Slashdot Mirror


The Wi-Fi Cameras are Coming

Vcullen writes "This week will see many 'new' digicams released at CES but few will be more than cosmetic tweaks and updates on current models. However Kodak have just announced something new (for them) - a Wi-Fi enabled digital camera that enables online photo sharing and viewing without the need for a computer. It also has 256MB of internal memory and stores up to 1500 images." Of course, to actually get on a wireless network, a special card is required for the camera, and the firmware has yet to support WEP, so one has to wait until a Q3 2005 update to join most authenticated networks.

39 of 137 comments (clear)

  1. yay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    finally I can peep on chicks better!

  2. A hem by Rares+Marian · · Score: 2

    How many times do they need to reimplemebt something? Can't they use WEP chipsets that already exist?

    --
    The message on the other side of this sig is false.
  3. 1500 images? by thesatch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    maybe if they're the size of postage stamps...

    1. Re:1500 images? by imsabbel · · Score: 2, Informative

      150 kbyte is plenty for a normal screen res photo (xga) if you dont happen to photograph a newspager or a resolution chart.
      So postage stamp is a bit of an exegeration.
      O

      --
      HI O WISE PRINCE. WHT TOOK U SO DAM LONG?
    2. Re:1500 images? by thesatch · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A 3 megapixel image (~700kb) is the minimum needed for decent 4x6 developing/printing.

    3. Re:1500 images? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 3, Informative

      ahem, its the online picture service:

      "..people can upload the pictures and videos for near instantaneous electronic sharing with friends around the world.

      On-the-spot sharing of up to 1,500 favorite pictures, synchronized with a person's PC-based picture collection..."

      The camera itself has 256mb of memory, so it will fit a reasonable amount of pictures on, you choose your favorites and upload them to kodak.

      You can then steer your family and friends and anyone interested to the site - instantly, certainly cuts out the initial middlestep.

      Not a bad idea if you ask me, its like iTunes and the iPod in reverse.

      --
      liqbase :: faster than paper
  4. Great by DrKyle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now I don't have to stop and swap cards when they get full, but swap batteries because I'm constantly uploading them to my server.

  5. No WEP? by magefile · · Score: 5, Funny

    No WEP? It'll be like wireless X10 - you'll be able to see whatever your neighbor is taking pictures of. This could be a good thing, heh.

    1. Re:No WEP? by tuxter · · Score: 3, Funny

      Depending on the aesthetic value of your neghbour/neighbours choice of mating partner, yes. Let's hope mom and pop turn the Wi-Fi off for the sake of their offspring.

  6. Hardly a first by redback · · Score: 4, Informative

    canon already have wireless adapters for their high end cameras

    hardly a first

    1. Re:Hardly a first by cetan · · Score: 2

      Yeah, both Canon and Nikon. Another Johnny-Come-Lately for Kodak and a crappy implementation at that. Typical.

      --
      In Soviet Russia...michael would be rotting in Siberia!
    2. Re:Hardly a first by ZeeExSixAre · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is the first consumer-level implementation... definitely a milestone. How many of your non-photographer friends would pay $1000 for an SLR that doesn't fit in their pocket and does WiFi?

    3. Re:Hardly a first by ikea5 · · Score: 2, Funny

      you can get a Canon EOS digital rebel for less then $1000.

    4. Re:Hardly a first by morcheeba · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nikon's adapter is $450 and goes on a $2000 camera. I think that drastic price reduction (albeit to a more rational level) and moving features into a different market segment is innovation.

  7. Real Question by ZiakII · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The real question is with they be bannked in Saudi Arabia like camera phones where?

  8. I found my next phonecam... by `Sean · · Score: 4, Funny
  9. Too easy. by Forge · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is in the relms of "That's so obvius, the guy who patented it died laughing" :).

    I mean a wifi camera is neaded by a lot of people. Let's say you are a jurnalist and want to take pictures where it's not exactly alowed. With wifi, the pics can get out imediatly so that if someone takes your camera to destroy incriminating pics you can let them have it (while recording that "transaction" too).

    --
    --= Isn't it surprising how badly I spell ?
    1. Re:Too easy. by shoolz · · Score: 2, Informative

      Excellent point. I've protested (peacfully) at various events where I couldn't take photos of those who were physically assaulting me because i knew my camera would be smashed to smithereens as soon as they saw the flash.

      This idea would allow me to take photos instead of beatings.

  10. Possible names by wcitechnologies · · Score: 2, Funny

    How about WiFeye? or maybe WiFiEye?

    --
    Electrons are free; it is moving them that becomes expensive.
  11. Wonderful idea! by ZeeExSixAre · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This could link up very well with a pocket-sized hard drive unit sitting in a pocket or photographer's vest. The pictures would automatically be downloaded to the hard drive while shooting. Since 1GB drives are pretty much the norm for shooting (with the exception of the 4GB flash drives), and photos can run upwards of 15-20MB/photo in RAW, this would be a photojournalists/sports photographer's dream not to have to switch out cards every 50 or 80 pictures. This is definitely something to consider, especially when many high-end cameras can take 8 pictures/second in burst mode, with a buffer able to hold 30 or more pictures before writing to flash.

    Average Joe would not only benefit greatly by not needing to connect cables to the computer to transfer files, but this is likely to open up a digital convergence gateway where cameras, computers, and phones can transfer photos to each other. We all know that media sharing has become the next big thing, not just in P2P, but in a hardware sense, too.

    Think about it - how many times have you taken pictures at a party with your digicam, and your friends ask you, "I want a copy of that pic!" Now you can without batting an eye!

    1. Re:Wonderful idea! by aardwolf204 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      yes but bluetooth is slow. and the point of the grandparent poster is so that sports photographers have more storage space. I think he is looking at it all wrong. wifi or bluetooth are just going to suck up batteries. a much better, and faster solution would be to use multiple CF cards and an iPod or similar storage device with card reader hooked up to a wifi adapter. Fill up a card, eject it and pop it in the ipod, it should sense the card and automatically download, transmit and format while your poping in another blank card.

      the ipod with CF adapter and Wifi adapter would be plenty small enough to keep in your pocket and has its own battery. keeps drain off camera battery and lightens camera. also if wifi is unavailable the ipod just keeps the pics on HDD. with the wifi in camera option your SOL if theres no access point, not to mention bandwidth concerns with 20MB raw, or like other poster said, processed jpegs

      --
      Im dreaming ofa big bndwdth, That can resist the /.crowd.May ur days b merry & bright & may al
    2. Re:Wonderful idea! by solferino · · Score: 2, Funny
      Think about it - how many times have you taken pictures at a party with your digicam, and your friends ask you, "I want a copy of that pic!" Now you can without batting an eye!

      Ah, the eye-batting protocol, with its Bardot rate, IRIS interface and open flirtation technologies. Sad to see that one go.

  12. Bluetooth!! by sr180 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Wifi is nice, but I just want bluetooth on my Camera, that way in the field, I could email photos via my bluetooth phone.

    Very useful for those working in the field needing to get photos back to the office.

    --
    In Soviet Russia the insensitive clod is YOU!
  13. the best web camera DOES run Linux!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    and, it's been around for a while, AND has ALWAYS had WiFi ... and you won't believe what this multisession, multiuser camera can do. Too bad they don't have the marketing clout the Big Boyz do, but that is how it goes I guess. I don't know what I would do without the six I have... exactly what was needed and still going great http://www.iqeye.com

  14. wireless cameras have been here for years by Spydr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    nearly every new cellphone being released these days has a camera built in.

    i just recently saw one with a 2 mega pixel camera in it, and i'm sure it's only a matter of time until we see great quality 4 mega pixel cameraphones (4 megapixels seems to be the break point for cheapish snapshot digital photos).

    plenty of people already use their cameraphones to send images directly up to their blogs or internet services like flickr.com, it's just a matter of when wireless cameras meet with cameraphones.

    then they just need to roll in a large digital media player and we'll all be happy... make calls, take photos (and send them to your server/website immediately from anywhere) while listening to the latest mp3 all on the same device.

    1. Re:wireless cameras have been here for years by TheUnknownOne · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Megapixels are not everything. Cell phone cameras have a sensor, and lense about the size of a corn kernel. This is not good for taking any half way decent pictures.

  15. Re:Why is this better than a cellphone? by mboverload · · Score: 4, Informative
    becuause the cameras in phones suck.

    The aperature is too damn small, everything comes out grainy, blured, and the quality is just plain crappy.

  16. Obvious Solution - Wardriving by drewzhrodague · · Score: 3, Funny

    You could perhaps take pictures of the areas you are wardriving with your camera. Go figure, it's the obligatory wardriving post.

    --
    Zhrodague.net - I do projects and stuff too.
  17. Re:Why is this better than a cellphone? by rufusdufus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This doesnt answer the question really; if I needed higher quality images on the go, I would want a camera with Bluetooth so I could use my phone to send pictures over internet. But Wifi is useless because I need to be within a few dozen feet of an open access point, which is only a few dozen feet from a USB port.

  18. nothing to see here by Maskirovka · · Score: 4, Informative
    The EASYSHARE-ONE redefines what is possible with a digital camera

    Consumer camera yes, but Kodak is hardly the first to wifi in a digital camera.

  19. Except for professionals. And maybe consumers too by aardvarko · · Score: 2, Informative

    photos can run upwards of 15-20MB/photo in RAW, this would be a photojournalists/sports photographer's dream not to have to switch out cards every 50 or 80 pictures.

    Yeah, except that photojournalists and ESPECIALLY sports photographers can't shoot RAW because of the additional delays in processing (much easier to FTP JPEGs directly to the photo department, and most prepress deadlines occur DURING night games - and there's far more overhead than just prepress); besides, no sane photojournalist would trust a single point of failure for storing photographs. Many newspaper photogs use 256MB cards, for the simple reason that if one fails or its contents are corrupted (no time for Image Rescue or its ilk), you only lose a hundred JPEGs, rather than multiple gigabytes' worth of assignments.

    As has been noted by other commenters, the Nikon D2H has supported WiFi transmission since its release, given the optional $400 adapter. It FTPs directly, and supports WEP and whatnot. The only interesting thing about this article is the consumer orientation; personally, I don't see people accepting the dramatic reductions in battery life... not to mention the storage issues...

  20. It's not quite the same thing... by FuturePastNow · · Score: 4, Interesting

    but Linksys has been selling wi-fi webcams for a while now: http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?grid=3 3&scid=38&prid=650

    --
    Give a man fire, and you warm him for the night. Set a man on fire, and you warm him for the rest of his life.
  21. WIFI features.. by FUF · · Score: 4, Interesting

    With 802.11, there'll be quite some bandwith available for these cameras to use... so I see no reason why the following feature request(s) (HUGE points on my wishlist as a professional photographer for a long time now) should be hard to implement.

    The cameras (after obtaining ip's, dhcp or static) should have a running webserver that streams video of exactly what the camera's lcd would display, A web-lcd per se. There should also be COMPLETE functionality of the ALL the camera's functions tied into controls on the web application. Basically, if you can use a function on the physical interface, it should be available for use over the air as well.

    Is this too much to ask? :-)

  22. Nice headline.. by the+angry+liberal · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "This week will see many 'new' digicams released at CES but few will be more than cosmetic tweaks and updates on current models. However Kodak have just announced something new (for them) - a Wi-Fi enabled digital camera that enables online photo sharing and viewing without the need for a computer. It" .....

    Actually, if you consider higher quality lens systems and much higher resolution a "cosmetic tweak", then um, we need to send you back to slashdot university for a while before submitting another headline.

    The "Without a computer" part sounds more like marketing BS, too. Nine times out of ten, if you are in range of a Wi-fi router you have access to, you'll be within walking distance of your PC.

    Yeah, I know someone will come in here and throw down their example of how this would be useful, but think about 99% of the other users out there. I predict this thing won't do so well, though a neat bit of technology.

  23. Megapixels are a dumb consumer selling point. by i41Overlord · · Score: 4, Informative

    i just recently saw one with a 2 mega pixel camera in it, and i'm sure it's only a matter of time until we see great quality 4 mega pixel cameraphones (4 megapixels seems to be the break point for cheapish snapshot digital photos).

    The megapixel count seems to be the big selling point to uneducated consumers. They think that the more megapixels, the better the camera. But in actuality the quality of the picture doesn't usually depend on the pixel count. You can have a crappy lens and a 99 megapixel sensor behind it, and you're going to get a very big blurry, distorted picture. Also, if the sensor is not a very good one, you'll get a picture made of a lot of washed out pixels.

    Take an older high end camera where they put effort into giving it a quality lens and quality sensor and compare it to a heavily marketed modern camera with lots o' megapixels. The difference in picture quality will speak for itself. There are lots of 5 mp cameras nowadays, but lots of them still take crappy pictures. They're just BIG crappy pictures.

    1. Re:Megapixels are a dumb consumer selling point. by brunogirin · · Score: 2, Informative
      Indeed. Which is exactly why people still use SLR cameras (digital or film) and medium format ones. Because the optics on those are just astounding compared to compact cameras. If you want a good picture, you need good optics first, whether you're using film or digital.

      So the first advice I always give to friends buying a camera is to check what the specs of the optics are. More often than not, this is also the reason for a significant difference in price between cameras that are otherwise identical. But the point is investing in a good lens is actually worth it, if you want to take good sharp pictures. And sometimes "worth it" can means a lot of money. For instance, the telephoto zoom I have on my SLR costs about £160 in the UK. The professional equivalent I am currently considering upgrading to costs £1200. But it would be worth it in terms of quality.

  24. Re:Why is this better than a cellphone? by kopenoptop · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "The aperature is too damn small, everything comes out grainy, blured, and the quality is just plain crappy."
    I find that a little hard to belive. Any photographer can tell you that the smaller the aperature (physical size not number), the larger the depth of field in the picture. Meaning more things would be infocus (not blurred). More likely, most cell phone cameras suck because they have horrible lenses that point at bad sensors.
  25. GPS by marmite · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Who cares about WiFi on digital cameras?

    I want GPS coordinates in an exif tag (or something).

    --
    I do not represent myself.
  26. Toilet Cam technology has had this for years by Zen+Programmer · · Score: 3, Funny

    I've been using Wi-Fi for my toilet cams since 2001. Prior to wireless it was really a hassle to have to retrieve the tapes after they had been dumped on for a few days. Now it's walk in, drop in a cam, order a Filet-O-Fish, sit down, open my laptop and watch the show ;).