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Verizon Taking FTTP Installation Orders
ooglek writes "Verizon is now qualifying and accepting installations for FTTP (Fiber To the Premises)! $39.95 for 5MB/2MB, $49.95 for 15MB/2MB, and $199.95 for 30MB/5MB. No word yet on whether Verizon will block ports (25, 80, etc) for incoming or outgoing traffic; with 2MB upload, I hope to basically run a small data center in my basement. Both phone and Internet will come through the fiber, and there is an unofficial rumor of video services as well by the end of this year. Got Fiber? My install date is November 2nd in Falls Church, VA (near DC). Several people in Keller, Texas have posted pictures and reported 14,679 kbps download and 1,794 kbps download speeds." Update: 10/26 23:52 GMT by T : That second "download" ought probably read "upload."
It takes me to the DSL order page, and tells me I already have it. Yes, I do, I never noticed. Thanks Verizon!
The 5MB/2MB pricing is great for my area. I get about 4MB/256KB right now for around $29/month. The biggest advantage to the fiber would be the 2MB upload speed which would be great as I send a lot of photos to my dad for a genealogical project. I went to Verizons site and my phone number doesn't qualify yet, but, I'm sure it will be eventually....
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Verizon has clearly stated that the "actual throughput speed will vary based on factors such as the condition of your wiring inside your location; computer configuration; network or Internet congestion; and the server speeds of Web sites you access, among other factors. Speed and uninterrupted use of the service are not guaranteed."
So how long will the 15/2Mbps last, and is Verizon at least giving guarantee on a minimum sustainable speed?
Rock that crushes, Paper & Scissors that don't matter.
Are these going to be the monthly rates as well or are these just installation costs?
As far as i got it, the ADSL lines had low upload because of technical limitations.
But why would these lines come in 5Mb/2Mb and not just 5/5 ?
The system had the verbosity of HTML combined with all the readability of compiled assembly viewed as bitmap images
Our system is unable to determine if Verizon Fios Internet Service is available at your location.
Please try again at a later time or call (888) 662-8275 Monday-Friday 8 a.m.-11 p.m. EST or Saturday 8 a.m.-8 p.m. EST to speak with a Verizon Online representative.
What an Evil tease...
Michalangelo Progr
and my phone no longer works either. sigh.
I wouldn't hold my breath.
From the summary:
... and reported 14,679 kbps download and 1,794 kbps download speeds.
Sorry Verizon, but if I can't upload those HTTP GET requests, I don't need any of your one-way fibre. Talk about asymmetric!
What I can tell you is this:
When I started with DSL 5+ years ago, they allowed servers, and no ports were blocked. After a couple years, they blocked port 80 and changed the TOS to disallow servers. If servers aren't already disallowed, I imagine they will be eventually.
You broke it.
Server Error in '/FiosForHome' Application.
Runtime Error
Description: An application error occurred on the server. The current custom error settings for this application prevent the details of the application error from being viewed remotely (for security reasons). It could, however, be viewed by browsers running on the local server machine.
Details: To enable the details of this specific error message to be viewable on remote machines, please create a tag within a "web.config" configuration file located in the root directory of the current web application. This tag should then have its "mode" attribute set to "Off".
Notes: The current error page you are seeing can be replaced by a custom error page by modifying the "defaultRedirect" attribute of the application's configuration tag to point to a custom error page URL.
Server Error in '/FiosForHome' Application.
All the bandwidth in the world won't do you any good if your servers aren't up to snuff.
I hope to basically run a small data center in my basement.
don't you mean your mom's basement?
I came to the datacenter drunk with a fake ID, don't you want to be just like me?
Server Error in '/FiosForHome' Application.
Runtime Error
Description: An application error occurred on the server. The current custom error settings for this application prevent the details of the application error from being viewed remotely (for security reasons). It could, however, be viewed by browsers running on the local server machine.
Details: To enable the details of this specific error message to be viewable on remote machines, please create a tag within a "web.config" configuration file located in the root directory of the current web application. This tag should then have its "mode" attribute set to "Off".
Notes: The current error page you are seeing can be replaced by a custom error page by modifying the "defaultRedirect" attribute of the application's configuration tag to point to a custom error page URL.
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I am getting fiber to the premisis installed this week, and it's 100Mbps up/down for ~25 bux / month.
I was complaining because VSL limits that to ~55Mbps.
Being in Japan just put things into a dirrerent perspective, I guess. So here is to consumers of America (of whom I will become one again all too soon) - DEMAND MORE!! it's kind of weird when the post get so excited even though it... erm... relly slow.
My life in the land of the rising sun.
$39.95 for 5MB/2MB, $49.95 for 15MB/2MB, and $199.95 for 30MB/5MB
In Tokyo (my home nw) that's DSL rates! Fibre STARTS at 100MBps! WTF?
I live in Huntington Beach, one of the first places this is rolling out. That said, I'm going to be content with my 3Mb/768k DSL until I'm sure there aren't any ridiculous "for entertainment only" policies on Verizon's books. My current ISP (SurfCity DSL) doesn't block ports, sells me a static IP for a small fee, and even sells IP address blocks for reasonable (~$20/mo) fees. Having all the bandwidth in the world is practically useless with a dynamic IP and having the major ports blocked.
I can't get Verizon to fix my 6 meg dsl, since DSL isn't supported, only voice lines are. Lucky Speakeasy isnt charging me the 99 dollars a month because I cant use the service.
I'm close to the CO, but something is wrong with the burried wire, and Verizon wont help me locate the issue. They tested the house, Covad did testing, thought the DSLAM was bad because it was bouncing, tested my PID, but everything looks fine. Just 3-6 times a day, the line drops and reconnects, all freaking burried wire too.
I'd kill for 5/2meg for 40 bux a month, 99 for 6/768 DSL that doesnt work is major suckage. Lucky comcast has 3/256, so im not bandwidth less, I just can't host any of my domains.
Verizon has such bad policies on support on copper, fibre must be a god send to customers needing support... Could even switch to VoIP too.
I'd even shut down my vanity domain Fuck Verizon if they fixed my DSL! Currently I have it re-directed to verizon eats poop...
ok, here's a question:
they need your phone number to determine if fttp is available in your area. I don't have a land line--only a cell phone... suggestions?
14,679 kbps download, damn, now that's some porn!
MSN® Premium Internet Software
Awww yeah!
Because then at least couldn't blame the bandwidth problem for their IIS issues.
F io s/ErrorPageHSI.aspx?aspxerrorpath=/FiosForHome/cha nnels/OrderFios/olo_addtodb_futurenotification.asp x
https://www22.verizon.com/FiosForHome/Channels/
Don't think that a small group of dedicated individuals can't change the world. It's the only thing that ever has.
I just spent about 3 hours on the phone with Verizon Tech Spport today. All that is required is to get my little 10Mb "Personal Web Space" working. It took that amount of time, 2 lost connections to tech support, one discussion with the Customer Advocacy folks, to finally get it up to Engineering. And they are supposed to fix the problem in 48 hours. Its probably just a permissions issue. Verizon? Blech!
Okay for all of you people with the obscene ADSL/DSL connections all I can say is "You Bastards". Try living in Australia and having to pay out a minimum $80 a month for 1500/256 connection.
Mutter mutter grumble grumble
The first plan is 5Mbps/2Mbps with a lower case b. That means 625KB/s down, 250KB/s up.
I hate to put up flamebait how such and such just plain sucks, but this is an exception. Verizon sucks. It's too bad they're pretty much the cheapest around here and the only broadband provider where I live. I'm using a subsidiary of Verizon called VerizonAvenue, which is focused on apartment communities. We have a DSLAM on site and connect directly to it. Nice that we don't need a land line, however the service is just plain awful. This might be a faster service but don't count on it making you much happier, the company behind it is terrible. The horror stories are out there to prove it.
Smaller countries such as Japan and Korea can more easily change their network infrastructure (see cell phones, broadband, etc.) We should compare America's network infrastructure to Russia or China or heck even Australia. Comparing it to a much smaller country (in both square footage and population) will not lead to any meaningful conclusions.
Maybe they should hook themselves up first?
Slashdot is proof that Sturgeon's Law applies to mankind.
14,679 kbps download and 1,794 kbps download speeds.
Since the editors don't edit, I hereby declare 1,794kbps download speed and 14,679 upstream!
REM Old programmers don't die. They just GOSUB without RETURN.
Translation: we'll actually charge you more, but we're not going to tell you how much.
It's not wasting time, I'm educating myself.
No word yet on whether Verizon will block ports (25, 80, etc) for incoming or outgoing traffic; with 2MB upload, I hope to basically run a small data center in my basement.
/etc/services file are only default ports, not mandatory ones. For example, you might run smtp server on port 80 and http on port 25 and they would complete the tcp three-way handshake just fine. If you have ever seen a web url in the form of proto://host:port then you know what am I talking about.
First of all you can use any service you want listening on any port you want. Data in your
Second of all, there are other important factors of Internet connection than only throughput. For certain tasks other factors may be in fact much more important, from which responsiveness, min/avg/max icmp round-trip, full duplex support, underlying protocol, mean time between failures, uptime and responsiveness are only a few.
Generally, when you want a good data center you have to learn to look at other factors than raw throughput when choosing an Internet connection, just like you have to learn to look at other factors than clock speed when buying a server for said data center.
Besides, what does the "2MB upload" mean? Two megabytes per second? Including or excluding data parity bits? Synch bits? Tcp headers? Data integrity checksum overhead? Networking is a difficult craft. There is a long way before you will "run a small data center in my basement" just as easily as you imagine, if it is ever possible at all.
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Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
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Cool, I'll get all my spam quicker now.
Oh well. 10mbit both ways fiber has been not so unusual in sweden for the last years. With 100mbit comming, or already there. And without restriction that is to. For about $30 a month. The drawback is it's only available for the ones living in the lucky buildings, but it's quite widespread.
i think you're off by quite a bit
according to the site, its 15Mbs for $50, not 15MB
thats the difference of 120Mbs to 15Mbs (quite a bit...)
but then... who knows how to abbriviate things nowadays..
Japan has had FTTH (Fiber To The Home) for years. and they don't limit the speed. Its 100Mbit all the way baby.
Why is it that when the rest of the world catches up, its always limited?
I just submitted this story to /., I'm assuming it doesn't get listed.
Verizon and Motorola announce deal
Basically, they are using Motorola set top boxes to deliver video feeds off of their Fiber. I would expect it soon.
Disagreeing with me does not mean you get to mod me troll.
"It's gonna take some heavy fiber to move that out."
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
I called the toll-free number and the guy was stumped. He said that it is currently available in a couple areas to Verizon employees only.
:)
He said they weren't selling it yet and he didn't even have pricing info so I helped him out and quoted the web page pricing to him.
He seemed confused by the fact that he had just gotten several calls about this new service. Apparently I'm not the only one who called after their web site repeatedly crashed.
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Ordering page is overloaded but I can assume what the reposnse for my phone number will be:
"Sorry, it is not currently in your area but we will be servicing your neighborhood very soon."
Funny thing is exactly what I've been hearing monthly from Verizon since 1998 when I first started trying to get DSL service from them. Even phone calls are greeted with the same response. I'm sure they have more updated area deployment estimates that are more accurate then 6 years.
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Their website was slashdotted, so i gave them a call to see. Took 5 mins to find out that the qualification was inconclusive. That would mean one of two things: Their testing gear was broke, their software was on the blink from the beating it was taking, or the CO's equipment is still red-tagged World War II stuff!
Down here, most likely it would be the third selection..
First rule of holes; When in one, stop digging.
Well, that was pleasent.
MB means MegaByte. Mb is megaBit. Quite a difference, but you can generally count on connection speed being measured in the latter.
/. subscription if the stories could be edited for technical and grammatical correctness. That would really be nice.
I'd seriously consider buying a
So, if i only get one IP address, that means i cannot run my own H.323 or SIP server or anything like that.
It sucks. No thanks.
Is this PON or something else? Does anyone know of the details of the gear that makes this work?
The PON stuff is getting cheaper, for example a small headend unit is now about $4500 and the stuff at each house is less than $750 and with fiber running a dime a meter, the major costs is the trenching and fusion splicer.
Just a word of caution after having been through several hurricanes this year:
What happens when the power goes out, the fiber goes dark, and now you have no telephone? During the hurricanes many people running phone service through broadband were SOL, and cell phone reliability also went into the toilet. Keep in mind some areas were without power for _weeks_. As much as I want to ditch mine, sometimes a land line is still the best way to go.
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Thats the sad state of the Uk's telephone system :(
All spelling mistakes are due to solar flares...honest
FTTP (Fiber To the Premises)! $39.95 for 5MB/2MB, $49.95 for 15MB/2MB, and $199.95 for 30MB/5MB
...and I live less than 20 minutes out from Boston and I still can't get DSL service other than 1.5mbit/96kbit (yes, you read that right. 96kbit upload, WORSE THAN ISDN!)
If I lived one town over, I could have my choice of DSL providers and about 10 different combos of up/down rates. It's quite sad; Verizon won't allow any of the DSL companies to sell service in our town, and they won't offer anything except their stupid 1.5mbit/96kbit service...probably because they have a gentleman's agreement with AT&T Broadband...which just so happens to be the only choice in cable/cablemodem service. They offer 3mbit/384kbit , but I have never seen better than 200kbit upload over the last 2 years or so; I'm pretty sure they've throttled it way, way back...and despite trying all sorts of traffic shaping, download speeds drop quite a bit when upload speeds go up.
I'm sorry, what's that you were saying about deregulation, Mr. Powell?
Please help metamoderate.
Not sure how American ISPs work, but do you have bandwidth caps on these things?
Like they sell you a connection with say, 10GB downloads a month for $39.95.
Online backup with Mozy, sounds like Ozzie, but more!
Nope - no servers allowed... so basically Verizon is continuing to be a WSP, not an ISP. I really wish more providers would just let me do what the heck I wanted to do with my connection - why should they care - just throw a QoS penalty on any traffic over xbits/sec that they don't want me to really use
I have mod points and I am not afraid to use them
From their polic, section 3.6 - E.
You may not use the Broadband Service to host any type of server personal or commercial in nature.
The interesting thing is the APC powershield (basically a 12v battery and charger) in the pictures. So it looks like responsibility for powering the demarc end of the fiber is shifted to the customer.
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System requirements only list Windows and I don't own a Windows computer...so I'll never see it! Too bad they could not support other OS's...oh well it is Verizon and MSN.
My other car is a motorcycle!
Of all the places in the US (NYC, Boston, major cities, or even major suburbs) they choose KELLER, TEXAS??!?!?! Cows don't use Fiber!
Now if I only had a telephone land line to check and see if I qualify... Oh well.
Okay, I'll stop bragging now (:
Now I'm thoroughly dissatisfied with my cable modem.
Thanks.
I am NOT a man!
I am a free number!
I would pose a serious question to their support department first and require them to explain why other operating systems don't qualify for certain service ranges... If you look at their system requirements page they say Win98/ME doesn't support 15/2Mbs and 30/5Mbs connection speeds...
What does the OS have to do with the external speed??? What does that mean for Linux/*BSD/DOS/Mac9.x? According to the pages, a 100BaseT network port is required for connection, so why a speed limit? I would look very carefully at what they really want that 100MB of drive space for....
I wonder how the TOS nazis plan to handle P2P apps like BT?
I guess my point is...
Why is this just now a story? Did that page just come up today, and that's the story?
I talked to him earlier and confirmed he's had it for 3 weeks.
Does this service require MSN Premium to be installed?
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
So what's the big deal. The phone/ISP/Computer company I work for has been offering fiber for over a year and a half. Next spring we will be offering TV over the fiber. We already have a prliminary channel line up. I live in central Washingto FWIW.
Oh, never mind.
...isn't accepting inquieries. Perhaps it lacks a little Fiber to the Premises?
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Twilight for Traditional Telecom Regulation?
Cato TechKnowledge Issue #91
October 25, 2004
by Adam Thierer
Slowly but surely, change is coming to the world of telecommunications regulation. While it's easy to get pessimistic about the sluggish pace of reform in the eight years since the not-so-revolutionary Telecommunications Act of 1996 passed, recent developments prove that central planning is finally starting to give way to a future of free markets and consumer choice.
Consider that, on October 14, the Federal Communications Commission quietly promulgated a new rule allowing incumbent telephone companies to run "fiber-to-the-curb" (FTTC) lines within 500 feet of a customer's home or office without fear of infrastructure-sharing mandates. (A previous FCC decision had already liberated "fiber-to-the-home" (FTTH), making it clear that telcos would not be forced to share lines that ran all the way to the customer's premises.) On the same day, the FCC announced new rules allowing energy and electricity carriers to offer Broadband over Power Line (BPL) service to their customers.
Those unfamiliar with the mysteries of modern communications regulation might reasonably ask: Why does the government have any say over these decisions to begin with? Shouldn't these companies be free to offer consumers these innovative new services without asking "Mother, May I"? Of course they should, but that's not the way telecom regulation has long worked. In the eyes of many regulators, you are guilty of being a monopolist until proven innocent.
Yet, many regulators are finally coming to see that there is no denying the realities of our competitive communications marketplace. Shackling one set of players with unique rules no longer makes any sense in a world where every home or office has two or three wires to choose from, and wireless options too. As these two recent FCC decisions illustrate, the war over telecom is drawing to a close. But let's step back for a moment and consider just how costly and unproductive this war has been.
Leave No Telecom Consultant Behind. A few years ago, a rather remarkable advertising/public relations battle took place over a piece of telecom reform legislation sponsored by Representatives Billy Tauzin (R-La.) and John Dingell (D-Mich.). Ads both praising and blasting the "Tauzin-Dingell" bill littered the papers, television and radio, and even Internet websites. The industry combatants who waged this battle spent countless millions. A lot of lawyers, consultants and PR companies got very rich by coming up with crafty bumper-sticker slogans and slick-looking ads. The funny (or perhaps sad) thing is, despite all the time, energy, and money devoted it, few even knew what this fight was really all about.
Nonetheless, the fight was important. At stake was the question of how future communications and broadband markets, networks, and technologies would be regulated. Simply put, the Tauzin-Dingell bill stood for the proposition that it didn't make sense to regulate the new stuff the same way we regulated the old stuff. More specifically, the bill proposed a regulatory quarantine of sorts between the rules governing old telecom networks and those for next generation high-speed broadband services. The Tauzin-Dingell bill exempted new investments and networks from the infrastructure sharing rules that governed old copper telecom systems.
The legislative war over Tauzin-Dingell was epic, but ultimately little came of it. After years of shelling from both sides, the guns fell silent on Capitol Hill as the battle shifted to other fronts, namely the FCC and the courts. Things weren't much better at the FCC. Agency officials engaged in protracted debates over the regulations spawned by the Telecom Act. Among many other things, the question of the old rules--new networks problem was raised again. And, again, policymakers delayed giving the industry specific answers about what to expect.
Uncertainty ruled. Markets tanked. Carriers scratched thei
I'm moving from DC to Huntsville, AL tomarrow. Damn. Though I have never had a land line here so I can't check anyway. But I would LOVE to get this since I usually run servers at home for various things and the 14kBps up sucks.
I do security
Since the site appears to have been utterly destroyed and the locator is timing out, the customer service number for Verizon Fiber Solutions. is 888-553-1555. These guys can check your availability for you.
I'm in Houston, TX, and they say no Fios for the forseeable future here.
I saw "GNAA Last Measure" and IMMEDIATELY slammed the back button - before Opera's JavaScript, or hell, rendering, engines kicked in.
In Italy we have FASTWEB, that gives us a 10mbit connection, half duplex, for 85 euros a month (unlimited national phone calls included). The problem, though, is that they NATTED our asses!!! We don't have public IPs, only private IPs (many users connect with one IP).
This way, our connection is great for surfing/downloading, but we are in deep s#!t when it comes to setting up a web server, an ftp server, connecting to game servers.... this is because we cannot accept inbound connections.
The only ways out:
1) pay 50 euros extra a month for a public ip
2) use ipv6 tunnel brokers
3) create VPNs with boxes that have public IPs
It is only a test project in Keller TX. They expect a rollout to other areas after the completion of the test. Until then...it is still a BIG-PIPE dream. They did say they will be sending out a notification and advertising campaign when it becomes available in other areas.
You keep going until you die..."Me".
You shouldn't complain. Given that it took you prolly 2 mins to post your message, the .asp server lasted 8 full minutes.
From Netcraft:
http://www22.verizon.com was running Microsoft-IIS on Linux when last queried at 27-Oct-2004 00:22:46 GMT
I didn't even know you could run IIS on Linux. See? It's the fault of Linux! This thing is not robust, I tell ya! [Asbestos Suit = On]
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I live in Grant County, Washington, where the local PUD made a metric asston of cash selling power to California. Now we have 100Mbps residential fiber optics for about $30 a month. I'm hosting a webserver out of my basement with pretty good speeds. I love it. 3Mbps cable seems like shit in comparison.
and there is an unofficial rumor of video services as well by the end of this year.
I have been working on the backhaul connections in my area for this for a while now. Each CO is starting with a pair of OC3s to link back the the data center. Video is most definitely going to be piped to the prems on these same fibers at a different wavelength (I think 1490 nm). Wether this happens by the end of the year remains to be seen, but it will happen.
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> Verizon: We were wondering. I've been getting calls all day.
Has a call center ever been slashdotted before?
Say it right: "Nuc-le-ah Powah".
Just got off the phone with a Verizon Fios customer service representative. According to him Verizon Fios (pronounced "F-I-OH's") is only currently available in "PARTS" of San Diego. Not sure if he really knows what he's talking about when it comes to their build out plan but apparently Verizon Fios is supposed to be available EVERYWHERE by October of 2005. (Don't hold your breath.) In case you'd like to verify whether or not it's availble to you - you can call: 1-888-662-8275 and press 3, & then 3 again to go directly to the Verizon Fios department (ordering).
Wherever you go, there you are.
It's pretty simple--if I can get this, I will. I doubt it, since I live in a Bellsouth calling area, but if they'll give it to me, I'd do it in a heartbeat. And I would keep my vonage service.
This is awesome news!
Go evil monopoly corporation #43234az39!!
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The app for checking landline number to determine eligibility is crashing. Very inspiring.
Without static IPs and with draconian TOS, I'd only be interested if they could offer a good competitive 'cable' service to Time Warner. That is to say, assloads of channels + broadband for $80/mo instead of $100/mo.
Then again, it'd probably take another 10 years to fibre up NYC, so I don't care.
NEXT!
You can get this "Fiber to the premises" only if you have Verizon phone line. (BTW it is only available in about 4 areas right now).
So it would be $39.95, $49.95, Etc + $20-50 for the phone service whatever the cost may be.
For those of us who no longer have a land line to the house because of either piss poor service, or just no need for a home land line (Cell phone cheaper and always with you) this is a really poor deal, the sales rep told me that you need a phone line, but could not explain sufficiently the reason why you would need a phone if you are having fiber run to your house for broadband service, other then "you must have a Verizon phone service specifically to get the Fiber Optics" so over all, the advertised price is not the true price.
p.s. the reason I got rid of my qwest DSL/phone service, was because of extremely poor service, extremely rude customer reps, low bandwidth 640kbps/256kbps/cost $99.99(w/phone service required) vs. cable in my area 3Mbps/256kbps(min)/cost $49.99 (no other service required). Granted, Cable in some areas is extremely unreliable due to high user count on the node, my area though I am the only user on my node (lots of elderly who do not use broadband).
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I was just in Denton (30 minutes north of Keller) for a concert this weekend! Dang it, I should have STAYED! >_
Don't blame me -- I voted for Roslin.
Or just be super tech and include the full path including ports on all your URLS!!!
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Why would ports 25 and 80 incoming be blocked? Why would anyone pay for internet service without port 80 incoming?
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I hope to basically run a small data center in my basement
Someone's getting free heating for his bedroom!
5 MB down and 2 MB up isn't very much - I get 10 GB (both ways) with my DSL connection. I hope that this was a typo!
In our community we hv our own Data center and we hv fiber optic cable terminated to each and every home and appartment. Our community controls the speed and package. Check it out http://www.issaquahhighlands.com/highSpeed.html -B
...let me know when you are offering it in north_cow_flop georgia where I live. I do know that hecksouth has fiber to the nearest box, which is 2.75 miles from my abode....and they have NO plans evah to bring it any place else down these parts, from what I was told when I asked them. 40$/month you would have my business, cash in advance. Let me see, that should only take you around two decades for a ROI probably..... /me admits to capitalist reality..
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Or do they do what Optimum Online does? Anytime you're using more than a trickle of upstream for more than a few hours, they permanently lock your upstream down to 15% of what you're supposed to get. It's like whee yay fast upload! Oh sorry you can't do anything with it or we take it away.
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Hi I just called up Verizon and I live like 2 miles from where you are (Tysons Corner) and was told they have no offerings in Northern VA yet and it'll take 6-8 more months???. Could I get some sorta confirmation from you, like something I could state back to them, order number perhaps? Thanks
Just got off the phone from Verizon. and the nice lady gave me some details of availibility.
1) First off, the Number that the script tells you to call (the (888) 662-8275 one) is wrong according to the person that I got on that line. She directed me to (888) 991-4999. Whether or not that's the right number for overall rollout I dont know, but it had all the answers I got. Not that you'll need to call after reading this.
2) From what she was seeing, it's still only available in the Texas area where it was deployed for it's Pilot Program. She wouldn't confirm where they were expanding the service, but she did confirm that it is going to expand in the coming months because it was very successful in the pilot program apparently.
3) She said that availability will be announced in your Verizon bill (If you get one) as soon as it's available in your area (probably to cover the costs of the equipment). the web site also will tell you about availibility whenever it's updated, but for right now it's Texas only.
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Slashdotted! Oooh, that's gotta hurt.
I want my Cowboyneal
I found it odd that Verizon's pre-qualify check requires a phone number, even though the FAQ states no less than six times that availability "is based on your service address not on your telephone number." There doesn't seem to be a pre-qualify where you can type in a street address.
Burns me a little, because I don't have a land-line (that's half the point of your own fiber link...who needs copper when you've got VoIP and 2MBit upstream?)
Caveat Emptor is not a business model.
My brother lives in Keller, TX. Cant wait for him to get the 15/5 package so i can setup a nice server on his pipe. Only wish they had 10mb up so i could distro =)
Not to sound like a shill, but TPG internet has just cut done some really cheap new plans - 20 gigs per months at 1.5/256, $49.95. I just switched, and the pings to gaming servers are slow during the evenings but for P2P it's surely faster than your 256/64 at all times, and pretty much full speed outside the 6-11 PM period...
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
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A friend of mine moved on September 1st. Verizon took almost 2 months to fuck around with his move order, finally getting his DSL up on October 24th. There were no technical problems. The customer service people at Verizon were corteous, smart and full of energy, and desire to help. They apologized every time she called. They has an explanation ready (the best of which was "your order seems to have fallen through the cracks"). They promised to fix everything by the end of the next week. At which point she got another e-mail from Verizon saying "Your service ready date has been moved. Your new service ready date is...". This happened 4 times, until finally they hooked her up, almost 2 month after her move. Now, from what I understand, hooking up a DSL service involves swapping a line card at the central office (unless your line has a DSL line card already), and pressing a few keys on a computer. So, WTF?
Now, lets get back on topic. I don't quite believe that you will actually see your fiber working for a year or two. Verizon is bound to fuck up your order. You will be using dial-up the whole time. In other words, you will be better off staying on your DSL until some other provider than Verizon offers fiber, and save yourself the trouble. In any case, best of luck to you:-).
Hey - got the Verizon FiOS mailer on Friday and caught my wife at the trash can in a supremely geeky moment "don't throw that away!". They are coming to do an install next Wed. I live in Arlington, VA close to the East Falls Church metro stop.
/2 up for 39.95
Some notes from my call with the very helpful "Mr. Shell" (he must have made that name up)
- i'm getting 5 down
- i'm paying a bit extra for a router with 802.11g - I asked and they said it is a d-link DI624 (does anyone have experience with this one?)
- he said the point of entry for the fiber box includes about 6 hrs battery backup for voice only service in the case of a power outage, to make up for the fact that power won't come over copper like with POTS
- the guy I ordered with got some details about the router over IM with his supervisor while talking to me. I love when companies embrace simple obvious tech like this, and was somewhat surprised given Verizon's notorious Luddite ways (resisting bluetooth forever, etc.)
- I forgot to ask about static IPs. Doh!
I'm cautiously optimistic for now, but as I have one dedicated server in the US and a co-lo box in Canada you bet your ass I'll be evaluating the service carefully.
Perhaps I'll find a new home for hosting dodgeit.com. I'll try to post my experience to the blog there after a week or two.
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Hmm... so I can't even control what's inside my house? Why? What if I want to ensure my home network (which computers with personal data is on) are secure? Quite a few found the default password for the linksys modem's... etc etc.
What if I want to setup some port forwarding etc.?
What if my company issues me a special router for access to within their network?
The good side of this: will force companies like comcast to offer higher speeds to stay competitive. Wouldn't mind if 3.5 becomes 5Mbps.
Verizon's FIOS is a passive optical network, which uses shared bandwidth on the downstream side (every home's equipment sees all the traffic) and time-division multiplexing on the upstream side (homes send data one at a time). That approach allows Verizon to have only passive, non-powered optical splitters in the field, sharing one fiber among as many as 32 homes.
Google passive optical network if you want to know more.
Server Error in '/FiosForHome' Application. Runtime Error Description: An application error occurred on the server. The current custom error settings for this application prevent the details of the application error from being viewed remotely (for security reasons). It could, however, be viewed by browsers running on the local server machine. Details: To enable the details of this specific error message to be viewable on remote machines, please create a tag within a "web.config" configuration file located in the root directory of the current web application. This tag should then have its "mode" attribute set to "Off". Notes: The current error page you are seeing can be replaced by a custom error page by modifying the "defaultRedirect" attribute of the application's configuration tag to point to a custom error page URL.
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But it STILL not internet service. The internet was meant to be syncronous. Almost all services are tcp based. The internet was meant to be a mechinism to share. The internet IS P2P. I get wildly pissed off at this crap the corporations shove at us and expect us to thank them for their pricing. We shouldn't be looking to south korea and canada for leadership in networking the nation.
If you don't have a "always on", syncronous connection with static ip where you can do what ever you want on any port, it is NOT an internet service.
Not that the public utility comissions of the world ever care about actual people.
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Do I need a land line? How do you check for availability if I only have a cell phone? Is the monthly price higher for non-verizon phone users? What about cell phone users(Verizon or not)? What are the minimum system requirements? What brand and model of router? Is the Verizon installation free? How much is the FUSF(Verizon Online monthly Supplier FUSF recovery fee)?
15MB/2MB 50USD I think to myself damn!!!!
I get the frigin vapours and everything.
ITS A LOWER CASE b ON THE VERIZON SITE DAMN IT!!!!!!
As in bit NOT Byte. To the root poster get your weights and measures right ya prick tease.
"Never trust a computer you can't throw." -- The Mac
According to the fine print:
CAT5 or higher grade inside wiring required for FiosSM Internet Service; Verizon installation required.
Still this sounds promising much faster rates for little more than I currently pay for DSL!
Why would anyone pay that much for performance of a connection that is less then ethernet? Just because the medium is fiber? I don't get it. We have more hype sometimes.... LOOK at the speeds verses the charges.
It's a narrow mind that can only spell a word one way!
Verizon has been digging up yards in our neighborhood (in Northern Virginia suburbs of DC) for the last week, dropping fiber orange conduit in the ground with concrete junction boxes for each house. I guess this explains why... I was getting pretty PO'd because I just spent a bunch of time and effort planting new grass, but if this is the reason, I'll be much happier about it.
I can't imagine how much this costs to do... they are having to dig a 1' by 3' hole severl feed deep every 30-40 ft, and it's all being done by hand with manual tools (except the tunneling between the holes). How many millions of people is Verizon planning to roll this out to eventually?
-R
Oooh so let me get this right... *caugh*
You think that basically limiting telecom to the 3 'former' monopoly industries will lead to greater competition?! That they won't be able to (or want to) re-exert [actually protect/increase] their market power? That CLECs *reduce* competition [They WILL be going out of biddiness because of this...]?
Dude, can I live in your reality? ;)
The existing infrastructure represents a monumental barrier to entry! Believe it or not- it's only because of the accumulated rents that the ILEC can do this!
Wanna guess what the weighted mean rate of return for ILECs is? Just under 18%!! That includes the rediculous x-efficiency and stupidity due to R&D-through-government-regulation. [Go take a look at the FCC paper regarding reducing porting time windows if you don't get it ;) Seriously! Ouch!]
Being an ILEC sure as hell isn't historically that 'risky,' and I don't know if it's possible to be capital-intensive enough to get like that kinda returns.
*I've got major problems with this 'we need to give them their monopoly back so they can affoard fiber' arguement..., not the least of which is that at 18%, if it's not non-competative, means capital should be rushing into it as is ;) But I've ranted enough I think. *whistles*
Man I'm so waiting to get the "I'm sorry you need a Verizon telephone line to order FIOS" line when I call to order :/
BTW I hope you understand that UNE's being 'at a loss' really doesn't mean what you think it means.
Does it connect like regular Cable modem with a nic? This looks very, very cool, however I would need to be able to use it under Linux. My cable modem ISP is Brighthouse and they do not block any ports and it works with any OS that supports a nic. I pay $45 a month now for 2Mbs down and 512Kbs up. I would swith to this service in a heart beat if it interfaces to my coputer with a regualr ole nic.
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the article said FTTP, but the FAQ on the website list it as DSL and speeds depend on distance to the central office ( a problem you DON'T have with fiber )... this will have big problems where I live (houston) as ADSL fell through because of old equipment (1.5meg promised and 300kbps delivered)
If they're offering Verizon Online over this new FTTP service, then they're using their existing ATM backbone to distribute the packets, which is how they get DSL out to all the central offices today.
This means that the new FTTP service will likely be offered via ISP's who buy access to that network wholesale, and then connect their own networks to it. I currently use DSL service from Acecape, which is delivered via Verizon DSL, but it's not Verizon Online's network. It's Acecape's network, and it's VERY geek friendly. Static IP address, no blocked ports, and permission to run servers. I'm looking forward to the day when Acecape tells me that I can upgrade to multi-megabit service over fiber!
For those of you who are dreaming of running a hosting center in your homes, though, please keep in mind that there's much more involved than simply having a lot of bandwidth. Unless you're running stuff that's really not all that critical, you need multiple sources of good bandwidth, and BGP on your routers to keep that redundancy going over one set of IP addresses. You need very large UPS's, and diesel or gas generators to keep the power on when the utility fails. You need lots of air conditioning and humidity control. And of course you need tech support staff.
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Image 100s of boxes on this service getting compromised and used in DDoS attacks... you think its bad now with 256-512kbit/s upstream, imagine 2Mbit/s upstream. Verizon needs to be on the lookout, watching for large spikes in upstream bandwidth, actively looking for DDoS activity.
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If you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention.
I have had the service for about three weeks and it is very very fast. I conistantly get the 15Mbit down when doing speed test and downloading from major sites like Microsoft.
The bad news is that they do block all inbound ports that matter (21,23,25,80, etc) so hosting a real server is impossible. However, I do run a webserver on port 8080 and that works great... but many people can't get to it because not all firewalls let 8080 outbound work. I called support and complained about it and was pretty much told it was never going to be unblocked. That sucks because they never told me that when I order the service.
As a consumer class service it rocks... for a server... don't even bother.
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hit www.flower-mound.com also a DFW Metor city.. they plan to have FIOS installs finished in 6 months.. not to mention grapevine is in full swing with their installation. So whatever idiot still claims that it's just a pipe dream needs to lay off the pipe.
If you call, please make sure to ask if you can host a personal server on it. If they get enough questions, maybe they'll change the TOS.
The roots of education are bitter, but the fruit is sweet.
--Aristotle
You're telling me you expect fiber to get installed on NOVEMBER 2nd?
surely you jest.
I don't imagine that much will get done here on election day.
Let me start with the installation. I ordered the 15/2 MB package. The installation went pretty smooth. The techs were knowledgeable and polite. As the pictures show in previous comment they mount a box on the side of the house by the existing phone box. The box is also configured for a COAX connection into the premises. I have heard rumors that they already have a deal worked out with one of the dish companies. The only issue I had with the install was that the installation techs could not go into the attic of my house. (Already had several lawsuits due to techs falling through ceilings.) So they were going to run a CAT5E cable around the side and drill a hole through the side. I ended up running the CAT5 cable myself. They also need to install a UPS within 50' of the box mounted outside that does the fiber to copper conversion. They will also sell you a D-Link 624 Wireless access point/router or furnish another D-Link router for free. I had major trouble with it dropping the PPPoE (hate PPPoE) connection. I messed with it for 2 weeks and bought a Linksys. After I changed the default MTU the Linksys has been flawless. The change over for the phones was done onsite by the installation techs and took all of 10 seconds.
Service - great so far. Download tests from a Verizon website run around 15 MB down and just under 1.8 MB up. Tests from websites to check the speed of your line report anywhere from 1.5 down to 4.5 down. For most viewing you will not notice any difference, although I have noticed traceroutes seem faster. I have also found that most websites limit download speeds to 500K. I was able to download the Fedora Core 3 Test 3 from a university the other night at just under 7.5 MB second. As for what ports are being blocked, I have my own mailserver setup and it is working. I can ssh back to my servers with no problems. HTTP seems to be blocked though, but I have not been able to confirm this with Verizon. Conclusion - So far I have been very satisfied with the service. It is as fast as they advertised and in 6 weeks has not gone down. The only drawbacks I have so far are the PPPoE connection, D-Link router, and having to run my own CAT5 cable.
That big "B" in "MB" means Bytes. This isn't a base-2 vs base-10 nit-pick -- there is almost an order of magnitude difference between the two, Mb and MB!
from http://www.rednova.com/news/display/?id=96235:
Verizon to Expand Fiber-Optic Network
Oct. 22--Verizon Communications Inc. is expanding its fiber-optic network -- capable of delivering telephone and super-fast Internet access and eventually television service -- to parts of six more states, including some communities in Bucks and Chester Counties.
The expansion is part of Verizon's nationwide plan to overhaul its old copper-wire systems and gain new customers and sources of revenue.
Verizon will add 3,000 to 5,000 jobs as it brings fiber-optic cable to homes and businesses in parts of Delaware, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania and Virginia. It already has fiber networks in parts of California, Texas and Florida, and is expanding in those states, too.
"This is just the beginning," Verizon retail markets president Bob Ingalls said in a conference call yesterday. "Next year, we plan to announce video services on this platform."
Verizon did not say where the jobs would be created. But it said the fiber network was coming to Doylestown, Yardley and Newtown in Bucks County, as well as Chester Springs, Downingtown and Exton in Chester County.
Upper Makefield Township in Bucks County said Verizon was building a fiber network there as well, although the company would not confirm that.
Verizon said its fiber expansion would be focused on the suburbs for now.
Doylestown Township Manager Stephanie Mason said Verizon started installing fiber lines there a few months ago and planned on selling new services to Doylestown residents and businesses early next year.
"Verizon said we were one of the pilot areas," Mason said. "The end result for residents is going to be exciting -- they'll be offering new services."
For instance, Verizon said its new fiber system would allow customers to add or drop lines more quickly.
"If you need to add capacity because your broadband-hungry son or daughter is home from college, we can do that quickly," Verizon network services group president Paul Lacouture said.
The fiber network will allow for Internet access speeds that are much faster than Verizon's digital subscriber line service, the company says.
The company expects to complete its "fiber-to-the-premises" network in about five years, which will allow it to phase out its DSL service.
In areas in which the fiber network has already been built, the monthly charge for five-megabits-per-second Internet service -- faster than the top speeds offered by most cable-modem services -- starts at $34.95.
Verizon has said it would spend $2.5 billion by the end of next year on the new fiber system.
Verizon and other local-phone companies are working to revamp their businesses so they can compete more broadly with cable operators such as Comcast Corp., which are expanding into telephone service over their cable lines. Earlier this year, SBC Communications Inc. said it would invest $6 billion on a video-capable system over the next five years.
The ability of Verizon's fiber system to carry video service has prompted Upper Makefield Township to craft an agreement that would allow it to collect franchise fees from Verizon when the company starts offering television services. The township receives about $90,000 annually in franchise fees from Comcast.
"We negotiated for two months," said Township Manager Rich Gestrich. "We're very concerned that they weren't back-dooring us on that issue."
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VZ has gone to a lot of effort lobbying Congress, the FCC and state PUC's to link the deployment of their news fiber networks in such a manner to severely restrict access by their CLEC competitors.
Some ISP's using VADI controlled acess may have (overpriced) wholesale services offered to them, but the competition is only token. What's really telling is that their will be no true UNE based access allowed for really dangerous competitors: the CLEC's and DLEC's, who VZ really wants to put out of business.
What would Groucho do?
I live in Minnesota, and Qwest is our LEC here. There's no way they'll roll that out, and even if they try, they will probably fail. By far probably the worst phone company I've ever worked with.
Cable companies here are more likely to run it than Qwest is, because they don't need to go through all of the permits and crap to lay things along side pre-existing cable. They were granted right-of-way back in the early 80's for the push to get cable to everyone's home, and they still have it. Time Warner Telecom uses Time Warner Cable's right-of-way when laying new fiber. The result is fiber a few weeks from when you order it rather than a few months.
Some communities here are serviced by sprint, and sprint ran fiber to a ton of new homes about 4 years ago in northern Brooklyn Park. As far as I know, they aren't using it yet. If you live in that area, go take the cover off the box at the end of your driveway and see if there's some in there.
But yeah, Qwest sucks. I hope they go bankrupt. They've screwed me way too many times, both for residential service, and for big fat commercial pipes.
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If they *DONT* block outbound port 25, then once this catches on it will be yet another shithole of unsecured 0wn3d windows boxes spewing spam. Lets hope that they *DO* block port 25, by default.
I could support them allowing a selective unblocking, on request with a static IP or IP block, and subject to immediate reblocking without notice if evidence of spew comes to light.
I'm too far from the CO, so my ADSL (384/384...no that's not a typo, SBC is selling me 384/128, but the modem and speed tests say otherwise) is painfully slow (relatively). Actually, for some reason my upload is about 10kbps faster than my download. I don't know why it's that way, but it pisses me off because it doesn't help me very much.
I wish I had fiber...
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...it's Window$ only.
End of story.
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America is not too big. America trashed their
national federally subsidized phone company
(Ma Bell) in favor of a bunch of regional
(and mostly crappy) phone companies. If Ma
Bell were still in existence, the Feds could
have easily required broadband access to every
home. We also trashed our airline industry
all in the name of competition -- too bad that
those really cheap airline tickets are being
subsidized by the American taxpayer in the form
of airline bankruptcy bailouts and fuel subsidies.
$49.95 for 15MB/2MB, and $199.95 for 30MB/5MB
Why pay 4x as much for around 2x as much bandwidth? Shouldn't buying in bulk actually give you a lower price?
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WHO ATE MY BREAKFAST PANTS?
Well besides having a number that doesnt qualify... I read the FAQ...
Can I use my DSL Modem, Router, or Cable Modem with my Verizon Fios Internet Service?
No, at this time you need to use a broadband router specifically provided by Verizon that has been approved to work specifically with Verizon Fios Internet Service. Your router also contains special diagnostic software that can help us troubleshoot and correct problems should you experience trouble with your Internet connection.
sooo they do what, Deny you service if they see another router in the house or cut your service if you try to use your own? Sorry, but I want to own my own equiptment, not use theirs!
Here in Japan Yahoo recently announced 1 GIG connections for as little as $40 a month. It's 1 GIG to your building and then your building shares the 1 GIG connection.
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http://bbpromo.yahoo.co.jp/promotion/hikari/ord
http://newscenter.verizon.com/proactive/newsroom/r elease.vtml?id=87633
or http://newscenter.verizon.com/kit/fiber/
from oct
FALLS CHURCH, Va. - Fast as light, Verizon is moving to roll out advanced fiber-based broadband technology to customers in six more states.
At a news conference here today, the company announced new fiber-to-the-premises (FTTP) deployment to homes and businesses in Virginia as well as in parts of Delaware, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York and Pennsylvania -- bringing to nine the total number of states where work is under way. The company had previously announced FTTP deployment in California, Florida and Texas as part its plan to pass some 1 million homes and businesses with the new technology this year. Verizon plans to pass some 2 million additional homes and businesses with the new technology next year.
Verizon will hire between 3,000 and 5,000 new employees by the end of 2005 to help build the network.
"Verizon fiber all the way to the homes and businesses of our customers means they will have the highest-speed computer connections available from anyone," said Paul Lacouture, president of Verizon's Network Services Group. "No other company is offering this cutting-edge data service, and the reliability of fiber also means unprecedented dependability as well."
Verizon has introduced new data services - offered on the FiOS platform - that already are or soon will be available in parts of the three states where Verizon began installing FTTP earlier this year. Verizon also expects to begin marketing FiOS services in Falls Church and some other communities over the next several months. The company expects to market video services on the new FTTP network next year.
"FiOS has been an extraordinary hit with our earliest customers in Texas and elsewhere," said Bob Ingalls, Verizon Retail Markets president. "People are literally lining up to get what they know is a fantastic service at an excellent price."
Verizon's FiOS broadband Internet access services offer download speeds of up to 5 Mbps (megabits per second), 15 Mbps and 30 Mbps, with upstream speeds of up to 2 Mbps for the first two products and 5 Mbps for the third. The 5 Mbps service sells for $34.95 per month, when purchased with a package of Verizon services, and $39.95 when purchased separately. [For more information on the technology and pricing, see the FTTP and FiOS fact sheets in the Verizon press kit at http://newscenter.verizon.com/kit/fiber/.]
The new FTTP technology is capable of carrying a wide array of existing and new services, including high-speed broadband products that are far superior and more cost-effective than most services offered today, as well as video applications in the future. FTTP technology uses a fiber-optic cable to replace the existing copper-wire link that now connects homes and businesses to Verizon's nationwide network.
Fiber offers tremendous advantages to network operators, in addition to new and superior services for customers. For example, fiber offers reliable service in periods of wet weather that can affect copper. Less day-to-day maintenance is required, and repairs are quicker when problems do occur. Verizon's fiber engineering eliminates electronics between the customer and the network so that problems of providing repairs and power for equipment in the field are reduced.
In addition, Verizon has invested in designing some 40 new operations support systems to handle everything from electronic processing of customer FiOS orders to remotely diagnosing and correcting problems - often before a customer experiences a problem.
"We know small-to-medium-sized businesses and customers at home are ready to move to the next generation of high-speed data communications," said Ingalls. "So our aggressive move to become the first major telecom company to deploy fiber all the way to customers means we'll be able to offer services and applications that aren't yet even on the drawing board."
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It's pretty ridiculous that people on Slashdot, of all places, don't understand the difference between megabits and megabytes.
We don't even have adsl in north cyprus.
I think I gonna take out my work for bandwidth T-shirt.
The offer is for 15 megabits down rather than 15 megabytes.
And what's the point of having all of that download bandwidth? Unless you're downloading shit from Verizon's local servers, you're still going to be limited by the machines between you and that web server. I've never seen download speeds above 600KB/s, and most average less than 100KB/s.
-chrisBy my reply would still be, why the hell sell me (or advertise) an unlimited 24/7 connection, when it isnt one and they have no intention of providing it.
With dialup (yes i live in the dark-ages here in australia WA- also known as 'wait awhile') you get Unlimited connections that have a 4 hour timeout. I guess you dont have to worry much about data limits when you can only move 48kbps for 4 hours.
With ADSL you get unlimited time (well it is part of the technology after all) but they sting new users with a 200MB *mega-fscking-byte* limit on downloads.
Ok i never really believed that soapies wonder wash would get my clothes whiter than the rest, but if you say its unlimited then it had better bloody well be.
I want my internet pipe to have 10% more love in it than the nearest compeditor.
Verizon has had that page up for at least a month or so. People have been discussing it on dslreports.com regularly in several threads and there are even a couple sites that list sightings of installation... like http://fios.3v3bizich.com/
I've also posted a lot of pictures of the verizon guys installing fiber for FIOS all over Topanga Canyon, CA where I live. Check out my site if anyone is interested...
http://riskinit.com/
Verizon has been running their fiber in my neighborhood for the last 2 weeks with service going live Q1 2005. I'm in NW Philadelphia suburbs.
In this process, they have managed to 1. cut the entire neighborhood's phone lines 2. lose one of their tools under my driveway 3. cut everyone's comcast tv/cable modem lines.
I recently got fiber and it was sheer nerd ecstasy to meet the 2 young technician dudes who came to install the fiber. (I recently got it from TEPCO, the Tokyo municipal power company). Wh00t!
Be sure to get real close and look over the older guy's shoulder when he nonchalantly whips out his *fiber to fiber microtome and splicer* or whatever that little mechanism is called in the hard case he'll be looking a level place for.
It is amazing how totally thin the fiber itself is (on the order of a hair). It is brittle apparently because you can't bend it more than 90 degrees within like 4 or 5 inches or so. But it apparently will go right into your skin if you don't watch out. Has happened often he says, I look at him in a new light. This is not some shmuck in workpants, he's a hero!
Look inside the box, you will likely note that the guts only take up like a third of it, the rest of the volume is totally empty, just space for a few coils of fiber to sit safely.
Anyway I have 100 megabit but have not successfully maxed it yet. They say I ought to be able to get theoretically up to 50 mbps and maybe practically half that again, but it also depends on your client and server. You need cpu and memory to handle enough connections to max it out, or maybe just one mother of a server somewhere. I have never gotten above 5 mbps, but have high hopes for the future. Please mention if you know a site that can do something in that realm.
I spoke with a set of Verizon linesmen running the fiber in Mont. Co. MD in the middle of the summer - they said that all of MoCo should be ready by 1Q05.
Here everyone.......feel free to stare at your county for the next few years..... http://fios.3v3bizich.com/
Verizon is obviously not running their qualification server on this service... it's thoroughly slashdotted...
I currently have 768/128 (really 620/80) for $45/mo. I'm moving into Verizon/Adelphis Territory, and my options are:
768/256 for $29.95/mo (Verizon)
1536/256 for $49.95/mo (Verizon)
3000/300 for $54.95/mo (Adelphia)
Now, this is supposedly in a town that was going to have 10bT lines in every home ten years ago, and pipms itself as an "electronic village". Yes, I'm taking Blacksburg, VA, home of the Hokies and a 12.25TF computer.
I just got the Adelphia hooked up at my house (29.95 for 6 months intro) and it's an awful lot like digital heroine. I'm not really sure I'm going to be able to take a 4:1 throttle back when my 6 month trial is up. I tell you, they're just like drug dealers.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
When will companies learn that phone numbers are no longer sure-fire ways to qualify new customers?
Many people don't have land lines and use mobile phones instead. Still others use VoIP services like Vonage, where they can have any phone number they like regardless of physical location.
I'm both of the above...a mobile phone via my employer, and VoIP. Asking me for my "phone number" as a way to pinpoint the location of my residence is meaningless.
With all the geeks calling from a simple post on Slashdot...
Verizon now knows how many different states will want FTTP :D
The page linked to asks for your land-line telephone number.
I live in DC and the woman I just spoke to told me its not in DC yet. I was like WTF slashdot says it is. Bleh anyone had any luck in DC yet?
Notice the article quotes 30MB and 2MB when the Verizon site promises 30Mb and 2Mb. How misleading.
I am building a house in a new community in Westfield, IN (Indianapolis basically) and confirmed I could get it installed asap if my house was built. This is probably due to a new community with all teh wiring brand new, including the CO in the back yard.
What the hell is wrong with the moderators?
The fiber is there because the public (i.e., the government) enabled it.
Who the hell cares if the government enabled it, Verizon is spending the millions of dollars and putting in the time to make this possible. They should have monopoly rights on their investment and hard work. The government also "enables" stadiums to be built, large office buildings to be built, etc. The government doesn't then force the owners of Madison Square Garden to rent it out at a government-regulated rate. The government doesn't force the owners of the Empire State Building to lease out office space at a government-regulated rate.
The owners of these buildings (and other such properties or services) rent them out because it is in their financial interest to do so. The rate at which they are rented out is set by the fair market value. If it is in Verizon's interest to lease out their fiber lines then they will do so and the fair market value will determine the rate. We don't need the government stepping in to tell Verizon that XYZ is the rate that they can lease their fiber at and there's nothing they can do about it.
What we need is less regulation, not more of it.
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Verizon is laying the fiber along other people's property. It has the right to do this by virtue of government action: easements (rights to use someone else's land in a particular way) granted by way of or under threat of eminent domain (government-imposed surrender of property rights). Verizon (or Bell, long ago) used a special relationship with the government to get what it has, and so does not have the right to use it in an unregulated fashion.
Removing controls from large companies while letting them keep their special government-granted advantages does not create a free market. Free-market advocates who fail to understand this create broken economic systems when they succeed and give us all a bad name even if they don't. Please don't be one of them.
There is a fiber line that runs right across my parent's driveway. It was put in about a year ago but I'm not sure who owns it. SBC is their phone company and they say they can't get DSL because there is a secondary loop over their segment with effectively doubles the distance to the CO. They have never been able to get cable where they are.
Does anybody know how to determine who owns this fiber?
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I prefer MiB (mebibyte) to denote 2**20 bytes. Its easier to spot the difference between MiB and MB.
See http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html for details.
I guess you guys don't know how POTS lines work. The CO's (Central Office) has racks and racks of batteries that power the Switches as well as the POTS lines. If you have a non-digital phone and plug it into a phone jack it will work because It gets it's power from the CO. Also a CO should have a diesel generator backup, which usually have something like 3000+ gallon tanks that supply the fuel. So if your phone goes out then your phone service SUX and they aren't doing their job. On the note of T1's. Your T1 will die if your CPE loses power and doesn't have a UPS..duhhh...also T1's traverse more than just the CO premisis'. They go to SLC's, Huts, etc...if the SLC doesn't have power your T1 will die. Before you go saying that your T1 died therefore phone service died, you need to check your facts...
I've seen a number of posts about how Japan has much faster connections for much lower rates. Is it just the fact that everything is closer together there than in the US that makes this possible?
Or are there other technologies in place that allow it?
When the axe came to the forest, the trees said, "Look out - the handle was once one of us."
Are you talking about AA County in Maryland?
I just got the Adelphia hooked up at my house (29.95 for 6 months intro) and it's an awful lot like digital heroine. I'm not really sure I'm going to be able to take a 4:1 throttle back when my 6 month trial is up. I tell you, they're just like drug dealers.
Boy, until I read your last sentence, I thought you were talking about fembots.
Oh, HEROIN!
Wolde you bothe eate your cake, and have your cake?
My understanding, based solely on reading the forums at dslreports.com is that Verizon wants monopoly rights to the fibre they are laying. As in no second source ISP like Covad or Earthlink would be able to lease bandwidth or connectivity on the fibre lines at (low) state-set rates, like they are able to today on the copper lines.
Ummm... the rules about whether or not a local exchange carrier has to "unbundle" network elements -- i.e. resell them to competitors -- are set by the Federal Communications Commission, not by state public utility commissions or state legislatures.
The FCC ruled on Oct. 22 that fiber to the home (FTTH) and fiber to the curb (FTTC) were exempt from the unbundling requirements.
Verizon had previously announced plans to have FTTH available to 1 million subscribers by 12/31/2004, and to an additional 2 million by 12/31/2005. The day before the FCC's action, they announced availability of FTTH in parts of 6 northeast and mid-Atlantic states -- see the end of the announcement for the list of counties where it will be available.
Am I the only one noticing that the article is not accurate? The Verizon webpage says they're offering mbps transfer rates. Megabits per second. NOT MegaBytes per second.
So instead of $39.95 for 5MB/2MB what you will really get is 5Mbps/2Mbps which comes down to around 640 Kilobytes per second and an upstream of 256 Kilobytes per second.
Common mistake. Make sure you do not capitalize the 'b' letter when talking about network bandwidth.
I have been trying to get a web server up on Verizon FIOS in Keller, TX and it looks like port 80 is blocked. That is bad news, if they are playing with the ports what else are they doing?
:(
It looks like all other ports are open even https, so I guess that only port 80 is viewed as a problem, but who knows how long until VoIP or some other "problem" service is blocked.
I have not called to see if it can be unblocked.
One Source a local cable company has all ports open. Looks like I may switch back.