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Video iPod Available... Sort of

Pirogoeth writes "The fine folks over at Engadget have figured out how to get your new iPod Photo to play movies. According to the article, you use Quicktime Pro to export the movie as thousands of individual frames which you export to the iPod, send the soundtrack to the iPod as well, then, if you haven't guessed by now, while playing the soundtrack, put the iPod into slideshow mode and use the scroll wheel to manually keep the frames in synch with the sound. Sound impossible? Here's a video (in mov or wmv) of the Episode III trailer in action..."

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  1. Their Other Idea by FuzzzyLogik · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In the Engadget Podcast the other day they discussed the idea of having Picture Podcasts. Where at certain points during a podcast they could have a way to display a picture on "picture" supported audio players (ipod, iriver, etc). I thought it was an very very cool idea, I don't have a photo ipod or any of the others, but it would be a neat feature if i had one.

  2. Or... by Kenja · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or you could just buy somthing that can play both video and audio. Like a PDA or one of the many portable media centers on the market. This is like saying that your printer can play movies if you print out each frame and then flip through them.

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    1. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful


      If you're trying to watch a video on the subway, you're kind of SOL.


      You go around flashing expensive toys on the subway you might find yourself SOL anyway.

    2. Re:Or... by Kenja · · Score: 2
      "If you're trying to watch a video on the subway, you're kind of SOL."

      Other then the problem of telling everyone on the subway that you have too much free money, I dont find this to be a problem. You can fit a LOT of video in 512MB-4GB of storage (which can be gotten for cheap these days).

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    3. Re:Or... by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 2, Informative

      My Axim has a CF slot (which I'm using for wireless right now) and a SD.

      1 GB of either of these formats will run you about $100. Compared to a 40GB drive at the iPod price, that's terrible.

      Of course, 1 GB of video is probably plenty when the screen is 320 x 240. The one I got came with something like 32 MB.

    4. Re:Or... by Kenja · · Score: 3, Insightful
      "1 GB of either of these formats will run you about $100."

      No it will run you about 60$.

      "Compared to a 40GB drive at the iPod price, that's terrible."

      Yea, but see your Axim can play video while your iPod cant (despite what this FA claims). An iPod is also cheaper then a new car, but it works better for some things.

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  3. Ugh... by Chagatai · · Score: 5, Funny
    That is one ugly, ugly brute force hack, if I have ever seen one. It's so ugly it hurt my feelings.

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    1. Re:Ugh... by identity0 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Look at the bright side. Now instead of looking fashonable with their white earphones, we'll get to see ipod-people looking ridiculous as they scroll furiously to keep their video in sync with the sound while walking down the street.

      It'll be beautiful, I tell you, especially if they walk into a lamp post while doing it.

    2. Re:Ugh... by Orgazmus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And if they do: why not implement movie playback in the first place?

      Because iPod Video will be avaiable in a couple a months with a $200 addon in price :)

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  4. oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Did we just slashdot his iPod?

  5. In other news... by Dominatus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Scientists built a car today that doesn't require any fuel at all!!

    All you do is put the car in neutral, grab a buddy and stand behind the car. Then, placing your hands on the rear bumper...push. Scientists believe it's such a simple process we may all be getting around in these miracle cars any day now!

    1. Re:In other news... by JabberWokky · · Score: 2, Funny
      Four hits of acid and stare really hard.

      Isn't that how BSD was coded?

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    2. Re:In other news... by rrkap · · Score: 4, Funny

      Scientists built a car today that doesn't require any fuel at all!!

      All you do is put the car in neutral, grab a buddy and stand behind the car. Then, placing your hands on the rear bumper...push. Scientists believe it's such a simple process we may all be getting around in these miracle cars any day now!/

      There is, however, considerable debate among scientists weather this cooperative mode of operation is superior to the single operator mode in which the user places his feet through a hole in the floor and runs really fast that has been proposed by F. Flintstone and B. Rubble

      No, I can't spell

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    3. Re:In other news... by Elminst · · Score: 5, Funny

      No.. the downside of the hill is easy. It's the upside that kills you.

      badum ching. ;)

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  6. Great Idea! by maeka · · Score: 4, Funny

    Not having enough cash for an Ipod - I'm going to use this idea with my 35mm slide projector.

  7. Time to upgrade? by fembots · · Score: 4, Funny

    Are all these "innovations" a sign that iPod is in need of a breakthrough? There are more portable players out there with more functions, and I wonder how long will Apple fans stick to it?

    For example, the new Creative's Zen Micro has FM, is someone going to pre-record some radio talk shows and put it into iPod pretending that it's doing radio too?

    1. Re:Time to upgrade? by beef+curtains · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe Griffin will release a new accessory, called the 'Mr iMicrophone': "Hey good looking... We'll be back to pick you up later!"

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    2. Re:Time to upgrade? by baudilus · · Score: 2, Insightful
      You can't be serious. I have an iPod, and yes, while FM is a great option - I use the iPod in my car. That's neither here nor there, since there are people that walk around outside with their music players as well... but that thing is even uglier than this iPod "video" hack. It's obviously an iPod look-alike - the blue backlight, the shape, the "touch" pad, the wired remote. Even in the description!
      There's no need to go round in circles with the ZEN MICRO's intuitive Vertical Touch Pad.

      An obvious swipe at the iPod's scroll wheel. Honestly, I have had several mp3 players in the past, and the iPod exceeds them. I have yet to see an interface as innovative, intuitive, and simple as the iPod's scroll wheel (I prefer the 3g to the 4g wheel with buttons). Besides the fact that headphones are awesome as far as earbuds go.

      Besides, it's only 5GB, and is only marginally smaller than the 40GB iPod.

      Cheaper != Better Don't hate the player, hate the game.
  8. Well.. by $0+31337 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sound impossible?

    No, Just stupid.

    1. Re:Well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      It highly depends. Can you hold the Ipod with one hand and scroll the wheel well? For, uhh.. never mind.

  9. That's pretty retarded right there by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 4, Informative


    Geesh. Why not just print all the frames out onto paper and make a flipbook?

    If you want a video player in an iPod's form factor, either sit tight for 2 years until a honest-to-goodness Video iPod to come out, or buy a Gmini 200 (Flash page).

    I chose the latter and haven't looked back.

  10. Video in Action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Here's a video (in mov or wmv) of the Episode III trailer in action...

    ...which can be played on an iPod, which someone can make a movie of... which can be played on another iPod, which...

    1. Re:Video in Action by morcheeba · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Here's a video of an iRiver playing a movie of an iPod photo trying to play a movie

      Since engadget is slow now (wonder why!), here's the text from the above link:

      We're the first to admit playing a "movie" on an iPod Photo by exporting the sound, and thousands of frames is as silly as it sounds, so ludicrous that we had to do a how-to on it. Now things are getting toally wacky, and already a video has turned up of someone watching a video on their iRiver H320 (an MP3 player which just recently acquired the ability to playback video clips) of us "watching" the new Star Wars trailer on our iPod Photo. It's getting mighty recursive in here.

      Read

  11. I used to have a paperback book that could... by SkyMunky · · Score: 5, Funny

    play movies too.
    I had to flip the pages and hum the soundtrack, but the hand-drawn stick figure animations were outstanding.

  12. Re:WTF? by Kenja · · Score: 4, Funny
    "Seriously, why is this news?"

    Can't you read? It says iPod right there in the subject line.

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  13. In other news... by dr00g911 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've determined a hack to make my original 20 gig iPod play holographic content in surround sound with no additional hardware needed!

    Four hits of acid and stare really hard. Much more elegant (by orders of magnitude) and less of a brute force approach than TFA.

  14. Why no videa on the new iPod? by 3770 · · Score: 5, Insightful


    What is more likely?

    1) The new color iPod does not have video because the hardware can't support it.
    2) Apple does not have a way to sell movies and videos on iTunes.

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    1. Re:Why no videa on the new iPod? by ortcutt · · Score: 2, Informative

      The chip which the iPod photo (and the 4G iPod) uses, the PP5020 (aka personal media player: photo edition) can play MJPEG video. MJPEG is basically a series of JPEG images though, so it's not far off what these clever folks have done. MJPEG playback could certainly be added in a firmware upgrade. Apple is probably waiting for new versions of the PortalPlayer chip that have real compressed video support before it sells an iPod billed as a video player. http://www.portalplayer.com/products/platforms_med iaplayer.html

  15. Or... by DaveCBio · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You could just buy a portable video player that does everything the iPod does and more for about the same price.

  16. Apple losing direction by xThinkx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Mod me as a troll of you wish, but I'm not trolling.

    I think the fact that so soon after the new ipod comes out people are brute forcing it to play movies is a demonstration that Apple may be losing its direction in innovation

    I'm an avid digital photographer, and in almost all of the photo boards I hang out on, the opinion of the photo ipod was generally disappointing. How hard would it have been to put a freakin CF card reader in it? How hard would it have been to enable movie playback in at least ONE format?

    The ipod was helped in its jump to the top by the fact that it was innovative, so much so that people were willing to ignore its high price tag. Apple missed two big opportunities on this one; movie playback AND easy storage transfer from camera media.

    I'm not buying a photo ipod now, but I would've in a second if it had those two features. Apple, I hope this is an isolated incident.
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    1. Re:Apple losing direction by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The ipod was helped in its jump to the top by the fact that it was innovative

      Nope. The iPod made its way to the top by being *simple*. No useless features. No features that *sort-of* work. No features that make the thing a pain-in-the-butt to deal with. It did 1 thing and did that 1 thing well, simply, and trouble-free. Now it does a couple things well, simply, and trouble-free.

      This isn't because Apple can't figure out how to do these things-- you just won't see it in a commercially available product until Apple feels it has it all worked out into a simple interface. And when I say simple, I mean like the scroll-wheel design for the interface, or the fact that there's only 1 in/out port (the dock connector). Apple likes their designs to be fool-proof.

      PS- You can transfer images from a digital camera, but you need an accessory.

    2. Re:Apple losing direction by thatshortkid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      it would be a correct mod, you are trolling.

      look, you want a card reader? fine, there it is. but to make it built in would be ludicrous. if they did put one in, it would probably not be the card of your preference, so adding even more slots would increase the bulk (and price) on the ipod. secondly, it's a (repeat after me) MUSIC PLAYER. yes, it can be used as a portable hard drive, but that's a niche market compared to its overall first use, bringing music to your ears.

      as for movies, nobody wants to walk before they can run around here. if they had added quicktime movie playback, everybody would be up in arms about why battery life sucks more than it already does. it only gets 5 hours of battery life as it is with STILL images! if you want a portable movie player now, these people can help you. although i doubt you'll like what they have, since again the card reader is an attachment and not built-in.

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    3. Re:Apple losing direction by EricHsu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're not a troll, but I do disagree with you. 1. The iPod didn't sell because of innovative features. It sold because of innovative interface and style (and herd-like fashion momentum). When it came out /. was crapping itself to talk about how stupid the device was because of... low features! Some things never change. 2. Jobs has said many people play music hundreds of times, and only few people play movies repeatedly. The fact that one guy did a 'cause it was there' kind of movie hack on the iPod does not make a market. Maybe as digital video gets easier (got to love those flash-card mini-camcorders, too bad about the shooting quality), the market will grow. 3. It costs money to squeeze features on. It's already expensive as it is. 4. If Apple 'missed' the opportunities, then who is taking advantage of it? Is anyone making money off of a portable mini movie player? I'm not convinced a market exists. My own consumer opinion is I'm not going to get a photo iPod, but I can see the market, especially for the output-to-TV features.

    4. Re:Apple losing direction by switcha · · Score: 3, Insightful
      How hard would it have been to put a freakin CF card reader in it? How hard would it have been to enable movie playback in at least ONE format?

      I've got a pretty decent camera. It doesn't use CF. How many readers you gonna pack in and keep the form factor desirable?

      As for video, if you've got a battery fashioned out of pixie dust and dreams that can power video for a reasonable amount of time (and keep the form factor down), I'm sure Apple would love to hear from you.

      Everybody wants, wants, wants. "Won't but one until it has _____!". There are other options or devices out there (including waiting for technology to catch up). Criticizing people or companies who owe you nothing is such a habit of this board, that I don't think a lot of people step back to look at how absurd it is when they get bent out of shape because _____ isn't catering to their specific checklist of desires.

      And to your point, if the fact people are doing it means that 'demand' demands it, then Apple must be way behind on adding LEDs and neon ground effects shit to their cases. Or adding wheels to the bottom. Or adding rubber cases to the iPod. Or...

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  17. ack by krunchyfrog · · Score: 5, Funny

    How the hell can you scroll a porn movie, hold a kleenex and rub the lamp at the same time?

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    1. Re:ack by jkovacik · · Score: 3, Funny

      Rub the lamp first, then have the genie hold the kleenex? :)

  18. What's the point of being able to play video? by arhar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Am I the only one who does not need this feature? I listen to my iPod when I'm on the train, when I'm walking somewhere, or when I'm working out.. all of these activities require using your eyes, so watching video is out of the question. Am in the minority here?

  19. joke of the day by l3v1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This sounded so really ridiculous, I had to read it again. Then, it seemed even more so :) I laughed so loud I hope the neighbors didn't think I went nuts :D

    So really, this is something a regular sane fellas would do with their iPods :D Oh, come on :)

    You even can grab a dead cat and pull it with a piece of rope, but it won't run, even if you mew in the process :D

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  20. GBA by KillaKen187 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Gameboy Advance SP can play movies too. No need to convert the files either. Just put on CF and go. :) My brother has one and it was pretty cool until he updated the firmware and broke it... bummer.

  21. Re:slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Your coral-fu is weak. It does not work.

  22. Alt links by BostonRob · · Score: 5, Informative

    Google Cache w/o photos: Google Link

    Mirrordot.org also has a copy available:Mirrordot.org

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  23. The next hack... by JediTrainer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Now I'm waiting for someone to visit Radio Shack, buy one of those little motors and hook that up to the scroll. Play with resistors to get it to the right speed.

    Bonus points if you can pull juice right from the iPod's battery...

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  24. OUCH! by bennomatic · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can someone say "Carpal Tunnel Syndrom"? That's begging for a repetetive stress injury, if you ask me!

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  25. Flick through static pictures, why of all the... by Trogre · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think I'll stick with my zaurus, thanks.

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  26. Printer hack by TWX · · Score: 4, Funny

    "This is like saying that your printer can play movies if you print out each frame and then flip through them.

    Get a Hewlett Packard Color LaserJet 4650DN (duplex for double-sided printing) and plug it into three-phase power and it'll print fast enough to do this...

    Of course, you won't be able to hear the soundtrack over the whine of rollers and gears burning themselves up...

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  27. This just in! by 1019 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Fantastic new invention found!
    Still images placed on a reel and handcranked through light and synched with a nearby phonograph result in what is being called a "motion picture".

    For this breaking story and more, stay tuned to our radio broadcast!

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  28. Wow by Powercntrl · · Score: 2, Funny

    Jerky low-res video, out of sync audio, why, it's a perfect pocket-size recreation of XingMPEG on my 486 laptop!

    Course, there's probably some old geezer who thinks us youngins have it real good cause in his day he had to crank the projecter by hand. Oh, wait...

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  29. iRiver H3xx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The US iRiver H320 and H340 models can playback XVID if you flash them with the recently release v1.20 Korean FW (iRiver is a Korean company). Don't worry, all the menus will still be in English. The video does need to be down-converted to the proper resolution and framerate before playback, but it is a trivial process that can be automated using VirtualDub or any other number of programs. At $300, the H320 is by far the most versatile DAP on the market, imo.

  30. Steve Jobs has critized portable video players. by joelhayhurst · · Score: 3, Informative

    Watch the Apple Special Event video from Oct 2004. Skip ahead to about 12:35 in the video. Jobs says, in a humorous fashion, that he believes the competition is making a mistake with video on portable players, and lists reasons he believes they are impractical.

    The arguments he makes are:

    • Competing video players are too heavy and cumbersome.
    • Users don't have video content.
    • The screens are too small.

    I think it's safe to say there won't be a video iPod.

    1. Re:Steve Jobs has critized portable video players. by Trejkaz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hey, it's not Steve's fault that he's living five years in the past.

      But he's pretty much right about the screen size... at least on his OWN product. Everyone else's video player screens are a good size.

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    2. Re:Steve Jobs has critized portable video players. by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Competing video players are too heavy and cumbersome.

      My Archos Gmini 400 is no larger or heavier than an iPod. And it was released 2 months prior to Jobs' statements.

      Users don't have video content.

      Sure I do! The challenge, and I will admit there's really no user-friendly way of doing this yet, is figuring out which files will play on it as is--that is, MPEG4-SP video AVI files (eg, DivX or XviD w/o bidi filtering), no more than 640x400 resolution, no more than 30fps, with IMA-ADPCM or MP3 CBR soundtrack--and figuring out how to convert other content to meet those specs (if possible).

      The screens are too small.

      Irrelevant. This is a PERSONAL video player.

      I can hold the 2.2" screen a foot away from my eyes, and it takes up the same amount of my viewing area as a 30" television across the room. Uses a whole lot electricity that way, too.

      Jobs would be smart not to put a Video iPod on the market NOW, but he would be foolish to NEVER put one out.

    3. Re:Steve Jobs has critized portable video players. by lpangelrob2 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I think it's safe to say there won't be a video iPod.

      I disagree... to support my position, you need only look at the prevalence of handheld TVs.

      Oh, wait...

  31. In related news: by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Funny

    It is possible to play movies using a book. Simple use Quicktime Pro to export the movie as thousands of individual frames, print each one, bind them together and flick through them really fast. Audio can be obtained by copying the soundtrack onto a cassette tape and listening to it with your walkman.

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  32. Easy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    if your this guy...

  33. Another chance for Apple to make me want an iPod.. by Silverlancer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    To start with, for you apple-crazed mods, this isn't a troll.

    iPods are nice. Now when I bought my mp3 player a year ago, I got a 20GB Lyra for $180. Since the cheapest iPod was $400, it was definitely worth it. Plus the Lyra didn't have the battery problems the first-gen iPods did, and it had considerably longer battery life.

    Well now iPods are lots cheaper. And they have somewhat better battery life, no dying batteries, and hold more. But if I wanted a new mp3 player today, I still wouldn't get an iPod. Because for the price of an iPod, I can get:

    1. A Creative Zen Touch 20GB, has a touch scroll similar to the iPod's and has 60-80% more battery life. Plus I save $90. And it looks cool like the iPod.

    2. A video player--larger than the Zen or the iPod, but plays both music, video, and all that.

    Now if the iPod, at $300, had number two in there... lets just say it might find its way into my budget :). Basically, Apple needs to solve this "there are better mp3 players for less" problem. They're not going to cut prices (see the fact that their computers cost twice that of an equivalent PC--I simply can't afford a decent G5), so they might as well make what they're already selling better.

  34. Re:WTF? by telstar · · Score: 3, Funny
    "Seriously, why is this news?"

    Can't you read? It says iPod right there in the subject line.
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  35. Re:Worse. Much MUCH Worse. by micromoog · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's spam. I'm not sure if you folks don't realize that, are in denial, or just don't care, but you're getting paid to send unsolicited advertisements. SPAM.