a regular 5-year major examination of their quality of service and evaluation of their technological currentness.
These all assume that the details are worked out by Verizon and a team of negotiators for the state that are not biased by bribery of any sort (no cushy jobs at Verizon 6 months after the contracts are signed).
I am a big believer in "free markets" - as long as care is taken to prevent monopolistic abuses that can naturally arise in a loosely regulated market. But, public utilities are a natural monopoly and so special care, much better care than is usually applied, must be taken to keep a check on the monopolistic business practices that inevitably settle in. To do otherwise would be the equivalent of giving Verizon a money pipeline into the community's bank accounts.
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They are laying it on public land with forced easements. Very different from building something on land they own. The fiber is there because the public (i.e., the government) enabled it.
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Maybe not all of them are Somali warlord-style libertarians?
I the hell care. It's largely public land. That's how it goes. I pay taxes for the maintenance of this land, and I don't want my tax money subsidizing Verizon if the result is not going to be advantageous to the public. If you don't like that, then invent a way for Verizon to roll out this product that doesn't depend on using my resources. I hear quantum computing is all the rage.
Red herring. The Empire State Building doesn't have a monopoly on commercial real estate in Manhattan.
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