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Verizon Taking FTTP Installation Orders
ooglek writes "Verizon is now qualifying and accepting installations for FTTP (Fiber To the Premises)! $39.95 for 5MB/2MB, $49.95 for 15MB/2MB, and $199.95 for 30MB/5MB. No word yet on whether Verizon will block ports (25, 80, etc) for incoming or outgoing traffic; with 2MB upload, I hope to basically run a small data center in my basement. Both phone and Internet will come through the fiber, and there is an unofficial rumor of video services as well by the end of this year. Got Fiber? My install date is November 2nd in Falls Church, VA (near DC). Several people in Keller, Texas have posted pictures and reported 14,679 kbps download and 1,794 kbps download speeds." Update: 10/26 23:52 GMT by T : That second "download" ought probably read "upload."
It takes me to the DSL order page, and tells me I already have it. Yes, I do, I never noticed. Thanks Verizon!
The 5MB/2MB pricing is great for my area. I get about 4MB/256KB right now for around $29/month. The biggest advantage to the fiber would be the 2MB upload speed which would be great as I send a lot of photos to my dad for a genealogical project. I went to Verizons site and my phone number doesn't qualify yet, but, I'm sure it will be eventually....
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Verizon has clearly stated that the "actual throughput speed will vary based on factors such as the condition of your wiring inside your location; computer configuration; network or Internet congestion; and the server speeds of Web sites you access, among other factors. Speed and uninterrupted use of the service are not guaranteed."
So how long will the 15/2Mbps last, and is Verizon at least giving guarantee on a minimum sustainable speed?
Rock that crushes, Paper & Scissors that don't matter.
Are these going to be the monthly rates as well or are these just installation costs?
As far as i got it, the ADSL lines had low upload because of technical limitations.
But why would these lines come in 5Mb/2Mb and not just 5/5 ?
The system had the verbosity of HTML combined with all the readability of compiled assembly viewed as bitmap images
and my phone no longer works either. sigh.
I wouldn't hold my breath.
From the summary:
... and reported 14,679 kbps download and 1,794 kbps download speeds.
Sorry Verizon, but if I can't upload those HTTP GET requests, I don't need any of your one-way fibre. Talk about asymmetric!
You broke it.
Server Error in '/FiosForHome' Application.
Runtime Error
Description: An application error occurred on the server. The current custom error settings for this application prevent the details of the application error from being viewed remotely (for security reasons). It could, however, be viewed by browsers running on the local server machine.
Details: To enable the details of this specific error message to be viewable on remote machines, please create a tag within a "web.config" configuration file located in the root directory of the current web application. This tag should then have its "mode" attribute set to "Off".
Notes: The current error page you are seeing can be replaced by a custom error page by modifying the "defaultRedirect" attribute of the application's configuration tag to point to a custom error page URL.
I hope to basically run a small data center in my basement.
don't you mean your mom's basement?
I came to the datacenter drunk with a fake ID, don't you want to be just like me?
I am getting fiber to the premisis installed this week, and it's 100Mbps up/down for ~25 bux / month.
I was complaining because VSL limits that to ~55Mbps.
Being in Japan just put things into a dirrerent perspective, I guess. So here is to consumers of America (of whom I will become one again all too soon) - DEMAND MORE!! it's kind of weird when the post get so excited even though it... erm... relly slow.
My life in the land of the rising sun.
$39.95 for 5MB/2MB, $49.95 for 15MB/2MB, and $199.95 for 30MB/5MB
In Tokyo (my home nw) that's DSL rates! Fibre STARTS at 100MBps! WTF?
I live in Huntington Beach, one of the first places this is rolling out. That said, I'm going to be content with my 3Mb/768k DSL until I'm sure there aren't any ridiculous "for entertainment only" policies on Verizon's books. My current ISP (SurfCity DSL) doesn't block ports, sells me a static IP for a small fee, and even sells IP address blocks for reasonable (~$20/mo) fees. Having all the bandwidth in the world is practically useless with a dynamic IP and having the major ports blocked.
I can't get Verizon to fix my 6 meg dsl, since DSL isn't supported, only voice lines are. Lucky Speakeasy isnt charging me the 99 dollars a month because I cant use the service.
I'm close to the CO, but something is wrong with the burried wire, and Verizon wont help me locate the issue. They tested the house, Covad did testing, thought the DSLAM was bad because it was bouncing, tested my PID, but everything looks fine. Just 3-6 times a day, the line drops and reconnects, all freaking burried wire too.
I'd kill for 5/2meg for 40 bux a month, 99 for 6/768 DSL that doesnt work is major suckage. Lucky comcast has 3/256, so im not bandwidth less, I just can't host any of my domains.
Verizon has such bad policies on support on copper, fibre must be a god send to customers needing support... Could even switch to VoIP too.
I'd even shut down my vanity domain Fuck Verizon if they fixed my DSL! Currently I have it re-directed to verizon eats poop...
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Awww yeah!
Your cell phone is still registered your residence - besides you can just give them a neighbor's phone #.
Yell & scream & rant & rave... it's no use... you need a shaaaave ~ Bugs Bunny
Smaller countries such as Japan and Korea can more easily change their network infrastructure (see cell phones, broadband, etc.) We should compare America's network infrastructure to Russia or China or heck even Australia. Comparing it to a much smaller country (in both square footage and population) will not lead to any meaningful conclusions.
14,679 kbps download and 1,794 kbps download speeds.
Since the editors don't edit, I hereby declare 1,794kbps download speed and 14,679 upstream!
REM Old programmers don't die. They just GOSUB without RETURN.
" ok, here's a question:
they need your phone number to determine if fttp is available in your area. I don't have a land line--only a cell phone... suggestions?"
Use the # of a neighbor or nearby business. There isn't going to be much of a difference if you use a number from a building across the street or nearby location unless you happen to be on the edge of some kind of service area.
No word yet on whether Verizon will block ports (25, 80, etc) for incoming or outgoing traffic; with 2MB upload, I hope to basically run a small data center in my basement.
/etc/services file are only default ports, not mandatory ones. For example, you might run smtp server on port 80 and http on port 25 and they would complete the tcp three-way handshake just fine. If you have ever seen a web url in the form of proto://host:port then you know what am I talking about.
First of all you can use any service you want listening on any port you want. Data in your
Second of all, there are other important factors of Internet connection than only throughput. For certain tasks other factors may be in fact much more important, from which responsiveness, min/avg/max icmp round-trip, full duplex support, underlying protocol, mean time between failures, uptime and responsiveness are only a few.
Generally, when you want a good data center you have to learn to look at other factors than raw throughput when choosing an Internet connection, just like you have to learn to look at other factors than clock speed when buying a server for said data center.
Besides, what does the "2MB upload" mean? Two megabytes per second? Including or excluding data parity bits? Synch bits? Tcp headers? Data integrity checksum overhead? Networking is a difficult craft. There is a long way before you will "run a small data center in my basement" just as easily as you imagine, if it is ever possible at all.
Sincerely,
Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
"Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
I just submitted this story to /., I'm assuming it doesn't get listed.
Verizon and Motorola announce deal
Basically, they are using Motorola set top boxes to deliver video feeds off of their Fiber. I would expect it soon.
Disagreeing with me does not mean you get to mod me troll.
That's still faster than the fastest cable available around here (3Mbps/256Kbps) and much faster than the fastest DSL (768Kbps/256Kbps). It's also about a third the cost of DSL and half the cost of cable.
I just wish they were offering it here.
"They redundantly repeated themselves over and over again incessantly without end ad infinitum" -- ibid.
Nope - no servers allowed... so basically Verizon is continuing to be a WSP, not an ISP. I really wish more providers would just let me do what the heck I wanted to do with my connection - why should they care - just throw a QoS penalty on any traffic over xbits/sec that they don't want me to really use
I have mod points and I am not afraid to use them
Of all the places in the US (NYC, Boston, major cities, or even major suburbs) they choose KELLER, TEXAS??!?!?! Cows don't use Fiber!
Okay, I'll stop bragging now (:
I wonder how the TOS nazis plan to handle P2P apps like BT?
Oh, never mind.
...isn't accepting inquieries. Perhaps it lacks a little Fiber to the Premises?
Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress at this period in history.
Verizon is building an all new fiber optic cable plant for FIOS. Even the connection from the street to the premise will require installation of a new fiber optic drop cable and a new premise equipment box.
If you are located in one of the three ex-GTE areas TX, CA or FL currently under build-out and Verizon has been installing new cable ducts using underground rodding equipment, you are likely in the service area. In my area, near Tampa, they installed the ducts down the street in early July. I have not been able to get a map of the service areas from Verizon, but I was able to get verbal confirmation that service will be installed in most of the county over a period of two years.
I intentionally purchased a home in the FIOS service area this year. I've been following the progress of the project closely. I called and ordered FIOS about two weeks ago. A Verizon contractor installed a new fiber optic drop cable to my house last week. I'm slated for installaion of 5mb FIOS service tommorrow. Then all I have to do is get an ethernet cable out to the equipment box and I'll be in business.
(Sidebar: Verizon sales told me that the installation tech is supposed to configure my router and PC, but there's no chance he'll get any chance to touch my systems.)
What would Groucho do?
Since the site appears to have been utterly destroyed and the locator is timing out, the customer service number for Verizon Fiber Solutions. is 888-553-1555. These guys can check your availability for you.
I'm in Houston, TX, and they say no Fios for the forseeable future here.
In Italy we have FASTWEB, that gives us a 10mbit connection, half duplex, for 85 euros a month (unlimited national phone calls included). The problem, though, is that they NATTED our asses!!! We don't have public IPs, only private IPs (many users connect with one IP).
This way, our connection is great for surfing/downloading, but we are in deep s#!t when it comes to setting up a web server, an ftp server, connecting to game servers.... this is because we cannot accept inbound connections.
The only ways out:
1) pay 50 euros extra a month for a public ip
2) use ipv6 tunnel brokers
3) create VPNs with boxes that have public IPs
It is only a test project in Keller TX. They expect a rollout to other areas after the completion of the test. Until then...it is still a BIG-PIPE dream. They did say they will be sending out a notification and advertising campaign when it becomes available in other areas.
You keep going until you die..."Me".
Generally speaking, no. Some ISP's will complain and threaten to cut you off if you use too much of your bandwidth, but some don't. For example, this month I've probably downloaded 100 gigs of data over my DSL line, plus uploads, and I haven't heard anything out of my ISP except them asking me to pay this months usual bill.
Necessity is the mother of invention.
Laziness is the father.
> Verizon: We were wondering. I've been getting calls all day.
Has a call center ever been slashdotted before?
Say it right: "Nuc-le-ah Powah".
The app for checking landline number to determine eligibility is crashing. Very inspiring.
You can get this "Fiber to the premises" only if you have Verizon phone line. (BTW it is only available in about 4 areas right now).
So it would be $39.95, $49.95, Etc + $20-50 for the phone service whatever the cost may be.
For those of us who no longer have a land line to the house because of either piss poor service, or just no need for a home land line (Cell phone cheaper and always with you) this is a really poor deal, the sales rep told me that you need a phone line, but could not explain sufficiently the reason why you would need a phone if you are having fiber run to your house for broadband service, other then "you must have a Verizon phone service specifically to get the Fiber Optics" so over all, the advertised price is not the true price.
p.s. the reason I got rid of my qwest DSL/phone service, was because of extremely poor service, extremely rude customer reps, low bandwidth 640kbps/256kbps/cost $99.99(w/phone service required) vs. cable in my area 3Mbps/256kbps(min)/cost $49.99 (no other service required). Granted, Cable in some areas is extremely unreliable due to high user count on the node, my area though I am the only user on my node (lots of elderly who do not use broadband).
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Just got off the phone from Verizon. and the nice lady gave me some details of availibility.
1) First off, the Number that the script tells you to call (the (888) 662-8275 one) is wrong according to the person that I got on that line. She directed me to (888) 991-4999. Whether or not that's the right number for overall rollout I dont know, but it had all the answers I got. Not that you'll need to call after reading this.
2) From what she was seeing, it's still only available in the Texas area where it was deployed for it's Pilot Program. She wouldn't confirm where they were expanding the service, but she did confirm that it is going to expand in the coming months because it was very successful in the pilot program apparently.
3) She said that availability will be announced in your Verizon bill (If you get one) as soon as it's available in your area (probably to cover the costs of the equipment). the web site also will tell you about availibility whenever it's updated, but for right now it's Texas only.
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Verizon's FIOS is a passive optical network, which uses shared bandwidth on the downstream side (every home's equipment sees all the traffic) and time-division multiplexing on the upstream side (homes send data one at a time). That approach allows Verizon to have only passive, non-powered optical splitters in the field, sharing one fiber among as many as 32 homes.
Google passive optical network if you want to know more.
Image 100s of boxes on this service getting compromised and used in DDoS attacks... you think its bad now with 256-512kbit/s upstream, imagine 2Mbit/s upstream. Verizon needs to be on the lookout, watching for large spikes in upstream bandwidth, actively looking for DDoS activity.
SECURE YOU BOXES!
The Doormat
If you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention.
Let me start with the installation. I ordered the 15/2 MB package. The installation went pretty smooth. The techs were knowledgeable and polite. As the pictures show in previous comment they mount a box on the side of the house by the existing phone box. The box is also configured for a COAX connection into the premises. I have heard rumors that they already have a deal worked out with one of the dish companies. The only issue I had with the install was that the installation techs could not go into the attic of my house. (Already had several lawsuits due to techs falling through ceilings.) So they were going to run a CAT5E cable around the side and drill a hole through the side. I ended up running the CAT5 cable myself. They also need to install a UPS within 50' of the box mounted outside that does the fiber to copper conversion. They will also sell you a D-Link 624 Wireless access point/router or furnish another D-Link router for free. I had major trouble with it dropping the PPPoE (hate PPPoE) connection. I messed with it for 2 weeks and bought a Linksys. After I changed the default MTU the Linksys has been flawless. The change over for the phones was done onsite by the installation techs and took all of 10 seconds.
Service - great so far. Download tests from a Verizon website run around 15 MB down and just under 1.8 MB up. Tests from websites to check the speed of your line report anywhere from 1.5 down to 4.5 down. For most viewing you will not notice any difference, although I have noticed traceroutes seem faster. I have also found that most websites limit download speeds to 500K. I was able to download the Fedora Core 3 Test 3 from a university the other night at just under 7.5 MB second. As for what ports are being blocked, I have my own mailserver setup and it is working. I can ssh back to my servers with no problems. HTTP seems to be blocked though, but I have not been able to confirm this with Verizon. Conclusion - So far I have been very satisfied with the service. It is as fast as they advertised and in 6 weeks has not gone down. The only drawbacks I have so far are the PPPoE connection, D-Link router, and having to run my own CAT5 cable.
The internet IS P2P
Funny, until a few years ago, nearly all Internet-based applications (and hence, traffic) was definitely server-client based. HTTP, SMTP, POP, DNS, all server-client. With the recent advent of P2P apps, that may have changed in terms of raw traffic, but just because one person downloads a single 4 GB ISO hardly out-weighs the fact that another 100,000 have sat down in that time frame and used distinctly client-server applications.
If you don't have a "always on", syncronous connection with static ip where you can do what ever you want on any port, it is NOT an internet service.
So, once you put up a firewall, you no longer have an Internet service?
steve
Oh, you're not stuck, you're just unable to let go of the onion rings.
In this case, its a premium service, not a "buy in bulk, and get it cheaper"... that would be buying a gbit pipe. Small businesses will lap it up at those prices. T1's are several hundred more in most markets, for 1.55/1.55mbit.
Ever fly business class? You pay 4 times as much for 50% more room.
"Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it." -- GBS
If Ma Bell were still in existence, the Feds could have easily required broadband access to every
home.
Uh, you do realize that back in the days of Ma Bell you weren't allowed to even plug a modem into a phone jack? Why do you think that people used acoustic couplers?
Sure, you'd have high speed internet access. Oh, you would only be able to use it on a genuine Bell computer - buy your 1.2 GHz model for only $1500!
The problem is that barriers to local phone competition need to be lifted. Sure, you won't see competition in the suburbs - at least not initially, but in major cities it would probably take off quickly since the per-capita cost of additional wiring isn't too bad. It would probably slowly spread out into the suburbs much as phone service did in the first place.
We also trashed our airline industry
all in the name of competition -- too bad that
those really cheap airline tickets are being
subsidized by the American taxpayer in the form
of airline bankruptcy bailouts and fuel subsidies.
Regardless about how you feel about phone service monopolies - airlines clearly are not a "natural monopoly" (perhaps airport management is, but certainly not flying the planes themselves). All the federal government needs to do is let some airlines fold, and let the industry consolidate to a reasonable number of players. Fares would rise, of course, but not to the levels they used to be at. Back before deregulation, airline fares were such that only the "jet set" could afford to fly at all. There were no sales - prices were imposed from on high. Even the food served was regulated, in order to prevent airlines from differentiating themselves. That is just crazy.
Regardless of what you think about phone service, airlines should be in complete competition. Barriers to entry are fairly low, no real infrastructure is required (besides the planes and a few mechanics) - none of the usual arguments for natural monopolies really apply. If you're going to regulate airlines, we should be regulating the convenience stores down the street...
I am building a house in a new community in Westfield, IN (Indianapolis basically) and confirmed I could get it installed asap if my house was built. This is probably due to a new community with all teh wiring brand new, including the CO in the back yard.
What the hell is wrong with the moderators?
The fiber is there because the public (i.e., the government) enabled it.
Who the hell cares if the government enabled it, Verizon is spending the millions of dollars and putting in the time to make this possible. They should have monopoly rights on their investment and hard work. The government also "enables" stadiums to be built, large office buildings to be built, etc. The government doesn't then force the owners of Madison Square Garden to rent it out at a government-regulated rate. The government doesn't force the owners of the Empire State Building to lease out office space at a government-regulated rate.
The owners of these buildings (and other such properties or services) rent them out because it is in their financial interest to do so. The rate at which they are rented out is set by the fair market value. If it is in Verizon's interest to lease out their fiber lines then they will do so and the fair market value will determine the rate. We don't need the government stepping in to tell Verizon that XYZ is the rate that they can lease their fiber at and there's nothing they can do about it.
What we need is less regulation, not more of it.
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Verizon is laying the fiber along other people's property. It has the right to do this by virtue of government action: easements (rights to use someone else's land in a particular way) granted by way of or under threat of eminent domain (government-imposed surrender of property rights). Verizon (or Bell, long ago) used a special relationship with the government to get what it has, and so does not have the right to use it in an unregulated fashion.
Removing controls from large companies while letting them keep their special government-granted advantages does not create a free market. Free-market advocates who fail to understand this create broken economic systems when they succeed and give us all a bad name even if they don't. Please don't be one of them.