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M-Flash, Yet Another Flash Memory Format
Verteiron writes "Despite all the (mostly incompatible) flash memory/card formats out there already, a consortium made up of several Taiwan-based manufacturers are preparing to unveil a new one at the upcoming CeBIT. The memory itself, called M-Flash, will form the backbone of the new M-Card format. According to C-One, a member of the M-Card group and the maker of Pretec brand flash devices, the M-Flash memory architecture is cheap to manufacture and allows for devices 2/3 the size of existing MMC products. The M-Card format uses the USB 2.0 I/O specification, but C-One claims it will transfer data at twice the speed of USB 2.0 while using about a third the power required by current devices. To encourage adoption of the new card format, it has been designed to be compatible with the existing SD/MMC format at reduced speeds. C-One also plans to make the currently proprietary format an open standard. Palm Blvd. and the EE Times (free reg. required) have articles with a few more details."
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"I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey
Not ANOTHER format.. now i'll need to buy a 7-way-card reader instead of the currenet 6-way beasts of devices companies put out.
Cant we all play nice ???
You mean like this?
>Despite all the (mostly incompatible) flash memory/card formats out there already
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Yet another of in a long series of illiterate articles. Not everyone was born to be a writer, but illiterate individuals should observe utmost care when submitting articles.
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because the 5 1/4" slot on the front of my PC wants to know
media format wars are becoming a joke, historians are going to look back and laugh at us
Seems to me to be the best way to get widespread approval for a format is to open it up. As always because something in software is closed it means that there will always be somebody for some reason that can't use it.
Hopefully this new one will be the one to succeed were others have failed.
I was pretty sceptical 'till I got to that part. This seems like a well thought out product all the way around.
TW
I don't know how other people feel about this, but for me, the Secure Digital format is pretty close to being as small as I want to get. I don't want to have to use tweezers to get my memory into and out of devices.
- Smart Media Card
- XD Card
- Compact Flash I
- Compact Flash II
- Micro Drive
- Secure Digital
- MMC card
- MMC II card
- RS-MMC card
- Memory Stick card
- MS Pro
- MS MG Card
- MS MG Pro Card
- MS Duo
- MS MG Duo
- MS Pro Duo
- MS MG Pro Duo
- UTMA Fish Card
aren't standards great
just as long as it's MY standard of course
With digicams heading towards 14 megapixels, I can see the need for faster data storage (ever waited for a 60mb RAW file to save to a CF card?), and introducing something that combines backwards compatibilty with SD/MMC cards and native USB2.0 support (No more card readers, just an adaptor cable, or possibly even a set of built-in contacts like the new SD/USB cards.) seems like a suspiciously common-sense approach.
I find it interesting that C-One compares the size of this card to the MM card. It almsot seems like the death knell is sounding already. MMC died, this has no backing from popular, trusted media manufactures (Pretec....did you ever buy anything made by them? I've never even seen them around here before). I mean, who cares if it's great, if it doesn't have the backing to bring it to the mainstream market? It's going to take one big format endorsed by all media manufactures, all camera makers, and all digital device makers to create a single standard. And for one innovation needs to stop for awhile. How can we possibly agree on a standard if something better comes out in 6 months?
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I'm generally happy with the convergence of these flash devices with one another. It looks like we'll eventually have two: USB and MMC - this MFlash does both. CompactFlash sockets can be filled with CF/MMC adapters. With the exception of the Sony (proprietary) Memory Stick - though Sony has started including both CF and MS sockets in top of the line gear, like their F-818 camera. Sony should release a CF MemoryStick socket. If eventually the Flash formats settle down the way floppy media formats did in the 1980s, we'll all benefit from the defragmented markets, economies of unified scale, and interop.
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The palm boulevard article says special drivers maybe needed for existing sd card readers. I guess this won't be working in my digital camera anytime soon.
Also I think it's pronounced Micro-card.
In related news, Motorola sued several Taiwan-based manufacturers for using the prefix "M-". Steve Jobs, CEO of Apple, was heard to say, "What do we care? We use 'i', not 'M-'."
The Pretec brandname has been around for a while and their products are often found at the leading edge of memory technology rather than the mainstream. I guess there is money to be made in targetting the niche sector that *really* needs high capacities in single cards like the 12GB CompactFlash card that they make. As the linked article says, you could get the same amount of storage in three cards for a tenth of the price, but if you have no choice...
UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
Competition is good...
All the current flash memory is pretty much the some. If M-flash will be everything it promises to be it should cause a drop in costs of flash storage.
...now run Linux from it and I'll be happy.
Seriously, it does suck that so many formats exist. <pun>At least hard drive formats aren't so fragmented yet.</pun>
You can hold down the "B" button for continuous firing.
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it will transfer data at twice the speed of USB 2.0
Is that even possible ? Would any properly certified USB host-controller not be limited to USB2 speeds, unless they also force you to buy a PCI card that is M-whatever compatible ?
When will I end this grieving ? When will my future begin ?
2/3 the size of existing formats? Do we need this? We're already in danger of accidentally inhaling these things or losing them between the ridges of our fingerprints. Jeez, I must have a terabyte lodged in various spots, slowly sloughing off with the dust.
Yes, using USB is smart. If they keep up the good work and use a standard USB Mass Storage function, we get *nix compatibility for free, right from the start. (The card reader would simply look like a 1-port hub to the computer.)
... is that there's so many of them. Ack.
Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules.
I was just saying to a friend of mine that what I REALLy wanted to see in 2005 was a new flash memory card format introduced that was smaller than SD.
Do you know I can only carry two or three thousand SD cards with me at any one time? I'm glad to see someone's working on alleviating this huge problem.
That was classic intercourse!
and allows for devices 2/3 the size of existing MMC products...it has been designed to be compatible with the existing SD/MMC format at reduced speeds.
I presume we won't see the improvements in device size until they drop the MMC backwards-compatibility.
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Some interesting lessons here in standards one pays for.
You'll all remember the cell phone wars. While the rest of world used GSM, american carriers, looking for a competitive advantage and patent royalities, and certainly unwilling to pay royalties to their competitors, got going with CDMA and TDMA to name a few of the schemes. While technically superior perhaps, one ends up with a fragemented market. What's interesting to see is the recent moves to GSM even in the US.
Memory cards, the same thing. If there was a true, open standard without payments (but with optional certification) a la USB, I don't think you'd see the number of flash memory formats poping up that we have been. Instead, sony pulled another ATRAC stunt with their memory stick, and other manufacturers and devices developers played in their own camps.
Short term gain for long term pain, my computer must have 5 or six slots for flash memory!
Here's the Ahha moment for USB (after the HCI/OHCI stuff). "On the second version of USB, we looked at how we could learn from the first round, and we decided that it was better for the industry for there to be one spec that was available to everybody," said Jason Ziller, an Intel technology initiatives manager.
I'm not expecting to see m-flash in cameras or pdas anythime soon, but they may appear in DOKs (Disk On Key) very soon. For greatest compatibility, the USB interface would have to be compatible with the generic driver that windows/linux/macs use. Additionally, I'm not sure if they will have on-chip ESD and pad drivers necessary for driving cables (significant external components may still be neccessary).
If they were twice as fast as the present DOKs (12MByte/s reads? 10MByte/s writes), that would allow them to approach 2.5inch disk performance (and have smaller access time).
The University of Michigan calls student ID cards Mcard. They both store information. . . how long until a lawsuit?
Old news, I got my M-Card from the University of Michigan years ago...
The other day I was wondering why n-in-1 USB card readers that supported the xD format were so bloody expensive when compared to their non-xD brothers and sisters. It didn't take long to come to the conclusion that it must cost more to license xD than other formats, otherwise, the price disparity wouldn't make much sense to anyone.
Sure enough, after looking into it, there is a royalty that one has to pay to use the xD connector. On this site there's a blurb that reads under the "Media Cards" sub-heading:
Of these cards, only the last one has a royalty charged for the use of the connector. As our contact stated - the IP holders have finally gotten it right not to charge those seeking to be able to accept their media on products the OEM designs. In the case of the XD Picture Card, the royalties were characterized as "high."
Here's some information you can get here on the new 1GB xD card:
The ultra-compact xD-Picture Card will have a 1GB version early in 2005, according to Fuji Photo Film and Olympus, which have jointly developed the new addition.
Dubbed the M1GB, the 'M' stands for 'Multi Level Cell', a new high-density flash memory technology. MLC purportedly offers a capacity potential of up to 8GB. The mini cards measure just 20mm x 25mm x 1.7mm.
While such storage in such a small dimension would once have been considered fantastic, the need for greater capacity is being driven by the higher resolution offered by multi-mega pixel digital cameras.
The xD-Picture Card was launched in September 2002.
Ignore it and it will go away. CF is the only portable that we need. All high end camera's use it and that is all that matters.
12 bits per pixel is only 4096 colours! I think 24 or even 32 bits is more what you need in a digital camera, especially a high end 14 megapixel one.
If you were talking about a normal image, you'd be correct.
But because Bayer sensors are all whatever the MP rating is with a giant color filter array in front of them, you are really capturing a greyscale image - with each pixel being greyscae of a certain spectrum (like Red, Green, Blue, or in Sony's case also Cyan).
You would be correct if you were talking about an image from a Foveon sensor, that has RGB layers per pixel to capture full image data. So a foveon pixel is really 12x3 or 36 bytes (which it what you were expecting).
Thus the controversy between current Foveon camers being 3.$MP. or 10MP (since they have as many photosensors as other 10MP bayer cameras would have).
But it does go to show how much an illusion the MP rating is when you are really subdivinging and then interpolating to get the final result. It's nothing like how you think of images in Photoshop.
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And you thought the DVD+/-R debacle was silly..
http://www.usbgeek.com/prod_detail.php?prod_id=020 6
No, I did not read the f***ing article!
Here's the press release about the read and write speeds...
Jan 2005 demo at CES: 25MByte/s read
End of year expectations: 40MByte/s read 20MByte/s write (products having upto 8GBytes of storage).
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050107/66061_1.html
Mine has more!
http://www.photoscala.com/node/view/619
CF (type I & II), Microdrive, SD, SM, MM, Memory Stick, Memory Stick MagicGate, Memory Stick Select, Memory Stick Duo, Memory Stick Duo MagicGate, Memory Stick Pro, Memory Stick Pro MagicGate, Memory Stick Pro Duo, Memory Stick Pro Duo MagicGate, xD, MagicStore, MMC 4.0, RS-MMC, RS-MMC 4.0, Mini-SD.
asshole.
you didnt even make it to the bottom of the fucking description before you hit the reply button... come on.
Had a dog chew on a CF card. Found it dirty on the floor with obvious teeth marks in the corner. And it still worked. At least it was only a 16MB freebie.
Id like to see any of those exposed terminal plate cards taking even remotely the same beating.
CF is a parrallell interface that's effectively a miniaturized ISA slot. While the CF cards themselves aren't very big
Memory transfer rates on CF cards are limited. So as media sizes increase, the devices themselves will become an impedement to video and floppy replacement applications.
I expect that we'll eventually see a CF replacement (still capable of housing a micro-drive) based on PCI Express.
Sony seems to be doing just fine with it's card. It's a proprietary format. But so is SD/MMC, and Memcard and xD.
Until PCIExpress/Express Card permeates the laptop market, we probably won't see a proper open standard successor to Compact Flash.
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For professional cameras, you may see the smaller Expresscard interface. Those big hulks are big enough to support the "stick".
Either this, or you will see a local wireless network where storage is worn in a bag or on a belt, the camera has enough fast memory to cache the images while they're being transferred.
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The ONLY memory format that is open is Compact Flash. Sony is JUST LIKE everybody else.
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CompactFlash is a miniaturized ISA slot.
There are TWO types of CF. Type 1 and Type 2. Type 2 is slightly thicker to accomodate a Micordrive.
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