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Microsoft Launches Blogging Site

Jeff Clark writes "In yet another attempt to take over all of the Internet, MSN has launched a blog service called MSN Spaces with the new version of MSN Messenger due out shortly. Features include comments, stats and trackbacks just like every other blog out there. Another built-in feature is also available where you can send pictures from your camera-phone directly to your Space. Now you can let Mom know just exactly what happened at that party last night!" Reader JDBaker adds, "Microsoft have released the first public beta of MSN Messenger 7. It can be downloaded direct from Microsoft, and carries the same build number as the recent private beta release. New features include: Winks, Set Status Before Login, Drag and Drop Backgrounds and Feedback."

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  1. Because thats what we all want. by -kertrats- · · Score: 5, Funny

    Animated smilies that make noise. The illiterates at my school are gonna be overjoyed at the prospect. I'm just going to be annoyed.

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    1. Re:Because thats what we all want. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh god what I'd give to go back to a text based internet of the 80's where my usenet reader didn't have to decode animated GIF's, my e-mail client didn't have to understand MIME attachments, emotions were just :-) and chat was BITNET Relay...

    2. Re:Because thats what we all want. by onepoint · · Score: 5, Funny

      A helicopter was flying around above Seattle when an electrical malfunction disabled all of the aircraft's electronic navigation and communications equipment.

      Due to the clouds and haze, the pilot could not determine the helicopter's position. The pilot saw a tall building, flew toward it, circled, and held up a handwritten sign that said "Where am I?" in large letters. People in the tall building quickly responded to the aircraft, drew a large sign, and held it in a building window. Their sign said "You are in a Helicopter."

      The pilot smiled, waved, looked at his map, determined the course to steer to SEATAC airport, and landed safely. After they were on the ground, the copilot asked the pilot how he had done it.

      "I knew it had to be the Microsoft Building, because they gave me a technically correct but completely useless answer."

      Onepoint

      p.s. Just need to make you all laugh. Have a cup of coffee on me.

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    3. Re:Because thats what we all want. by ch-chuck · · Score: 5, Funny

      the copilot asked the pilot how he had done it.

      "I knew it had to be the Microsoft Building, because they gave me a technically correct but completely useless answer."


      Then then co-pilot says, "Gee, you must be a Linux user". "How did you know that?" says the Pilot. "Because here you are in a broken helicopter, you didn't know where you were, and suddenly now it's Microsoft's fault".

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    4. Re:Because thats what we all want. by aichpvee · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's because micros~1 can't even innovate their own jokes, they have to be stolen from another company.

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  2. And I have no doubt... by Tuxedo+Jack · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That MS will bundle this with the next version of Windows, thus going up against LiveJournal and taking a large percentage of the new bloggers with it.

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    1. Re:And I have no doubt... by Paska · · Score: 3, Interesting

      While we are on the subject of messenger, and bundling it with their OS.

      Does anyone want to tell me why Microsoft make both MSN Messenger, and Windows Messenger? And why Windows Messenger (The featureless version) was added into WinXP and now MSN Messenger?

    2. Re:And I have no doubt... by Billly+Gates · · Score: 3, Funny

      They wouldn't do that.

      That would be illegal and unethical. This is Microsoft we are talking about here. Last thing they want is the DOJ investigating them and breaking them up.

    3. Re:And I have no doubt... by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I heard the same thing with MS Media player and IIS taking over apache since apache required Unix.

      OMG MS is going to bundle it with Windows and kill the market. Well Media player is number 2 but still can't budge winamp and custom video players. IIS is not going anywhere either besides corporate America.

    4. Re:And I have no doubt... by rp8774 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Windows Messenger is more for corporate networks and supports Exchange internal messaging.

      MSN Messenger is the consumer version with more frills and contains advertising and other useless things. This version doesn't support Exchange messaging.

    5. Re:And I have no doubt... by imsabbel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Media player number 2?
      Forget it.
      Just about EVERYBODY i know who used a computer and isnt a nerd uses wmp, because thats with the computer when he/she gets it...
      Installing a 3rd party media player is allready an act of deeper understanding of computers...

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  3. An even better feature by l1nuxpunk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Another new feature of the MSN beta that the article fails to mention is it's un-godly amount of bloat.

    Seriously, does anyone really need the Nudge function? To all those of you who don't use MSN (whom I hold the deepest respect for, btw), all Nudge does is shake your window and the recipients window in some weird kind of internet seizure.

    Looks like I'm going to migrate back to IRC.

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    1. Re:An even better feature by pmjordan · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you're looking for a better IM network, why not try Jabber? There are loads of clients out there, which won't break, since the protocol is entirely open. If your client of choice doesn't support other networks, you can talk to people who aren't on jabber using server-side 'transports' to connect to other networks via Jabber itself.

      ~phil

    2. Re:An even better feature by thepoch · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yahoo Messenger has this same feature. It's called the Buzz feature. You buzz a person, it goes "Ding Dong!!!" and shakes the window and sets it on top. I've done it to annoy a few people. I put in "I'M NOT WORKING" in big bright red colored font, then shake the window. If the boss is looking, then I've hit jackpot. This is the reason I use gaim. When someone buzzes me, I get a *Buzz* text. Nothing more.

    3. Re:An even better feature by NSash · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I thought the grandparent was trying to move away from un-godly bloat.

    4. Re:An even better feature by Thorog+the+Slasher · · Score: 2, Funny

      Seriously, does anyone really need the Nudge function? To all those of you who don't use MSN (whom I hold the deepest respect for, btw), all Nudge does is shake your window and the recipients window in some weird kind of internet seizure.

      And I suppose if you nudge it too many times, the title bar displays "TILT!" and all the lights go out?

  4. They all look the same by amrust · · Score: 2, Informative

    From clicking on the link, you can also visit some of the "recently updated Spaces" (Spaces, heh). My blog is plain as a loaf of bread, sure. But at least it looks semi-original. Maybe they'll add some "skins", with an equally original twist on the name for them.

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  5. Forgotten new feature by smooth+wombat · · Score: 5, Funny
    New features include: Winks, Set Status Before Login, Drag and Drop Backgrounds and Feedback."

    They forgot to include the ability to have your system come to a crawl at an even faster pace with quicker ad and spam delivery

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  6. Missing product for Google? by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was reading through the list of things Microsoft were adding, thinking that it's just another place Google are at already, then I realised that while there's Gmail, there's no Gmessenger or similar as far as I'm aware.

    How long do you reckon before Google launches such a thing, potentially pushing MSN Messenger out the market? :-)

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    1. Re:Missing product for Google? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Gmessenger has been mentioned in slashdot before and is being worked on. I think Google plans to make it archivable like gmail with unique features. Who knows.

      But yes I was thinking of the same thing when I read the story. WHen MS does it they are evil and taking over the world and the net. When Google does it they are innovative.

      MS has alot to fear with google. They are the number one threat probably over Linux if I were Billy Gates. :-)

      If Google makes inroads with the desktop then it would leave MS's advantage on using Windows on the server mute which is the only reason people run w2k in the server room.

    2. Re:Missing product for Google? by shird · · Score: 4, Informative

      They have "hello"

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    3. Re:Missing product for Google? by Arbin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      *DISCLAIMER* I work for Google.

      There is a 'gmessenger' application being worked on. It is not named, 'gmessenger', but rather, something marketable.

      It's interface is typical Google. Clean and uncluttered. It's very similiar in functionality to some of the more popular jabber/gaim clients (in both appearance /and/ function *wink* )

      It uses targeted advertising based upon current text typed as part of any conversation (There is a middle text box used for this purpose)

  7. Spin... by Sheetrock · · Score: 5, Insightful
    In yet another attempt to take over all of the Internet, MSN...

    How about, "In yet another attempt to make the Internet relevant to the average person?" Why is this a laudable goal for everybody but Microsoft to strive towards?

    To have a one-stop shop for communication is pretty much what it's all about. E-mail, instant messaging, fax, voice, photos, movies, TV, radio, and the blog (considered to be the future of websites) converging in a simple-to-use way. This should be something to look forward to.

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    1. Re:Spin... by Winterblink · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, but this is /. we're talking about. When Firefox releases a new version everyone's all raving about how it's a great competitor to IE, that competition is good and that IE is going to die off because of it. Then when MS releases a new blog it's suddenly an attempt to take over the world, and when THEY introduce a little competition it's suddenly a reason to pick up the pitchforks and light the torches.

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    2. Re:Spin... by Mant · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Becuase what you likely end up with is something from MS that does everything badly, is buggy and insecure. Plus, if it does kill the competition, they will stop adding anything new worthwhile.

      Of course, maybe this offering from MS will be different.

  8. All of your bloggers are belong to us! by deletedaccount · · Score: 5, Funny

    Great. MS making it easier for another swathe of barely litterate nobodies to spout off uninformed bollocks on the internet. Not like erm, us... erm. Bugger. *gets coat*

  9. Comparing to blogger, it is very limited. by WARM3CH · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've just took a look at MSN spaces. It's interface to create the weblog and change its layout is interesting and very easy to use. But my main concern is that it is very limiting. You can't edit the template in the way you can do it like in Blogger (which is now owned by Google). In blogger you can edit the HTML file that is the template of your weblog and this gives you the control on EVERYTHING but in MSN spaces you can just play with the layout of predefined "module" but can't really change the code behind. Also, it seems the total space allocated to each weblog is very small (10MB). Plase notice that it also includes the space for the photos and "music" so you can imagine you can't expect much from it. The other problem is that there is no support for internationalization: you can't create a chines, korean, arabic, persian... blog! You can't change the stylesheets to support RTL paragraphs etc. All in all, it's nice, but very limited. It's like comparing the notepad to Ultra-Edit....

    1. Re:Comparing to blogger, it is very limited. by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2, Informative

      As long as its bundled with Windows it will be a killer. It doesn't have to be as good. Just more installed and popular. Microsoft learned this along time ago and I still appauled how Windows 3.11 and 95 beat Os/2 as a result.

  10. Destroying internet darwinism by dnaboy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Dammit-

    MS is trying to do it again. They're trying to break down any barriers to setting up a blog. Great. Now I can be chastized for not reading my 8 year old cousin's blog, or even better, my 90 year old grandmother's.

    What happened to the days when there was SOME barrier to entry, that at least made you put a LITTLE thought and energy into feeling important enough that people should read your every thought?

    1. Re:Destroying internet darwinism by NCraig · · Score: 2, Funny
      What happened to the days when there was SOME barrier to entry, that at least made you put a LITTLE thought and energy into feeling important enough that people should read your every thought?


      This is either brilliant sarcasm or incredible irony.
  11. Re:private areas to the blog by jtcedinburgh · · Score: 3, Informative

    Try WordPress. Open source, PHP/MySQL based, nice. jtc

  12. Too much freedom of information by kyouteki · · Score: 2, Funny

    "...now you can let Mom know just exactly what happened at that party last night!" How many people are going to tell their mom what happened at the party last night? O.o I mean, that was between me and that blond chick, and only because we were drunk...

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    1. Re:Too much freedom of information by saintp · · Score: 2, Funny

      OMG! You played Doom with a girl???? Lucky bastard.

  13. Blogging Services useless to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Quite personally, I prefer spending $50 a year on a Custom DNS and my own private domain than putting my stuff on anyone elses server.
    What I do is this:
    1) Go get a Custom DNS from DynDNS.org.
    2) Go get a Domain Name from a selection of many different registrars.
    3) Go set up a box running Gentoo, Debian, SuSE, or FreeBSD, and install Apache.
    And then boom. I'm the master of my own domain, for the low-low price of $50 per year. thats an average of $4 a month for hosting, totally within your control.
    I can even give subdomains to the people I like, considering if I have enough bandiwdth. But that isn't a problem considering many Canadian ISP's offer over 800kbps upstream.

    1. Re:Blogging Services useless to me. by finkployd · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think you are missing the point. That $50 a year gets him more than you get. 2GB of disk? Heck my smallest machine has a 30GB disk in it. Unlimited email? Try unlimited services. Want to run Secure IMAP? A jabber server? Any server software you want? Your own virtual servers for friends? You can do all of that when you own and control the machine. Paying for a tiny amount of disk space on someone else's server and being limited to the server software they let you run does not appeal to everyone.

      Of course, more and more ISPs are blocking ports (like 80) in the aim of protecting users, so they are ceasing to be "internet service" providers and turning into "client gateways", but I digress.

      Finkployd

  14. The Nudge function is essential. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more?

  15. Re:private areas to the blog by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I mean to use it like a diary?

    Not to sound like a Luddite, but why would you need a web-log in order to keep a personal journal? If you want a personal diary, you could just turn on your laptop/desktop and use your word processor. Or, you could just purchase paper and ink and start writing. Or am I completely missing the point somehow?

  16. Re:private areas to the blog by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2, Informative

    Livejournal also has the private feature if you have to read your private entries outside of your computer/house.

    Livejournal supports custom groups who can read your journal. This means your close friends, work associates, or your friends excluding your wife when you want to bitch about your relationship or work without certain people reading it.

    Livejournal also supports communities you can hide for porn viewing....looks innocent.

    I prefer an online portal like Livejournal because it has a ton of features and is ahead of blogger and everything else plus communities to meet people with all sorts of interests.

  17. And not forgetting... by shird · · Score: 2, Informative

    New features include: Winks, Set Status Before Login, Drag and Drop Backgrounds and Feedback.

    And, as been mentiond, a huge amount of bloat. Plus 'buy emoticons', 'backgrounds', 'winks' etc spam littered throughout the program with direct links to MS sites to buy shitty little pictures which you can get for free. The "for sale" emoticons are more prominently placed and larger and in the way than the emoticons you actually use. The whole thing is just a way to sell that crap. A blantent sell out.

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  18. Irrelevant Links by echocharlie · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why the links to "every other blog"? Those are not blog sites, just links to blogging software. More appropriate links would have been to sites like these.

  19. First Microsoft blog by robyannetta · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hi, my name is Rob, and I'm a Linux advoc*$#*&^ NO CARRIER ^^^^^^^^^^^^

    HELLO. MY NAME IS ROB AND I AM A MICROSOFT ADVOCATE.

    [insert MSN advertisments here]

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  20. Agreed by yup+that's+me · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is what businesses do: they attempt to gain control of as many markets as possible, and it's becoming clear that blogging is a new market. Argue against the quality of the software, point out that Microsoft seems to be lacking in innovative new ideas, argue that people really shouldn't try to make money from the internet, claim that customers might get better products by having companies specialise in providing only a few really good services rather than having fingers in thousands of pies, but don't bitch against Microsoft for doing what profit-making companies try to do, which is be involved in whole markets as the best way to get rid of competition and therefore the best way to make money.

  21. Moderation? by MacGod · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wonder if there will be moderation of blogs. If for example, I create a vehemently anti-Microsoft blog (possibly one that borders on slander), will the block/censor it? How does this work on other blogs?

    I think the question is more valid for Microsoft's blog service because there are more anti-Microsoft people than anti-Google people (or whatever). And many of the anti-Microsoft people would find it cute or ironic to post an anti-Microsoft blog on Microsoft's own servers.

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  22. Blogim by tinla · · Score: 2, Informative


    BlogIM has allowed you to update your blog via IM for ages.

    (Although the site is a tad stalled. And it remains, as is famously the case for all the author's projects, about 2 weeks from true completion).

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  23. Browser wars by Leeesher · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Note: With the latest version of Internet Explorer you can take advantage of richer customization options." is the message it shows when I use firefox. Slick m$. Slick. Although.. in all honesty, when I read that, I did think.. "hm...maybe I SHOULD dust off good ol' IE and see how it looks.."

  24. Missing New Feature by ThatDamnMurphyGuy · · Score: 2, Interesting
    New features include: Winks, Set Status Before Login, Drag and Drop Backgrounds and Feedback.


    The only new feature I want to see is for MSN Messenger to stop fargin using IE even though I set my default browser to Firefox!

    Even if I setup a new computer for someone and hide IE, and insteall Firefox, the minute they hit that damn "x new messages" email popup in Messenger, they're using IE and the viri/spyware starts rolling in.
  25. Re:private areas to the blog by BrianGa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Perhaps he is afraid of hard drive failure as well as fire/flood/pet's teeth. I would be tempted to use gmail...just continuously replying to the same thread and archiving.

  26. Re:private areas to the blog by ambienceman · · Score: 2, Informative

    As the previous commenter said, LiveJournal lets you blog "privately" You can set filters on each post you make. From totally private (only you can see) to totally public. It allows you to make lists of people that are allowed to view it when they're logged into LiveJournal. So If I only want Old Koreans on my friends list to be able to view my posts, I can make a list of OLD Koreans, choose that as the filter for a certain post (or as the default filter for posting) and it's done.

    You can check mine here btw: http://www.livejournal.com/users/ambienceman

  27. blog = mirror for narcissist?? by B5_geek · · Score: 4, Funny

    As if the "internet-generaton" isn't full enough of themselves, why dear $deity are blogs so bloody popular?

    I just don't get it. If you are so self-absorbed that you feel the need to publish every thought & whim about yourself on the web (as if the anybody on the planet actually cared about you), how/why would you then go searching for and reading other peoples mutterings?

    As a previous person stated, there used to be a barrier to entry that prevented a lot of this drivel from poluting the electrons; but alas now it's easy to whine and pout in public.

    I think Fight Club got it right: "You are not a beautiful & unique butterfly." We are faulty-carbon units that need a swift kick in the ass more then we are getting.

    People please, get over yourselves. * If you agree with anything that I have stated here, please come to my blog at http://blah.blah/ at sign my guestbook! **

    *PS: I was not refering to any of the beautiful butterflies that visit /.
    **PPS: For the humour impaired - I was joking

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    1. Re:blog = mirror for narcissist?? by finkployd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Some of them are truly interesting and insightful. The rest are of no consequence, and their existence does not bother me.

      Just like everything else on the internet.

      Just like everything else in the real world.

      Finkployd

  28. Blogger by mtrupe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seems to me that Blogger is already taking over the blog space. It seems that MS is a day late and a dollar short in this arena. MS seems doesn't seem to compete very well in the Internet arena (outside of Explorer, and people are now discovering the Firefox is a much better browser). Once you have a blog, its hard to switch blog providers. http://fromthemorning.blogspot.com/

  29. Re:yawn: another MS copycat product by finkployd · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The difference is that these products are coming from people volunteering their free time to write them. They are scratching a specific itch, or filling a need by producing software that in some cases is better than commercial counterparts.

    Microsoft is spending billions on R&D, hiring the best minds it can, so I would hope they are being held to a higher standard than some geeks who write software for themselves and their friends. Yet we see that even with this diference, Microsoft still just ends up copying everyone else and making (in many cases) poorer quality software than the open source geeks.

    Finkployd

  30. Re:yawn: another slashdot copycat post by torqer · · Score: 2, Funny
    Probably the same day when they realize that have a common look and feel and easy of use means a lot more to Joe Sixpack than being able to edit the html code on his blog.

    I'm not saying no features is better, but I'm not certain how many people I'd trust with features like that. Some people can use it effectively, others... not so much. For Instances, how many the "geek" slashdotters forget to close the Italics/bold tags and type the remainder of the their message an annoyingly hard to read font?