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N-Gage No Longer Relevant

Spong.com (via Kotaku) has a story discussing a dire portent for the N-Gage. The Entertainment & Leisure Software Publishers Association sales charts will no longer reflect N-Gage sales. From the article: "The N-Gage chart, though still produced, is of little interest to anyone. Sales of the machine and its software have failed to make any impact on the market at all. We still keep sales charted and are available on monthly, quarterly and annual reports, though we have dropped the platform from the ELSPA chart following a lack of interest."

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  1. Premature post-mortem? by Lindsay+Lohan · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Sales of the machine and its software have failed to make any impact on the market at all.
    I'd heard that a new version of the N-Gage hardware will be introduced before Nov. 2005 - possibly as early as September - although the platform will remain backwards compatible throughout. Although they will admit to slow sales, sounds like Nokia is not quite ready to judge the N-Gage as a success or failure.

    I remember the same fatal pronouncements for Windows CE... four years ago.

    Then again, N-Gage really could be a dying platform.
    1. Re:Premature post-mortem? by mgs1000 · · Score: 4, Informative
      Actually, Nokia just eliminated a bunch of the people working on N-Gage stuff.

      They are about to pull the plug on the whole damn thing.

    2. Re:Premature post-mortem? by OverlordQ · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well Netcraft hasn't confirmed it, so I'd be wary of this story.

      *grin*

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    3. Re:Premature post-mortem? by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 2, Funny
      I'd heard that a new version of the N-Gage hardware will be introduced before Nov. 2005

      Let me guess... it will be called the "HO-Gage".

    4. Re:Premature post-mortem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      Actually, Nokia just eliminated a bunch of the people working on N-Gage stuff.

      That article does not say they were elimintated from the N-Gage project specifically.
      Nokia Corp., the world's biggest mobile phone maker, said Tuesday it plans to lay off "a few hundred" research and development workers globally, including up to 250 in Finland, in a move to cut costs
      Sounds like a good business move to me.
    5. Re:Premature post-mortem? by Doomdark · · Score: 2, Interesting
      That article does not say they were elimintated from the N-Gage project specifically.

      Of course not. Why would Nokia give out that specific information? The cuts are announced to please the investors; specifying any more details would have no benefit for the company. But it's pretty obvious where the cuts are done, considering what multimedia products company is involved in, and especially lackluster sales.

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    6. Re:Premature post-mortem? by stonecypher · · Score: 2, Interesting

      i doub that they even don't have

      Well said, Bierce, well said. For what it's worth, the Nokia design team for the N-Gage hardware alone was almost 200 people, let alone the seven seperate development teams they had. Hell, their E3 staff was almost a hundred.

      actually you're just pulling stuff from your ass

      In that respect he's not alone.

      of course, if you don't know anything about nokia you could assume so

      This from someone which thinks a N-Gage is a 3650 plus ram, and doubts that Nokia maintains what would in the industry be considered a bare bones staff? You sir need to get an altimeter for your horse, before the FAA takes you down as a flight risk.

      Mod parent down: his insights don't bear up to facts. Arrogance isn't knowledge, and the grandparent poster did not deserve the attitude he was given, whether or not he was incorrect.

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  2. The truth hurts I guess... by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    ...but "No Longer" suggests they once were.

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  3. Correction by checkitout · · Score: 4, Funny

    Shouldn't the title read: N-Gage, Never Relevant

    1. Re:Correction by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 3, Funny

      And oddly, it's "stuff that matters"

  4. This is all because... by aznxk3vi17 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...they took out sidetalking.

    I mean, COME ON! That was the best feature!

    1. Re:This is all because... by tktk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It probably was....

    2. Re:This is all because... by nkh · · Score: 2, Funny

      More information here (a Nokia ad can be downloaded from the same site).

  5. To Sum: by holzp · · Score: 4, Funny

    The N-Gage is not EN-Gaging.

  6. Well duh. by AltGrendel · · Score: 4, Insightful
    What they probably should have done is license something that was alreay in the market, like a GBA or something.

    I couldn't see how a new platform like this would hit anything other than a small, unsustainable, niche market.

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    1. Re:Well duh. by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Informative

      they sort of did it. they 'licensed' their own platform, series 60 - and built the system over it. n-gage is a strong machine, not because of games(which have just gotten to good level of playability, actually - even reporters who have always hated ngage before have had to admit that), but because of all the series60 software available for it.

      from irc to web browsers to aim to rss readers to python support(can you script your gba with python? DIDN'T THINK SO!).

      does nintendo offer a sdk for download for free? no.
      does sony offer sdk for psp for normal people? no.

      nokia does, symbian may be a bitch of a platform to get into but it's open for everyone to get into, to port emulators, to code games for. you want to write a rss reader in python with c++ components? fine, do it, you're free to do just that.

      plus, some of the best games available for it are not 'n-gage' games, they're series60 games.

      (..and I doubt it being very expensive for them to produce, as hardware wise it is almost identical to the 3650, with the difference that n-gage has more ram)

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    2. Re:Well duh. by countach · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly right. N-gage is a bloody brilliant phone, at a cheap price, that also happens to play some damned addictive games with full 3D graphics. Even without the games, n-gage is the best value phone on the market. But some of these games beat GB-Advance hands down. They may not beat Nintendo-DS, but hey this is a phone. You can actually stick the thing in your pocket.

    3. Re:Well duh. by stonecypher · · Score: 2, Interesting

      (can you script your gba with python? DIDN'T THINK SO!)

      Yes, actually, you can. The amateur gameboy community currently runs C, C++, Pascal, Object Pascal, Java, Forth, Python, Ruby, Scheme, Lua and god only knows how many flavors of assembly.

      Weren't you just telling someone else not to speak up about things they didn't know shinola about?

      does nintendo offer a sdk for download for free? no.

      To licensed developers, the SDK has been free since about June of last year, on the heels of the announcements about the DS in order to cause incentives for startups to continue producing software for the legacy platform. Of course, if you'd ever been to WarioWorld.com, you'd know that.

      does sony offer sdk for psp for normal people? no.

      Isn't this a bit premature? They haven't even released it to two of their three markets, and every single Sony gaming platform in history has had development hardware sold to average Joes, something no other gaming platform producer - including Nokia - can claim.

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    4. Re:Well duh. by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I got it as a phone a while ago. It's a Symbian Series 60 phone for a fraction of the price of others. My expectations of the N-Gage as a gaming device were minimal, to say the least.

      But I just picked up Pathways to Glory. It's impressive, an excellent game of considerable depth. Pocket Kingdoms also looks like a first-rate title.

      The way I look at it is - I need a phone, don't you? Why not this one? It's not the one gaming platform that everyone should have, but it could be the phone that every gamer should have. Or could have been.

      PS. I got the QD. Had no interest in the first one. I've got some dignity.

    5. Re:Well duh. by mausmalone · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's all well and good, and theoretically you can do a lot of stuff with a series60 phone and the SDK, but in practice the actual hardware simply isn't strong enough to do what Nokia wanted it to do. If they wanted games to work well on the thing, all they had to do was make a few of them 2D. Also, the vertical screen was a total piece of stupidity (although, a portable DoDonPachi would have been cool). There were other serious design flaws that we all know, too. The grandparent is kinda right that by licensing another platform and then adding the telecom features to it, they may have enjoyed success. The parent is right that the s60 is a great platform. The problem, though, is that the s60 isn't designed for gaming, and that the other portable platforms aren't designed for anything but gaming. For a project this ambitious, Nokia should have (a) designed an entirely new platform that would better suit its needs, (b) do some market research (the numerous obvious major flaws of the first NGage shows that their research and testing was inadequate), (c) waited until the technology matured enough to support their goals.

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    6. Re:Well duh. by stonecypher · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But I just picked up Pathways to Glory. It's impressive, an excellent game of considerable depth.

      Interesting. That's counter to what I was told, but I'll give it a shot.

      Pocket Kingdoms also looks like a first-rate title.

      That's because they've got good advertisers. The game is awful.

      The way I look at it is - I need a phone, don't you? Why not this one?

      Because my phone cost me thirty bucks and didn't tie me into a service contract, meaning that I was able to shop around for good rates; the idea that a free N-Gage is actually free belies a failure to grasp amortized costs. Besides, the controls are a hassle, it's huge, and in my opinion it's hard on the eyes.

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  7. Netcraft confirms! by krbvroc1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Netcraft confirms it is not relevant. Meanwhile, on Slashdot, its irrelevancy is featured on the front page.

    Irrelevant News for News. Stuff that doesn't matter anymore.

  8. Big News by onewing · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Over priced phone that has no must own games is not revevant in the hand held market?
    Big surprised there, especially with Sony and Nintendo battling for the same market.

  9. This headline is about 2 years late... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let's face it, this is the single biggest IT blunder in recent times.

    After capturing a large portion of the cellular phone market, Nokia decides to stop developing new phones and build a portable game device - without a 3d chip. Any company trying to break into portable gaming without a 3d chipset, of any kind, is stupid, but a company that would divert resources from its core business, is just plain retarded.

    Good job Nokia. You are now a company that makes both phones and games that no one wants.

    1. Re:This headline is about 2 years late... by countach · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hello? N-gage does full 3D polygon graphics. It runs a brilliant version of Pro-Skater, which is a full 3-D world for your skateboard. You can't run pro-skater on Game boy because it has no 3D graphics, but n-gage runs it brilliantly.

  10. ngage is a prime example by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    of what not to do.

    they had a great idea but half assed it in every way from the beginning.

    underpowered and a crappy phone! then come out with a second generation version and piss off the customers you already have.

    nope, n-gage was a prime example of the engineers having to bastardize something so the suits were able to get their "price point" instead of a quality product.

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  11. Penny Arcade said it best... by MLopat · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think this comic from Penny Arcade pretty much sums up how much we all care about N-Gage

  12. N-Gage? by Fr05t · · Score: 4, Funny

    What's an N-Gage?

  13. Japan even hated it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    No offense, but the phones in Japan had "N-Gage"-Like machines nearly 5 years ago. They are so far ahead of us on their phones now, the only thing that would "go down like gangbusters" over there right now is a 4 Ghz Intel running XP. Half their phones are already running various OS's with everything you could think of added onto them.

    Their market is entirely different and light years ahead of everyone else. What is strange, is none of it makes it way OUT of Japan. We're still ooing and ahhing over the Raz0r phone, when they had that years and years ago. Old news to them. Nothing special.

  14. Choo Choo! by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Funny

    Let me guess... it will be called the "HO-Gage".

    Well, then it sounds like it would be perfect for Choo Choo Rocket!

    Or perhaps a port of Railroad Tycoon.

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  15. Oh my god!?! by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 4, Funny

    What about the Atari Lynx, please tell me they didn't drop it from the charts!

  16. An interesting story by The_Whole_Fn_Show · · Score: 5, Funny

    My brother was telling me about a friend of his that works for GameStop (in the Cleveland, OH area).

    Apparently, they were the leading store of N-Gages sold, with 1. It caught some guy's eye as he was walking out of the store, so he decided he'd buy it on a whim. That guy returned it a week later.

    So, with one returned unit, that store still had the most N-Gage sales in the Cleveland area.

  17. Re:Store demo's helped to kill this product by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The game is Pandemonium!

    Of course, once you know how to use the device it isn't that bad.

    It just costs too much. They charge more for N-Gage games than for GBA games, and most are of a lesser quality. Now it has to face off against PSP and DS.

    They need to relabel it as a cell-phone that plays games, and sell it at the Verizon store, not EB or GameStop. If they insist on marketing it as a console, they have to square off against Sony and Nintendo, and will get their balls handed to them.

    I actually do hope they pull it out. Competition in the gaming market is good, we need more than one or two handheld platforms.

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  18. Re:Why are you shocked? by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't know what world you were living in where PSX succeeded early. IIRC, it launched with Ridge Racer and Toshinden. It took two years for it to have 34 titles. There was so much competition back then, people just held on to their SNES and Genesis', not knowing whether to bet on PSX, Saturn, Jaguar, 3DO, CD-I, CD32, or wait for N64..

    The PSX dragged along with lackluster titles, terrible loading times, and people were ready to write it off until a little something called Final Fantasy VII saved it.

    Luckily for sony, 3DO, Saturn, Jaguar and CDI all sucked worse than it did, and they got a good couple years head start on the N64. If Nintendo had N64 ready when PSX launched, I doubt Sony would be where they are today.

    A big kick in the nuts was it's port of Mortal Kombat III, which would be arcade-perfect. It was taking a couple minutes to load each round. The SNES started outselling it.

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  19. DEAD BEFORE IT WENT GOLD! by enigmals1 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The whole N-Gage thing was dead before the product hit the shelves! Especially considering it's size, it's a mediocre compromise of technologies at best.

    That thing is basically analogous to a gamer buying a motherboard with everything integrated like a bid'ness PC. Your phone, PDA, and gaming system are all lumped into one...that means so are all the features and upgrade paths. No thank you. I'll stick to separate components if I want a portable game system. Or wait for a palm PC with a nice graphics chipset/card.

  20. HO Guage is better. by XB-70 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've been a fan of HO gage since I was about thirteen (I'm now 47). N-gage was always too small and the trucks seemed too big on most of the rolling stock that I looked at. So, I'm really glad to hear of it's demise. Oh... I just read a bit of the other comments. I found that some of the consoles that some of the other model railroaders used were not very good either. Anyway, keep up the good work in reporting all the latest. It's a real help to be tapped in and know what's going on.

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  21. Surprisingly, they sell! by Humorously_Inept · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Everything I've heard suggests that owners are pretty happy with the phones, despite their varied flaws, and that well over a million have been sold. Looks like people are buying it as a cheap phone instead of a gaming platform, much to Nokia's chagrin (although they'd never say anything like that).

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    1. Re:Surprisingly, they sell! by stonecypher · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nokia has been lying about their sales the whole time. As of Feb '04 they claimed to have shipped 600,000 units, even though after its first two weeks on the market they claimed 400,000 units, and claimed two weeks later to have doubled that. It seems a year later, a quarter of that sold inventory evaporated.

      Of course, you should check the date on that article at The Register - it's Feb 24, '04. In fact, just three weeks earlier they had lied and claimed to pass the million unit mark.

      Nobody in the industry was fooled. Unfortunately I can't link you to the speculation which I really want to give you, but the rumor is that Nokia never actually shipped half a million units, and that less than five percent of them have been sold, whereas an unheard of ninety percent have been returned by retailers. To give you a sense of scale, that famously bad Atari 2600 E.T. game which many people claim as the worst game in history not only outshipped and outsold the N-Gage in its entirety, but also had a lower return rate.

      Listen harder. There are more hits for the phrase "n-gage sucks" than there were confirmed walmart sales of the device the world over in two years of carrying the monstrosity.

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  22. Wasn't designed for games at all by GoatSucker · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm not surprised by this - the N-Gage sucked as a phone that could play games. I got one free, and absolutely hated it. Once of the main problems was that it's hardware and software were identical to a normal Nokia smartphone (e.g Nokia 3650). So once the games got hacked and you could play them on a standard Nokia phone (or even a Siemens phone!), why would anyone use an N-Gage. If it had an extra 3D processor, the idea might have worked...

    Personally, I think the best way out the mess is to keep the N-Gage brand as a software only thing, and publish excellent multi-player games for the top range of Nokia phones, to get people to buy a Nokia instead of the competition.

  23. Why N-Gage sucks by Mori+Chu · · Score: 3, Insightful
    It tries to be many things and doesn't excel at any of them. People want mobile devices that do things well foremost, and do many things second.

    Let this be a lesson to the "convergence"-crazy companies who are putting blurry cameras, pitiful games, tiny amounts of MP3 storage, and other features into cell phones that don't even make calls well. Give me a GameBoy Advance and a solid cell phone in separate casing any day.

  24. My impression by aliens · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I got an N-Gage QD when I needed a new phone because after rebates it was $0 with a bluetooth headset. I love it.

    I have a great NES Emulator it, great gameboy, AgileChat for IM, PuTTY that actually is workable enough to connect and run some specially made bash scripts, Opera, and some really fun games. I'm addicted to Tony Hawk it's so much like the original on PS1. The only thing that doesn't exist in the QD is Stereo sound :( but I have an iPod.

    All in all I think had they not released the original Ngage they would have done much better. That's what you get when you rush product without QA and test groups.

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  25. N-Gage No Longer Relevant by Refrag · · Score: 4, Funny

    Doesn't the title falsely indicate that the N-Gage was at one time relevant?

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