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Game Retailers to Have a Good Holiday Season

A story is up at the NYT (registration required) regarding this year's holiday sales, an interview with the President of Electronics Boutique. From the article: "Q. Are consumers spending as much this holiday shopping season? Wal-Mart says they're spending less. A. Based upon what we saw over the weekend and what we've seen for the month of November, I'd have to say that, at least on video games, they're spending a lot more. I do think the category is going to have a strong holiday season." I know it's a small thing, but the staff writer refers to Mario as a "construction worker". Could have done some more research there, sport.

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  1. Mario is now a construction worker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    His plumbing job was outsourced to India.

  2. Wrecking Crew by EddieBurkett · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Mario was a construction worker in the NES game Wrecking Crew. Given that Mario has done way more than just his plumbing of late (cart driver, golfer, tennis player, etc.), is it right to still pigeon hole him as a plumber?

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    1. Re:Wrecking Crew by Monthenor · · Score: 3, Informative
      On top of that, Mario was originally (circa Donkey Kong) concepted as a carpenter. It wasn't until Mario Bros/Super Mario Bros that the plumber image took hold.

      The article writer is obviously too old-school for Zonk ;)

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    2. Re:Wrecking Crew by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love Wrecking Crew... Those glorious Hip Tanaka tunes... One of the best games ever made. Man, what I wouldn't do for a sequel...

    3. Re:Wrecking Crew by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was a sequel, sorta. Wrecking Crew 98 for the SNES. It was only released in Japan. I'm sure you can easily find a rom out there and play it in an emulator if you are curious, but you might be disappointed, as it's a little different.

    4. Re:Wrecking Crew by aster_ken · · Score: 3, Interesting

      On top of that, Mario was originally (circa Donkey Kong) concepted as a carpenter.

      The Donkey Kong character was originally called Jumpman until his "jump," if you'll pardon the pun, to the Nintendo Entertainment System (NES). The Mario character had no conscious design until the arcade game Mario Bros. where he was given the job of plumber. Jumpman was an early predecessor of today's Mario, so, technically, Mario has only been a construction worker in Wrecking Crew for the NES and Wrecking Crew '98 (also known as BS Wrecking Crew 98) for the Super Famicom.

    5. Re:Wrecking Crew by iocat · · Score: 3, Funny

      Given his variety of roles -- plumber (most games he's in), construction worker (the deeply underrated Wrecking Crew), general man-about-the-construction-site (Donkey Kong) -- maybe it would have been better to refer to him as a general contractor...

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    6. Re:Wrecking Crew by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A plumber who plays golf is still a plumber.

      If you don't want to be pigeon holed, then never make feces your first profession, that stink never wears off.

    7. Re:Wrecking Crew by MBraynard · · Score: 1

      Plumbers may indeed be construction workers. Is he an on-site residential plumber, or a plumber on new constructions (laying pipe, etc) just like a bricklayer is also a construction worker.

    8. Re:Wrecking Crew by Impotent_Emperor · · Score: 1

      I don't think Mario has been involved in too many new installations given that he does spend a lot of time fixing Princess Peach's pipes.

    9. Re:Wrecking Crew by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd like to lay some pipe in the Princess's place. Maybe involve Daisy for a little 3-way action...

    10. Re:Wrecking Crew by mothlos · · Score: 2, Funny

      One thing's for sure, he sure as hell isn't a Stormtrooper.

    11. Re:Wrecking Crew by Headcase88 · · Score: 1

      Interestingly enough, the name "Mario" was taken from some landlord that someone from Nintendo knew. The landlord looked similar to Jumpman because of the mustache (and that was only added to make him easier to draw). So I guess he's a landlord too...

      Anyway, if there's one thing common with most Mario games, it's the abundance of pipes, not to mention the overly fashionable overalls. So, he's a plumber.

      Plus that... er... wonderful movie billed him as a plumber, so that clinches it.

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  3. First Job by Ondo · · Score: 1

    Mario was a construction worker in Donkey Kong, wasn't he? He was certaintly running around a construction site.

    1. Re:First Job by KDR_11k · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The texts I read referred to him as either a carpenter or a zoo keeper in DK. Apparently Nintendo itself wasn't too sure about that or their branches (NoA/NoE) don't agree on the subject.

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    2. Re:First Job by eikonoklastes · · Score: 2, Informative

      Back then he was just Jumpman.
      And he was labeled a "workman", so why not go ahead an call him a construction worker?

    3. Re:First Job by freakmn · · Score: 1

      Many peoples' first job is a burger jockey, is it right to label them burger jockies for the rest of their life?

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  4. More Great News? by Lord+Pillage · · Score: 1

    First there's news about how young people are using this new fang-dangled thing called the internet, now people are buying games at Christmas? I wonder what the connection between companies releasing huge titles, people buying tons of gifts for people who like games, and the fact that games are being sold at a greater rate, is. I really don't know.... anyone else?

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    1. Re:More Great News? by mausmalone · · Score: 1

      I don't know what the connection is, but when the guy at GameStop told me "No, we're out of PS2's. In fact, the only console new or used we have left is a new X-Box. Do you wanna buy an X-Box?" I laughed wholeheartedly in his face. Also, I knew that sales were up this year.

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  5. Lots of good games is why by scumbucket · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This holiday season seems to have an abundance of good games being released: HL2, WOW, Metroid 2, Pirates!, KOTOR2, etc.

    IMO that's the reason for the increased sales.......

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    1. Re:Lots of good games is why by Bret540 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      As video games become more mainstream, and Microsoft's push to have a 'media center pc' that can do almost everything including playing games (I'm thinking of the future, bare with me) more people are going to spend more money on games, than on for example CD's or DVDs. I for one would rather play a great PC or console game that sit in front of the TV for a couple hours. This isn't true for everyone yet, but like I said, it is a growing trend.(See multiple previous /. stories about lower audiences for television.)

      I agree that the increased release of high budget (but not always great) game releases has produced extra sales. I would rather put a new video game on my list than the newest DVD.

      Notice Halo 2 IS NOT on his list ;)

    2. Re:Lots of good games is why by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

      So far I bought a number of PS2, PC games. But there are TOO MANY games, I can't play them all. Like most people, I'll wait till they get in the bargin bin. Why must every company release games at the same freaking time. You release a mega hit in June, NO ONE will wait till Christmas to buy it, everyone will buy it now.

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    3. Re:Lots of good games is why by MalaclypseTheYounger · · Score: 1

      You both forgot DOOM3, another great reason for high video game sales. And the new Prince of Persia.

      And my hard-earned dollars will be buying myself a new Grand Turismo 4 come mid-December.

      People have been waiting YEARS for these games to come out. Next year will probably be a lot softer on video game sales.

      Unless of course Civilization 4 comes out :) (here's hoping)

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    4. Re:Lots of good games is why by mausmalone · · Score: 1

      Well, that's not all. It wouldn't explain the extreme shortage of both new and used consoles, just the shortage of those games. I think we can also pin it on the consoles being priced lower than ever, and that they all have games that would compel a person to buy a system. (Don't flame me over this... I'm saying that all three have good points and large audiences, I'm not saying you have to like all three.)

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  6. Mario's Job Title by Matt+Perry · · Score: 1

    In the first Mario game I ever owned he worked at a cement factory so I'd say construction worker is close enough. If "construction worker" was wrong, what was the answer that you were expecting?

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  7. Mario was originally a construction worker by extrarice · · Score: 1

    Back in the 'Donkey Kong' days, he was a construction worker. When 'Mario Brothers' was released, he and Luigi became plumbers at that point.

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  8. NYT Partner Trick by the+morgawr · · Score: 1

    For a while people were posting links to NYT articles that didn't require registration using some kind of partner link. Does anyone know if this still works and how it was done? I tried reading the article off of Google News but couldn't because it only lets you read the first page.

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    1. Re:NYT Partner Trick by HarvardAce · · Score: 2, Informative

      Or just use NYTSlashdot/NYTSlashdot as your username/password, you do have to log in, but then you don't have to sell your soul.

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  9. walmart? by WarpedCowOwnzMe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How many of us buy games at wal-mart? How many of us avoid wal-mart at all costs?

    1. Re:walmart? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many of -us-, or how many of ... -them-.

      Turns out walmart is a major force in every single thing they sell.

    2. Re:walmart? by donweel · · Score: 0

      Amen Brother.

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    3. Re:walmart? by tholomyes · · Score: 2, Funny

      I avoided it at all costs, until it was the only place left in town with a copy of World of Warcraft.

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    4. Re:walmart? by realdpk · · Score: 1

      Wal-Mart charges more for games than most stores. So, no, I don't buy any games there.

    5. Re:walmart? by Zorilla · · Score: 1

      Does Wal-Mart still sell censored music and video games? I remember some clout about them selling a censored version of Need for Speed 3 back in 1998.

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    6. Re:walmart? by Zorilla · · Score: 1

      About your sig: Yeah, I've noticed that one of the Flash ads actually caused a popup in Firefox. (the IT Product Guide one, I think) That seems to be an Achilles heel in its popup blocker, as it can't distinguish between a non-initiated command to open a new window, and one that was done on mouseclick, deep within the Flash script.

      The Strongbad Email, Virus, actually demonstrates this in the "Click on the Monkey" part. Surprisingly, nothing happens on unpatched IE 6.

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    7. Re:walmart? by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Funny, here they charge LESS than Best Buy, EB, GameStop, and Circuit City for new games.

      Granted, the difference is along the lines of 12-40 cents, but its still less. Of course, they're selection is even worse than BB (who have a miserable selection at that), so the piddly savings isn't worth it.

    8. Re:walmart? by hal2814 · · Score: 1

      I don't buy games there, but I don't avoid them. I usually buy games used at EB once their price falls to a reasonable level. Wal-Mart is a decent store. They don't have good prices like they did before the advent of the super-center, but they are close to the house and they are open 24/7 (which is very important to someone with an infant and before that a pregnant wife).

    9. Re:walmart? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I buy old games at wal-mart, they end up being pretty cheap. Most everything else is purchased at my local gamestop. As my only reputable local retailer of used game hardware (game crazy is on crack, their prices are consistently high) I like to keep them in business when possible.

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    10. Re:walmart? by Rallion · · Score: 1

      Well, when you decide you need a game and you need it now, and you look at the clock and it says 1:30AM, your choices are very limited.

    11. Re:walmart? by focitrixilous+P · · Score: 1
      Funny, here they charge LESS than Best Buy, EB, GameStop, and Circuit City for new games.

      Might come from the savings earned from breaking unions in the midst of the stores to keep payroll down.

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    12. Re:walmart? by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Hell if I care. If the price was enough less to warrant the extra gas, that's what it's all about. 12-40 cents doesn't cut it yet.

  10. Query by Sexy+Bern · · Score: 1
    Why do most Americans use the word "holiday" instead of "Christmas"?

    I am genuinely intrigued!

    1. Re:Query by Firehawke · · Score: 1

      I would say generally to avoid offending those who may not share beliefs; Christmas is a particularly religious holiday at its core.

    2. Re:Query by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      suprisingly, not all of us are christian. :)

      its mostly a convenient politicly correct way to wish someone a happy new year/christmas/hannukah/kwanza. odds are your going to celebrate SOME silly holiday in the near future

      seasons greetings!

    3. Re:Query by generic-man · · Score: 2, Funny

      We do that to avoid offending Jews, Muslims, atheists, and other non-Christians.

      Inspired by an episode of the TV show "The OC," you can even buy Chrismukkah cards to celebrate a more interfaith holiday than plain old Christmas or Chanukah.

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    4. Re:Query by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      "Enjoy the holidays" blankets a few major religions, older ones, and one New Year. I like it better than saying, "Merry Xmas and happy New Year!", "Happy Channukah! Happy New Year! (and again at a later date) Happy New Year!", and "Happy Kwanzaa! Happy New Year!". Not to mention all the Happy Saturnalias, Happy Winter Solstices, and Happy Yules that I greet people with already.

    5. Re:Query by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because a lot of people here celebrate Hanukah and Kwanzaa...

    6. Re:Query by netfool · · Score: 1

      Ever hear of Hanukkah? I'm sure there are others as well.

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    7. Re:Query by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      How does acknowledging the mainstream religious festival offend people of other faiths?

      It's not like it's called "Christ-pisses-all-over-diwali-mas".

    8. Re:Query by Sexy+Bern · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I don't see your point. "Hanukkah" (and no, I had not heard of it) seems to be some non-Christian religious festival, but its name doesn't seem to get changed.

    9. Re:Query by dykofone · · Score: 1
      I've always just assumed it was a way to lump in all the *days that are flying around this time of year. The "Holiday Season" includes everything from Thanksgiving through New Years depending on how you look at it, and for most of us salaried folk represents the time of year we get the most "paid holidays."

      It's usually not referred to as just "holiday" but usually "the holidays," meaning inclusive of all of them. It also features my birthday, my girlfriend's birthday, my dad's birthday, my mother's birthday, and several of my friendss birthdays, so it really gets all thrown in together to "that time of year."

    10. Re:Query by mooingyak · · Score: 1

      There are these people called "Jews" that celebrate it. I guess you don't have many wherever you are. And yes, its name gets changed too. Holiday season refers to just about the whole month of December, and covers Xmas, New Year's, Hanukkah, and Kwanzaa, so ALL of them are renamed. People still refer to any one specifically if they need to. Holiday season is synonymous with Christmas time, but it is NOT a reference to Christmas itself.

      It's also a nice catch-all if any other faith pops up and says they have a December holiday too. We don't even have to make new signs this way.

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    11. Re:Query by Sexy+Bern · · Score: 1
      Thankyou. Your reply does indeed clarify the situation for me.

      For your information, I have never (knowingly) met a Jewish person, so your supposition about there not being many Jews around here is spot on. I grew up in a place that was 100% Anglo-Saxon and 50/50 Catholic/Church-of-England.

      We have multiple faiths in the UK too, but we still call Christmas "Christmas". Vive la difference!

    12. Re:Query by dhakbar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, Christ himself asked his followers to celebrate his death, not his life.

      Thusly, Christmas shouldn't even be religiously observed. Easter is the ultimate holiday in Christianity.

    13. Re:Query by Quikah · · Score: 2, Funny

      Because it is easier than saying Chrismahanukwanzakah (props to Virgin mobile for this rather amusing ad campaign).

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    14. Re:Query by Starsmore · · Score: 1
      Wish someone a happy Chrismahanakwanzakah.

      Or a Merry Winter-een-mas

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    15. Re:Query by Belgand · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As others have stated this is a pretty holiday-heavy time of year for Americans. First off are our two non-religious ones that bookend it: Thanksgiving and New Year's. This makes the holiday season roughly November-January (or to those complaining about it it starts the day after Halloween when retailers start pushing for the next big holiday). In between you've got a big mess of religious, pseudo-religious, psuedo-secular and largely obsolete holidays: Christmas, Chanukah, Kwanzaa (a recent holiday created in 1966 and designed for those of African descent, frankly most people don't really recognize it though), the winter solstice, Saturnalia, and sometimes even Ramadan (due to the use of a lunar calendar Islamic holidays correspond to different Gregorian dates).

      Speaking as an atheist I definitely prefer the use of "the holidays" even though I know that in common usage it often implies Christmas as one of those. Part of the reason is that Christmas is becoming such an increasingly secular holiday that I only feel slightly odd celebrating it as "annual commercial gift-receiving day" with a complement of traditions and practices that aren't directly Christian in origin.

    16. Re:Query by QEDog · · Score: 1
      First off are our two non-religious ones that bookend it: Thanksgiving and New Year's

      Thanksgiving is religious. It is when the Pilgrims had a feast to thank God.

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    17. Re:Query by DoktorSeven · · Score: 2, Informative

      Don't forget Festivus!

      I've already got my aluminum pole out...

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    18. Re:Query by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kwanzaa is a stupid holiday. What's with the candles? It's like a low-rent Hanukkah.

    19. Re:Query by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bleah, he sounds like the Anti-Henson. Well, I'm off to start my Festivus preparations.

    20. Re:Query by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let the Airing of Grievances commence!

    21. Re:Query by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Wow, I notice most people rattling off the holidays in December, but no one's mentioned Yule/Jol (wish Linux had a character map for accented characters!).

      Sure, "Yuletide" was co-opted to be synonymous with Xmas, but it's the best PART of Xmas! That's where you get your decorating evergreen trees and festive sparklies and misteltoe and all sorts of other goodness. The year is over! Here's to hoping we make it through another winter!

    22. Re:Query by mausmalone · · Score: 1

      I bought my girlfriend games for Hannukah. I bought my roomate a game for Christmas. It's just quicker to say "holiday."

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    23. Re:Query by Ath · · Score: 1

      Screw Chrismukkah. Festivus is the holiday of choice!

    24. Re:Query by Pxtl · · Score: 1

      On a related note, when did the latinization of Hannukah metamorphose into Channukah? I see that everywhere, but I don't remember when it changed. Did I miss a memo?

      The same goes for many Chinese names - like how people now seem to be referring to Mao Tse Tsung as Mao Zedong.

    25. Re:Query by generic-man · · Score: 1

      Technically, the holiday is called (chet) (nun) (vav) (kaf) (hay) in Hebrew (see the Hebrew alphabet for info on how to write the letters). Hannukah, Hanukkah, Chanukah, Chanuka, etc., are all transliterations. The first letter is pronounced like a guttural H that is usually written "ch" in German and Welsh.

      Any Middle Eastern or Asian language (or any language not written in ASCII-friendly letters, for that matter) has a whole bunch of transliteration methods. It's up to each writer/editor to pick one and stay with it.

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    26. Re:Query by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the Chinese names, I learned recently in a Geography class that fairly recently a new transliteration was accepted. That's why Peking became Beijing and lots of places have names starting with an X or Q whereas they didn't used to.

  11. okay, okay.... by Zonk · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'll conceed he was originally a construction worker.

    However, in my defense:
    Yo, yo! /
    It's the Mario Brothers /
    And plumbin's their game /
    Found the secret warp zone /
    While working on the drain /
    Lend the princess a hand /
    In the Mushroom Land /
    Comin' atcha with the plumbers /
    You'll be hooked on the brothers!"

    1. Re:okay, okay.... by Bachus9000 · · Score: 1

      Sir, I salute you! Nicely done (assuming that was from memory...

    2. Re:okay, okay.... by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

      Ah, memories... I used to love that show as a kid.

      Anyway, someone on another forum linked to Yahooligans, where you can watch old Super Mario Brothers shows. (IE only, sorry - also uses popups, which XP SP2 will block. You'll have to watch an ad first, too.)

      They also have the related Legend of Zelda cartoon.

      Be warned that nostaligia makes you remember these things as being better than they really were... Apparently I had no taste as a kid.

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  12. you serious? by IshanCaspian · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    This seems like such common knowledge that I'd suspect a troll, but it doesn't sound like it at all.

    Anyways, they use the word "holidy" to indicate other religions that have Christmas rip-off holidays, such as Judaism and so forth.

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    1. Re:you serious? by Goobermunch · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Right.

      Rip-offs.

      Like Hanukkah.

      Which celebrates events that took place in 165 B.C.E.

      Rip-offs.

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    2. Re:you serious? by Sexy+Bern · · Score: 1

      Common knowledge in the US, perhaps, but I'm not in the US.

    3. Re:you serious? by dhakbar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I believe the parent was referring to Hanukkah as a rip-off holiday because it has become a reason to buy and give gifts for Jews, since they didn't want to celebrate Christmas.

      If he wasn't referring to their similarity in rampant consumerism, he's just a dumbass.

    4. Re:you serious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Or a fairly good troll. That reply made me chuckle. :)

    5. Re:you serious? by BTWR · · Score: 2, Interesting
      actually, it's a chicken-and-egg problem with no solution...

      As someone in this thread correctly pointed out, Hanukkah has been celebrated since 165 B.C.E. when the events took place. As is customary in Jewish holidays celebrating happy events like this, there are "fun" customs. For example, in the case of "Purim" (where Jews celebrate liberation from a tyrant in Persia who wanted to kill all Jews - it's the story of the bible book "Esther"), they celebrate this happy occation by dressing up in costumes and getting drunk.

      To celebrate Hanukkah, it was always traditional for parents to give their children a few coins as a gift at this time of year to celebrate the "miracle" that jews believe occured in 165 B.C.E. You may have seen these chocolate coins sold at this time of year. They are often given to kids as a fun substitute for coins.

      Anyway, Christmas occurs at the same time as Hanukkah, and the gift-giving idea evolved from judaism's coin-giving. This gift-giving was "re-borrowed" back by jews, so now everyone gives gifts.

    6. Re:you serious? by DownloadTHIS · · Score: 1

      Speaking as the son of a Rabbi, the rip-offs thing is correct. Gift giving was a creative "reinterpretation" of older customs in order to lead to fewer angry Jewish kids who want presents too. There is no mention of presents in the actual story whatsoever.

    7. Re:you serious? by Zorilla · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that Hanukkah is a bit overplayed just because it comes within the same time as Christmas.

      I'm not a Jew, but isn't Passover traditionally considered more of a major holiday? Or is it Yom Kippur?

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    8. Re:you serious? by mausmalone · · Score: 1

      Actually, the Christmas gift-giving tradition is relatively new as well (according to some Western Studies class I more or less slept through). It only dates back about 150-200 years (not far, in the scope of religion), and originally kids made gifts for their parents while their parents gave them things like candy. Giving gifts to kids wasn't very widespread in the US until the early 1900's, when toy companies decided that this would be a great way to boost profits.

      But anyway, it's pretty mute, as the winter Christmas holiday as we know it was stolen from the "pagans" by the Roman Catholic Church as an attempt to convert them. For all of you evangelical Christans out there, read the bible again. Christ was born in the spring, as evidenced by descriptions of annual Roman events that were taking place when the Magi traveled to Bethlehem.

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    9. Re:you serious? by BTWR · · Score: 1

      Yes, Hanukkah is a "minor" holiday in terms of religious "importance" - you are correct that both Passover and Yom Kippur are more "important" holidays. In fact, it's one of the only jewish holidays to not be in the Hebrew Bible (ironically, only the Catholic Bible has it - Macabbees I-IV).

  13. Skewed data by SilentJ_PDX · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Considering that the year's two most-anticipated games and a new hardware system were released in November, I'd say the November data is a bit skewed.

    It's normal for big releases to come out in November but I think Halo 2 and Half Life 2 are special cases.

    1. Re:Skewed data by xplenumx · · Score: 1
      It's normal for big releases to come out in November but I think Halo 2 and Half Life 2 are special cases.

      Not to mention World of Warcraft and Everquest II. Between those four games, you've pretty well covered the two big genres - Role-play/MMORPGS and FPSers.

    2. Re:Skewed data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your forgetting the lastest installment in the greatest game of all time, Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater is out too now,

      MGS 3
      HL 2
      Halo 2
      WoW
      EQ II

      form some sort of pentacostal star of gaming power, under which none may go without gaming for the next year, and some may die of over-gaming within the next year. - writes his will -

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  14. Steam helping Wal-Mart? by Staplerh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    With respects to Half Life 2, perhaps it is the combination of being a highly anticipated game as well as the difficulty of pirating the game thanks to the infernal 'Steam'.

    Steam indirectly aiding Walmart?

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    1. Re:Steam helping Wal-Mart? by blueZhift · · Score: 1

      Steam indirectly aiding Walmart?

      Well, HL 2 etal probably aren't helping WalMart too much since they are reporting less than spectacular holiday sales so far. So the great HL 2 and Halo 2 sales aren't enough to compensate for the stuff they aren't selling I guess. Of course I won't be crying for them since I'm not too wild about WalMart's labor practices and penchant for censoring games, music, books, and magazines they don't think I should be able to buy. So with all of that, I generally choose to buy games online or at the local games shop rather than WalMart.

      Besides, one of the great successes of Steam was the fact that many gamers bypassed retail altogether and bought Half Life 2 via Steam. That is the true threat to retailers like WalMart.

    2. Re:Steam helping Wal-Mart? by Staplerh · · Score: 1

      Besides, one of the great successes of Steam was the fact that many gamers bypassed retail altogether and bought Half Life 2 via Steam. That is the true threat to retailers like WalMart.

      Very good point. I'd love to know if there were any statistics regarding the amount of people that bought Half Life 2 via Steam? That'd be a great study, and I'm sure other corporations are investigating that avenue of selling products.

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    3. Re:Steam helping Wal-Mart? by bedessen · · Score: 1

      Difficulty in pirating HL2? Where have you been? There have been several releases of the game (by EMPORiO and VENGEANCE) that run perfectly without steam and no network connection. With the hl2dm updates you can even play online on legit server without a cdkey thanks to the steam emulator that someone wrote. In fact the people that pirated the game just sat back and played it without any of those steam headaches that everyone who shelled out cash for it had to suffer through.

      HL2 has been no harder than any other game to pirate, I don't know what you're smoking. In fact thanks to steam it's a lot faster and easier to play the pirated version compared to buying it.

  15. It's the cost of fuel by LordNimon · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I read an article about this somewhere, but unfortunately I can't quote it now. The vast majority of Wal-mart customers are low-income. They spend all of their income on day-to-day expenses, with very little left over for "luxury" purchases. The price of fuel is really hurting them, apparently. When fuel gets more expensive, it directly affects their bottom line. And because a large chunk of their purchases come from Walmart, there's a direct connection.

    For everyone else, the price of fuel is insignificant. I make decent money, and my family drives two fuel-efficient cars. The cost of gasoline could double and I wouldn't even notice it. People like me are much more likely to buy video games than the average Wal-mart customer, and so the price of fuel does not affect my spending habits.

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    1. Re:It's the cost of fuel by durbinshroom · · Score: 1

      Also the cost of food has risen, so combined with the fuel cost rise and without a coresponding rise in wages, discretionary spending has to fall.

      Ok, it doesn't have to, as the average american does have a substantial credit card debt, but that's another story.

    2. Re:It's the cost of fuel by Marc_Hawke · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My sister is the manager of the electronics department of the local WalMart. I showed her this headline (neither one of us RTFA'd.)

      Anyway...she says that video games are doing really well at her Walmart, however, electronics in general are doing poorly. So, even though the videogames are up, the overall department is down.

      She believes there are two reasons for the down-trend.

      One, there isn't any new technology in the lower price ranges. You have the same old DVD players and CTR TV's that you had last year. Everyone already has one, or two, or enough.

      Two, there IS new technology in the heavy spender ranges. Flat Panel and HDTV sets are on the virge. Also, DVD recorders are the 'big thing.' Both of those technologies are too expensive for your typical Wal-mart shoppers.

      So...people already have the current stuff, and they are willing to 'live with it' until the new stuff comes down in price a little bit. We're in the lull between technologies.

      (I don't know about you, but as a computer shopper I'm noticing the same thing. I'm holding off on buying my new system because I'm waiting for the next architecture to stabilize. I'm talking about 64-bit, PCI-E, SATA, etc. You can get all of them now, but "soon"(tm) they'll have the killer chipsets and drivers and addons etc, and I can buy my next PC. Besides. the one I have now plays Doom3 and HL2 with good details and a decent rate. I can wait.)

      And that is the problem with this years Wal-Mart electronics. The games (EB's only ware) aren't the culprit.

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    3. Re:It's the cost of fuel by will_die · · Score: 1

      You don't know a thing about Walmarts demographics.
      Walmart does a good job of hitting all salary ranges with most of it coming from middle income, very little from low income. Go read thier yearly report for info.
      What hurt walmart in November has been widly documented, they only had increase sales of .7% instead of the estimated 2-4% which is the reason they are saying they had poor sales, and it was that they decided this year to not a huge amount of sales on black friday. This hurt walk in traffic as people went other places.
      BTW on black Friday Walmart's big sellers were digital cameras, video games, learning toys and combinations of TVs and DVDs

    4. Re:It's the cost of fuel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then why is Wal Mart so famous for having fat people in their aisles? Is it true that outside of California, even middle-class people are extraordinarily large?

    5. Re:It's the cost of fuel by Rolgar · · Score: 1

      That and the fact that if people have more money, maybe they are going some place other than Walmart. My wife and I grocery shop at our local Walmart (on of the 5 Hypermart-pilot stores that became Super Walmart), but when we're buying something for the house, we sometimes prefer a bit better quality than the average Walmart items, unless the budget says no.

    6. Re:It's the cost of fuel by captaincucumber · · Score: 1

      because there are a lot of fat people in the aisles. Sometimes two fat people aren't able to get by each other. Ever start down an aisle just to get to the far side and realize that it's clogged with fat people and you won't be able to get through? Happens to me all the time.

      But there's a difference between lots of fat people in walmart, and all of the people in walmart being fat. Walmart has a wide demographic. I see BMW's and Mercedes in my Walmart, parked right next to Ford Rangers and Toyota Tercels.

  16. Bad for the (sorta)little guys, though. by Spleener12 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sure, game retailers are all seeing big profits, but the people in the games industry that might be seeing less-than-average profits this year are the video game companies that are not Microsoft, Nintendo, Konami, Rockstar, Valve, or Blizzard- ie anyone who is not releasing one of the HUGE titles this season. Joe Average Buyer will be more drawn to the games that have been receiving ridiculous amounts of hype than the ones that haven't (but are still just as worthy of a buy.)

    1. Re:Bad for the (sorta)little guys, though. by Lord+Pillage · · Score: 1

      I only buy hype games because I consider most others not worthy of a buy, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Most people I know don't buy the no name game that 'looks' good, becuse in the end it's not usually the same thing. Hyped games are mostly hyped for a reason, unless they turn out to be a big fiasco.

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    2. Re:Bad for the (sorta)little guys, though. by Khuffie · · Score: 1
      Blizzard? Worlds of Warcraft sold like cup-cakes. Valve? Half-Life 2 was snatched off the shelves faster than you can say saskatoon. Rockstar? GTA4 was car-jacked by a shitload of people. Nintendo? The DS was sold out, Metroid Prime 2, Paper Mario 2 and Mario 64 DS all had excellent sales. Konami's Metal Gear Solid 3 also had friggin' good sales.

      Now, if you chose Ubisoft (Prince of Persia), or Namco (Baten Kaitos) , or Capcom (Viewtiful Joe 2), maybe you'd have a point. But the examples you chose were sort of weird.

    3. Re:Bad for the (sorta)little guys, though. by Khuffie · · Score: 1

      edit...nevermind. I miss-read what you typed. I blame this on lack of food...now where's that damn pizza?

    4. Re:Bad for the (sorta)little guys, though. by mausmalone · · Score: 1

      Actually, Joe Average Buyer either (a) isn't "in the know" and makes his/her decisioin based on recommendations from the store clerk (because they haven't heard the hype at all), or (b) is following a Christmas list written by their kid. This is actually one of the big problems for the ESA/ESRB. During the holiday season, a lot of parents buy games without actually knowing what they are, and then get really apalled when they see what their kids are playing.

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    5. Re:Bad for the (sorta)little guys, though. by The-Bus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Releasing your company's flagship title/game during October-December of 2004 is utter idiocy. Games are art, and they also technology, but they are mostly entertainment, which means that they Are A Business. Part of business is marketing. Making a decision to release a game to compete with Half-Life 2 or Halo 2 or MGS3 or GTA:SA is pretty stupid. If you look at movie studios, they are very smart about releasing their entertainment so as to not compete against the big heavy hitters (Star Wars, Matrix, Spiderman franchises). Each Tuesday, there are about 40-50 major DVD releases. The week Spider-man 2 came out, there were a total of only 17 releases.

      If I were a smallish studio I would not be releasing our flagship game between October and November. I'd wait until December or before October, or try in the spring. If they consciously attempt to release it in November, they only have themselves to blame.

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  17. Just make sure... by Alkaiser · · Score: 1

    That you aren't buying any of those stupid EA games. Holiday Boycott!!!

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  18. Steam Purchasers.. by fenix_ix · · Score: 0

    I for one welcome^H^H^H purchased hl2 silver package, from steam. Which was quite good, because games in my country(australia) are quite expensive.

  19. Not playstation.com, I hope. by mh101 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I just placed my first - and last - order on playstation.com. I only ordered from them in the first place, because they were the only place I could find the particular games I was looking for, which were for a Christmas present.

    Well, rather than receiving my order, I received a pair of emails stating that my credit refund had been processed. When I asked why I was getting a refund, I was told that they had received my return, so I they were refunding the order - but I wasn't informed about any refund on the shipping.

    Of course, I knew I hadn't returned the order, since I didn't even receive it to begin with. Obviously they must have shipped it to the wrong address, and it got refused on delivery. I double-checked the order's details, and I indeed got the shipping information correctly so it's their shippers at fault. But, rather than resend my order, I was politely informed that I need to place a new order - no mention about receiving a refund on shipping, or any special code to enter to not pay shipping on the new order.

    Needless to say, I have no intention of ordering from Playstation.com in the future, and informed them that I would warn everyone I know not to order from them. I told them that if they can't either resend my order, without me having to place a new order myself and pay for shipping twice, or refund me for the shipping on the order I never received, I would call up Visa and have them cancel the transaction. Now to wait for their response.

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    1. Re:Not playstation.com, I hope. by Ath · · Score: 1

      Quit whining and call your credit card company, dispute the charge, and be done with it. You will never pay them that money. Why spend all that time talking to a brick wall at playstation.com? You asked them for the full credit and they refused. That is all you have to do before contesting the charge with the credit card company. You are better off putting the hassle back on them than to deal with it yourself.

    2. Re:Not playstation.com, I hope. by lazyl · · Score: 1

      Sounds to me like that's exactly what he's doing. You don't have to give him a hard time about it. He's just posting to vent and to warn others. A little off topic though, I guess.

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  20. nyt needs new fact checkers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that bit about maintaining the lead over gamestop is quite funny, as gamestop is the #2 game retailer in the US behind Walmart, but ahead of both best buy and EB.

  21. Strong Holiday Season... by TheBot · · Score: 1

    And worn out over-worked employees. Well, at least from my laid off ass it is. Thanks corporate Eb Games, for laying me off weeks before the holidays start, because you didn't have the hours. You make no sense in doing so, as this year is the year of the sequel. The games this year are going to sell like hot cakes, and frankly, i'm a bit, no, im very disappointed in your move to lay me off. I for one, need the job. I dont make the "big bucks" like you corporate clowns down. I cannot get laid off before the holidays and really expect to be "OK" through them. Greed is all I can think of, you know, the big boss needs another yacht in Brazil, just fire a couple people, big deal. (replies regarding, get a job loser, quit whining and get another job, that job sucks anyway you loser, oh too bad, hey i hear a small violin, and the ever popular, j00 g0t j0wnedz are not needed. Thank you)

    1. Re:Strong Holiday Season... by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Sorry to hear about the layoff. Especially around the holidays.

      this year is the year of the sequel

      Umm, hasn't every year since about 2000 been the "year of the Sequel?" with only 1 or 2 "big new games" that aren't part of an existing franchise?

    2. Re:Strong Holiday Season... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      get a job loser, quit whining and get another job, that job sucks anyway you loser, oh too bad, hey i hear a small violin, and the ever popular, j00 g0t j0wnedz

    3. Re:Strong Holiday Season... by nicksthings · · Score: 1
      What exactly was your position with the company? It seems fish that any retailer would lay off an employee unwarranted unless they were easily replaceable (don't take that the wrong way...). I know that a lot of my employees (I work for another video game retailer that is not EB Games; wild guesses welcome) aren't getting the hours I'd like to give them because of the massive amount of holiday help the company has required me to hire.

      But maybe EB games works differently and they did off you because someone needed a Yacht...but that seems pretty unlikely and probably not good business practice.

    4. Re:Strong Holiday Season... by TheBot · · Score: 1

      True, true. But I think it's truly the year of the sequel if we look at what games are coming out. GTA:SA, Halo 2, HL2, Doom 3, etc. etc. Just so many big titled sequels, is what I meant to mean.

      Thanks for the good comment =]

    5. Re:Strong Holiday Season... by TheBot · · Score: 1

      Id like to say thanks for the good comment, guess I haven't seen many of them here sometimes =\. Anyways, apparently they didnt want me as an employee because they couldnt pay the store to keep me employed. And I heard that the store used up too many hours already this year. But the issue I have with it is all the big name titles. We do 12am releases on Tuesday mornings, we do longer hours for the DS or GTA:SA etc. So it makes no sense ot me why they would want to cut those hours down, or not add more hours because of the big holiday season it is. *sigh* I was seasonal help, so I knew it wasnt a big part-time position. Heh, but I worked 4 weeks =\. And, *update* they told me they may call me to come in and work since the paperwork is all done, and i'd be rehired like that *snaps fingers*. So, i'm "on call" now. I wish they'd make up their mind.

  22. check your sources... by Roman_(ajvvs) · · Score: 1
    I thought thanksgiving was about indians killing pilgrims?

    but then... I got that info from the Addams Family movie...

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    1. Re:check your sources... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I thought thanksgiving was about indians killing pilgrims?

      Close enough, it was to thank the local natives for helping the settlers survive. In order to really thank them, however, it was necessary to take away their nation and herd them into camps.

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    2. Re:check your sources... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it was to thank God for helping the settlers to survive. The natives were invited as thanks for their help, but the feast was to thank God. Read some primary sources, jackass!

  23. It's the cost of fuel-Stay at Home Gamers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Ok, it doesn't have to, as the average american does have a substantial credit card debt, but that's another story."

    Yes it is.

    Indirectly related to fuel costs is that people will stay home more. Video games are perfect for that trend.

  24. DK3 by Bacardi151 · · Score: 1

    wasnt he also a fumigator in donkey kong 3? or was that a distant relative or something?

  25. I like Wal-Mart... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But Wal-Mart's prices on videogames usually suck, so I mostly only buy hardware and accessories from them.

    For games, I usually go to Target. Occasionally they'll have an insanely good deal on a relatively new game. I got Harvest Moon: AWL there for $26 just a month or so after release! I also bought Tales of Symphonia there for $35 shortly after it was released!

  26. Stereotyping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I know it's a small thing, but the staff writer refers to Mario as a "construction worker"."

    Italian. Construction.
    Just a bit of stereotyping, yes?

    1. Re:Stereotyping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many construction workers does it take to hammer in a nail?

      Thirty-seven. You got a problem with dat?

  27. Re: Hate to say it, but I do. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I do, despite having mixed feelings about them. Walmart IS evil, but then they always have the best price in town. Or sometimes, they are the ONLY game in town. For example, I was looking for Katamari Damacy and only found it at Walmart.

  28. View from Target... by mrdogi · · Score: 1

    Working in the Electronics Dept. rather often, I can say that sales could be a LOT better if we could actually keep stuff in stock. I can't think of how many times I've had to say no to PS2s, Xboxes, GB-DS, and almost all of the digital cameras that we sell. It's quite frustrating, actually. I could see another 10%-25% more sales there, if only we stocked the items.

    1. Re:View from Target... by TheBot · · Score: 1

      I agree with you! When I worked at EBX we never had new PS2s or XBOX's, and only were able to take 230 or so DS preorders. We had GBA-SPs, and 1 or 2 new PStwos, but those were gone and sold, and returned because they didnt work with some things.