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Sir Richard takes Virgin into Space

quizdog writes "The latest issue of Wired has a story on Sir Richard Branson and the history of the Virgin Empire, focusing on his latest venture of partnering with Scaled Composites and Burt Rutan to bring the X-Prize-winning SpaceShipOne hybrid rocket technology to the point where paying passengers can slip those 'surly bonds' of the atmosphere. Starting at just $200,000 a pop - any chance of a volume discount?" We first mentioned this a while back, but Wired's coverage is nice to see as well.

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  1. Article text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Rocket Man

    Richard Branson conquered the world. Now he wants to fly you to space.

    By Spencer Reiss


    One lightly frozen billionaire has just climbed down from the port wing of a Virgin Atlantic 747 parked at the edge of a runway at Mojave Airport. It's a blustery gray morning in California's southern desert, and Virgin in chief Richard Branson has spent more than an hour standing in the wind, waiting to tape the opening sequence of his new reality show, Rebel Billionaire. The jet's not going anywhere, either: It's a mothballed reserve plane, prettied up just for the shoot. "We've been thinking about sinking her in the Caribbean for divers," says Branson, deep-sixing hot cocoa from a styrofoam cup.

    Suddenly the sun pops out. Branson clambers back up onto the wing and runs through his paces again for the boom-rigged camera: crossed-arm stance, million-mile gaze across the desert, then a quick turn as the lens swoops in for a close-up, with a tease of that famous toothy grin and a glint of sky-blue eyes. Take that, Donald Trump! The rest of the cast hustles out onto the wing, the camera whirs again, and it's a wrap. To celebrate, Sir Richard Charles Nicholas Branson, 54-year-old lord of a $9 billion-a-year global empire, joins his happy TV troupe in mooning the crew. Everyone cracks up.

    Branson has been mugging and grinning, diving and rappelling, ballooning and mooning his way to extreme mogulhood for nearly 40 years. (He started his first business, a magazine, while still in boarding school.) In that time, his Virgin Group has expanded from a funky record business into a sprawling keiretsu encompassing air travel, cell phones, train travel, soft drinks, African safaris, digital downloads, and Caribbean hideaways. Branson's own Virgin Island - no kidding - is available starting at $25,000 a day. All of which adds up to a personal fortune pegged by Forbes at $2.2 billion.

    Despite such a dazzling career, the business world has always been ambivalent toward Britain's best-known entrepreneur. He launches trendy companies the way Trump builds casinos. But a farsighted innovator like Steve Jobs or Jeff Bezos or even Southwest Airlines' Herb Kelleher he is not. Branson traffics in opportunism. He spots a stodgy, old-line industry, rolls out the Virgin logo, sprinkles some camera-catching glitter, and poof - another moneymaker. While that formula has kept him in champagne and headlines, no Virgin business has ever changed the world.

    Until now. Mojave Airport isn't just where aging jets wait to die; it's where the dusty dream of commercial space travel is finally coming alive. Last summer, a tiny winged wonder called SpaceShipOne spiked 62 miles into the desert sky on its way to nailing the $10 million X Prize for the first sustainable civilian suborbital flight. The world's stuffed-shirt airline chiefs took one look and went back to worrying about fuel prices. Branson took one look at the gleaming white carbon-fiber spaceship and said, Beam me up.

    The upshot is Virgin Galactic, the world's first off-the-planet private airline. Under a deal still being negotiated with SpaceShipOne's owners - Microsoft cofounder Paul Allen and legendary Mojave airplane designer Burt Rutan - Virgin will pay up to $21.5 million for an exclusive license to SpaceShipOne's core design and technologies. Another $50 million will go to Rutan's company Scaled Composites to build five tricked-out passenger spaceships. An equal amount will be invested in operations, including a posh Virgin Earth Base somewhere in the California desert. Total outlay: $121.5 million. Business plan: 50 passengers a month, paying $200,000 each. Core product: a two-hour flight to an apex beyond Earth's atmosphere, wrapped in a three-day astronaut experience. Lift off: T-minus three years.

    Of course, Virgin Galactic is a tiny bit riskier than the typical Branson venture. For starters, the first passenger-carrying Virgin spaceship - already dubbed VSS Enterprise - is still just a glow on Rutan's co

    1. Re:Article text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sorry i'm drunk, i withdraw the previous post. Apologies to all, and good tidings to all men.

    2. Re:Article text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone should mod this down. It's got a profane comment to michael spelled out in bold letters scattered throughout it.

    3. Re:Article text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought that was why people were modding it up.

    4. Re:Article text by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 1
      He spots a stodgy, old-line industry, rolls out the Virgin logo, sprinkles some camera-catching glitter, and poof - another moneymaker. While that formula has kept him in champagne and headlines, no Virgin business has ever changed the world.
      This is incorrect. Branson has always succeeded by taking a different approach to business from his fellow Brits, usually involving giving customers something they want.

      With his record business it was an eclectic mix of music that young people wanted to listen to as opposed to what the big companies were pushing. With the record retail business it was a relaxed and cool atmosphere in which to come and enjoy browsing through music rather than squeezing into the forgotten basement of a crowded bookstore, which was the only way to buy music before he came along. With the airline it was the concept of entertaining the passengers in economy class with seat-back entertainment - something British Airways were forced to follow. Oh, and he added some much needed competition to the transatlantic route, something that BA fought tooth and nail by fair means and foul.

      Sure he's a renowned self publicist, but that doesn't mean he trades only in gimmicks. The guy has his business head screwed on.

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    5. Re:Article text by hughk · · Score: 1
      He also treats his staff well. They are worked hard and are by no means paid the best, however they like working at Virgin and for him.

      When they see him getting up to his gimmicks, they aren't resentful, they are amused. They know that Virgin is Branson's, that is both an asset and a liability - but he is getting the business in.

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  2. Booyah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does this make him a member of the 600-mile high club?

    1. Re:Booyah! by Alien+Being · · Score: 1

      ... to boldly go where no man has gone before.

    2. Re:Booyah! by Rei · · Score: 1

      Where'd you get 600 miles from? That'd put him well past ISS even, and start getting you into some dangerous radiation.

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    3. Re:Booyah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if the virgin comes back, uhh, not a virgin.

  3. Weird's coverage is much better. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a minute...there's no magazine called Weird, is there?

  4. If only... by dutt · · Score: 4, Funny

    If only Branson would take a virgin into space... what bliss.

  5. Virgin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    anyone else besides me take a double-take at that article title?

    1. Re:Virgin? by spac3manspiff · · Score: 3, Funny

      considering most of us are virgins...

      yes :/

    2. Re:Virgin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      What is a virgin?. Please explain it in Perl.

    3. Re:Virgin? by http101 · · Score: 1

      Double-take? Hell no... I was looking for the webpage to sign-up!

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  6. Don't think so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
    ...any chance of a volume discount?

    No, fatass -- in fact, you're gonna have to pay extra.

    1. Re:Don't think so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      MARS ATTACKS

      The call went to Virgin!! Could Mr Jai Bindi have been prophetic?

  7. Virgins in Space? by earthforce_1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sounds like a promising XXX title. :)

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    1. Re:Virgins in Space? by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 2, Funny

      More likely they're just ensuring only true geeks are allowed on the ship.

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    2. Re:Virgins in Space? by entrager · · Score: 1

      At least give credit where credit's due. "Virgin's in space" was the catch-phrase for Virgin Galactic that one of the teams came up with in a recent episode of The Rebel Billionaire (Yes, I watch it. I also watch The Apprentice, want to make something of it?).

    3. Re:Virgins in Space? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like Jews in Space?
      [/history of the world part 1 reference]

    4. Re:Virgins in Space? by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

      Starting at just $200,000 a pop

      That is one expensive cherry.

      (I'm so sorry >_)

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    5. Re:Virgins in Space? by kd5ujz · · Score: 1

      I would imagine that to be very messy, what with all the fluids just floating about....

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  8. Slashdotters by thegoofy · · Score: 5, Funny

    No, Slashdotters... he didn't take one of YOU into space... they are referring to a company in the article.

    1. Re:Slashdotters by Almond+Paste · · Score: 0

      No, Slashdotters... he didn't take one of YOU into space... they are referring to a company in the article. You mean us.

  9. Article title by coug_ · · Score: 2, Funny

    [i]Sir Richard takes Virgin into Space[/i]

    Where did he find manage to find a real Virgin?

    Thanks... I'll be here all week.

    1. Re:Article title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is not orkut !!

    2. Re:Article title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grade 8 students (Junior high juniors, to you americans).

    3. Re:Article title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where did he find manage to find a real Virgin?

      The guy that posted right before you answered that.

    4. Re:Article title by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      It's trivial to find a male virgin.

      But if you meant a female one, ...

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    5. Re:Article title by eclectro · · Score: 2, Funny

      Where did he find manage to find a real Virgin?

      The Virgin had a choice of being tossed in the volcano or going on the rocketship.
      Standing at the edge of the volcano, she chose the latter.

      I'm sorry that you are going to have to browse at -1 to see this post.

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    6. Re:Article title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where did he find manage to find a real Virgin?

      Have you seen the women in England?

    7. Re:Article title by wkitchen · · Score: 1

      If he's offering "$200,000 a pop", they shouldn't be too hard to find.

    8. Re:Article title by dabigpaybackski · · Score: 1
      Have you seen the women in England?

      Yes, and I doubt any of them are virgins.

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    9. Re:Article title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Where did he find manage to find a real Virgin?

      Right here, of course.

    10. Re:Article title by TrevorB · · Score: 1

      Was the virgin to be sacrificed on Olympus Mons?

    11. Re:Article title by Revek · · Score: 1

      [i]Sir Richard takes Virgin into Space[/i]

      Where did he find manage to find a real Virgin?

      He looked for one at macworld

  10. For a Second there by fenodyree · · Score: 4, Funny

    I thought: Gee, I wish I was that lucky geek!

    1. Re:For a Second there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you realized his name is Sir Richard and not Lady Richard?

  11. virgin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In todays world, you wish you can find a virgin. Haven't he learnt anything from indian public school scandle yet.

  12. Allow me to be the first... by braeburn · · Score: 2, Funny

    to comment on one of the most unintentionally funny/"don't editors look at these things before posting" moments on ./ I've seen in a while. Bravo.

    1. Re:Allow me to be the first... by thaig · · Score: 1

      Usually this kind of thing is intentional.

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  13. Sir Richard takes Virgin into Space by UnCivil+Liberty · · Score: 4, Funny

    And on that note let the bad sex jokes begin...

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    1. Re:Sir Richard takes Virgin into Space by papadiablo · · Score: 1

      After crushing Sir Richard's fleet of Virgin ships, the Martians are quoted as saying "All your virgins are belong to us."

    2. Re:Sir Richard takes Virgin into Space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They already did!

    3. Re:Sir Richard takes Virgin into Space by Feztaa · · Score: 1

      Hey! There's nothing funny about bad sex.

  14. About time by MerryGoByeBye · · Score: 1

    Now, when are they gonna cut the novelty crap and make it into a viable transportation alternative? At $200K a pop, that's one hell of a business expense. How much does coach cost?

    1. Re:About time by eln · · Score: 4, Funny

      Coach only costs $50k, but you have to sit on the outside of the spacecraft.

    2. Re:About time by complete+loony · · Score: 1

      The space suit is extra.

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    3. Re:About time by Rei · · Score: 1

      That's a good point. Suborbital craft aren't really all that special; if one designed suborbital transportation craft instead of a joyride, it might actually be economical for long distances.

      Of course, you'd probably want either carry-launch, tow-launch, or a joint jet/rocket hybrid (in such a case, you'd probably be burning kerosene or rp1 in your rocket so you can use the same fuel for your engines without having to reinvent them). Too much of your energy will be expended while in the atmosphere if you don't, and with launches on such a small, simple craft (compared to a rocket of equivalent payload capacity to orbit), fuel will actually be a relevant percentage of your total costs. Plus, keeping the amount of fuel down reduces structural strength requirements by reducing mass, makes for a less dense craft (good for reentry), makes the craft safer, and many other nice effects.

      The challenges for suborbital flight are an order magnitude simpler than those for orbital flight, so it should be doable. Your tps (like SS1's) can be completely minimal, by simply selecting frame materials that won't suffer much from the heat. Peak heating of SS1 was just under 600C; this would be higher, but not too much, and there is quite the range of relatively cheap structural materials that you can use. Dealing with heat buildup on aircraft is nothing new - Concorde experienced 127C temperatures in transit - it's just that this is on a larger scale.

      Besides, the end of Concorde means that there's no readily available public means of supersonic travel. It seems few will want to again attempt to take the atmospheric route again; an attempt at an exoatmospheric passenger liner seems like the only realistic route. And the transit times are, of course, just great ;)

      Naturally, only a very large company would be able to pull this off. "Space Tourism" is one thing, but there's no way that the FAA will sit by and let a passenger craft get launched without a strict set of qualification requirements.

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    4. Re:About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Sir Richard takes Virgin into Space
      > ...
      > outside of the spacecraft.

      [Queue porno music]
      In space, no-one can hear you scream.
      [/Queue porno music]

  15. Come on, Slashdot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sir Richard gracing the cover of Wired has been staring at me from the top of my toilet magazine stack for weeks. Good story and all, but not exactly what you could call current.

    1. Re:Come on, Slashdot! by koreaman · · Score: 1

      You're new here, aren't you?
      Slashdot is alwaays behind, definitely never what you would call current at any rate.

  16. This just in... by ackthpt · · Score: 1

    Humanity to spread to outer space, before cleaning up the mess it still has on planet Earth. Is it a case of running away from the problem, or spreading the problem to other planets and colonies in the solar system? Rumor has it that terrorist groups are also working on improving their technology so they can explode a satellite outside an geosynchronus nightclub or such.

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  17. Virgin into space, eh? by RLiegh · · Score: 2, Funny

    How's he going to manage to get the whole corporation up there?

  18. $200K per ticket?! by beef+curtains · · Score: 1

    That's a bit pricey, even by commercial airline standards.

    So after the handful of people that are both rich & interested have taken the trip, what's Sir Richard going to do with his space travel business?

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    1. Re:$200K per ticket?! by suffe · · Score: 1

      $200k isn't that much. No realy, it isn't. Just imagine how many rich people spend that kind of money on a second, third or n'th car.

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    2. Re:$200K per ticket?! by ArsSineArtificio · · Score: 1

      So after the handful of people that are both rich & interested have taken the trip, what's Sir Richard going to do with his space travel business?

      He's going to use the profits from the early adopters to reduce the price, and develop a much larger target market.

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  19. "a stor" by delus10n0 · · Score: 1

    a stor?

    What's a "stor" ?

    Oh, did you mean STORY?

    Also, why does Slashdot report on every issue of Wired? If you want to read Wired, then get a subscription!

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    1. Re:"a stor" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A Stor is a Gnome healer...

    2. Re:"a stor" by j0217995 · · Score: 1

      I remember reading my copy right around Christmas time. Talk about old coverage of "news". Maybe we can get more up to date news. I don't understand why Wired stories make Slashdot.

  20. Space Virgins by richman555 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't know, but has anyone ever had sex in space before? I think if that is the case we are all virgins in uncharted territory he,he.. Is anyone willing to go where no man has gone before???

    1. Re:Space Virgins by DarthMAD · · Score: 1

      Willing? Definitely. With Richard Branson? Definitely not.

  21. Where can I buy a ticket? by IdleTime · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Going into space has been a dream since I was watching Neil Armstrong set foot on the moon in 1969.

    Paying $200.000 for a trip that has been my dream for over 30 years is cheap, esp compared to the $20.000.000 pricetag for the Russian trip to the space station. it's a bargain and I want one, Seriously!

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    1. Re:Where can I buy a ticket? by rzebram · · Score: 0

      I'll sell you one, and while you're at it, how about a nice bridge? I've got a nice bridge I could sell you, if you're iterested.

    2. Re:Where can I buy a ticket? by gl4ss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      you do realise that there's quite a difference between a stay at the orbit and a quick leap up and coming down instantly?

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    3. Re:Where can I buy a ticket? by JQuick · · Score: 1

      They plan to accept deposits and about 2 years before flights begin. If you want to sign up for an early flight, register on their website and they will send you an email when early reservations begin.

      http://www.virgingalactic.com/when.asp
      http://www.virgingalactic.com/when.asp

    4. Re:Where can I buy a ticket? by ThreeE · · Score: 0

      $200 for a trip into space! That's a looooong ways off.

      Oh wait, you're from one of those third world sprockets countries that don't use ,s...

    5. Re:Where can I buy a ticket? by IdleTime · · Score: 1

      Thank you for the link...
      Signed up!

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    6. Re:Where can I buy a ticket? by Shadowlore · · Score: 1

      you do realise that there's quite a difference between a stay at the orbit and a quick leap up and coming down instantly?

      Of course he does, he's a /. nerd. Given all the Virgin jokes already in this thread, I'm suprised you had to ask. :)

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  22. is there a wired.slashdot yet? by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 1, Interesting

    ok go ahead and mark this off topic but what gives with slashdot every month running the majority of the latest wired mag here too? Does /. get paid for it? Wouldn't it be easier to have one post a month 'go look at wired.com before we post all their stories here'

    1. Re:is there a wired.slashdot yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop posting using a monospaced font, you stupid mother-fucking cum-slurping asshole.

    2. Re:is there a wired.slashdot yet? by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 1

      its amazing the hostility monospace can generate. 99.9% of
      people just dont give a fuck. I wonder if I can get this
      treated as a hate crime?

  23. Sir Richard Takes Virgin in to Space by popo · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...And back to his homeworld ...where he will use her to breed an army of half-men / half-Bransons to enslave Earth. Mwah hah hah haaaah... ...er, sorry...

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  24. Virgin Brides by grahamsz · · Score: 1

    Oddly enough that company appears to have no revenue.....

  25. Come on, enough already! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is this? This is like the third story in the past few days lifted from Wired. And it's Old News. It's in this month's printed issue, which I've already read.

    Slashdot is morphing into Slashdull.

  26. Umm.. Isn't this by cainskltn · · Score: 1

    a little old? I mean I got this issue a while back. Why the wait slashdot?

    1. Re:Umm.. Isn't this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But Wired's a horrible, horrible magazine. I find it better to get the cream (such as it is) of it on /. Plus, I get the benefit of insightful Slashdotter commentary.

      I had the misfortune of picking up a US-edition Wired at a train station. It's 95% adverts. It felt like I spent more time flicking through ads than reading the articles. And most of those seemed to be of the 1950's 'gee wizz!' variety.

      All gloss, minimal content. No, I don't want to buy a Canyonero.

  27. Boooooring by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Just feel the need to point out once again that this is not space travel, as far as I'm concerned.

    Space travel is controlled space travel. That means travelling into space, establishing a controlled orbit, and then a controlled descent back to earth. That's space travel.

    The Wright Brother's big advance was controlled, powered flight. Lots of people could shoot a projectile from one end of the field to the other, which is all (effectively) that was accomplished by Burt Rutan.

    I don't want to be a big, wet blanket here, and I don't want to say nothing has been accomplished; it was a necessary first step. But it ain't space travel. Orbital insertions are two orders of magnitude harder.

    I don't want marketing, I want real space travel, and that requires being a little harsh on all the marketing that surrounds this.

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    1. Re:Boooooring by QuantumG · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      It's more than you did.

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    2. Re:Boooooring by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 1
      And your point is what? That I'm not allowed to point out that this is more marketing than space travel because I haven't personally built my own rocket ship?

      Does that mean I can't criticize Microsoft unless I've personally built my own multi-billion dollar operating system company?

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    3. Re:Boooooring by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      No, it means you need to show a little respect to the people who set out to make it possible for you (an assumably normal person) to fly into space, however briefly. It also means that you need to support these individuals so that they may make bigger and better rocket ships so that they can some day put you into an orbit. Complaining that they havn't done everything you want in one step when you freely admit that it's a damn hard thing to do and have done absolutely nothing yourself is just counterproductive. This goes for making rocket ships or operating systems.

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    4. Re:Boooooring by Telastyn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No offense to you, or the Brothers, but from everything I've read of that "flight" it wasn't much different from shooting Rutan's bird in a large arc...

      Things will improve, in a fairly similar way I'd imagine.

    5. Re:Boooooring by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 1
      I don't know about that. I'm not sure I'd want my trip to be as dull and controlled as a trip on a 747. These days when you fly somewhere it's about the destination, not about the trip.

      Personally I think sitting on the top of a big rocket type thing sounds pretty exciting as travel for travels sake goes. As long as I had a few moments to look down at the earth from a long way away then I think I'd find the destination worthwhile too.
      I want real space travel, and that requires being a little harsh on all the marketing that surrounds this.
      Yeah, I'm sure it helps a great deal.
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    6. Re:Boooooring by Teancum · · Score: 1

      That is part of my complaint about how the X-Prize foundation is treating this accomplishment by scaled composites: They have decided to turn the X-Prize into something like NASCAR... very artificial and only having very indirect relationships with the actual vehicles that they proportedly help to advance.

      Like NASCAR, they will be advancing things like engine performance and safety, but the goals are for things that people will not be using in everyday life.

      When the X-Prize was first announced, it was like "Hey, I might actually be able to be on that missile when it goes up". And to give Richard Branson at least some credit, the commercialization of sub-orbital flight (as opposed to supersonic flight) might turn out to be something positive in the long run. In this respect he is helping to blur the lines between ordinary airplanes and exotic spacecraft that otherwise have a very sharp distinction right now.

      Rutan and the others are all shooting for LEO now as a long-term goal, but I hope they don't get too distracted by these short-term profits. As you and other dissenters of these efforts have pointed out, there are some huge obsticles to overcome in order to get into a stable controlled orbit.

      On the other hand, I think incremental progress can be made with space vehicles now, rather than relying on whole new concepts like has driven the space industry so far. There is a world of difference between Apollo, Soyuz, and the Shuttle systems, and no real way to bring to cost of any of these systems in their present configuration to make commercial spaceflight a practical reality. That is the one very practical contribution that the X-Prize has made so far, even though I seem them dropping the ball now that they've made the first goal.

    7. Re:Boooooring by Pastis · · Score: 1

      Controlled space travel, like with a HAL computer? Forget about it. Go first. I've seen the movie :)

    8. Re:Boooooring by ebrandsberg · · Score: 1

      I would agree with you except for one point: They continued and progressed and made it better and reasonable. As a result, if you have to mark a point at the start of the science of flight, you have to say that was a pivotal moment, no matter if the actual flight itself wasn't exactly the best. It proved the idea, which is what the X-Prize was made to do. Now is when the fun REALLY begins.

    9. Re:Boooooring by brucehoult · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Orbital insertions are two orders of magnitude harder.

      No, orbital insertions require nearly 10 times the speed (or 100 times more energy). That doesn't mean that they are 100 times harder, and certainly not 100 times more expensive.

      Getting out of the atmosphere is the hard part. Once you're in vacuum all you need to do is burn more fuel, for longer. That's easy, and fuel is cheap. And manage the reentry, which we also know how to do.

      Yes, this is jus a first step, but it's a lot further towards going orbital than you seem to think.

      And once you're in orbit ... you're halfway to *anywhere* :-)

      The Wright Brother's big advance was controlled, powered flight.

      Actually, it was mostly the "controlled" part. They flew gliders before they flew powered aircraft, and they went back to gliders afterwards and had ten and thirty minute glider flights before they ever flew for that long in a powered aircraft.

      One of Burt Rutan's big accomplishments with SS1 is in fact a way to safely control the reentry with the "feathering" tail.

    10. Re:Boooooring by Pastis · · Score: 1

      You say. "Space travel is controlled space travel"

      I say: no. "Space travel is space travel" and "Controlled space travel is controlled space travel". Since when did you get chosen to define the semantics ? ;)

      And second, I would bet that if you had the chance of being in one of these trips, you wouldn't come back without beeing moved by the event. It must be f*cking impressive. Maybe in 150 years our grand-grand children will have to take the space driving license. In the mean time, according to our times, it's damn advanced.

      OK. I stop joking. This is NOT space travel. I agree :)

    11. Re:Boooooring by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't want to be a big, wet blanket here, and I don't want to say nothing has been accomplished; it was a necessary first step. But it ain't space travel. Orbital insertions are two orders of magnitude harder.

      Exactly. Let me summarize, people.

      Step 1. Take a Virgin into space.
      Step 2. Orbital insertion.
      Step 3. PROFIT!!!

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    12. Re:Boooooring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Orbital insertions are two orders of magnitude harder.

      Now *that* comment goes well with all the Virgin jokes on this thread... :)

    13. Re:Boooooring by FleaPlus · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't want marketing, I want real space travel, and that requires being a little harsh on all the marketing that surrounds this.

      How would you define "real space travel"?

      Judging by the cockpit view, this sure seems like space travel as far as I'm concerned.

      The Wright Brother's big advance was controlled, powered flight. Lots of people could shoot a projectile from one end of the field to the other, which is all (effectively) that was accomplished by Burt Rutan.

      SpaceShipOne is equipped with (and makes heavy use of) a reaction control system, which operates in the same general fashion as the reaction control systems on other spacecraft.

    14. Re:Boooooring by Xybot · · Score: 1

      Just a point in fact, the first powered flight was made by Richard Pearse in Timaru, New Zealand.

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    15. Re:Boooooring by The+Cydonian · · Score: 1
      No, it means you need to show a little respect to the people who set out to make it possible for you (an assumably normal person) to fly into space, however briefly.
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    16. Re:Boooooring by QuantumG · · Score: 1
      It's 1972. Intel has just released the 8008 microprocessor. Hobbiests and small electronics companies are struggling to sell "microcomputers" based on the new chip. It's up to you, do you buy one of these microcomputers, even though they're not as powerful as a "minicomputer", which btw, is something you can't afford anyway, or do you just complain loudly that microcomputers are useless and not really computers?

      Fast forward to 1979. Apple is making a killing with their Apple I and the soon to be announced Apple II microcomputer. Everyone is amazed at how much this little thing can do. Do you suck up your pride and buy one or do you complain loudly that it's not really a computer cause it can't run vms?

      Fast forward again to 1984. The Apple Mac and the IBM PC are fighting neck in neck for a slice of the market with little Amiga shouting in the background "I'm not a game machine damn it!" Do you buy one or do you complain loudly that they're still not really a computer cause it can't run unix?

      Welcome to 1992. Linus has just announced his pet project to create a kernel for the wealth of GNU tools that almost everyone has been running on their unix boxes for years now. Do you go buy a 386 and contribute some code or do you complain loudly that it's not really a unix kernel cause it's not POSIX correct?

      Pull ya finger out and get involved. Branson is the only person offering you a flight into space for anything you could ever hope to afford (if not in the first 10,000 people to go up at least in the next 10,000). You can't have a flight on the space shuttle or a deca-million-dollar trip on a russian booster, so buy the lesser product or support it until you can afford it and maybe one day we'll all get to go into orbit or to the moon.

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    17. Re:Boooooring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The first flight wasn't all that diffreent, but they had actually cracked the hard bits of controlled flight. By 1908 they were demonstrating full flight under control and other people were finding it easy to copy them.

      What Rutan did last year does not have a clear evolutionary path to controlled orbital flight and re-entry.

    18. Re:Boooooring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is your evidence that SpaceShipOne had a reaction control system (RCS)?

      The documentary that I saw about the first flights made it look like once it left the atmosphere it was pretty much at the mercy of whatever its angular momentum was before it ran out of air to maneuver in.

      Seriously - are you sure it had an RCS?

    19. Re:Boooooring by stanmann · · Score: 1

      Repeatedly crashing into hedges does not qualify as landing.

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    20. Re:Boooooring by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 1
      It's 1972. Intel has just released the 8008 microprocessor. Hobbiests and small electronics companies are struggling to sell "microcomputers" based on the new chip. It's up to you, do you buy one of these microcomputers, even though they're not as powerful as a "minicomputer", which btw, is something you can't afford anyway, or do you just complain loudly that microcomputers are useless and not really computers?

      That'd be great... if this was the equivalent of an 8008. Which it's not.

      It's the equivalent of a Magic Brain Calculator. A nice toy, but utterly useless to getting to full-blown electronic computers.

      This was a *stunt*!! You don't seem to understand that this technology is almost totally useless for getting to orbit. It's not scalable. What it really is is a proof-of-concept of building a rocket by a private individual. But it's not space travel.

      I want them to succeed. Supposedly they're working on real space vehicles, and more power to them.

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    21. Re:Boooooring by FleaPlus · · Score: 1

      From the "How Things Work" link:

      In many cases the Scaled team had to create the tools and features needed to make SpaceShipOne work. As an example, Gionta explained how the reinvented reaction control system on SpaceShipOne works:

      When we're out in space, all you need to do is release a puff of air in a direction to give you a reaction force to push you the other way. That's pretty much what [a reaction control system] is. We have high-pressure air stored in bottles on the ship, and we release a little blast of air for about one second on, say, the right wing tip pointing up. And that is enough when you're in space to push that wingtip down. So it effectively rolls the aircraft, and that's your controls when you're out in space. It's the same thing a spaceship or the shuttle uses, except on a much, much smaller scale and much more economical. So we had to develop that. We created a fixed-based, full-mission simulation of the craft so we could size our reaction control system.

  28. surly bonds' of the atmosphere by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 1

    >'surly bonds' of the atmosphere

    1. I think the biggest bond to the planet is gravity, not friction.

    2. Why would the "bonds" be described as sullen ill-humored, threatening, or arrogant?

    1. Re:surly bonds' of the atmosphere by Dark+Demon · · Score: 0

      Maybe it's a reference to the less popular Mi6 agent 0069?

    2. Re:surly bonds' of the atmosphere by ikkonoishi · · Score: 1
      Poetry.

      High Flight
      by John Gillespie Magee, Jr.

      Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth,
      And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
      Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
      Of sun-split clouds...and done a hundred things
      You have not dreamed of...wheeled and soared and swung
      High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there,
      I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
      My eager craft through footless halls of air.
      Up, up, the long, delirious burning blue
      I've topped the windswept heights with easy grace
      Where never lark, nor even eagle flew.
      And while with silent, lifting mind I've trod
      The high untrespassed sanctity of space...
      ...put out my hand, and touched the face of God.

    3. Re:surly bonds' of the atmosphere by kzinti · · Score: 1

      Surly is one of the Seven Duffs. Thus, "Surly bonds" is clearly a subtle reference to drunken S&M games like those shown in the episode "Marge's Little Dungeon of Horror" from the bootleg Simpsons Director's Cut that's currently making the rounds on Kazaa.

  29. Could have been funnier by BiggerIsBetter · · Score: 1

    Dick to take Virgin into Orbit.

    Try the veal. :D

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  30. Costs in perspective by FleaPlus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the article:

    But look at the upside. The total price tag [for Virgin Galactic] is half the cost of a single Airbus A340-600 - and Virgin Atlantic ordered 26 of those last summer. In return, Branson gets bragging rights to one of the cooler breakthroughs of the early 21st century, with rocket-powered marketing opportunities that could fuel excitement - and sales - in his entire 200-company holding group.

    People often complain about how much stuff like this supposedly costs, but it's interesting to see what a small amount it is compared to how much is typically thrown around in the airline industry. The marketing value alone is probably worth the cost of the fleet.

    1. Re:Costs in perspective by Rei · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, and with good maintainance you'll get ~40,000 takeoff and landing cycles with that A340-600, and it usually carries around 380 passengers. You do the math.

      The article is right, though - look at all the exposure it's gotten Virgin on Slashdot alone ;) All he did was fund a small venture with relatively moderate accomplishments, and he gets two articles a week for the next two years. ;)

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    2. Re:Costs in perspective by FleaPlus · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and with good maintainance you'll get ~40,000 takeoff and landing cycles with that A340-600, and it usually carries around 380 passengers. You do the math.

      In all fairness, since it's so early in the game Branson is also paying for a large chunk of the development costs per unit. I can't find stats for the A340-600, but it looks like the A380 has cost around $10.7 billion so far. Of course, this is still very much an apples-and-oranges comparison.

      In terms of capacities, it's possible that a marginally better comparison might be something like a Gulfstream V jet, which cost $46 million apiece and hold a max of 19 passengers. I'd be interested to see if Scaled and/or Virgin tries targetting a similar market in the future, offering a point-to-point rocket for wealthy business travelers who need to get there ASAP, and wouldn't mind an extraordinary ride (and possibly a higher-than-average degree of danger) in the process.

    3. Re:Costs in perspective by hoofie · · Score: 1

      To be pedantic, Branson doesn't pony up for those jets. A leasing company actually buys the jets from Airbus, via bank funding. The leasing company then leases the jets to Virgin Atlantic for a set time. Virgin doesn't actually own any of its aircraft.

  31. Then why are MILFs so popular? by mosel-saar-ruwer · · Score: 1

    Hmmm.

    Virgin.

    MILF.

    Enter cognitive dissonance, stage left.

    1. Re:Then why are MILFs so popular? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Different strokes for different folks, dumbass.

    2. Re:Then why are MILFs so popular? by Horse+Rotorvator+JAD · · Score: 1

      Then why are MILFs so popular?

      Because for some people it is easier and more enjoyable to fantasize about women who might be in their reach someday. The average MILF porn chick is well within the reach of a large part of the male population while Vivid girls and the like are so out of reach that even fantasizing about them can seem unrealistic.

  32. I can't be the only one... by andalay · · Score: 0, Redundant

    ... who thought someone got deflowered in space.

  33. Wired has a stor by stor · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...but Slashdot has the original

    Cheers
    Stor

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  34. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... a virgin in space, eh? So which Slashdotter is going?

  35. Wired subscribers have seen all these a while ago by artifex2004 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I really wish /. would make a section just for Wired article reposting, so those of us who read them already can ignore these when they dribble out a couple weeks after we get them via snail mail.

  36. WTF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sounds like a bad Japanese Hentai Title: "Sir Richard takes a virgin 3"

  37. Wow, someone's having a field day with this... by mOoZik · · Score: 2, Funny

    VIRGINS in space, from the BLASTING OFF department? Hah!

  38. The Rebel Billionaire by SteelV · · Score: 1

    I saw on Branson's (failure of a ) reality show that the contestants made commercials for Virgin Galactic, but I have yet to see them on TV. I think he thought they were too horrible to use, or perhaps didn't want to spend the money and considered his reality show to be, essentially, a free commercial.

    1. Re:The Rebel Billionaire by mOoZik · · Score: 1

      Why is it a failure? Because it isn't "The Apprentice" or a similar knockoff?

  39. So, how many referrals do you need for this? by ewanrg · · Score: 1
    I'm just wondering how many referrals you'd need for his obviously upcoming "FreeVirgin.com"...

    Wait a second...

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  40. Virgin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More like Dirty Whore!

  41. Discount? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Any chance of a volume discount


    Yes, but fat people pay extra.
  42. time to cash in my air miles by ddurdle · · Score: 2, Funny

    Do they take air miles?

  43. Good question by AndreyF · · Score: 2, Interesting
  44. fogetting his duties as a knight by Neward+Rylet · · Score: 1

    Sir Richard Branson has his way with virgin in space! How vile! I thought knights were supposed to protect maidens!

  45. better get.... by MoFoQ · · Score: 1

    better get super miles for my mileage card...or a free "escort" service with that $200k price tag.

  46. not alone by bobalu · · Score: 1

    Well if you're gonna go there, check the # of NY Times articles. All that reg. horseshit aside, I've usually read this stuff in AP News or the NY Times way before it gets through Slashdot. This is not unusual though, there's a lot of cross-feeding in that biz.

    It's the sparkling commentary we're here for. :-)

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  47. Slashdot is officially Wired's whore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop plugging Wired already!

  48. had to go one better by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 1

    BA wouldn't sell him all the concordes, he didn't fly round the world in his balloon, so he had to go one better and fly into space, typical.

  49. Sir Richard takes Virgin... by VariableSanity · · Score: 1

    That is what firefox said...

  50. Re:The Linux revolution is losing steam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now that's what I call a troll.

  51. Re:Wired subscribers have seen all these a while a by Wdi · · Score: 1

    I second this. I was going to post a similar comment. I received that Wired issue several weeks ago.

  52. This headline should have read: by crashnbur · · Score: 1

    "Dick takes Virgin into Space" ...or at least it should have made use of the nickname for Richard. :)

  53. Entrepreneur of the Year: Burt Rutan by FleaPlus · · Score: 4, Informative

    In December, Inc. Magazine also selected Burt Rutan as Entrepreneur of the Year. The article is a very good read, and gives a lot of details about Rutan's management style.

    A snippet:

    As a manager, Rutan has proven intuitively adept at inspiring loyalty and extraordinary work. He doesn't worry so much about the formal background of the engineers he hires. He looks for people who share his passion for aircraft design and gives those who have it free rein. Instead of the specialists sought by aerospace companies, he encourages his staffers to remain generalists who can design anything from a fuselage to a door handle and then go into the shop and build it. Chief engineer Matthew Gionta recalls starting off at the company right out of graduate school in 1994 and being handed the project-leader slot on an ultra-high-tech unmanned aircraft. "What I had to learn on the job made my formal education pale in comparison, but I had to learn it because no one else was going to do it for me," Gionta says. "The stress took years off my life, but when you get that kind of responsibility, it's hard not to feel ownership."

    Rutan is loath to codify his approach to managing. "I don't like rules," he says. "Things are so easy to change if you don't write them down." But one way or another, he has communicated a few simple principles to employees. One is that when it comes to safety issues -- and in aircraft design, almost everything is a safety issue -- everyone should be quick to raise questions. Rutan makes sure that when people at Scaled point out their own mistakes, they're applauded rather than reprimanded. And instead of extensively analyzing a design before building it, a notion that's axiomatic in the aerospace industry, Rutan pushes his people to get a first version built quickly, test it, and fix it. Says Gionta: "Testing leads to failure, and failure leads to understanding."

    1. Re:Entrepreneur of the Year: Burt Rutan by hughk · · Score: 1
      Rutan makes sure that when people at Scaled point out their own mistakes, they're applauded rather than reprimanded. I would hate that he didn't build Scaled, but he sounds like the kind of guy who they should have had to run the shuttle programme.
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  54. Lazy Contributors by GISGEOLOGYGEEK · · Score: 1

    Yipee! it must be time for another issue of Wired!

    It must be because the damn lazy editors of slashdot have posted at least 3 stories from wired in the few couple days.

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  55. Wow! by null-sRc · · Score: 1

    a slashdot member in space! who would have thought they would pass the physical endurance tests?!

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  56. Most...deceptive...title...ever! by Cervantes · · Score: 1

    Seriously, who comes up with this stuff? Nerd who never get laid or something?

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  57. o yezz! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    orbital insertions virgins 100 times harder vacuum reentry keep it coming! keep it coming!

  58. A few errors by p3d0 · · Score: 1
    There are a few errors in your post...
    No, orbital insertions require nearly 10 times the speed (or 100 times more energy).
    It requires a bit more than 7 times the speed (mach 22 versus 3), which is 50 times the kinetic energy.
    That doesn't mean that they are 100 times harder, and certainly not 100 times more expensive.
    True, it's much harder. Exponentially so, according to the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation. With Space Ship One's exhaust velocity of 2.5 km/s, getting to Mach 3 requires that your propellant makes up 63% of the launch mass of the rocket, which is easily achievable. For Mach 22, the propellant outweighs the spent rocket 20 to 1, which is almost impossible. In other words, they can't use the same rocket technology to reach orbit. (All of this ignores air resistance, which only makes achieving orbit much harder.)
    And once you're in orbit ... you're halfway to *anywhere* :-)
    Not really. It's true that a circular orbit has half the kinetic energy required for escape, but that's not really relevant. Firstly, it's delta-v that costs rocket fuel, not kinetic energy. Secondly, you not only need to consider escaping Earth (which costs about 3.5 km/s from LEO), but also the Sun (which costs another 15 km/s). Even within the solar system, most places are harder to reach than escape, because you need to slow down when you get there.
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  59. For reference by deblau · · Score: 1
    High Flight
    by John Gillespie Magee, Jr.
    Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth,
    And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
    Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
    Of sun-split clouds...and done a hundred things
    You have not dreamed of...wheeled and soared and swung
    High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there,
    I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
    My eager craft through footless halls of air.
    Up, up, the long, delirious burning blue
    I've topped the windswept heights with easy grace
    Where never lark, nor even eagle flew.
    And while with silent, lifting mind I've trod
    The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
    Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.

    N.B. I have it framed and hanging in my bedroom. It seems quite the apt description of what they are attempting.

    P.S. John Magee was a pilot in the RCAF, No. 412 squadron, during WWII. He wrote the poem when he was only 19. He died a few months later.

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  60. Now if only . . . by weighn · · Score: 1

    they can figure out how to snort coke in zero-g.

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  61. Virgin Galactic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Virgin Galactic: to boldly go where no man has gone before

  62. Virgin? With all that space? by Thomas_CK · · Score: 1

    I thought space lost its virginity a few decades ago? I guess its claiming to be "born again".