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Internet Broadcasting Makes A Comeback

Mark Leaman writes "About six years ago I founded an internet broadcasting company called GT2K (Gametalk 2000) which featured Real Audio based radio shows on gaming in all its incarnations (table top, strategy, computer...). During the dot.com "plague years" we saw hordes of internet broadcasting companies belly up. But now internet broadcasting is making a comeback thanks to Podcasting. Although Podcasting isn't new news Yahoo has some nice coverage on the re-emergence of the medium."

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  1. NPR's coverage of Podcasting by bigtallmofo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    NPR had a recent story on podcasting. They interviewed a guy that would record his commute to work every day and then put it on a web site so that people could then listen to his musings on their IPods. Scintillating.

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    1. Re:NPR's coverage of Podcasting by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 5, Insightful

      umm... you can listen to them on any MP3 player...just get a podcast client....

      BTW... it shows just how entrenched the iPod is when a distribution method based on RSS 2 and MP3 is called PODcasting.

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    2. Re:NPR's coverage of Podcasting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Good God, are peoples lives so empty and devoid of meaning these days that they'll attempt to fill it with someone elses empty and devoid rambling on their own empty and devoid lives?

      Web Logging and Podcasting are the ultimate in ego masturbation. People can now fill their pointless lives with other people pointless lives. I'm not sure if this is the Internet analogue of the rise in reality TV or if some deeper societal shift has led to both Web Logging and reality TV equaly.

    3. Re:NPR's coverage of Podcasting by samael · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes! You're right! Talking about your feelings, beliefs and life is _pointless_. People should just shut up and get on with their lives. We only have friends for their entertainment value, and they should learn not to actually communicate about anything about themselves.

    4. Re:NPR's coverage of Podcasting by kyojin+the+clown · · Score: 5, Funny

      my friends and i have a system where we all meet up and read our blogs aloud to each other, then comment on them. we call it 'a conversation'

    5. Re:NPR's coverage of Podcasting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Good God, are peoples lives so empty and devoid of meaning these days that they'll attempt to fill it with someone elses empty and devoid rambling on their own empty and devoid lives?"

      I dunno, do people spend hours of every day listening to Rush Limbaugh, Howard Stern, and a slough of other empty gasbags on talk radio?

      The only difference I see here is one of scale.

    6. Re:NPR's coverage of Podcasting by ShamanDave · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There is some useful information available via podcast too. For example, Air America Radio makes The Al Franken Show and The Majority Report available via podcast in case you can't catch them at their regular broadcast times. Unfortunately, they overcompress the shows a bit.

    7. Re:NPR's coverage of Podcasting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I have heard news of a wonderful invention by a clever Scottish chap names Bell, who I am told has developed a device he calls a "tele-phone". As I am led to believe, this wonderous tele-phone device can transmit a mans voice over a wire to a person in another room! Bell has said that one day we may have a tele-phone network which reaches to every corner of the empire. Balderdash, of course, but there doesn't seem to be any stopping the chap.

  2. Not "Broadcasting" by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's "Narrowcasting," actually. Fine, Comm-school distinction, perhaps, but worth noting in this case. You don't want this to be broadcasting, as that would assume a lot of very low and common denominators and all that attendant government scrutiny.

  3. wolfFM.com by SamSeaborn · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Internet broadcasting was on a down-trend?

    Wierd, I listen to wolfFM.com and local talk radio over the internet everyday. Have done so for years.

    Sam

    1. Re:wolfFM.com by PornMaster · · Score: 4, Informative

      There was a time when traditional radio stations had some kind of licensing issue with a union that covered on-air personalities - with respect to payment for ads they read and whether or not they were fairly compensated for that.

      I know it took WABC radio offline for several months, and various other stations as well. Some took to playing "dead air" on the stream while live-read commercials were playing.

      There have been non-traditional broadcasters all along, including Digitally Imported, Wolf FM, Radio Paradise, etc, which have been rather continuous for years, but the flurry of "ooh, I can run Shoutcast" broadcasters which popped up running 24kbps streams seems to have hit a low maybe 18 months ago and is again on the rise. This might be coincident with rises in upstream and the relative cheapness of dedicated servers with truckloads of bandwidth included.

  4. hardly broadcasting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Podcasting is hardly broadcasting. Recording to MP3 and making it downloadable isn't in my definition of a 'broadcast' - what next? saving images to your iPod Photo will be labeled Photocasting? please. Satellite radio is the future of digital audio, not the mindless musings of people with too much time.

  5. Re:Not "Broadcasting" (on-demand) by turnstyle · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Warning! Plug coming up...

    Personally, I'm more into "on-demand" playback rather than "broadcast" -- that's why I built Andromeda -- it turns your folders and files of MP3s (OGGs too) into a complete browsable/streaming site (needs PHP or ASP)...

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  6. WFMU Podcasts by parsnip11 · · Score: 4, Informative
    More and more broadcast radio stations are doing this but unfortunately few have provided music because of copyright fears. WFMU(91.1 FM) is a notable exception...

    http://podcast.wfmu.org/

    They offer two shows of old 78s which are public domain as well as two other amazing shows (Advanced D & D with Donna Summer.... breakcore / random bedroom electronics and Downtown Soulville which is pure funk 45s from the 60s / early 70s and is extremely addictive. Especially of interest if you like stuff like Peanut Butter Wolf's Funky 16 corners comp from a few years back).

    As for npr podcasting you can get on media as a podcast at http://onthemedia.org

  7. P2P Streaming by popo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm not sure PodCasting is creditworthy when it comes to bringing back web broadcasting.

    If any technology or trend is responsible for the rebirth of web broadcasting, it is undoubtedly P2P Streaming (like PeerCast.org).

    I can't figure out why p2p streaming isn't getting more hype than it is. I downloaded my first P2P streaming client about a month ago, and was pretty amazed at both the quality and the possibilities.

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    1. Re:P2P Streaming by tunabomber · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe because:

      1. There aren't that many P2P streaming stations.

      and

      2. Streaming is overrated.

      Seriously, the main reason streaming exists is so that the content provider can force you to watch/hear commercials and make it harder to watch/listen to the same 'cast twice.

      I think if we could timeshift every piece of media we watch at will, timeshifting will be the rule rather than the exception. After all, why the hell should we adjust our life to the schedule of a broadcaster?

      PodCasting/streamripping/TiVoing are just hacks that allow timeshifting despite the fact that most of our media is streamed. Combine all this with Bittorrent and it'll be a lethal combination for the content industry as we know it.

      In the future, I can imagine having a MythTV-based PVR that I can tell which shows I want to watch. It would then search the net for .torrent files for these shows, and if it can't find them, it'll record the show into an .avi and publish a torrent for everyone else's enjoyment.

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    2. Re:P2P Streaming by popo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd have to respectfully disagree on two fronts.

      First off, you're taking streaming to mean sequential songs or shows, whereas streaming simply means "you watch as you download" (typically with a slight buffer).

      P2P streaming essentially offers video-on-demand (or audio on demand) while skirting bandwidth related expenses.

      Secondly -- with regards to timeshifting being better than a broadcast (not that timeshifting doesn't rule) I'd have to say that I'd rather listen to a commercial free audio broadcast than timeshift my music. First off, timeshifting audio is a pain in the ass, and secondly -- a good commercial free music station (and I emphasize the word 'good') is how I learn about new music. I'd rather have the variety.

      P2P streaming essentially restores the promise of what internet broadcasting originally set out to be. Granted, it has succeeded by skirting the law, but more importantly it has skirted the costs involved as well.

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  8. Lost revenue by mushupork · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does anyone have time for commercials anymore? I don't. Tivo TV, burn radio streams to my iPod, and skip thru the commercials. Number of commercials I have to listen to nowadays: zero. Good friggin riddance.

    Perhaps this is part of the declining TV viewership companies have begun to bemoan, blaming yet again the revenue-robbing Internet.

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  9. Question. by bogaboga · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It seems to me that podcastion is the same as recording some sounds, providing a link to a website where the recordings can be downloaded by whoever is interested. Am I correct?

    If that is the case, then I'd say that many stations have been doing this for a long time. Nothing new...save for the iPOD.

    1. Re:Question. by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 2

      yes, but in this case it is an RSS 2 feed and software can download it and make it available for syncing with your favorite portable music player with out you actually doing anything other than subscribing to a feed.

      makes it very convenient.

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  10. Re:Interesting.. by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 2

    rue, but rush can always distribute it just to his ditto heads who pa for access to his site content.

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  11. Live365.com is legal netcasting by wolverine1999 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Live365 has made a difference because it's legal to broadcast music, so no problems on that end. They handle the licensing for your netcast. I have two stations using live365.

  12. online radio made me stop downloading mp3s by novakane007 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I listen to Digitally Imported Radio (DI) every day. In fact, since I have something always available I rarely download music anymore. It's simply more convienent to just tune in than it is to go searching for what I'm interested in.

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  13. Also in the Chicago Tribune today by hwestiii · · Score: 2, Informative

    Todays Trib has a pretty good story on Podcasting that quotes many of the regulars (Adam Curry, etc.).

    The story is here and may require registration.

  14. Re:Interesting.. by Augie+De+Blieck+Jr. · · Score: 4, Informative

    He already does maintain show archives that are available to subscribers. With the right amount of hacking, one could automate the process of downloading the content daily, converting it from Real or Windows Media and into MP3 to pop onto their iPod, I suppose.

    But that's the smart part about Podcasting that most people in this comments thread is missing -- it's more than just recording an MP3 and posting it on a website. The Podcasting program is a huge part of this -- a central program used to automate downloads and transfer of the files from the web to your local machine or iPod or iRiver or what have you.

    It takes all the work out of checking a dozen web sites looking for things. It's an RSS Aggregator with attachments. I'm somewhat afraid that point is getting lost in this whole conversation.

  15. I hate to complain... but by alex_guy_CA · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This article is more an advertisement for someone's commercial venture than anything else. If he wanted to just post this rehash article about pod-casting he could have with out plugging his own web site. I'm surprised this made it thru the /. Standards.

  16. Clarification on what Podcasting is by slim · · Score: 4, Informative

    There seem to be a lot of misinformed, or partially informed views of what Podcasting is or is not. Allow me to try and clear it up:

    From a "broadcaster's" perspective: you record a show to MP3, you make that available via some URL-accessible protocol (typically http or bittorrent), then you add an item to an RSS feed which includes that URL as an enclosure.

    From a consumer's perspective: you run an application (e.g. iPodder). You give the application a set of RSS feeds. The application polls these feeds, and when it finds a new item that points to an enclosure, it downloads the media. What happens then is application-dependent, but what iPodder does is use the iTunes API to import the new media into the iTunes library.

    Podcasting receiver applications like iPodder are meant to be "set up and forget". Once it's going, then assuming you dock your MP3 player every day or so, you are automagically going to find new content on your player whenever it becomes available. (I'm hoping that future versions will also automatically delete stale media).

    For the consumer, this is better than streaming because:
    - you can listen to it when you're disconnected from a network - e.g. on the bus, in the car
    - skipping, rewinding etc. is easy
    - being on a slow network (e.g. dialup) is not a problem
    - timeshifting is inherent. The user experience is very like having a radio TiVo, except there is no option to listen to live programming.

    Sure, it doesn't lend itself to live phone-ins, up-to-the-minute news bulletins, etc. -- but that's not what it's for.

    For the producer, the costs scale very nicely, and if you go for bittorrent, you could distribute a very popular show very cheaply indeed.

    So that's what it is. Here's what it is not:

    Podcasting is not just for iPods. It's a shame the name implies it. This is because it was invented by Mac-heads. Fortunately they're standards-centric Mac-heads.

    Podcasting is not just for no-budget audio equivalents of the personal blog or personal homepage. The BBC's trial of podcasting the excellent In Our Time series was by all accounts a great success.

    The absence of DRM means it may be difficult for some material to get cleared for podcasting, which may dissuade professional broadcasters from podcasting in some cases.

    The cheapness of podcasting means there's an awful lot of shovelware out there: like the middling days of mp3.com, when there was probably good, free music on there, but who was going to wade through the chaff and sort out the wheat?

  17. Shasradio, radio that listens to you. by sukotto · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I want my Shasradio back. Shas, where are you?

    Shasradio was one of the original listener-driven internet radio stations. (No link since the domain no longer exists). Listeners rated songs either as they played or by browsing through the playlist database. For each block of 5 songs, the station chose 3 or 4 of the highest rated songs (based on the user ratings of whomever was *currently* listening), a request (if any), and 1 or 2 "no votes yet" songs (to keep it fresh).

    I loved that station and felt really bad when it went under (lack of funding).

    Shas, if you're out there, any chance of reviving it?

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  18. If I may plug my own site by Kizzle · · Score: 3, Informative

    I run HackerMedia.net which is a one stop shop for 30+ underground shows. There is a single RSS feed that can be used with podcasting clients that covers all these shows. It's amazing the content out there that only a handful of people know about.