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Interview with MPAA Chief Dan Glickman

farmerbuzz writes "USAToday has an interview with Dan Glickman (Jack Valenti's replacement as the CEO of the MPAA) where he announces that the MPAA will begin suing movie downloaders. An interesting point brought up in the interview: 'At the time the RIAA announced its lawsuits, it said music sales had fallen 25% over a three-year period. The MPAA is in a much different situation. Box office receipts aren't down at all -- 2003's figures were $9.5 billion, the second biggest in history.'"

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  1. Fuzzy math by DeepFried · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I find it odd that people cite the MPAA figures for lost revenue. These figures assume that all of this media would have been purchased had they not been "stolen." IANAAccountant but I think that their figures could be reduced by a factor of a hundred to get closer to the actual losses.

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    1. Re:Fuzzy math by superpulpsicle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The entire MPAA, RIAA and every other one of these lawsuit SCO-wannabe organizations have no idea what they are up against.

      I have bought TONS of songs via iTunes, and I can tell you that I am ashamed to have spent $16 in the past per CD with 2 good songs because that's all they would market to me.

      There are so many artists out there with great music, and probably great indie films too. You'll never get exposure to these great media as long as the record companies and MPAA have their way.

    2. Re:Fuzzy math by Twanfox · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I love that belief, that every download or copy made without paying for it WOULD HAVE BEEN a sale. Believe me, there are movies that I've seen that, while yes I liked, I would not spend what they asked for it. I would not go out of my way to acquire the movie. In all honesty, if I lived without seeing the movie again, I could probably do so very happily.

      For some people, there is a certain price that they're willing to pay for something. In the case of someone who won't buy it, that price just happens to be $0.

      Exceptions to this statement are those people that would have bought it, but instead saw it for free (pirated) and in their cost comparison, found free was more amiable to anything else.

      This is not meant as validation for pirating, merely debunking this "lost revenue" crap.

    3. Re:Fuzzy math by bludstone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Has anyone really ever asked these people "Do you really think that all the Movies/Songs that are lost sales? I mean, isnt that a bit presumptuous? Some people bootleg dozens of albums they couldnt afford to begin with. How can you justify calling these lost sales, when the people didnt have the money, and were not going to pay for them in the first place?"

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    4. Re:Fuzzy math by mikecito · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Look - it's simple. Pay 24.99/month at BlockBuster, as many free rentals as you want. Done. My wife and I pay for the service, and I haven't even felt the urge to download anything when it's free a block away in dvd-quality.

      Of course, you still have the problem of movies not out on dvd. In that case, go to a matinee if you can't wait the 6 months. $4 later you've had a better experience anyway.

      My two cents.

    5. Re:Fuzzy math by scaaven · · Score: 2, Informative

      well it's not free, but that and NetFlix are great alternatives to dl'ing massive files with questionable quality.

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    6. Re:Fuzzy math by ePhil_One · · Score: 4, Interesting
      While I agree with your basic point, look at it from the other side; Joe Dirt is in posession of their "property" which they value at full price. If Joe wasn't willing to pay the $$$, he shouldn't have the benefit of listening/watching the content. If Joe stole a Ferarri he couldn't pay for, you wouldn't be pointing out that wouldn't have been able to $250,000, or that the value of the steel, aluminium, and paint is only $2,000.

      Why should Joe have the privledge of enjoying music/movies/anything that he can't pay for? This isn't Food, Shelter, or Medicine here, Joe will get along just fine without access to the Bubba Bandits latest album (there's even this "free" service called the radio and TV).

      The RIAA bugs me because they use price fixing to inflate the price of their goods, and haven't figured out the sliding price models that serve the software and movie industry pretty well. While these successful and growing inustries price their new material highest, slowly dropping prices over time, the music industry prices new material lowest, then raises prices. But I still don't use that as justification for stealing music.

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    7. Re:Fuzzy math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It doesn't matter. The cost of consuming that media is set by the owners. By consuming it, whether you would have paid for it or not, is a lost sale since you did not pay the price they set for it. Here's a simple solution: first everyone realize that you have no right to be entertained. second, stop entertaining yourself with stuff you aren't willing to pay for.

      Here's two scenarios:

      1) people dl stuff off the web, people stop buying it, execs scratch their heads and say, "it's not our fault! It's the pirates fault! Legislate!!"

      2) people don't dl stuff off the web, people stop buying it, execs scratch their heads and say, "uhh.. it's pira...uh, no.... hmmm....crud."

      Jesus christ people, stop being consumer sheep and stop downloading stuff it isn't worth paying for. THAT is how you will drive these people out of business. Downloading stuff HELPS THEM by giving them congressional leverage.

    8. Re:Fuzzy math by bludstone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because copyright infringement isnt stealing. Its copying.

      Secondly, noone is being denied any money, whatsoever. Noone put money into this distribution, and noone is making money from it. If someone wanted the cd, and could afford it, they would buy it. An mp3 is not a cd. A cd is a cd. Sorry.

      Also, your logic, and the RIAA's is standing in the way of the greatest social and creative revolution in history. Creative works are built atop old creative works. (ask disney)

      In this country, there are kinds of brilliant music that are ILLEGAL and people get sued for. (DJ Dangermouse's Grey album)

      That alone is extremely disturbing. Music should not be illegal.

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    9. Re:Fuzzy math by tsg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If Joe stole a Ferarri

      Classic Fallacy: copyrighted content is not a rivalrous resource. Comparing it to rivalrous resources is a fundamental flaw and completely invalidates the argument.

      Why should Joe have the privledge of enjoying music/movies/anything that he can't pay for?

      Because it doesn't cost them anything for him to do so.

      Copyright was invented for the sole purpose of encouraging people to share their creative works with others. The ability to profit from those works is the incentive, not the goal, and it was never designed to be perfect control.

      Ideally, the producers of copyrighted works need only be paid just enough to make the producing worthwhile. Guess what, they're still producing. Despite the "rampant piracy", Hollywood is still making movies, authors are still writing, musicians are still composing. They are evidently making enough money to make it worthwhile. As long as they are, who gives a shit if another million copies go unpaid for? It doesn't cost them a dime.

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    10. Re:Fuzzy math by gosand · · Score: 2, Interesting
      For some people, there is a certain price that they're willing to pay for something. In the case of someone who won't buy it, that price just happens to be $0.

      And if you go see a movie in a theater, all you get is that one viewing. If you have a copy of it, you can watch it when you want, as many times as you want. Yet people are still willing to fork over around $10 apiece to just SEE the movie.

      If me and my wife to go a movie, it costs us $20. Why wouldn't I just wait for it to come out on DVD and BUY it for about the same price? Now you can argue that there is some "theater experience", but for me that experience is only enjoyable under the rarest of circumstances. We only have a 27" TV at home, and it is fine for movies. I can't imagine what someone with a 50" TV and full surround system would get out of the "theater" experience. Movies in theaters are big - the picture quality sucks. The sound is great, but you also have all kinds of ancillary sounds that detract from it. Gotta pee? You miss out. Need something else to eat? You miss out. Didn't hear what was said? You miss out.

      The movie studios should be thankful that people still go to the damn theaters at all. You go see a movie that sucks, can you get your money back? Hell no. Studios can keep putting out crap, spend millions on promoting them, and rake the cash. They make so much money on movie-related crap it is sickening. The "marketing tie-ins" have turned the movie industry into the movie business. And it shows. You'll get the occasional gem, but for the most part - it is crap. I choose not to support the crap, and only watch what I think is worth seeing. For some reason, the rest of America seems to be mindless drones when it comes to movies. Must see [insert whatever is opening this weekend]. I know people who go see movies almost every weekend, regardless of what is playing. I hope one day that the United States of Consumerism wakes up.

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    11. Re:Fuzzy math by Phisbut · · Score: 3, Interesting
      On the question about the MPAA not losing as much money as the RIAA, he replies : Someone sneaks into a theater with a camcorder, films a movie, puts it online for the world to see for free

      True, but the major difference between RIAA piracy and MPAA piracy is quality...

      RIAA : Someone buys a CD, rips it to mp3 (or whatever format), shares it, somebody downloads it and can listen to it with virtually no loss in quality.

      MPAA : Somebody goes to a movie theater, he brings a camcorder, films the screen, shares the result. Someone downloads the movie, shitty resolution (even 800x600 doesn't compare to today's hyper-huge-screen theaters), crappy sound.

      People who know they'll enjoy the movie will still go to the theater or buy the DVD because shared copies lose a lot of quality compared to the theater version (much smaller resolution and crappy sound), and also some quality when ripped from the DVD version (file decryption/compression usually affects the quality of the colors).

      People who know they'll enjoy the music can still download it and have a 'good-enough' copy and most people won't know the difference.

      When people figure out a way to pirate theater movies with high-quality, then it will become a major issue in MPAA's income. For now, they're just trying to make money off people who downloads their movies and who wouldn't have gone to the theater anyway.

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    12. Re:Fuzzy math by Chemical · · Score: 2, Informative

      Check out GreenCine. $19.99 a month, and they carry mainstream, indie, anime, and porn! Everything you need, nothing you don't.

    13. Re:Fuzzy math by Mojojojo+Monkey+Inc. · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You must have a different definition of the word "free" than the rest of the English-speaking world. You are paying ($24.99/(number of rentals)) for each movie you watch. If you watch a movie every Friday & Saturday night, you're still paying around $3 per rental, which is pretty much what it would cost you if you got one movie at a time at most places.

      Now if you don't go out often, or have kids or a large extended family to share the cost with then it certainly could be economical for you. However, I don't even know if I could find 8 new movies each month that were worth my time to watch... let alone signing up for a subscription service and watching over 10 movies a month to make the "obligation" worth it.

      So, useful for some, but probably not economical for most people.

    14. Re:Fuzzy math by mindstrm · · Score: 3, Informative

      THe distinction you are making is only a temporary one, and they used to say the same thing about music.

      Most DVD rips are now full quality. Yes, some people transcode in order to fit the movie on a DVDR... others will simply use two DVDr's. Now, with dual-layer DVDr, this is not necessary either.

      Further, some poeple just leave them on hard disk, and play from there.

      Good DVD rips are identical to the original DVD. Good transcoded DVD rips are very close to the original DVD (just as good mp3 rips are very close to the original cd)

      Soon, it won't matter.

    15. Re:Fuzzy math by winwar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Now you can argue that there is some "theater experience", but for me that experience is only enjoyable under the rarest of circumstances. We only have a 27" TV at home, and it is fine for movies."

      Well, I suspect I go to more movies than you and to ME there is a massive difference between a movie on a 27inch screen and a theater screen. The theater experience is better in many ways than watching the film at home-assuming that it takes advantage of the large screen and to a lesser extent the sound and crowd (yes, I said audience). Look, I have been to movies where the various sounds from the audience distracted me, but often the audience HELPS the experience. Not always. Watching at home is a different experience. Of course, if you are not interested in movies that have extensive sound effects or expansive scenery, then it probably WON'T matter where you see the movie....

      "I know people who go see movies almost every weekend, regardless of what is playing. I hope one day that the United States of Consumerism wakes up."

      Granted, I am more selective when I have to pay more money, but I go to be entertained-if I don't think the movie will be entertaining (or worth the price of a couple of rentals). I don't really want to think during a movie-I do that in my job and research and rest of my life. Movies also tend to be a social event for younger people-the movie isn't the most important thing anyway.

      And putting out crap is NOT NEW. It has ALWAYS happened since the beginning of movies.

    16. Re:Fuzzy math by theLOUDroom · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While I agree with your basic point, look at it from the other side; Joe Dirt is in posession of their "property" which they value at full price.

      Bzzzt! WRONG

      This isn't about property. This is about copyright.

      Copyright is this weird legal construction that regulates people are allowed to COPY even in private, behind closed doors.

      By very definition there isn't any deprivation of property going on here as that actually WOULDN'T be copyright infingement, since no copies would need to be made.

      Why should Joe have the privledge of enjoying music/movies/anything that he can't pay for?

      Why should Joe not be able to make a copy of the contents of a piece of paper his friend hands him?
      The whole concept of copyright is a arbitrary construction whose purpose was originally to inspire the creation of new works.
      It's has gone completely beyond that.

      Joe will get along just fine without access to the Bubba Bandits latest album

      This is always the example I hear people using, some trivial piece of pop. What about 100 years of or fucking national history and knowedge?
      There's more going on than just Britney's latest album.
      How about something very political from someone long dead....
      How about an eighty year old mathematics paper?

      While you may consider listening to or watching some poppy piece of entertainment a "privilege", how about fundamental knowedge about the world around you?


      (there's even this "free" service called the radio and TV).

      Which typically airs total shit. And is run by companies who don't have the public's best interest in mind. And.... about a zillion more problems with this cop out. It the only "content" poor people should have access to the shit that's on the TV and radio?

      While these successful and growing inustries price their new material highest, slowly dropping prices over time, the music industry prices new material lowest, then raises prices.

      See the thing is their "booty" (it really shouldn't be called a product since they typically have nothing to do with it's creation and practically steal it) has a much longer shelf life. There will be a demand for copies of Abbey Road for quite some time whereas the latest crappy action flic is going to get erased from the public consiousness by the next action flic with slightly better special effects.

      But I still don't use that as justification for stealing music.

      Yes, so you don't shoplift.
      Do you download music, or do you not know what stealing is?

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    17. Re:Fuzzy math by ePhil_One · · Score: 2, Interesting
      some trivial piece of pop

      And exactly how do you know the "Bubba Bandits" latest album isn't the next Bethoven's 9th? If they created a great work of art, are they less entitled to earn money from their work? Is a professor who writes a book on Rome not entitled to earn a wage from his efforts? I'm not arguing for the current systems non-expiring copyrights, but against the idea that illegal copying of copyrighted works is OK because "I wasn't going to buy it".

      do you not know what stealing is?

      Do you not understand the concept of intellectual property? Have you never heard the expression "Stealing their ideas"? Do you have trouble with the concept of negative numbers? Perhaps even the number 0? These are things that exist in peoples heads that lack a physical counterpart, yet are key to the functioning of a modern world.

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    18. Re:Fuzzy math by ePhil_One · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The studio made huge bucks off of it decades ago. Why is the MPAA still entitled to constantly more money?

      For the record, the MPAA doesn't make money off it. The MPAA get paid by the studios to act in the general interests of the movie industry, studios contribute based on some formula that takes their size into account.

      The studio that made the movie makes the money off the re-release, and depending on how the contracts were written, the actors heirs would get their cut if need be. But this is a good example. The studio likely remastered the movie for the DVD release, tracking down several copies and and putting effort into making the disc a clean copy. If they didn't have the copyright protection, why would they go through all that effort? Your kids would never see Casablanca except as a grainy TV movie with bad sound and comercial breaks. Will the studio make millions on this DVD? Doubtful, while there is a small set of buffs that will plunk down $25 for a classic like that, will it be enough to offset the quarter million spent on the remastering effort, after retail, distribution, manufacturing, etc. costs are deducted? Maybe, Maybe not. Really, what your alternative? A DVD rip of a TV broadcast? Or Tony the Toenail making money buy selling you a copy made from a local theater showing?

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    19. Re:Fuzzy math by ePhil_One · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The he would be depriving the original owner of the Ferarri of his car, which is definitely bad.

      Wheras if he returns it, all is well again? After all, he still has use of his Ferrari! Maybe Joe will give him some $$$ to compensate for the milage to drive down to the Kwik-E mart and pick up some hotties? That will surely make it All OK!

      The grandparents post point was that because Joe couldn't pay for the music, it was OK for him to download them. Perhaps a better analogy would be a Ferris wheel at an unpopular fair. Its half empty, but Joe can't afford a ride. Is it OK for him to walk up and hop on? Its going around anyway, there are paying customers on the ride. Doesn't really devalue the paying customers rides, but they notice what he did, as did lots of other fairgoers. Next year, nobody pays, the wheel is going round anyway, they don't want to be the only sucker who pays. Third year, the fair doesn't bother bringing the wheel, because nobody will pay to ride it, they expect it to be free.

      So, the ride operator seems to be seriously out of sync with how the public want to treat his service. He made his money back on his ferris wheel investment years ago, he should be giving out free rides by now. etc. etc.

      Personally I'd give copyrights 15 years, it smore than enough time to earn fair profit (most projects earn 99% of their lifetime income in the first two years) while allowing the public access to works that have become part of the cultural identity, such as the "Happy Birthday" song, or "Old Man and the Sea".

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    20. Re:Fuzzy math by eam · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > However, I don't even know if I could find 8 new
      > movies each month that were worth my time to
      > watch... let alone signing up for a subscription
      > service and watching over 10 movies a month to
      > make the "obligation" worth it.

      I have kids, so I don't go out often ;-)

      I use Netflix, and my movie queue currently has about 250 movies in it. They aren't all new movies. Many are movies that I missed when they went through the theaters (oldest son is 6 years old, so I've missed about 6 years of movies). Some are movies that just didn't show up near me. The vast majority are older movies that I just want to see.

      I have the "3-at-a-time" service, which currently costs $17.99/month (as of 11/1/2004). If I return them on Monday, the next movies are here by Friday (actually, they usually show up on Wednesday or Thursday).

      If you assume that I can manage to rent 100 movies in a year (1 movie each Friday & Saturday night would be 104 movies/year), then the current cost per movie is about $2.16. For that price I don't have to leave my house to pick it up or return it, and I don't have to download it.

      Looking over my rental history from 9/24/01 to 8/17/04, I have averaged about 105 movies/year.

      In 2003, the total number of movies was 101. 2002 it was 125 (I changed from 4-at-a-time to 3-at-a-time last year). So far this year I've gotten through 88 movies.

    21. Re:Fuzzy math by xQx · · Score: 2, Funny

      hahahah!
      I can just see it now:

      Dear Sir/Madam:

      The Business Software Alliance (BSA) has determined that the connection listed below, which appears to be using an Internet account under your control, is using a eDonkey network to offer unlicensed copies or may be engaged in other authorized activities relating to copyrighted computer programs published by BSA's member companies.

      While no judicial determination of infringement has been made, we have a good faith belief that this activity violates copyright laws and probably your terms of service as well. In contacting you in this manner, we seek your prompt assistance in having the content removed or activity discontinued. Voluntary, appropriate action can both render legal measures unnecessary and serve a positive educational purpose.

      Content being offered:
      Filename: Weapons of Ass Destruction.avi

      -- I think the porn industry makes enough money without hastling people who decide to 'pirate' their material.

  2. Keep those DVDs cheap boys... by garcia · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A: Some people who were sued raised hell. But by and large, if you look at the big picture, it was important to make the point that this cannot be free. Piracy has a tremendous negative impact on consumers.

    No, the movie industry has had a tremendous negative impact on itself. Expensive movies that fail turn into expensive losses. STOP MAKING SHITTY FUCKING MOVIES that cost 100+ million dollars. Believe me, I don't feel sorry for the MPAA when they have to shell out millions to big name actors to get them to act in a movie that sucks.

    In fact, if anything, piracy has had a great impact on consumers. The MPAA has been forced to push movies out quickly to consumers at low costs. Walmart has some great titles for under $8. Target routinely has newer releases for under $15 and some under $10 on sale.

    A: My son Jon was executive producer of the recent film Mr. 3000. A few days after the film was released, a member of my staff found it being sold as a DVD just a few blocks from our offices. I called my son to give him the bad news, and he told me this is happening to all the current films. And then he said, "And what are you going to do about it, Dad?"

    Is this quote supposed to make me feel bad? That the head of the MPAA is fighting for the rights of his son who is a producer? I don't. In fact, it turns me off more than anything.

    A: I have very good teachers here. I think of myself as having adequate knowledge, but the principles are easy to understand. We have to embrace new technologies, but also enforce the law.

    Perhaps you should learn to embrace the wants and needs of the consumers and be less worried about pissing everyone off.

    1. Re:Keep those DVDs cheap boys... by Kenja · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "STOP MAKING SHITTY FUCKING MOVIES"

      If the movies are so bad why are people stealing them (sorry, infringing on their copywrite)? I bet I could find a torrent of Garfield the movie if I realy wanted to.

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    2. Re:Keep those DVDs cheap boys... by Neil+Blender · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "STOP MAKING SHITTY FUCKING MOVIES"

      If the movies are so bad why are people stealing them (sorry, infringing on their copywrite)?


      It's the Slashdot version of the Goodwin law. When all else fails, justify theft by claiming that whatever you are stealing sucks.

    3. Re:Keep those DVDs cheap boys... by garcia · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If the movies are so bad why are people stealing them (sorry, infringing on their copywrite)? I bet I could find a torrent of Garfield the movie if I realy wanted to.

      They are stealing them to steal them. I know that some people here don't like the fact of "I'm not going to pay $9/ticket to see a movie but I'll download it for free" issue but it does exist.

      There's a market for free movies even if they do suck. I refuse to spend money on a movie that I just know (or was told) blows.

      Honestly, the only real reason that bullshit suck movies do well is because there is only a small number of movies made and people need something to do with their 2.5 kids on a Saturday night.

    4. Re:Keep those DVDs cheap boys... by subzero_ice · · Score: 3, Funny

      I have seen the movie Mr.3000 and would say that Dan Glickman's son should be happy that people are buying the DVD because anybody in the right state of mind wouldn't. It is a totally worthless movie. If thats whats lost revenue they will never be able to cut it down unless they improve the quality of the films being made.

    5. Re:Keep those DVDs cheap boys... by grub · · Score: 3, Insightful


      I know that some people here don't like the fact of "I'm not going to pay $9/ticket to see a movie but I'll download it for free" issue but it does exist.

      I'm one of those people.

      Not all movies. We have a "rule of thumb" that unless it gets a 7.0 or higher on IMDB (my peers, so to speak) we just don't go or download it. That all said, we rent DVDs once in a while yet very few of those are worth the effort to copy with DVD Shrink to DVD-R. Most recent movies are so-so one time views, that is what I think they're trying to grasp onto.

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    6. Re:Keep those DVDs cheap boys... by John+Seminal · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Perhaps you should learn to embrace the wants and needs of the consumers and be less worried about pissing everyone off.

      Funny you mention this, because I just finished reading Peter Lynch's "Beating The Street". His #1 criteria for picking stocks to buy???--- That the company gives the consumers something they want. That way there will be a long prosperous history of sales. Otherwise the company will dwindle and die. I think if the MPAA goes the way of fighting consumers, alternative sources of entertainment will be found.

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    7. Re:Keep those DVDs cheap boys... by Spudnuts · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What are you going to do about it, Dad?

      Too bad the answer wasn't "Hold out for you to produce a movie that's worth protecting."

    8. Re:Keep those DVDs cheap boys... by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If the movies are so bad why are people stealing them?

      Simple macroeconomics. The taco shop on the corner may make lousy tacos, and you'd never buy them at $1 apiece, or even on sale at 39 cents each. If they dropped the price to a nickel, though, even you might go over there for lunch just to save the money to get something else you want or need. Piracy reduces the cost of obtaining a movie to a few cents worth of bandwidth, and with modern PCs it doesn't even tie up the machine, you can run it in the background.

      But no, I wouldn't buy or download Garfield, even for free. :-P~

    9. Re:Keep those DVDs cheap boys... by supz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is this quote supposed to make me feel bad? That the head of the MPAA is fighting for the rights of his son who is a producer? I don't. In fact, it turns me off more than anything.

      I totally agree with that... I find it very difficult to feel sorry for millionaires not getting richer. I know we're in a capitalist country, where you can make all the money you want if you're good at it, and that movie piracy is stealing, but for gods sake... don't try to use SYMPATHY to convince us not to steal your movies -- you have far more money than I will ever have, and I will NOT feel sorry for you, EVER.

      I feel sorry for kids in Somalia who cannot eat, not for movie producers who cannot buy an M5 for their teenage son, as a birthday present.

    10. Re:Keep those DVDs cheap boys... by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Because when something becomes more easily available, the decision of whether to watch it or not becomes a lot simpler.

      When you have sites like Suprnova up where every single tv show, movie, game, app, etc is but a click away (and a few hours of downloading), many people think, "hey, its there, its free, and if i like it I might buy it, if not I've saved myself some money"

      So its not so much that there's now an intense desire to grab the movie (well, in some cases there is a HUGE desire, but I'm talking about the "shitty" ones), its that there's less reasons NOT to watch the bad ones.

      Before nobody watched bad movies in theaters because they didn't want to waste $8. They would just rent it instead for $3. Now they can just check it out for free.

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    11. Re:Keep those DVDs cheap boys... by 615 · · Score: 2, Funny
      Too bad the answer wasn't "Hold out for you to produce a movie that's worth protecting."

      You just made my day. :-)

  3. shake in your boots... by grub · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Will we totally obliterate piracy? No. But we have to make it as difficult as possible.

    Suing people won't make downloading "difficult". Perhaps a bit riskier for those people in the US who happen to do so.

    Regardless, I'm assuming they'll have to go to the ISPs individually with a court order for ID rather than the sweeping lawsuits the RIAA used?

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    1. Re:shake in your boots... by zurab · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Suing people won't make downloading "difficult".

      I've stated this several times before, but WTH, I'll do it again. The problem with the MPAA is the same problem with the RIAA - they are both cartels: they are not competing for a consumer dollar amongst each other, they are enforcing illegal trade restrictions, bribing congress for ridiculous laws that don't make sense, and seek more control of the market and revenues by any means to avoid business risks associated with free market and competition. Once you are down that path, there is no turning back unless something drastic happens in the industry.

      So, no, their strategy is definitely not making the downloading difficult - they are just ending up suing their best customers.

      Imagine now, what would make "piracy" really difficult is if there was any competition in the entertainment industry and consumers were getting what they really want. No, not the service that works on Windows media player only and you pay and download a "movie" that you can watch for the next 24 hours only on your computer. This is useless. What consumers want is a service that allows them to download a movie (in MPEG-4/XVid/DivX/Theora/whatever) for, say $5, burn it to any DVD easily and watch it on any DVD player of their choice. Imagine now if all this can be done many ways - using your computer, networked DVD players, DVRs, etc., etc. On top of that, how about making the deals with broadband providers to mirror the content for faster downloads? How about helping them deploy fiber optic cables for better and faster market acceptance and saturation?

      If not this way, find another way to deliver content and meet the existing and future demands of potential consumers. Let the market and the competition decide what method will win and what your consumers really want.

      Instead, the way the cartel is taking the industry and the "market" is paying legislators to try to pass mandated DRM schemes, CDBPTA (or whatever), INDUCE Act, broadcast flag, guaranteed tax revenues (while they are not paying their share of taxes), restricting fair trades, and best of all - suing their own customers.

      Will people ever say enough is enough and make their governments disband the illegal cartels?
  4. Comparison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just out of curiosity...

    CD sales went down, but how about concert revenue?
    Movie box office went up, but how about DVD/VHS sales?

    1. Re:Comparison by 3StrangeAllies · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Another comparison that might be worth something in the actual pseudo-stealing debate : how has the global 'entertainement' budget been affected ?

      As a member of the "18-24" age-rank, my budget is more or less $700 a month, all inclusive. I'm sorry to say that if I have the choice between any $15 CD and any $15 DVD even with no bonus, I'll go for the DVD, 2 out of 3 times, unless the record is one I really want.

      I might spent $50 a month on entertainement -- but I never bought videos, because they take a lot of space and are poor quality. Now the DVDs have come out, the market has more variety, but my wallet is still the same size...

      Sure, the CD sales went down the gutter, but it is not because of the p2p, it is because of a basic market regulation rule of thumb : the customers will always go where they get their money worth, hence DVD over CD.

      If broadband and p2p had been available 15 years ago, I bet they would have blamed the failure of comemrcial pre recorded DAT, or 8 years ago commercial MD, on p2p instead of poor money-worth ratio...

  5. Soon there will be only one way to d/l movies by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Funny
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  6. Ive bought my last movie by nurb432 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since they are now going to be suing their customers, i will no longer be purchasing any of their films.

    I'm about ready to cancel my cable TV as well..

    Will my dropping off their cutomer roles hurt them? No.. but enough others follow me..

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    ---- Booth was a patriot ----
    1. Re:Ive bought my last movie by Pirogoeth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The government tickets speeders. Are you going to stop driving as well?

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    2. Re:Ive bought my last movie by Sporkinum · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Or you can do what I do, buy used CD's and movies. MPAA and RIAA arent getting any money from me, and I get legal, cheap media.

      --
      "He's lost in a 'floyd hole"
    3. Re:Ive bought my last movie by interiot · · Score: 3, Insightful
      If you disagree with the policy decisions that the monopoly that controls roads makes, you can quite literally vote against the organization(s) who made those policy decisions.

      If you disagree with the policy decisions that the near-monopoly that controls movies, you have only one choice: "vote" with your wallet. It's probably even less effective, because you only have one ideology that you can vote for or against, rather than voting between two competing ideologies, but if you want to do something other than simply bitch about it on slashdot, clearly it's about the only choice you have.

  7. title by Malicious · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Profits are up as a result of raising movie ticket prices to make up for losses due to piracy...
    So stopping piracy will bring movie prices below $12/show right? Riiiiiiiight???
    When it costs as much to see the movie in the theater as you can OWN the DVD for later on, it's a wonder they still make money at all.

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  8. Original Headline by RobertB-DC · · Score: 2, Funny

    Off-topic, really, but the original headline to this story (as seen by subscribers) was "MPAA to Begin Suing Movie Downloaders". That looked like a dupe from Wednesday's story, Movie Industry to sue File Sharers. I'm sure I wasn't the only subscriber to submit a "Dupe!" warning, and the headline got changed.

    Y'all who enjoy lambasting the editors over dupe articles, chew on this for a while, alright?

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  9. Mr. 3000 by mopslik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I found the real explanation here, nestled between paragraphs...

    "We know there are losses. We believe we're losing $3.5 billion yearly."
    ...
    "My son Jon was executive producer of the recent film
    Mr. 3000."

    Hmmmm. Ever considered that part of that mysterious 3.5 billion dollars might have gone into making this stinker?

    In any case, Mr. Glickman does a wonderful job of not answering the question at all, and by pulling a random number out of the air.

    1. Re:Mr. 3000 by MonkeyGone2Heaven · · Score: 2, Funny


      ...by pulling a random number out of the air.

      I'm pretty certain the air isn't where Mr. Glickman pulled that number from.

  10. Lies and Damned Lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The RIAA hasn't lost 25% of their sales.

    Sales of singles went down significantly.

    But...
    Its mostly because they stopped selling singles.

    Some of you buy into the crap that these people spout. I think its a joke, and those of buying into these lies should be ashamed of yourselves.

  11. Negative Impact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    "Piracy has a tremendous negative impact on consumers."

    Right

  12. MPAA Shouldn't be losing money. by rmadmin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Music sounds the same from an MP3 as it does from a CD. However, I enjoy movies ALOT better on a HUGE projector screen than on my 17" monitor. :-)

    1. Re:MPAA Shouldn't be losing money. by carpe_noctem · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A much better analogy here would be a live concert vs. mp3 downloads. Nonetheless, I agree with you here, and this is why it's been about 3 years since I've bought a CD. However, I DJ techno, and my appetite for buying good vinyl is hard to satisfy.

      But there's a big difference here, which is that a record has physical worth to me. Sure, good vinyl costs about 10$/ea, and you only get anywhere from 1-6 songs (most dance records have about 2-4). It's well worth the money, imo, because spinning from software mp3's just doesn't match the feel of vinyl underneath your fingers, and it doesn't sound nearly the same.

      Granted, not everyone's in my boat. However, most people forget that vinyl was hands down a better deal that CD's. The audio quality is (arguably) better, most of them came with full liner notes, posters, and artwork on the cover. A CD, in comparison, costs twice as much, sounds identical to mp3 rips, and you get a cheap plastic case and small, fold-out picture of the band with tiny printed lyrics (if you're lucky).

      The problem with the music industry is that people have no reason to buy CD's... what do they possibly offer the consumer that they can't get on mp3? The movie industry was smart enough to realize that DVD's needed to offer some type of extra incentive for people, and the fact that DVD's have audio commentaries, extra features, and all sorts of other goodies is reason enough for me to buy them.

      CD's, on the other hand, are still worthless. And they will continue to be so until the RIAA comes up with something more compelling than an 18$ plasticated version of a radio one-hit-wonder. God only knows why CD's don't have band interviews, patches/shirts, or other little goodies.

      And they wonder why they're still running out of busines....

      --
      "Quoting famous computer scientists out of context is the root of all evil (or at least most of it) in programming." - K
  13. Spare me the heart tugging bullshit by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It comes across more like genital tugging. When I see heads of organisations like this attempting to paint their business opeations as something the head dude feels morally compelled to do because his child asked him I immediately switch to total cynic mode and am immediately sure there is another agenda.

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    What truth?
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  14. Re:Interview with first post chief by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2, Funny

    My sister wås bitten by å møøse ønce...

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    "A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
  15. Awww poor baby by ColdZero · · Score: 5, Funny

    "A: My son Jon was executive producer of the recent film Mr. 3000. A few days after the film was released, a member of my staff found it being sold as a DVD just a few blocks from our offices. I called my son to give him the bad news, and he told me this is happening to all the current films. And then he said, "And what are you going to do about it, Dad?" Translation: Awww I'm rich beyond silly. I was the executive producer for a shitty movie that nobdoy wanted to see. Daddy make the bad pirates go away.

  16. Re:Which is it? by Twanfox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    2% rule here.

    It's called a comparison. The RIAA has sued file sharers. The MPAA is going to sue file sharers. The RIAA was in the position of having lost revenue. The MPAA is doing it more out of principle, as their revenue has not fallen.

    Looking at the two different organizations, one can see that the imperitives behind doing this are likely different, though the motivation is still a fat stack of $$'s.

  17. Value of movies, lost revenues and lost paradise. by Andr0s · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Several points.

    A) In the past few years, Cable TV, view-on-demand, pay-per-view, TiVo and gang have proliferated. Massively. That means that single-viewing of movies became cheaper. Meaning that people can finally see CatWoman for a dollar before blowing $25 on the DVD. Thus, triage has gotten tougher, and crappy movies can't sell DVDs on title alone, anymore, in quantities they used to.

    B) Suing downloaders has nothing to do with lost revenue. Lawsuits are, in the modern world, more frequently made to acquire profits than to compensate for losses. SCO would've NEVER generated income based on its alleged properties on the scale of some of companies whom it is suing. It is far easier, and cheaper in the terms of production expenses, to sue someone than to turn out a new product.

    C) Suing downloaders, most likely, doesn't have 'making profit' as a primary goal. Most students and high schoolers can't pay tens of thousands of dollars of damages. No. Goal is Shock and Awe assault on offenders. Smack a hundred of them with lawsuits, and others would back off. At least in theory.

    In the end, it all comes down to the fact modern movie costs are overblown. If an actor gets paid several mil. dollars for half a year of half-assed work, and you have several of those actors to pay, then add to that a million other overblown expense issues... Holywood really needs some budget lessons.

    --
    '...computers in the future may have only 1000 vacuum tubes and perhaps weigh 1.5 tons...' Popular Mechanics, 03/49'
  18. No Surprise by Natchswing · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I'm not sure this surprises anyone. The RIAA took on a campaign, with the "stop piracy!" flag waving high, to sue every file sharer they could identify.

    There's been many studies that showed the file sharing has not decreased (and I would agree with that). There's also studies showing that CD sales have continued to plummet.

    So, you may ask, if the monte carlo lawsuit method isn't slowing piracy then why would the MPAA take up the same fight?

    The answer is simple. The goal isn't to curb piracy, that won't help anyone. If the CDs being released now are really bad then stopping piracy isn't going to fix that.

    Piracy is simply an income source. A few years ago the RIAA had to find, sign, and rape bands, then spend a fair amount of money to advertise and publish the bands. This was lots of work for a moderate income. Lawsuits are much easier. Simply write a program to log into a file sharing network, write down IPs, and have the printer send out extortion letters as fast as it can.

    One person, with a pair of laserjet printers and an internet connection, can generate a few thousand dollars per extortion letter printed.

    Hold on a second....

    Sorry about that delay, I had to fold the paper that just came out of the printer and put it in the envelope. I just made $2000 by threatening some 13 year old kid.

    What? You say this will make me look bad? You say that people will become alienated and refuse to buy CDs? I couldn't care less. I, as the RIAA, make far more money mailing out random lawsuits that I do pushing pop CDs.

    The lawsuits won't stop piracy, but nobody wants piracy to stop. If piracy were suddenly brought to a halt then the RIAA would have no income from CDs AND no income from lawsuits. Piracy is what keeps the RIAA in business now.

    It's what keeps the RIAA in business, it's what keeps SCO in business, and it's worked for years. The MPAA isn't hurting, not in the area of sales. What they see is an additional income source that they can tap into.

    If *YOU* want to become rich, simply start an organization called "anti-piracy group". Contact a few dozen big software manufacturers and get them to sign a contract. "If you let my organization sue file sharers on your behalf, I'll settle out of court and give you half."

    You won't stop piracy, but you'll be filthy rich really quick. It's a good income for the software companies so they may be eager to sign up!

  19. No nepotism here... by PsychoKiller · · Score: 4, Funny

    Q: To follow up on that, piracy has even negatively affected your family, correct?

    A: My son Jon was executive producer of the recent film Mr. 3000. A few days after the film was released, a member of my staff found it being sold as a DVD just a few blocks from our offices. I called my son to give him the bad news, and he told me this is happening to all the current films. And then he said, "And what are you going to do about it, Dad?"


    Why didn't dad do something about it being such a crappy movie? I wasted a whole day's worth of bandwidth for it. :)

  20. Bad Analogy by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Different case. Different issues.

    1 is a case of public safety.
    2 is a case of a debatable civil issue.

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  21. Give him a chance! by shilad · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Before Dan Glickman started working for the MPAA, he was at the institute of politics at Harvard's Kennedy School of Gov't. My wife and a classmate did a independent study with him about funding school lunches. She said the he was honest, excited, and insightful - one of the nicest "professors" she had ever worked with.

    This has been mentioned before, but while Sec. of Agriculture under Clinton, he was the catalyst in a civil rights cleanup in the department. He had little support from anybody on this (including Clinton, most people would say). He just thought it was the right thing to do. I think that's pretty amazing these days.

    People may hate the MPAA (for good reason), but it's better to have somebody like Glickman at their helm than Valenti.

    1. Re:Give him a chance! by rhizome · · Score: 2, Insightful

      People can be nice, well-intentioned, and insightful...but still do lame things. It's true, the past does not determine the future.

      --
      When I was a kid, we only had one Darth.
  22. Re:HA! by burns210 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What are you talking about? Copyright infringement doesn't have to involve money, making illegal copies, or redistributing copywritten material, without permission, is illegal. Doesn't matter if you make a profit, the rules are the rules.

  23. We should be applauding this by Ryan+C. · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The fact that the RIAA and MPAA are now going after the people breaking copyright law instead of writing legislation aimed at crippling technology and suing service providers is a good thing.

    Now, of course there are still some stupid hybrid technological/legal measures they're pushing like 5C encryption and the broadcast flag. But if unlawful uses of file sharing/copying/archiving diminish due to fear of individual suits, then legitimate fair use will become a significant part of what is being prevented by these measures and they'll hopefully stop or be forced to stop them. Hopefully.

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    -Ryan C.
  24. Re:HA! by binkys · · Score: 2, Informative

    BTW, are these the same people who are forcing 30 minutes of commercials before movies?

    Just a note to that, its the theaters themselves that add the commercials beforehand. The large theaters by me all have commercials, but if I go to one of the smaller(ie. Non-chain) theaters, I'm am greated by a blank screen and a radio playing right up until the previews start.

  25. Yay for nepotism by pVoid · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Q: To follow up on that, piracy has even negatively affected your family, correct?

    A: My son Jon was executive producer of the recent film Mr. 3000. A few days after the film was released, a member of my staff found it being sold as a DVD just a few blocks from our offices. I called my son to give him the bad news, and he told me this is happening to all the current films. And then he said, "And what are you going to do about it, Dad?"

    I can't believe he's actually proud to bring that up. I just can't believe it. It's almost as perverted as the fact that Dubya can call on Jeb or his Dadda to get him whatever he wants.

    Man, America is going down the pipes in fifth gear, and nobody's doing anything about it.

    <RANT> All you pacifist liberals/lefties/intellos/geeks who like to shit on Micheal Moore because you think it's more intellectual to be able to shit on your own camp (ref. Team America, World Police)... you'd better get off your starbucks drinking asses and get something done, and fast...

    I grew up in several countries and continents through my life. Namely, Canada, Turkey and France. I clearly remember in my younger years how the US was in fact something of an ideal. An actual land of the free. You may not realize it but this is changing fast. It actually boggles my mind that such a deep cultural change could sweep the globe so fast.

    </RANT>

    PS. FUCK KARMA!

    1. Re:Yay for nepotism by pVoid · · Score: 2, Funny
      I'm suggesting neither: I'm condemning the point of view that condones nepotism. I'm condemning class structure and elitism, and how everyone supports it indirectly by allowing nepotism to exist to such a level.

      I'm condemning the people for voting at 51% for someone who's clearly daddy's boy. George Bush, along with all of the others in power right now, is there *only* because of his family ties into money and oil. He did not earn anything on his own. And it seems the american people attribute no value to that anymore: earning something.

      Class structure in "the land of the free" (make me laugh) is becoming more and more similar to the aristocracy that was in rule during the Russian Tzar era, or during Louis XIV.

      And then, there are idiots like you!.. like fucking YOU! who shit on me for expressing this point of view. Why? Because your IQ is only high enough to shit on your own yard... you have absolutely no intellectual skills to actually pierce through the status-quo. You answer me robotically on a slashdot thread after sensing my post had all the tell tale signs of being a flame.

      You are the idiot. The sad thing is how oblivious to it you are.

      I thank my god every day that I don't live in that fucked up country of yours, where people like you roam thinking you and your superior intelligence is the reason why the world is civilized.

  26. DVD Burners by DogDude · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't think that most people who download movies are watching them on a computer any more. With a $100 DVD Burner, $0.25 blank DVD, plus free (and awesome) DVD Shrink, you've got yourself a shiny new DVD movie.

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  27. The payoff comes later. by Pi_0's+don't+shower · · Score: 4, Interesting
    You'll never get exposure to these great media as long as the record companies and MPAA have their way.
    It's not just movies and recording industries, mind you. When I was a kid (13-17), I pirated lots of software... and I mean a LOT of software. When I was in college (18-21), I pirated (or downloaded... whatever) a lot of music. Lots and lots of free music, hundreds upon hundreds of songs. Now, I'm 26, I have an income, and I'm free to purchase whatever I can afford. I'll give you one guess what types of software and music I've been purchasing. Did you guess the types that I "stole" and liked when I was younger? Good guess... Isn't it common knowledge that the single most "stolen/pirated" thing out there in the electronic world is "Windows"? That really destroyed that company...
    1. Re:The payoff comes later. by metlin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Isn't it common knowledge that the single most "stolen/pirated" thing out there in the electronic world is "Windows"? That really destroyed that company...

      The best part is that it really _helps_ Microsoft, because it brings about wider adoption.

      Do you think Microsoft really cares about that much about home piracy? Yeah, they do come up with all these policies and strategies to counter that - but in truth, it just brings about more people using Windows.

      That is an area where Opensource can really pitch in, IMHO.

    2. Re:The payoff comes later. by nospmiS+remoH · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The best part is that it really _helps_ Microsoft, because it brings about wider adoption.

      I couldn't agree more. I have always wondered why Windows XP pro and, even more so, Office XP pro are so damn expensive. Sure, there was a lot of work behind them, but the cost is simply too much for me to bear. Therefore, when I built a new computer, I was "forced" to dive into Linux and Open Office and am getting used to the free alternatives. What does that mean? Well, there is talk of switching to a Linux desktop where I work. I will be able to make that transition easier now. People will resist change if they have never used anything but Windows, but if they are driven to alternatives they will begin to see the light.

      Just a thought.

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  28. Corruption by Ralph+Yarro · · Score: 2, Interesting
    From the article:

    Q: Let's move to politics for a moment. As a lifelong Democrat, your appointment to the MPAA was criticized by several Republicans who said they felt a member of their party should have gotten the nod, since Republicans were in control of Congress. And there have been some reports that Congress withheld its support on some recent MPAA-supported bills in response.

    What's your take?

    A: We are an important industry that produces hundreds of thousands of jobs in this country.

    It's hard for me to believe that for partisan political reasons, anyone would want to penalize a successful industry. Piracy is not a partisan issue. I can't be successful unless I'm bipartisan. I'm from Kansas, a state that didn't elect a lot of Democrats.

    Now that the election is over and settled, people will become more secure with themselves.


    Society is really messed up when corruption amongst lawmakers is treated as casually as both interviewer and interviewee did here.

    Did the interviewer make up the bit about Republicans claiming an entitlement to certain jobs based on their control of Congress, or is their support for this?

    This is a far more serious issue than movie piracy.
    --

    The real Ralph Yarro posts as Anonymous Coward. Anyone else is an impostor.
  29. why pay for movies?... by zxnos · · Score: 2, Interesting
    when all it takes is setting up a few junk emails for my points to get free unrestricted movie passes. my dog, cat, plants, rugs etc all have accounts. and if you live in denver, buy beer at kingsoopers and get coupons for elvis. ill pay a $3 for two people to see a flick, cheaper than renting.

    there are all sorts of ways to beat the system.

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    always mosh clockwise
  30. You have no idea what you are talking about. by pavon · · Score: 4, Insightful
    From the US copyright code:

    106. Exclusive rights in copyrighted works

    Subject to sections 107 through 122, the owner of copyright under this title has the exclusive rights to do and to authorize any of the following:

    (1) to reproduce the copyrighted work in copies or phonorecords;

    (2) to prepare derivative works based upon the copyrighted work;

    (3) to distribute copies or phonorecords of the copyrighted work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending;

    (4) in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and motion pictures and other audiovisual works, to perform the copyrighted work publicly;

    (5) in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and pictorial, graphic, or sculptural works, including the individual images of a motion picture or other audiovisual work, to display the copyrighted work publicly; and

    (6) in the case of sound recordings, to perform the copyrighted work publicly by means of a digital audio transmission.


    Distributing other peoples works without thier permission is indeed against the law and has been for a couple hundred years. The only difference that selling makes is that it then becomes a criminal offense instead of just a civil one.
  31. Losing $3.5 billion yearly?? by Matt+Perry · · Score: 2, Interesting
    We believe we're losing $3.5 billion yearly.
    Is that so? Then it'll show up as a line item in your accounting and SEC filings then? A $3.5 billion loss on the books?
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  32. it seems like a reasonable policy by etaluclac · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I believe their strategy works, although maybe just for a percentage of file sharers. I know someone who stopped using P2P entirely once the lawsuits came out. Sure, even if you're statistically not likely to get sued, why risk it?
    If you're just downloading for fun, to hear a couple of songs or watch some movies, then why not just spend 20 bucks and get it legitimately?

    For me, being on a university network is wonderful for downloading--but I don't try to abuse it. If I want something really bad, then buying it is usually what I'll do. For those passing interests (maybe I'll watch some silly comedy movie) I'll get it online and feel stupid for even bothering to download it.

    In the end, how fun is it to watch the video/listen to the track--and compare that to how much trouble you might have if only 1% of people who saw it got a threatening letter...and if 1% of those people actually got sued, but had to waste weeks of their time and thousands of dollars, then is it really worth it?

    I think it's about time some people get sued. They are the ones clearly breaking the law--nobody is trying to shut down bittorrent per se. If the music industry doesn't like people downloading their movies, they should forcefully "remind" us of it--and then act on their threat. That is the most powerful deterrent I can imagine.

  33. what about... by wurd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...those of us who simply don't like theaters? music is very different because you're listening to it (generally) under the same circumstances as you would if you had bought a CD. but for most movies, if you want to see them when they come out, you have to go to the theater, pay too much money, and tolerate a head in front of you, kicking feet and fidgety knees behind you. not to mention a fellow moviegoer who might enjoy announcing plot points. and my all time least favorite, applause. being in the theater for a movie is rarely an enjoyable experience, and i'd much rather watch a movie as soon as it's available in the comfort of my own home, without waiting for it on DVD. why does there have to be a waiting period for watching something in an environment that isn't annoying?

  34. Quality by Sheepdot · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm going to state this up front. I'm kind of an asshole when it comes to things like this. But please, hear me out and I think you might find we have more in common than you believe.

    The biggest problem with videos of movies that come out on theater is that they are in Cam quality on IRC. I download these religiously. I don't think I have a god-given right to them, but I download them like no tomorrow. If caught, oh well, it was fun while it lasted and the MPAA can enjoy suing me. They can "make an example" out of me. If someone can get away with using lawsuits to ask for outrageous amounts of money in damages, then I don't particularly see a future for myself, anyway. All I see right now is dodging one litigous situation after another.

    Anyway, I steal because I just can't justify spending 7 dollars per ticket plus five dollars popcorn and pop for myself and a date. And yet, I'm suppose to court all these lovely young ladies that are gold diggers too. (Told you I was an asshole, stay with me, here)

    I went to see Return of the King, and I think that will be the last one. Forget the crappy quality of the Cam versions, I enjoy the other little things, like:

    1) Popcorn and pop cost whatever I spend on them at the grocery store. Usually about 50 cents a can and package.
    2) I have as much room as I want, either on the couch or leaning back in a computer chair. I can even change my clothes while watching the movie.
    3) I can pause the movie when I have to take a crap. Or to go jerk off.
    4) I can answer my cell phone and say, "What's up?" without being booed and hissed to the foyer. Same goes with farting, people won't get offended and tell those pimply-faced teens to ask me to leave.

    No, I don't answer my cell phone during movies (I have it on vibrate, I'm not a total asshole) but it sure is nice to hit pause and then answer it right there. Can you imagine if they gave people remotes so they could pause the movie while they used the crapper, got a drink of water, made out, or breast-fed the baby? Return of the King would have been 3 days long, not 3 hours.

    For what it is worth, it's not the MPAA that is the problem, it's the damned theaters. They have to start introducing some things that I can't purchase for my home and use that to try to get me to go there.

    Here's some ideas:
    1) Private rooms or twenty-person rooms with a large screen TV instead of a projector.
    2) A table I can put food, Goobers, or a UMP on.
    3) Theater massages - This can include vibrating chairs
    4) Headphones. These serve two purposes: first, I don't have to hear the little brats screaming/whining/crying; and second, the abducter that is stealing the screaming/whining/crying brat will actually get away before the mom notices her kid is gone, so the kid will grow up in a god-fearing Mormon/Candian home, far away from me.
    5) Naked chicks. The theater girls aren't always that ugly and fat, why not pay the good ones more to give us a brief synopsis on the movie while in the nude?
    6) Hell, maybe if they even started providing gas for my big olde SUV I'd start going.

  35. TV is Theft by Foofoobar · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yeah and every movie I watch on regular TV means I will never purchase the DVD and every song I listen to on the radio means I will never purchase the CD and every book I read in the library is one less book I will buy.

    I think it's only a matter of time before McDonalds starts suing people who distribute recipes online.

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    1. Re:TV is Theft by Reziac · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've personally heard two well-known authors rant that libraries are theft. (One runs around suing ebook downloaders already; that should give away his identity. :)

      As to the entire **AA anti-downloading stance, as I and others have pointed out many times, it has nothing to do with piracy. It has to do with *controlling the distribution channel*. If the only way to distribute a song or movie is thru the big cartel, the big cartel takes a cut of the profit (or in Real Life, MOST if not ALL of the profit). If people can offer their songs and films for download, those songs and movies are removed from the cartels' revenue stream. Scare average joes into believing ALL downloads are theft that results in draconian penalties, and you've killed that competition before it can mature enough to start *really* taking your revenue.

      As to the interview, I'd like to know how downloaders have anything to do with illicit DVDs being sold on street corners??

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  36. Its murder, silly, not theft by Peaker · · Score: 4, Funny

    Stop saying people are "stealing" when they copy movies and other stuff against the law, when they are obviously committing an act of murder against the rights of the owners, and murder of creativity.

    Copyright infringement is murder, and should be penalized accordingly!

  37. And then... :) by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Funny

    with the money you earned, you can purchase some DVD's, rip 'em and give some Divx to your friend the pirate.

    Yee haw!!! Creating your own lawsuits er... market.

    Isn't that sweet? O:)

  38. Losses due to boycotts by Yartrebo · · Score: 2, Funny

    I wonder if they also include lost sales due to people boycotting them because they hate litigious bastards.

    Personally, I've just extended my RIAA and BSA boycott to include the MPAA, and unlike music, which I never bought before, I used to occasionally go to the movies (last one I saw was Farenheit 9/11). And Hades will freeze over before I buy any MPAA media.

  39. "Property" by GreenCrackBaby · · Score: 2, Insightful
    While I agree with your basic point, look at it from the other side; Joe Dirt is in posession of their "property" which they value at full price. If Joe wasn't willing to pay the $$$, he shouldn't have the benefit of listening/watching the content. If Joe stole a Ferarri he couldn't pay for, you wouldn't be pointing out that wouldn't have been able to $250,000, or that the value of the steel, aluminium, and paint is only $2,000.


    I'm glad you put "property" in quotes, but the example you then go on to give still shows a lack of understanding. In order to even try to argue for the **AA's side, you cannot ever equate real property with intellectual property. That deserved some bold text because it is the #1 trap people fall into when debating this issue.


    The reason your Ferrari example can't be used as an analogy is because a Ferrari is an example of real property. It's something that has a reproduction cost. To give a proper analogy, how would you feel if Joe paid the $2,000 for paint, steel, and aluminium and built himself a Ferrari? Would you still call him a thief? Could Ferrari still claim a loss as a result, and would you sympathise bad for them if they did?

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  40. It's the old joke ... by TheWizardOfCheese · · Score: 2, Funny

    If the movies are so bad why are people stealing them ...?

    "The food here is terrible ... and the portions are tiny!"

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  41. Re:Question for Slashdotters by Pitr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, here's my advice to the RIAA/MPAA in regards to how they _should_ act.

    First on the list of steps toward prevention is; "Remove the temptation." Fair prices, convenient licensing, fair use, etc etc. If a movie or an album is priced appropriately, it will lessen piracy. Although I believe the "I'm pirating it 'cause it's too expensive" excuse is overused.

    Second, "Don't play dirty pool.", it only weakens your case in the consumer's eye. There's comercials comparing piracy to theft of material goods. There is a very distinct difference, and while it's technically stealing, it's simply not the same. There's "statistics" saying that there are huge losses where none exist. (This article even has a glaring hole, where Glickman states "there are losses" when presented with the fact that the sales have never been higher) And, my favorite, a comercial I often see at the movies, where a poor helpless stunt man is pleading with people not to steal movies, 'cause he blows himself up for us. (Runner up is the kid who steals a chocolate bar then says "But dad, you steal cable") I think it's sick really.

    Third, don't try to "Put the genie back in the bottle". Law suits like the CSS fiasco are rediculous. It's broken, you should have spent more time developing something useful. Mp3s exist, don't fight them, use them. Hard drives are bigger, DVD burners are cheap, audio CDs are easily copied.... DEAL! You can't go back, don't cry over spilt milk... yadda yadda... The sooner you move on, the less money you fritter away (apparently you're all starving remember) and the sooner you can concentrate on adapting instead of fighting the inevitable.

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  42. The most important part of the article... by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 2, Insightful
    here's the line that struck me most out of the entire article:

    Q: Let's move to politics for a moment. As a lifelong Democrat, your appointment to the MPAA was criticized by several Republicans who said they felt a member of their party should have gotten the nod, since Republicans were in control of Congress. And there have been some reports that Congress withheld its support on some recent MPAA-supported bills in response.

    Benito Mussolini, inventor of Fascism, once said that it could more properly be called Corporatism, since it is the merging of government and corporations.

    Read the above quote again, folks. We live in The United Coporations of America - a fascist country.

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  43. Uphill battle by Zareste · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why bother debunking everything a bunch of sue-happy Nazis want people to believe? Doesn't that get tedious? I don't see anyone going so far to debunk the KKK's 'logic' or anything like that. Isn't it easier to just accept that these people are bunch of mindless tyrannic bastards like the aforementioned groups?

    Honestly, it's like telling a schizophrenic person his pencil isn't talking.

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  44. RIAA issue is completely seperate from MPAA issue by pretzelsofwar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Okay there is a big difference here. The RIAA distributes music while the MPAA distributes movies.
    I'm glad I just stated the obvious but I did it for a good point. The extended time it takes to watch a movie then to listen to a CD changes the effect of the product. You don't go around watching Chapter 3 & 5 of Kill Bill Vol. 1 and then watch a little Chapter 6 out of Cube. When this is easy to do with music, because one song is not directly connected to the other. With movies your going to watch the whole thing.

    I find downloading movies is more like renting them, if I like the movie, I will most likely buy it. Mainly for the subtitles, great sound, dvd extras, and overall quality. Music isn't getting any better weather you get the CD or the mp3s of it. You can always download the cover and anything else that comes with the CD. You can do this with DVD's too but most don't. Most likely you will find a divx rip of the movie, with no subtitles (or enlish if the movie is in another language) with no dvd extras, no DD 7.1 surround sound option, a set quality and view port. The Divx copies are extremely limited.

    People that download these movies for the sake of watching the movie wouldn't buy the movie anyways, they would probably rent it. Which as we know doesn't take away money from the MPAA, it takes away money from the rental business. Also there is a slim chance that people wouldn't even rent the movie. Generally the only thing I will do with a downloaded movie is watch it once to find out if i will be purchasing a good product that i will enjoy having. Sure, you could say that I am still doing this illegally, but this is helping the movie business because I have bought dvd's now that I wouldn't have imagined wanting to buy before.

    I do disagree with what people are doing when it comes to pirating movies before they have came out in theaters, this can take away from theater sales because there are quite a few people that don't care if they see it in the theater or not, how ever this seems to be happening in every data business these days, weather it is music, movies, games, or software, on any platform and through any medium, it is a bit of a madness, but shame of the MPAA and the RIAA for trying to make a point by sueing random people that may be benifiting their company. You do not slap the hand that feeds you, eventually your going to end up starving!

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  45. Probably said a million times already..... by Uninformed+Jester · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "The MPAA is in a much different situation. Box office receipts aren't down at all -- 2003's figures were $9.5 billion, the second biggest in history"

    ...but why am I not suprised at this fact-- people still pay for movies because they go for the theatre experience: the incredibly expensive sound system, gigantic screen, and comfortable chairs. How many people would get that same experience by downloading it? People download movies for the convenience, but go to the theater for the full experience.

  46. While he IS a typical *AA jackass... by caveat · · Score: 2, Interesting
    ...he does make one semi-decent point that a lot of /.'ers like to harp on:
    Someone sneaks into a theater with a camcorder, films a movie, puts it online for the world to see for free, and it gets duplicated into DVDs that are getting sold on street corners from New York and Los Angeles to China. If this is allowed to continue, it will sink our industry.

    It's perfectly reasonable to argue that that type of piracy does represent lost sales, and I for one think it's entirely legitimate to go after the people peddling those sorts of things. Too bad he goes on with
    Q: The music industry has only sued people who "upload" onto the Internet -- i.e., people who share content with others. No downloader has been sued, because the RIAA says it's easier to find uploaders. Are you planning to sue just uploaders as well?
    A: Anybody who uses the technology to steal our property may be targeted. We want to get across the point that people are not anonymous on the Internet.
    Now THAT just makes him sound like a media-whore-sue-everything-that-moves twit; it's a shame, he had a good thing going. Well, except that he shouldn't be allowed to breed - I wouldn't d/l Mr. 3000 if you paid me $9 to.
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  47. Ladies and Gentlemen, I introduce the... by GeneralEmergency · · Score: 3, Funny


    ...the world's first fully functional Pig-Nerd!

    Careful, now. Not too close.

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  48. Re:Question for Slashdotters by Ziviyr · · Score: 2, Funny

    (Runner up is the kid who steals a chocolate bar then says "But dad, you steal cable")

    If only they went a tad farther...

    Angered father retorts.
    "Now I steal your life!!!" *STAB* *STAB* *STAB*

    Announcer: "Obviously stealing cable leads to lesser offenses, buy cable or we'll take your candy bar!"

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  49. Re:Losing $3.5 billion yearly?? NOT by nikko1221 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Losing money? How's this for loss: "About 250 executives from Hollywood studios and home-electronics companies gathered at the Bellagio in Las Vegas earlier this year to toast their soaring fortunes, thanks to the phenomenal success of the digital video disc. Major studios sold a stunning $9.4 billion worth of DVDs to retailers last year, proof that DVDs now bring in a majority--52 percent in 2003--of Hollywood's revenue." (Newsweek July 5, 04)

    So isn't THAT a hoot. These are same maroons who fought videotape under the premise that it would RUIN Hollywood (sorry, there are more than enough folks making crappy movies to do that already). But VHS opened up a multibillion dollar business expansion for them. DVD only speeds up their revenue machine. And now they're fighting DVD tooth & nail (i.e. buried 321 Studios, r.i.p., etc.) and continue to beat on every other possible means of DVD fair use.

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  50. Provide a good alternative by xiando · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't have a DVD player. I don't have a CD player. I don't have a VCR. I don't even have a television set. This is actually the honest truth.

    And I consider hard media dead. Dead, I tell you. All my entertainment is enjoyed on a large computer screen. I would have gotten a projector if I had a bigger apartment, I am sure I'll never own a television set or any of it's related devices ever again.

    So what is the movie industries alternative for me? Nothing. This is the alternative I want:

    I buy a one months free rental card from a major TV station or producer, or from some movie corporation. The one months pass gives me the right to view all and anything from that particular corporation. The corporation should make all their shows available in high quality easily-distributed divx files. Not only does this make customers satisfied, but it allows people to distribute the files and advertise them freely. Movie vendors could also make two versions available: One available for everybody with advertisements and one without. Those who would pay for a non-advertisement copy would do that, those who do not want to pay will not do that regardless.

    I'm sure I am not alone in being willing to pay for the copyrighted files available on the net. I would very much like to clarify that it is the divx versions available on the net I am willing to pay for. I am not willing to pay for any streaming service, any service with a closed file format, any format that requires a special player and so forth. The movie industry tends to want control, restricting the customers freedom to use the product to the point where he simply will not buy. He will get a free hi-qualify copy that is USABLE instead. 'I would pay for a streaming service or a dvd if it gave me the right to download the xvid version,' someone told me a while ago.

    Now, how would the movie industry end piracy anyway? THIS IS NOT A REALISTIC option. They can not do that. They can, however, MOVE the piracy. They can move it from BitTorrent to Freenet. Then what? There is already freenet and there is not a thing anyone or any corporation, no matter how big or small, can do about it. BitTorrent sites can be closed by Napster was closed.

    The public demand for soft-versions (not on hard media) of entertainment is what is making BitTorrent use up to 85% of the outgoing bandwidth at Universities because they industry itself does not provide any realistic meet for the demand.

    So what is wrong with hard media? First, it is very unpractical. It takes up space. It involves finding the hard media and inserting it into some device. Download the file and it's already playable from the device, without finding anything. Any computer, xbox and other funny device today can store one movie, and that is all the space needed. Movies are so widely available today anyway there is no need to store it, most people now tend to just download and play music and movies a few times before they delete it. People used to burn these things back in the last century, today it's quicker to download a music album off the net when you want to listen to it than to find the CD you bought of the album 20 years ago.

    The environmental issue: There is not a single scientific paper published the last 25 years that contradicts a 6 th wave of mass extinctions (We have had 5 throughout history, the dinosaurs got hit by the second) within the next two hundred years due to the human species over-harvesting, destroying of natural habitats and pollution. We are cutting down ten times more trees than the world naturally produces, we are harvesting 25% to 50% of all plant material produced by the earth in any single year. We need to stop producing garbage. CDs, DVDs and video tapes are unneeded garbage, things we produce not for survival but to entertain ourselves. And for no good reason at all. Electronic distribution eliminates the whole harmful production of these hard-media items.

  51. Re:See it, but you do not see far enough by pVoid · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Finally you are starting to be rational and intelligent in your reply.

    Your real problem is that you cannot see beyond the power of the moment, to the balance of the future. Sadly your hatred blinds you to the truth, and you see fit to live your days in the paranoid shell you have crafted for yourself.

    It might be true. I can see right now, in these days of despair, that my biggest weakness is my extreme aversion for the American 'Freedom' and Glory. Now a much less rational me would have been very upset that Bush was re-elected. But a more relaxed me sees this as the perfect opportunity to finally remove the monopole that has been formed since the fall of the Soviet Union.

    I will not get into details about that, but I tell you something you should watch out for yourself: while I may be assertive and very loud in what I'm saying... even fanatically emotional about it, I never pretend to know "The Truth" as you seem to think you have. My hatred blindes [me] to your truth... Not the truth!

    I will also not get into that one too long: my last point is more about this thread. I think you should look at places like Europe and places like the Arab countries for what I am talking about. France is far more on the socialist end of the spectrum than the states. And yet, they have achieved through that socialist bureaucracy something that America desperatly needs right now: there is no chance for families to control things in France. The system is run by a system... a system of bureaucracy and rules. At first you might think that's bad and wrong. But they aren't doing bad at all for the size of their country. The level of research being done in French and German labs is very impressive. Their level of life is very high. Without comparing them to the US, I would say they are doing very well for themselves (so let's not go ahead and dismiss my point here simply by saying "yeah well socialism sucks anyways").

    On a contrasted view, the arab countries, especially the oil producing ones are basically run by big families, Sheiks and their myriad cousins.

    There's (fierce) commercial competition in France, despite the less capitalist point of view they have... I don't see that kind of 'freedom' around the arab countries.

    Answer me now: which one would you rather gravitate towards? Families running the show, or a loose system.

    Because as much as we talk about Big Brother running the show in the States, in my opinion, the show is being run more and more by Little Brother and his cousins.

    PS. I live in Canada. If you must know.