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KDE 3.4 goes Beta
wikinerd writes "KDE 3.4 has reached its beta testing phase. The KDE 3.4beta1 is codenamed 'Krokodile' and pre-compiled packages are already available for Slackware, but if you need to compile it by yourself first check its compilation requirements."
Re: the KDE 3.4 Compilation Requirements...
I would categorize the X Render Extension as recommended as opposed to optional. Aren't anti-aliased fonts a basic feature of any modern desktop environment?
Kall me when there's a release kandidate.
I'm looking forward to giving 3.4 a try. Why? Because on my modest hardware it seems like Qt has gotten faster over the past 2 years while GTK2 has gotten slower.
Are there any screenshots of this? What does it look like? Is it pretty? Does it have new features both usably, and visually?
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I was hoping for a release using Qt 4 - mmm, double buffering....
:)
I'll patiently wait
It's not that bad on Gentoo. I mean, I have a mid-range P4 system that will spend roughly 6 hours compiling a full KDE install even with all the crap that I could forgo but don't bother to. As long as I'm not trying to play a 3D game or anything I can still get work done without any hassles. :)
Hey, I bet all the guys who have Athlon-64's will chime in now about how they get done compiling before they even have the packages downloaded
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just when you thought debian sarge was going to go stable some time this year...
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How are they inherent problems with source-base distros?
Gentoo has binary packages available for mozilla, OOo, firefox, thunderbird, and other commonly used large applications.
When I compiled KDE 3.3.2 a few months ago, I didn't compile the whole KDE set, but just the packages I wanted. And compiling large applications like this isn't really a big deal if you do it right. Just start it before you go to sleep. When you wake up, it's done. That might sound like I'm joking, but it's really a painless process if you are interested in getting bleeding edge software.
Even some folks on Nekochan.net have managed to compile 3.3.x on SGI IRIX. Believe me, if you can get code to compile on SGI's overly-anal MIPSpro compiler, you can get it to compile ANYWHERE!
:(
Ditto for Mozilla. OOo is another story though
I'm actually most excited because this means that, in not too long, people will start really working on KDE 4.0. That's the release I want. 3.4 is a finalization of the 3's, really. It's got some nice cleanup of what's there and will run a little better, but almost all the features that were ever going into the 3's are already there.
But 4.0...oh, I can hardly wait...
I meant source based distrobution, as opposed to putting out binaries. I wasn't talking about specific linux distros like Gentoo.
It's fine for geeks, but normal folk just want to install it and be using it 5 minutes later.
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What does 3.4 include? Features? bugfixes? etc?
http://saveie6.com/
Does it use DBUS yet? Thats what im waiting for... better hardware response. I dont mean to complain, but everytime i try to unmount a usb drive, etc. my windows using friend makes snide remarks about Linux... its starting to drive me nuts. Usually im not running anything that should be accessing it either (the most used command on my computer is pkill -9 konqueror, lol).
Notice how the translations are larger than everything else combined ?
That I partially reflects the share number of languages available. It also shows how modular KDE's design is. I.e. You can strip out everything language dependent into a separate package without breaking the rest. (Yes, it compiles in English without the i18n package).
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I don't see a pro debian slant to that site, only poking fun at gentoo zealots. In my opinion, there are four types of linux users. Gentoo zealots, Debian zealots, Linux zealots, and everyone else. You are obviously a Gentoo zealot because Gentoo zealtots think everyone who isn't a Gentoo zealot is a Debian zealot, because in your world there is only source vs rpm.
Say what you want about KDE, but after playing with 3.3, I finally made the switch from GNOME to KDE. I especially like the level of integration in between apps, the transparency settings for menus and applications, and KDevelop. Gnome is awesome too, especially 2.8, but KDE just seems to have more polish to it.
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Debian's auto-release script is hard-wired to a Brownian Motion Vector Plotter and a realy hot cup of tea. The release after next will be out sometime last year.
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Oh okay, I gotcha. Sorry for the gentoo rant then.
They probably do it because the people using are testers and this way they can find more bugs.
I can start a compile of kdelibs, kdebase, kdenetwork, kdepim, kdegraphics, and kdeoffice, on my modest XP 1800, let it run overnight, and I have a new desktop in the morning.
It is called *multitasking*. You can do other things with the computer while it is compiling you know.
That type of function has nothing at all todo with DBUS in its current state. You should be looking into hotplug. My stock Gentoo install, which I have hardly tweaked at all, automagically mounts and unmounts my USB drive, no problems whatsoever.
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Don't download the pre-release marked "krakatoa"
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I don't even want to know what Gentoo zealots things of Fedora and Mandrake users (by which I mean those us with better things to do than compile packages all day).
I actually compiled this about a week ago, seems like. Took me about 20 hours of course (like 15 without QT, seems like).... It seemed a little bit unstable to me, but then, I've never been great at diagnosing the exact problem in Linux =)
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
..what exactly there is a "seperate technical issue"?
the guy didn't make the stuff up even, just copied from gentoo zealots.
the stuff is so silly that it IS funny.
(gentoo is a great distro but it sure does a crappy job of discouraging idiots who don't know what they're doing from thinking that they know what they're doing)
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
As a Gentoo user of nearly 3 years, I have no special thoughts about Debian, RedHat, Mandrake or other distro's users. I'm sure they are all fine people and enjoy their distributions just as much as I enjoy Gentoo.
If you mod me down, I *will* introduce you to my sister!
where's the problem exactly?
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the inherent problem with source based distro's is a lack of a proper progress bar. would you really care if its an rpm being installed or something being compiled as long as there is a bar and an indicator of how much time is left?
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Three things...
1) Compiling KDE takes 6 hours tops on my Athlon XP 2800+, and that's not even considered that powerful these days. I can start it right before I go to sleep, and it's done before I wake up.
2) I can't stand vanilla OOo. I use Ximian's patchset (ooo-build) with as much KDE integration as possible. I've yet to see a binary for it, so source is my only choice.
3) Mozilla has stopped putting XFT-disabled Firefox (and Thunderbird) builds on their website. I used to just grab the binary there, but I can't do that now. Compiling it from source is the only way I can get Firefox (or Thunderbird) without XFT support.
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Well you see, that right there is what makes you NOT a Gentoo zealot. It relegates to the much more sensible ranks of fan, advocate, or promoter.
Great! Let's see you get those times on my 733Mhz PIII.
It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
What are you running? OO took TEN hours for me
Sorcerer [1] has an estimated time left to compile.
[1] http://sorcerer.wox.org/
2600+/333 t'bred B, and a somewhat decent day on the college network.
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okay, so kde is going to take 10 hours to compile.
do it overnight. do it in a knoppix session. do both, like I did.
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I'm on a 2000+/266 FSB with 256 megs of ram. At least I was out for most of the compile ;)
I just did the installation from inside knoppix (mainly because the gentoo livecd's won't boot on this system for some odd reason. saw someone talking about the same problem on freenode/#gentoo the other day, nobody seemed to know about it) and did most of the heavy compiling overnight, so wasn't too bad.
As for now, I'm kinda liking the scheduler in ck-sources -- almost can't tell anything's compiling
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it may byte you in the ass..
I guess I need to build a screw around machine. I have so much trying beta on my production machine. I get up each day and tell myself, "Well now, everything is working fine. Let's fix that!"...
If this release is named "Krokodile", I think the default startup music should be "Schnappi!"
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
I compiled from Knoppix, but put off the openoffice install as long as possible.
;)
I started the compile, showered, went out to lunch, had a haircut, mowed the lawn, visited some friends.
Then waited another 5 hours
Maybe the next version can be called Kasselhoff.
Nothing should take 10-20 hours to "install" on an end-user desktop.
What use would a progress bar be? You'd need a 40 foot wide screen to even see it moving.
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does anyone have any luck with autospellcheck (spellcheck as you type, red underlining of words if you make a spelling mistake) in kate? They were saying that this was going to be released in 3.2 but it doesnt seem to be there. bugs.kde.org has closed the wishlist/feature request ticket. I'm using 3.3.1 currently. The feature's there in konqueror, kmail and kword, but for us folks that use kile (which depends on kate) as the LaTeX source editor, we would sure find it a good feature to have.
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What? Are you smoking krakk?
Install XFCE, and then try to tell me that GTK2 is slow.
Where's the list of features in this new version? Or should I just be excited that it's a higher number?
I can't wait for the kystadenosarcoma, kaesalpiniaceous and kaducibranchiate releases!
Have you metaroderated recently?
The problem would be it took you >8 hours to install a web browser, desktop environment and office suite.
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best new stuff IMHO are two apps: kpdf and akregator
kpdf was pretty crappy in kde 3.3. It's a lot better now. Faster than xpdf/acroread/gpdf/kghostview. Almost as many features as Adobe Acrobat reader. Wonderful.
akregator is a nice RSS browser that is now part of kdepim. It behaves just like kmail. I'm glad to see this part of kotnact, because thunderbird has RSS support, and I fell in love with that.
As a Gentoo user of nearly 3 years, I have no special thoughts about Debian, RedHat, Mandrake or other distro's users. I'm sure they are all fine people and enjoy their distributions just as much as I enjoy Gentoo.
I see that Gentoo zealots have moved to an entirely new level of rabid fanboyism. Recognizing that the blatant, in-your-face evangelism approach has done all it can, you're now starting down a new path, subtly working away at our resistance through calm, rational and even apparently tolerant discussion... all the better to enhance the shock effect of your next frontal assault.
But we're wise to you, oh, yes. The evil will not take our machines, sapping their cycles with endless compilation. We will hold our Debian swirls high and beat back the honeyed words just like the bombastic venom they so cleverly disguise.
Or maybe we'll just cave and buy a faster machine.
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LOL... wrong story.
8 hours?
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hmm, I seem to remember working for 16 hours straight a few times this summer.
more than enough to emerge kde openoffice mozilla-firefox mozilla-thunderbird
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emerge --fetchonly system && emerge system
That will download, then compile and install the base system.
I run Fedora and Gentoo... Am I some sort of half breed hated by all?
Yes. Boooo! Go back to Russia, hippy. We don't take kindly to your kind 'round here.
my brother kompiled KDE once.... once!.
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Qt4 is a really major change. It is most definitely non-trivial to port code to Qt4, even with the Qt3 compatiblity libraries.
As someone facing the need to port their code to Qt4 sometime in the coming year, I'm all too aware of this.
I wouldn't expect a Qt4 based KDE in any hurry. Even if they're already porting to the Qt4 beta, I expect it'll take them a fair darn while even after Qt4 stable comes out before they can put together a Qt4 desktop. Even then, I'll be surprised if some apps don't continue to use Qt3 for a while after that.
The really impressive translation magic is in Qt's i18n tools ( QObject::tr(), lupdate, lrelease, etc). It "just works" - you code your app in English, but mark strings as translatable and translators can translate your app using external files generated from the source that can be distributed separately.
It's fantastic.
Sure, there's more work involved in making external resources like HTML help translatable, but the real magic happens in Qt.
What were you compiling on? I know that I have no problem compiling KDE on my system, which is overclocked to 200MHz. (dual, but still...) Any reasonably modern system should be able to compile the parts of kde you want in just a short time.
Now if the beta cycle for KDE was expected to run for 3 hours or so, then your point would stand. However the planned release date gives you plenty of time to compile on any system you would want to run it on.
Last time I checked there isn't a 3.2GHz Palomino.
Ironically, I am pretty sure that Gentoo has a binary build with the KDE integration turned on.
The binary is of a very outdated version of the patchset. The binary is at version 1.1.53 and the source package is at 1.3.7. Furthermore, either KDE integration is turned off in the binary or the version used was so old, it didn't support KDE integration.
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Well, you only do it once (really, just leave it compiling overnight or something). After that, you just upgrade. And while you upgrade, the older versions of the desktop, word-processor and browser are at your disposal.
If you want to have all the apps available right away, may I suggest Knoppix?
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"Normal folks" can run Mandrake, Ubuntu, Fedora, Suse etc. etc., while the geeks can run Gentoo. I mean, it's not like there's no choice when it comes to Linux-distros. And for those geeks who choose to use Gentoo, the compile-times are not really a problem. They made a conscious decision to use Gentoo, and they knew it involves compiling. So apparently compiling is not a problem for them. If it is a problem for someone, he can use some other distro.
I really fail to see the problem here. Don't like source-based distro? Use a binary-based distro then!
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I don't see why you should get your panties in a bunch if someone uses Gentoo. Does it somehow "ruin the Linux-experience" for you, if you know that somewhere, someone is using Gentoo and he's *gasp* compiling?
Apprently compiling is a big no-no for you, and you chose your distro accordingly. Compiling is NOT a problem for me, so I can run Gentoo just fine. And what are you going to do about it? Hit me in the face for not seeing the true light? Does it annoy you that I'm "wasting my life"? You can take comfort from the fact that I don't feel like wasting my life. Really, compiling does not make my life one bit harder. Hell, it doesn't even make my Linux-use one bit harder! I can leave the system compiling overnight, or I can do some other stuff with the computer while it compiles (Linux has this magical feature called "multitasking"). Or, I can (heaven forbid!) step away from the computer for few hours!
I wont die if I don't have latest and greatest version of KDE up&running 5 minutes after it's been released. And I think that in the end Gentoo-users are NOT "behind the curve" when it comes to the software they run, quite the contrary! Gentoo usually release new version quite fast, so it could be that by the time binary-packages are available for some binary-distro, Gentoo-users are already using the new version, even though it takes them _few hours_ to compile it.
Really, KDE is just about as big as they come, and it's written in C++ (GCC is slow with C++). And it takes me about... 6-7 hours to compile it. Oh the humanity! How can I tolerate it??? I'm obviously missing out on something great since I have to wait for _so long_ to get KDE!
I used to run Debian before I switched to Gentoo, so I know of the goodness of apt-get. I also remember that it took Debian something like 1 year to get KDE3, they were stuck at 2.2.2 for a long time.
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Beyond that, there's apparently a very popular song of the same title on the top of the charts... in Germany.
Why is it that people can't understand that many of the 'k's in KDE apps and codenames are because many of the developers are in Germany.
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If Gentoo wasn't user-friendly, I wouldn't use it. You might not consider it to be user-friendly, but you are not me.
We are almost as fanatical as the rabid anti-Gentoo crowd that seems to gather in to places like Slashdot
Well, you are wrong. It takes just few minutes to get info about the latest versions (emerge sync) and it takes few seconds to type in the required commands to start the update-process (emerge -u world). After that, I'm free to do something else. This might come as a shock to you, but I'm in no way required to stare at the output of the compile-process while the software gets compiled. But hey, if multitasking goes beyong your skillset, that really is your problem, and not Gentoo-users problem.
Funny, I have all that on my Gentoo-machine. I must be doing something wrong! Maybe I should recompile everything, and then spend the next 15-20 hours staring at the screen as it compiles? I guess that's what all Gentoo-users do, right?
Good for you! And Gentoo does it for me. Who are you to say that my personal choice for the distro I use is somehow "wrong"?
And I like it. It's you who seems to have serious problems accepting the fact that some Linux-users actually prefer Gentoo over the alternatives.
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2) For OOo/KDE binary see http://dot.kde.org/1101482981/
Wasting your life? I don't know about you, but us human beings have this daily ritual called "sleep". There's nothing on my Gentoo box that takes so long to compile that I can't do it before I go to sleep and it'll be done the next morning or at the very worst by the time I return home from work the next evening. I'm no Gentoo fanboy, in fact I believe that it's not for everyone, but this whole "compiling from source takes too long" is a load of crap IMHO.
I think, therefore I am. I think?
Well, I have to use Gentoo because I couldn't get anything else to run on my amd64 at the time, and guess what, Linux multitasks !
That is I can actually emerge KDE and keep on doing whatever it was I was doing while the machine works in the background...
I can even, get this, run KDE while I compile and install a new version.
Frankly there is no need to do the upgrade at night, it's not like your machine is running Windows 3.1.
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BS. I've got as far as kdetoys already, on an 800mhz Duron - real speed demon there. Just leave it running overnight.
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Geeks run Slack or BSD...
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I seem to remember that Sorcerer died. When did it reanimate? I'm curious. The website doesn't give any clue.
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The feature plan for 3.4 can be found here.
At the moment I'm compiling KDE 3.3.2 on my 400MHz ultrasparc. After almost 48 hours it is now on package 51 of 54. It seems that .cpp code compiles very slowly, as the cpu load is high and the disk & swap activity are minimal: load average: 1.40, 1.34, 1.62.
But the machine is very responsive so other tasks are not influenced.
The link leads to a blog by a former developer about how the project screwed itself, and the history of Sourcemage.
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I assume you mean having KDE 3.3 and KDE 3.4 on the same machine and not conflicting.
If you are compiling yourself you should be able to do this, I'm sure the instructions for this will be in the INSTALL notes somewhere.
It ~should~ just be a case of giving configure an option of where the KDE base dirs and libraries should go when compiling and then changing a couple of environment variables ($KDEBASE and $KDELIBS??) before running KDE (you can of course do this from a startup script). Been a while since I ran two versions of KDE on the same machine though so check the notes that come with the source.
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Have an LFS installation. Have been compiling KDE for every new release since 2.2
Yeah, it takes some time. I just start the compile process before I leave for the office. My compile script shuts down the PC when it's done. By the time I'm back, it's done. Simple. No time wasted. It could take 8 minutes or 8 hours - no matter to me coz I'm not using the machine at the time - no slowdown noticed.
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Umm, yeah I know this. Where did you conclude that I thought you had to actually close out KDE to upgrade it? I do this at night so my system doesn't slow down while I'm working on it. I do this all the time, but these laptop hard drives are a little slow and so compiling makes for a slow system which I don't particularly enjoy.
And I never said there was a need to upgrade at night, I simply said how it avoids the problem of gcc using lots of resources while you're at the computer trying to use it.
The next attack will be against BSD, not binary linux.
Who said anything about Linux? I said Debian.
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i've got a fairly off-topic question about kde vs gnome. i've heard that gnome is big in the states and kde is big in europe. i may be emigrating to australia soon and i was wondering which camp they tend towards down under.
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Well, ok, I'll let you off for using a laptop.
:)
But I've seen so many users doing their upgrades when they don't use their machines on desktop systems where you don't actually notice the compilation in the background that I automatically went into my "it multitasks!" routine. Sorry about that
I know that compilations weren't really noticeable on my previous machine (800MHz Athlon w/ 256MiB RAM) and they certainly aren't on the current one. On my laptop (which is old but very compact), well, given that when I had to compile Scribus it took a good 3 hours and pretty much hosed the machine, I think I'll stick with Mandrake.
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KDE are one of those enterprises that singularly fail to understand the theory "less is more". Their interface is a distracting mess, have you any idea how hard it is to concentrate on something when the interface is THAT busy?