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WeAz writes "Dark Horizons has an update on the currently filming Doom Movie. The article sums up the history of the production thus far and also includes a cool tidbit that reveals 'a large number of sequences will be shot purely in "first-person" perspective of the leading character (Karl Urban).' Unfortunately, the article also reports that 'The monsters aren't from hell, but rather people mutated by some nasty super-virus although the monsters look very similar to those in the game.' Sounds like a version of 28 Days Later based on Mars to me."
Look at the possibilities. They can save lots of money without having actors on screen. But... we can take it further! If they just put this in a really dark setting or envoirment.. We'll simply pretend there's lots of pretty monsters and scenery everywhere.
I read yesterday somewhere that the movie doesn't take place on Mars anymore either. It supposedly happens on some planet or base somewhere else in the galaxy or something. =[
What... did the producers look at R.E. and went wow, let's incorporate some ideas from that as well so that we have a bigger fanbase!
...not because the movie will be bad, but because the first-person perspective is likely to upset your inner ear balance and cause you to feel queasy. Think Blair Witch Project.
How am I supposed to fit a pithy, relevant quote into 120 characters?
The first person view sounds cool, could inspire a new film technique (much like the Matrix's bullet time), but the old fashoned film technique of messing with a well-loved plot seems to be going strong.
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Why the choice not to have the monsters we know and love from HELL, not another MSV (Mutated Super Virus).
Are people afraid to mention the word HELL anymore? Jesus christ, Jesusland is taking over!
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Sounds like a version of 28 Days Later based on Mars to me."
It's already done, and called "Ghosts of Mars".
And it came the year before "28 days later".
I always thought 'BFG'[9000] was an acronym for something else ......
The virus plotline is so played out these days. I don't understand why Hollywood feels the need to change an element like monsters coming from Hell to monsters being mutated by a virus. Has Hell somehow become taboo? For the Dawn of the Dead remake, I was worried that they would change the whole zombies from hell concept because the original tagline was "When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth." Fortunately, they left it intact. It's disappointing that a game so based off of demons from Hell is being changed over into the old virus mutation thing. It's already so overused.
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Um, we're talking about Doom, right? What plot? From what I can recall the plot went something like "Demons. Bad. Kill them all."...
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It isn't on Mars.
Monsters aren't from Hell.
SWAT instead of space marines.
Super-virus?
Can you REALLY call this DOOM? Why do they bother? Doom fans are gonna be angry, and for the rest, the movie could have been called Resident Evil IIV : It gets crappier anyway.
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For any Hollywood executive:
1) Acquire creative control
2) Change everything except the name
3) Profit!
Hollywood, like all business, is only interested in brands, not products. Therefore it is only the title that matters, not the plot.
Happens with nearly every adaptation of any existing book/comic book/game into a movie.
Creative people should have creative control. Irrefutable example of success: The Incredibles
Business people should not have creative control. Irrefutable example of total failure: Lion King 1 1/2
Business isn't willing to pay for products, innovation and careers, so we get brands, mortgage commercials and layoffs.
The first lesson in scriptwriting school is that most movies follow a three-act structure. What will the three acts be in the Doom movie?
Act I: Shooting anything that moves
ACt II: Sweepin up the giblets
Act III: Shooting anything that moves
To the other posts blaming this on the "Religious Right:" If they talk about Hell, you complain. If someone else REMOVES the word "Hell", you complain. Which is it? They're talking about Hell too much, or not enough?
Besides, the "Religous Right" is a myth. They're religious alright, but they're not Christian, and they're not conservative. They would do good to read what the Bible has to say about religion.
Bah. Might as well just call it "Barbie in Space" and have done with.
It's mainly for the same reason that books aren't written in first person more often. It is very very difficult to do well.
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There are a number of things an author can't write into a story without a narrator. It also limits all knowledge of the world to the interpretation of one character. Very difficult to write a good story in first person.
Now, the REAL accomplishment would be to produce the movie in second person.
Business isn't willing to pay for products, innovation and careers, so we get brands, mortgage commercials and layoffs.
They are doing the whole thing in-game, the $70 million is for the GFX card.
Sounds like a version of 28 Days Later based on Mars to me."
Funny, it sounds like a market share placed, demographically targeted pile of cliched froth from where I'm siting.
To think that Phillip K Dick never made a cent on his books and died poor before recieving a cent on Bladerunner - and this thin "plot" from a video game makes it to the movies.
The boys at ID will be glad for the money, but it doesn't sound like great sci-fi, let alone art.
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Also, the probable final twist:
Space marine discover Statue of Libert half-buried in sand, realizes the remote planet was actually Earth, and shouts "You maniacs! You blew it up! Damn you! God damn you all to nasty super-virus!"
"The monsters aren't from hell, but rather people mutated by some nasty super-virus although the monsters look very similar to those in the game" Oh, and it's not on Mars anymore.
Ok, show of hands: who here is sick and tired of directors or producers who want to do a movie based on a game, but who can't get around their personal preferences and start making major changes to the story? Take this "they're not from Hell" and "it's not on mars" thing.
Whoever made the change is probably thinking "Oh, I don't like religion, and I don't believe in Hell, so let's come up with a pseudo-scientific premise instead... Viruses seem to be pretty popular lately, and 28 Days Later was a big hit... It'll be easier to convince the money people if we're copying a successful franchise... Let's do a virus. Hell is so passe..."
And he's probably thinking "Mars? There is nothing on mars but red dirt. And it isn't sexy enough. Let's make it a planet far, far away. And let's make the Pinky demon a loveable character so people will be conflicted when it attacks! Yes, that will be interesting."
And as far as the armor goes, well, they're probably just being cheap. It's easier to Ebay for used SWAT team armor than to build realistic DOOM armor, isn't it? Course it is. And all movie directors/producers "know" that we're all too stupid to know the difference, anyway. Bastards...
If I could get a few of these boors into a tiny, windowless room and apply a cluebat to them, I would simply say that if you're going to adapt a game, KEEP THE FUCKING STORY. Keep the characters and technology. KEEP THE LOOK OF THE ENVIRONMENT. Keep the main idea intact. You don't have to make the movie a shot-by-shot copy of the game, but for Christ's sake, don't change everything! Tone down the ego, boys, and up the humility.
Not like there's any chance of that. VIdeo-game movies are going to continue to suck forever more because of the immense egos of the people with enough power and money to produce/direct. There's no help for it.
We're better off just playing the games themselves, and letting the movies die out from disappointing box office returns.
NOTE, and COUNTEREXAMPLE: I thought Alien Vs. Predator wasn't bad, because they staged the movie in "the past" (still our future), predating all the games and other movies, and adding in some tasty backstory (how Weyland-Yutani got started, why they're so interested in aliens and predators, etc). So obviously SOME people can get it right.
That movie's only problem was insufficient Predator-Alien whoop-ass. Maybe they had a shortage (only a few cans got delivered?).
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The game, with upside-down crosses and 666 symbols has been successful, three times. Why wouldn't the movie be?
Political correctness is making this world a disaster.
When they make something on par with Alien, Aliens, or Event Horizon. Aliens was part of what Doom was based on. In fact, Doom originally used an Aliens license.
The next time I go to a horror or horror action film, I want to be deeply disturbed. The new Texas Chainsaw Massacre did that for me. Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection both missed it entirely (even though Resurrection did have some xenoeroticism, hehe). We need more original horror films.
Hell and body mutilation tend to be pretty good ways to disturb me. Event Horizon had both. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre had both. Aliens a Hellish evironment plus body mutilation. Alien had the latter.
If Doom the movie has people being cut open, internal organs spread out on the operating table, hung by hooks, and surrounded by Satanic symbols, I might watch it. If Doom has wall textures that look like spinal cords, sewn skin, pipes of blood, behemoth demon brains, and decorations based on tortured human bodies, I might watch it. But if it is just another zombie film with the good guys being chased by zombies for the rest of the film, I'll just make my own film to disturb.
In conclusion, H. R. Giger (the man who designed the artwork for Alien) should design the atmosphere for Doom the movie.
There's a difference between movement when you're in control, and movement when someone else is in control. If you're presented with a view that mimics first person movement, things can get wierd. The person controlling doesn't make the same unconcious decisions as you do concerning locomotion, and this makes the brain feel funny. Some people aren't bothered by it. Some are. I speak from experience.
That's right. All your base.
Don't rent it, either. Wait until it's can be seen someplace where your viewing of it does no contribute any extra to it's coffers. Encourage others to give it a miss.
I lost track long ago of the number of times I have heard people say, "It's going to suck! I *have* to see it!" And then the same people wonder wny most movies blow white hot chunks.
If you must have the needs and character of a three year old, at least have some patience (is it *that* emotionally difficult to avoid seeing a suckfest?) and view it in a way that does not encourage Hollywood to make any more.
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Everyone keeps blaming the *insert religious group here* for making the plot changes so the monsters aren't from Hell. The problem with that though is that religious people are the only ones who believe in Hell. It's not their fault. I blame the non-religious people that don't believe in Hell. The studio is trying to make the movie more believable to these people. Super virus is believable to everybody. Hell demons are only for the religious. Screw all you non-religious people. Here's my finger.
Why do script writers and movie studios feel the need to take well established idea and change it into something completely different?
Since this movie no longer revolves around neither Hell or Mars can you really still call it Doom?
Doom was and always has been (to my knowledge) a game about a marine who has to battle against the forces of hell on Mars. He does this in the first game and he does this in the third (Doom 2 was on Earth).
I've heard the reasons before that the film studios often feel they need to make the movie appeal to both those who know the story and those that don't... But in this case is it so hard?!
* Marines answer distress call from planet
* Planet was secret government base into new form of travel
* Gateway to Hell opened
* Marines attempt to close gate and escape from planet
* None of them make it except one
* Irony is that the survivor (and lead character) actually died when the dropship crash landed at the start of the film and is trapped in Hell forever.
* The other marines infact actually closed the gate and escaped, but since the lead is in Hell he didn't know that.
Easy.
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Lemme guess: It's revealed in the end that everything was actually set on Earth. Some gov't/military conspiracy teleported the heroes to a lab to test the affects of a top-secret bioweapon. The End.
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Todd Hollenshead: We didn't tie the script to the specific story in the game. There are lots of similarities, but there are many things that are different in a way that's not inconsistent with what we've done in the games. I believe that fans will find the story in the movie fresh and exciting, but still very much DOOM.
Might these be the differences he mentioned?
People, people! There is a reason that they've changed so much about the new DOOM movie, and that reason is the fact that DOOM was already made into a movie. They gotta look orignal now, don't they?
All sarcasm aside, this movie is going to totally blow. DOOM is the type of intellectual property that I think can only be made into a movie ONE WAY, and this way sure as hell ain't it. The best us die-hard DOOM fans can do now is sit back and watch it crash and burn horribly, never to be spoken of again. As far as I'm concerned, they might as well have given it to someone who could at least butcher it in style like Uwe Boll, but he was probably busily turning another videogame liscence into pure tripe.
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Which of these forthcoming game adaptations is going to be the worst:
Doom
Duke Nukem
Dungeons and Dragons 2
Vampire:The Masquerade
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Personally I think that video gaming as an industry needs to distance itself from the film industry. Over the years, through countless tie-ins and franchises (most of which have been risible), we have come to associate them as natural bedfellows. It is a massive cash cow for all involved, but ultimately they dilute the franchise and leave gaming/films fans feeling cheated and disappointed. Especially game fans: paying £40 for a substandard piece of advertising isn't very fun. Dropping the shameless cash-ins and concentrating on upping the thrills and emotions felt and desired by both game and film fans would be much appreciated :)
I would much rather watch a film which captures the claustrophobic and downright scary nature of Doom, than one which simply shares the name.
Spawn got a PG-13 rating and it still included Hell. Movie still sucked but it still included Hell.
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In related news, the producers of the movie "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" said they wanted to keep the books' atmosphere, though there are some minor changes to the film's concept. The character Arthur Dent is an American drag queen, Ford Prefect's name will change to Dodge Vpier, Zaphod will not be a two-headed alien, but a purple dinosaur, and Marvin will become the comic relief. And instead of space, the story will take place on a luxury ocean cruiser. Other than that, they said, the movie will stay true to the books.
You forgot the big "R" that makes it go thrice as fast.
Yeah um...
You can play it just fine on linux in opengl. That gets rid of your directX, and blue screen, and you'll be fine for your high FPS and drivers if you just get yourself an nVidia 6800GT or Ultra.
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...is that there will be fewer opportunities for Karl Urban to do an insane mad growl scream berzerker rush at the enemies, like he did as Eomer at the battle of the Pelennor. (Think reversing grip on spear while on horseback, if you forget the scene.) I had to admit, it's a pretty impressive charge.
OTOH, he's probably grateful for the same fact.
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If you want to get your site slashdotted, just make a machinima adaptation of the Doom movie using the Doom 3 engine.
Based on the posters, I thought it was a movie about soap.
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exerpts:
Todd Hollenshead: The script is close to final and we're very happy with it.
Todd Hollenshead: I want to see the movie be true to what the legacy of the DOOM games mean to fans. Scary, intense, lots of action, and consistent with what we've done in the games. However, movies and games are different media, so some things will and should be different. I'm not looking for "DOOM 3: The Movie" and that's not what it will be. The script is not based on the DOOM 3 story, but is based on the DOOM universe, so fans will see plenty in the movie that they will recognize from the game.
Todd Hollenshead: We didn't tie the script to the specific story in the game. There are lots of similarities, but there are many things that are different in a way that's not inconsistent with what we've done in the games. I believe that fans will find the story in the movie fresh and exciting, but still very much DOOM.
Seems that the ID guys don't want Doom the movie to be like Doom the game. However he does say that he wants it to be based on the doom universe. Still, I don't see how super-viruses and no space-marines are a part of the doom universe
I think ID has left the ball drop recently. I had a lot of fun playing doom1 and 2, but doom3 was almost tedious. The graphics were great but it wasn't really fun to play. I hope they have better judgement about the movie script than about their latest game.
Oh well, here's hoping to a great Quake4!