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Skype + Kazaa = ?

An anonymous reader writes "Kazaa has now embedded Skype in their v3.0 download." This isn't a surprising pairing, and it adds millions of VoIP users to the network ... the article also notes that this might bring out the spammers as well.

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  1. Re:Skype by Vicsun · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here is the wikipedia entry, and here is Skype's general FAQ which will probably answer any questions you have.

  2. So this means... by gad_zuki! · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'll be able to get calls from random strangers asking for songs? I guess I could sing them a few bars.

    1. Re:So this means... by TheMediaWrangler · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Skype uses 256-bit encryption, so the only easy way to intercept this kind of voice data would be to do it before it is encrypted by bundling Skype in an evil wrapper application like say... KAZAA

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    2. Re:So this means... by Mantorp · · Score: 5, Informative

      on regular skype if you accept calls from everyone and list yourself in the directory random people will call you all the time

    3. Re:So this means... by JPriest · · Score: 2, Interesting

      FYI, the company that made Kazaa also made Skype.

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    4. Re:So this means... by brianosaurus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...companies that make software whose primary purpose is helping folk to rip off copyright holders ...

      I'm so tired of this.

      The labels in the UK just announced they've had their best earnings ever. US music labels have increased revenue even while decreasing the quantity (and quality) of releases. If anyone is getting ripped off, its the consumers NOT the music companies.

      Downloads are an excellent way to preview music before you buy, so you can spend your $15 on music you know you will enjoy instead of being disappointed. Happy consumers will likely purchase more than those who get repeatedly burned buying 1-hit wonders.

      Not all p2p software is backed by unethical companies, and a lack of ethics isn't unique to that industry by any stretch of the imagination. The RIAA has hardly been ethical with their scare tactics.

      I do agree with your comment about the government.

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    5. Re:So this means... by anethema · · Score: 2, Informative

      The crypto is, in this case, mostly done right.

      It uses i believe a 2kbit RSA pub/priv key system to exchange the 256 bit AES key (i say believe because i might be wrong about the bit length).

      I say mostly done right because I'm not sure if there is a way to exchange pub/priv keys in person or thru any other way than just adding someone to your list. This may make it possible for someone to trick you into adding the wrong person, then doing a man in the middle attack on the diffie hellman exchange. Its pretty extensive lenghts to go thru, but if the govt wants to do it because they suspect a...TERRORIST (da da daaaaa), then they would probably try it.

      Skype does encryption right overall tho :0

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  3. Ooops... forgot the second link by Vicsun · · Score: 3, Informative
  4. I wonder who would use it. by SYSS+Mouse · · Score: 4, Interesting

    People using Kazaa in most cases would just leave Kazaa running in background and not bother using the messaging function. If they really want to chat to his peers, those DLers probably already know IRC which is in most cases, IRC is faster. Not to mention VoIP will compete for bandwidth from local computer, making both program slower.

    1. Re:I wonder who would use it. by someguy456 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, the average Kazaa user wouldn't know about IRC.

    2. Re:I wonder who would use it. by happyemoticon · · Score: 2, Informative

      Pardon my cliche, but most people I know who use Kazaa wouldn't know what IRC is if it bit them on the ass. I'm at a college, and, out of all my friends here, three know IRC: a goth, a metalhead, and a linux nerd; none of them use Kazaa, and neither do I. Face it, IRC's pretty damn geeky, and I'd rate the vast majority of current Kazaa users would give a blank, bovine stare if you said, "EFNet."

      BTW, is there any way to get Kazaa to not install a metric ton of adware, so I can stop yelling at people to not install it?

    3. Re:I wonder who would use it. by Arcanix · · Score: 2, Informative

      There used to be a Kazaa Lite version that didn't have all the crap in it but it seems hard to find these days. You could try Soulseek it's totally spyware/adware free and pretty decent.

  5. Ring Ring by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

    Beep....
    You: "Hang on, ive got another call"
    You: Click "Hello?"
    Caller: "Hello, this is the RIAA, stop singing happy birthday to your grandson on the other side of the world."

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    1. Re:Ring Ring by shird · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ring Ring...

      You: "Hello?"
      Madonna: "What the fuck do you think youre doing?"

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  6. P2P legitimate uses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a good thing.

    Let's please have legitimate uses for P2P so that the greedy fuckers at RIAA and MPAA can't run around trying to ban P2P on the basis that it only has detrimental uses.

    Imagine if cooking or hunting wasnt invented, knives would have been banned cause it would only be used for killing people.

    Think about it .. why is the bomb makin illegal?

    Ridiculous but true.

    1. Re:P2P legitimate uses by DaHat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ahh the typical stupid P2P zealot who thinks that copyright infringement, just because it hurts the MPAA and RIAA is ok.

      Yes, p2p does have legitimate purposes, unlike the VCR though, many services, including Kazaa are primarily used for copyright infringement.

      The reason they have gone after Kazaa and not say... the maker(s) of bit torrent, is that Kazaa was designed from the get go for copyright infringement. Bram Cohen didn't have downloading music and movies in mind, but legitimate content distribution, to quote from the BitTorrent website:

      You have a great product, many customers, and are delivering your product to hordes of happy customers online. Serving large files creates problems of scaling, flash crowds, and reliability. As you grow, they become more central to your business, but your bandwidth costs go up as well. It's a vicious cycle.

      There is a solution. BitTorrent is a simple software product which addresses all of these problems.


      Kazaa on the other hand, like Napster and many others were with... less legitimate purposes in mind.

      Besides... last I checked, the war the MPAA and RIAA had on P2P had nothing to do about it having no legitimate uses, but was how many users were using it.

      The moral of this story? You need to grow up and stop with your "nyeh, guns don't kill people, bullets do" style arguments and recognize both sides of this issue (one you weren't even able to identify), even if you happen to disagree with one or both sides.

    2. Re:P2P legitimate uses by Brakz0rz · · Score: 2

      What are you the RIAA talking points guy?

      Fuck the RIAA. The sooner they go out of business the sooner the music industry starts improving.

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    3. Re:P2P legitimate uses by Queer+Boy · · Score: 3, Insightful
      So uh, what if I were using a P2P program in a country that didn't recognise copyright. Would it be OK then?

      You seem to have the attitude that just because some people believe that IP is real and there are laws, that everyone should hold that view.

      Westerners...

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  7. This is a marriage made in heaven :-) by muditgarg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This looks like a win-win for both. Kazaa get the respectability it seeks and Skype get the huge customer base of Kazaa.
    Especially as recently Dutch Supreme Court ruled Kazaa legal

    1. Re:This is a marriage made in heaven :-) by arivanov · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No. It is a lose-lose.

      1. Kazaa does not become any more legitimate because Skype is not using anything in it. It is just a bundle. I suspect that it is not even using Kazaa information for supernode and relay selection which it definitely could have done. And as many other people have pointed out putting vitamins in a cigarette pack does not make the cigarettes eligible for the taxation levied on health product. It is still taxed as cigarettes.

      2. This will give a number of legitimate reasons for a list of usual suspects to go after skype. They are only waiting for an opportunity to open a broadside at it and they will grab the chance and run. I seriously doubt that Verizon would have taken such a tough "fight all subpoenas" stance if these subpoenas would have also cleaned competitors for its VOIP service.

      3. As a network admin I wipe both programs anywhere I see them for liability reasons, but many people have allowed Skype, but disallowed Kazaa. I suspect that they are going to disallow both now. This will take out people who are most likely to become paying skypeOut or In customers. At the same time a bunch of freeloaders will come along who are least likely to pay anything as long as they can. So this move will also hit Skype financially in the long run.

      4. The only reason I see for this move is a possible Skype IPO or digging for a new funding round. They are looking at a possibility to wave numbers at people with wallets and make a run once it becomes clear that the numbers are not related to anything substantial as far as finances go.

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    2. Re:This is a marriage made in heaven :-) by Trailwalker · · Score: 4, Funny

      And the happy couble will be called Skuzza

    3. Re:This is a marriage made in heaven :-) by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Kazaa get the respectability it seeks

      I'm afraid it'll go the other way; the illegal piracy associated with Kazaa will taint the name of Skype, and the latter using a peer-to-peer network setup can only worsen its image (consider the claim "see, all P2P is the same and illegal...even this phone software is included with music-swapping software").

  8. Re:Antitrust case? by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well in this case I say more power to them!

    Skype is fairly bloated which the OSS will have to deal with at some point but it is really an excellent program, I wish it supported other information about users such as ICQ #'s and MSN user names. This would make it integrate better with older IM's. But on the whole their business model is pretty good.

    They don't charge for fractions of a minute which they will eventually need to start doing but mostly I couldn't be happier with their business ethos.

  9. Spyware heaven by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful


    so skype are now bundling their product with a spyware brimming p2p application that costs more in technical support to remove it and the damage it does than the PC is worth ? /me adds skype to DNS 127.0.0.1

    1. Re:Spyware heaven by grolschie · · Score: 3, Informative

      A quote from their site:
      "Advertising - delivered by Cydoor and the GAIN Network"

      Cydoor and GAIN are definitely spyware.

  10. Will skype show a window correctly ?. by Gopal.V · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Or is it possible to "virtually" listen to your PC/house exploiting this ?.

    Btw, I like Skype ... and I don't use Kazaa (firewalls) , what's the point really ?...

    Mmm.. better get a tinfoil hat :)

    1. Re:Will skype show a window correctly ?. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Any machine with a connected microphone/camera can be turned into a spying device; just make sure the user executes some malign code that records data, compresses it into mpeg4 or the like, then sends it to some other host on the Net. I'm not aware of known worms that actually perform similar actions, but they're certainly out there, and/or easy to write and propagate. Another good reason not to use insecure operating systems such as any Windows incarnation.
      Also, don't forget to disconnect unused cameras and mikes on machines running different OSes too: no safe can ensure a loaded gun won't shoot; you have to remove all bullets.

  11. Smart move of Skype? by d95adam · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Skype have been working quite hard to distance themselves from their Kazaa roots. Even if the their product has been great, many people have been wondering if they inluded spyware into the Skype installation, just like Kazaa. And now this!

    Note: I'm a happy Skype user myself, but I can see that this might lead to their reputation taking a plunge.

    1. Re:Smart move of Skype? by InodoroPereyra · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I have to agree here. The reason for them to do this seems to be their hunger for new users.

      My feeling is that their business plan was:

      1. Release a great product: IM and VoIP in a cute small package that just works eveywhere (Windows, Macs, Linux). PC to PC calls are free, PC to Phone calls is their revenue (they charge for them)
      2. Make the product massively popular
      3. Get a steady revenue from a small percentage of the huge user base, making PC to Phone calls
      Problem is, step 2 didn't go very well. They have a nice user base, but it seems not to be large enough for their needs.

      I am a happy Linux Skype user myself, and I buy skypeout PC-Phone talk time regularly. My feeling from the tone of the skype employees posts in the forums is that they need to increase their user base, and they need it soon. Good luck to them. I would prefer an OS product, but skype installed in a snap and it just works, at least for me.

  12. Re:Skype by Linker3000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...And so we add to 'RTFA' the new acronym 'LTFG' = Learn To Farkin' Google

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  13. P2P going towards a friends network by t_allardyce · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I guess it makes it into more of a friends network. In the end the RIAA is going to have to sue real friends who swap CDs, send music over their IM file-transfer and listen to eachothers streams. Hows it going to look the next time they sue someone who's been sharing songs with his sister on Kazaa?

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  14. Re:Antitrust case? by Spad · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Kazaa hardly has a monopoly on P2P software

  15. Do people still use Kazaa? by Nine+Tenths+of+The+W · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I thought everyone had switched by now.

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    1. Re:Do people still use Kazaa? by Espectr0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To what? The fasttrack protocol is still the best and most populated one to get files. Edonkey just sucks, requiring you to hunt servers, and have share ratios. Gnutella just doesn't cut it either.

      I use poisoned on macosx, which is a pretty UI on top of gift.

    2. Re:Do people still use Kazaa? by Mr2001 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I guess you haven't used eMule.. it uses the ED2K network and its own decentralized Kad network. No share ratios, no server hunting - the ED2K server list comes preloaded, and it discovers new servers and switches between them automatically. You can even search all servers with a single query.

      The only problem with eMule is that you spend most of your time waiting in queue, especially if you don't have any parts of the file to share. A movie can take a few days to download. It works slowly, but surely.

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  16. And what about... by Tuxedo+Jack · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How about the fact that Kazaa includes spyware like mad? How much you want to bet that there'll be speech-recognition software (a la that in OS 9) that picks up on keywords in calls and uses Kazaa's adware to create popups based on it?

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  17. Re:Nice... by ilyanep · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...how long before the RIAA can come and find you by voice analysis?

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  18. Hmm... by Mathiasdm · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wait a minute... You mean I can actually combine spyware, viruses AND receiving phone calls from total strangers? Wow!

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  19. Skype is only for kids anyway by blackhedd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Until they stop dissing SIP and play nice in the sandbox with the rest of the world, kids are all they'll get.

    1. Re:Skype is only for kids anyway by Nurgled · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The proprietary technology always (since the Internet has become popular with non-geeks) wins. See Jabber vs. AIM/MSN Messenger.

      Branding and prettiness always wins over technical superiority, especially in a world where most people are stuck behind awkward NAT gateways that they don't really understand. SIP might be open and friendly, but it's a royal pain in the ass to deploy for most home users, especially if you get two people behind the same NAT gateway wanting to use it.

  20. Skype is.. by R0 · · Score: 2, Informative

    hype (the comment halfway down the page sums it up nicely.)

  21. And how long before voice ads? by binaryspiral · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So I get a P2P client with more spyware than a warez site, and now they shove a voip client in it - will they also generate audio ads?

    I don't understand why Kazaa is still being used when there are so many other viable P2P clients out there that won't harm your PC.

  22. Re:Questions about Skype by thakadu · · Score: 2, Informative

    >Does anybody know of a IP service that allows all of these services?

    http://www.vonage.com/

  23. Bandwidth? by Kerhop · · Score: 3, Funny

    Will VOIP have any bandwidth left to use when there's also Kazaa and spyware traffic on the line?

    1. Re:Bandwidth? by rsgill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think the main idea behind this is to defelct lawsuits.

      By having Skype embedded with Kazaa, they have a very strong case for proving non copyright infringing use of their product.

      Whether or not there is any bandwidth left to make this merging of Skype and Kazaa work on the other hand is still in question.

  24. Why not? by Commander+Trollco · · Score: 2

    Why shouldn't we be in favor of copyright infringement? It isn't clearly a crime, but legally. Not morally though. The owners of the guaranteed word the rights author of material often they suffer the "harm" ; and loss" "economic; to result to copy illegal. As the majority of the arguments propose by enthusiasts of copyright, it holds little water - for several reasons: The complaint is most of the time vague , presupposes that one person copying differently would have bought a copy of editor. Is from time to time true, but more often false; and when it is false, the claimed loss does not occur. The complaint is partially fallacious because the "loss" of word; suggest events in very different matter -- events in which something they have is carried away. For example, if the actions of bookstore's of the books were burned, or if in the register obtained torn, which would be really "loss." ; We generally agree is erroneous to make these things with copies. But when your friend avoids the need to buy a copy duun delivers, the bookshop and editor do not lose anything they had. More suitable description would be than the bookshop and l editor obtains less income than they could have. The same consequence can result if your friend decides to play the bridge instead of reading a book. In a system of the open market, any business isn't authorized to cry "foul" ; just that the prospective customer chooses not to treat them. The complaint requests the question because the loss idea of the "loss" ; on hypothesis the this have" is founded; of "should the editor; obtained paid. That is founded on hypothesis that copyright exists and prohibits to copy individual. But is just issue current: what copyright should it cover? If the public decides they can divide copies, then editor not authorized to hope to be paid each copy, and thus there cannot claim is a "loss" ; when it not. In other terms, the "loss" ; come from the system of copyright; this not an inherent part to copy. Copying in oneself evils nobody. Sorry, I am not english specialty.

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  25. skype problems by steve_l · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1. your contact list is stored per machine, not on the server. When your machine goes (like my laptop got stolen last week), your contact list is gone. They should at least cache known skype users.

    2. tone generation dubious. not good for getting through onto conference calls reliably.

    3. no caller ID. so you cannot call people with a private-caller block unless you enter the phone number by hand. Which leads back to issue #2

    4. the credit expires if you dont use it.

    Otherwise, its an excellent service for long distance networking, and the linux client works great.