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Sim Epidemic

Dotnaught writes "Scientific American has an intriguing story about EpiSims, an outbreak simulator. Designed by Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL), it deals with a social networking of a different sort: 'To understand what a social network really is and how it can be used for epidemiology, imagine the daily activities and contacts of a single hypothetical adult, Ann. She has short brushes with family members during breakfast and then with other commuters or carpoolers on her way to work. Depending on her job, she might meet dozens of people at work, with each encounter having a different duration, proximity and purpose.'"

130 comments

  1. CERN did this a couple of months ago by moofdaddy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I read an article in Popular Science a few months ago while waiting in the dentist office about a similar program developed by CERN. The main difference was that it was text based instead graphical. The coolest thing I saw about it was that they used it to re-enact the spread of the bubonic plaguge which killed so many people years ago. I think they were developing it for WHO and the associated organizations.

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    1. Re:CERN did this a couple of months ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think they were developing it for WHO and the associated organizations.

      "Well then who's developing it?"

      "Yes."

      "I mean the group's name."

      "WHO."

      "The group developing it."

      "WHO."

      "The software program."

      "WHO."

      "The simulation..."

      "WHO is developing the simulation!"

      "I'm asking YOU who's developing the simulation."

      "That's the group's name."

      / etc

    2. Re:CERN did this a couple of months ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So how did your appointment go??

    3. Re:CERN did this a couple of months ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -1 contrived

    4. Re:CERN did this a couple of months ago by Redshift · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      .. and do you have any sort of reference to back up this vague memory? Unbelievable that this got modded up to +4.

    5. Re:CERN did this a couple of months ago by Lars+T. · · Score: 1
      I read an article in Popular Science a few months ago while waiting in the dentist office

      Well, things have progressed from the 80s. Or was his literature more up-to-date?

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    6. Re:CERN did this a couple of months ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jon Stewart & Steven Colbert had this exchange a few years back, when SARS was around. Funny stuff.

    7. Re:CERN did this a couple of months ago by RichardX · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Oh, forget it! Anyways.. uh.. who was that band you went to see last night"

      "No, Yes"

      "Who?"

      "No, though I did see them live once"

      "Um.. who?"

      "Yeah, they were pretty good"

      "So who was it you saw last night?"

      "Yes"

      "Who, damnnit?"

      "No, Yes. Then I came home and watched THEM! and a couple of episodes of Dr Who before I read that article about the software by the WHO"

      "Um.. I think something's broken in your head. I'm going over here now."

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  2. Finally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Some more amusing ways to torture my Sims.

    1. Re:Finally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Talking about amusing torture games, nothing beats torturing your avatar in Black and White.

      Run into a village and devour villagers: tummy rub.
      Help a drowning villager: ruthless bitchslap session.

  3. Phew by civman2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    For a minute there, I thought this article was going to be about how millions of teenage girls are displaying frightening symptoms: siting inside all day instead of socializing, playing computer games all day, turning away from reality. I guess the Sims has the power to turn girls into guys. But that's not what this is about...

    1. Re:Phew by Biff+Stu · · Score: 4, Funny

      In the event of an epidemic, this would be a good thing. Does this mean that if epidemics select for antisocial nerds, /.'ers will rule the earth?

    2. Re:Phew by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The internet; Where men are men, women are men, and 13 year old girls are FBI agents.

    3. Re:Phew by waveclaw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For a minute there, I thought this article was going to be about how millions of teenage girls are displaying frightening symptoms: siting inside all day instead of socializing, playing computer games all day, turning away from reality. I guess the Sims has the power to turn girls into guys. But that's not what this is about...

      Since this is presented as a tool on which to base political policy, I am quite alarmed.

      While you are making a joke, this actually brings into question several of the assumptions underlying this model. The social networks employed by this model are very simple compared with real life. Even though they are rigged to have similar power-law statistics, the model used may not be able to reach useful results. Critical details in the social networking of super carriers and patient zero are handled poorly, IMHO and that's only based on the article, basic college stats and high school level intro to sociology.

      For instance, for any STD model will have to take into account the many over layed and distinct networks of sexual interactions. Sexually active high school students such as in your teenage girl joke have a very different social network pattern from adults. Another pattern is common among college students. Trying to use the model from the article would lead to incorrect results for their population and would deviate significantly from reality.

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    4. Re:Phew by owlstead · · Score: 1

      Or we *are* the epidemic, and everyone is already infected. /.'ers are ruling the earth. I for one...no lets not go there.

    5. Re:Phew by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      In the event of an epidemic, this would be a good thing. Does this mean that if epidemics select for antisocial nerds, /.'ers will rule the earth?


      The reek shall inherit the earth...
  4. Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Something that understands why I am always blamed for spreading the Flu!

  5. Problems with models by CtrlPhreak · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A friend of mine works with the WHO which has solicited many different people to do work like this for them. In light of all the terrorism talk and threats of bio-terrorism, we've had talks on this. Different universities etc. The problem with it is that no model is able to conform to historical records of various outbreaks well enough across the board to develop policy on. One model is highly based on an aids breakout of the 1980s or an asian flu epidemic, and the model fits well to it. But when the model is applied to different epidemics they don't work out. There are just so many factors differing by area, culture etc. Think close knit community vs big city. Also the way things are transmitted. You would have to have a different model for each scenario which is very difficult/costly. Until we can predict everything going into a situation these models aren't very useful.

    Models working with more people is definitely a step forward, but just an improvement.

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    1. Re: Problems with models by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 5, Interesting
      You would have to have a different model for each scenario which is very difficult/costly. Until we can predict everything going into a situation these models aren't very useful.

      I'd argue against the 'not very useful'. These models may not provide accurate predictions for real outbreaks, but may improve the insights into the variables involved, and how things interact.

      In the case of a real outbreak, authorities may take measures like release public warnings, quarantine certain areas/building, ask people to avoid certain activities for a while, etc.

      Will that slow down the outbreak? Will it confine casualties to a certain area? Can a measure help to lower mortality rates?

      With a real outbreak, that sort of data is crucial. If you know how to slow down the spread of a disease, you buy time for healthcare workers. Time to track down infected people, time to treat people before incubation period expires, etc. Keeping the number of casualties down, may avoid a mass panic. So having some knowledge about the variables involved can make a big difference, and save countless lives.

      So these models may be pretty helpless for predicting exact numbers, but still useful anyway.

    2. Re:Problems with models by thogard · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There are deeper problems as well. I played with this years ago when I had a large collection of data for a different project. One thing I did was played around with the time factor. It turns out that several genetic things look viral with a different time factor including allergy related illnesses like asthma. The head researcher thought it was interesting but had other projects and it would go too far against the modern teachings so the research died a natural death.

    3. Re: Problems with models by Daengbo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But, the point is that, since we don't sufficiently understand which variables have what effect to create a general model, we can't really tell which strategies were extremely effective in historical outbreaks. We can't make policy based on this.

    4. Re:Problems with models by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a growth law for simultions somewhere that to obtain total accuracy, nothing less then a "simulation" of the same complexity of the real world would do, and for all intents and purposes, that is not practical.

      What can be done is to make a simulation close enough to get the trends down, and the overall forms and patterns, which apparently according to this data, makes a significant difference in the effects of fighting disease. Maybe it isn't prefect, but anything that helps, I'll take.

    5. Re:Problems with models by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I also think that, (last time I checked, anyways) the government agencies base their models for the evolution of infectious disease on Burnette and White's model which is based primarily on airborne diseases, but applied, often badly, to waterborne diseases.

      Sexualy transmitted epidemics like 'the AIDS epidemic' make for difficult modles because people's sexual behavior has changed dramatically from 1950 - the present. Like you said, so many factors there.

      If they did this, it would be nice if it were possible to alter the virulence, incubation time, genetic diversity and mutation rate of a particular pathogen.

      Likewise, it'd be nice if you could model virulence. If you infected people with a highly virulent airborne virus in California, by the time it got to New York it would be slightly less virulent because airborne viruses tend to evolve towards fairly benign coexistance over the long run (If your host is sick at home in bed, he isn't in the office passing the disease on to his coworkers.)

      If you have any information on the planning of these games, I'd love to see it.

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    6. Re: Problems with models by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I completely agree. I work in mathematical biology and know a number of people who work on these models , here at the UofA and LANL. The "until we can predict everything" garbage is the typical argument of people who don't understand modeling. Biology is frequently complicated, but not ALWAYS complicated. What if people said "Oh, light, you can't model that, it's too complicated, that Hilbert space garbage will never get you anywhere?" There is only one way to figure this out and that is to try to build models. Models of epidemics can actually tell you quite interesting things. There are not necessarily so many variables that you can't get anywhere. Take ecology. Understanding/modeling the rainforest is really hard. But not everywhere is that complicated. How about the Antarctic or the tundra? The Namibian desert? Too complicated to ever understand?

      Some diseases are understood alright, like tuberculosis. Others are harder. Models suggest things to look for. Don't think the issues you thought of in two minutes are lost on the investigators who have studied these things their entire lives. The natural progression of earlier models of disease is to incorporate network topology through network theory and agent based models. There are already interesting results such as vaccination on a scale free network is useless if you miss the nodes with highest degree.

      http://arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0205260
      http://www.csss.washington.edu/Papers/wp23.pdf

      It is true that in some situations there is no particular course of action that will do much. Just like there is little defense from an atomic bomb. But don't you want to make sure?

  6. Not-TSO related? Aww. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Before I RTFA'd, I thought that people like Evangeline might have some problems coming up.

  7. dl it? by biryokumaru · · Score: 1

    theres no torrent link?

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    1. Re:dl it? by hazah · · Score: 1

      I wonder how to communicate the short burst of laugher I experienced once I read your sig. "bahahaha" seems to convay sarcasm, but I assure you, there is none.

  8. Good for AIDS in Africa research. by Martin+Marvinski · · Score: 0, Troll

    This type of thing may be good in the AIDs in Africa research that is going on. Being uncircumcised is big factor in the transmition of AIDs in Africa, and this technology may be used to predict where the next AIDs outbreak may occur.

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=uncircumcis ed +aids+africa&btnG=Google+Search

    1. Re:Good for AIDS in Africa research. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and this technology may be used to predict where the next AIDs outbreak may occur.

      And then again, it may not. Do you have ANY idea what you are talking about?

    2. Re:Good for AIDS in Africa research. by Martin+Marvinski · · Score: 1

      Why are you an uncircumcised disease vector? Did you know that uncircumcised partners of women are more likely to develop cervical cancer?

      http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=uncircumcis ed +cervical+cancer&btnG=Google+Search

    3. Re:Good for AIDS in Africa research. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is this a troll? The the google link shows a majority of research that indicates a great link between circumcision status and AIDs.

    4. Re:Good for AIDS in Africa research. by Peter777 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ah, the humble foreskin. It protects the glans from abrasion in your pants, holds the smegma in for its anti-pathogenic goodness, is full of nerve endings for... stuff, and probably even helps keep those little amazonian fish from swimming up you. How's it going over there with the quest to surgically banish masturbation? I hear anal sex is becoming really popular in America, on account that circumcised males often can't get enough stimulation from vaginal sex. Not that I've actually looked into it of course. Just one of these things you hear passed about that make sense on the surface.

    5. Re:Good for AIDS in Africa research. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They didn't take into account the number of males with herpes in that study. If you get 100 % disease free circumsized men and 0% disease free uncircumsized, of course the rate would be higher.

      There will be a vaccine against cervical cancer in a few years anyway.

  9. Hmmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've always wanted an "Ebola" Mod for my Sims 2

  10. Re:Whitehouse approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see that your link has been blocked by the CIA (presumably). Devious, and faster than I would have expected.

  11. Two words by bakayoko · · Score: 2, Funny

    Chaos theory.

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  12. Her Name is Ann by TimeTraveler1884 · · Score: 5, Funny
    ...imagine the daily activities and contacts of a single hypothetical adult, Ann.
    She sounds hot....



    1. Re:Her Name is Ann by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1
      Actually, her name is Alice.

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    2. Re:Her Name is Ann by Ziviyr · · Score: 1

      Surely you meant Arisu.

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    3. Re:Her Name is Ann by man_ls · · Score: 2, Funny

      Bob's girl is cheating on him?

      Wait till this gets out...

  13. Like the films by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It'll be like those films with outbreaks where you see the spread of red across the world.... maybe...

  14. How about giving those scientists by 88NoSoup4U88 · · Score: 1

    A copy of The Sims 2 ?

  15. MOD DOWN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Child mutilation is not funny.

  16. Re: Dear Linux user by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  17. But, this is SLASHDOT... by mcrbids · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To understand what a social network really is and how it can be used for epidemiology, imagine the daily activities and contacts of a single hypothetical adult, Ann....

    Of course, this is slashdot. If Ann was a slashdotter, her epidemiology would consist only of contact between Ann and her parents, at the dinner table, during the approximately 45 minutes per day that Ann leaves the cellar.

    Perhaps it should read something like:

    To understand what a social network really is and how it can be used for epidemiology, one must not be a slashdotter. Imagine the daily activities and contacts of a single hypothetical adult, Ann....

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    1. Re:But, this is SLASHDOT... by BUTT-H34D · · Score: 1
      Depending on her job, she might meet dozens of people at work, with each encounter having a different duration, proximity and purpose.
      Huh huh. Heh heh. She's a slut.
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  18. I wonder how long it will be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...until we see pestilence-riddled EpiSims characters featured on Mtv2 video mods?

  19. Numb3rs! by krray · · Score: 1

    Just keep watching Numb3rs then! I'm sure one of these weeks CBS will have the equation all figured out to solve ALL these types of problems. Everything is #'s!

  20. Zombies by LMariachi · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sounds a little like the Zombie Infection Simulator.

    1. Re:Zombies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
  21. Alternate Uses by Stanistani · · Score: 4, Funny

    A tool like this could be adapted for some other fascinating uses:

    Marketing (particularly the viral type)
    Political meme simulation
    Catching terrorists and other criminals through investigating their social linkage
    Pharmacological demand forecasting

    All technology has alternate uses - some good, some not...

    1. Re:Alternate Uses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      re: Score 4 Funny,

      He's not joking, and give him 4 or 5 for Insightful.

    2. Re:Alternate Uses by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      "All technology has alternate uses - some good, some not"

      like using this simulator to figure out what sort of person would be an ideal target to infect if you wanted to start a bioterrorism campaign...

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    3. Re:Alternate Uses by donothingsuccessfull · · Score: 1

      > Political meme simulation
      Hasn't this been done?
      http://www.extremedemocracy.com/chapters/Chapter%2 0Nine-Krebs.pdf

    4. Re:Alternate Uses by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      "USA is going to 'lower the population' a little"

      Well they got their practice in very early with smallpox and the Native Americans... so I wouldn't put it past them.

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  22. So when? by Mr.+Sketch · · Score: 1

    So when will the SimEpidemic game be available from EA?

    1. Re:So when? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how many Sims do you need to make woo-hoo with in a hot tub before it comes into play?

    2. Re:So when? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a disaster scenario in SimCity 4. For best results, demolish all of your hospitals.

  23. Mod by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can one make a mod for Sims out of that? pleeease?

  24. Hey! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I'll have you know I'm a respectable slashdotter and my house has no basement. Now, it is the case that I spend a great deal of time in my room...

    But still! At least be a little more inclusive. I feel excluded :(

    *whimpers in a corner*

  25. A Similarly Cool... by iced_tea · · Score: 0

    Zombie Simulator!
    I was playing around with this zombie simulator about a week ago.

    http://kevan.org/proce55ing/zombies/

    Very similar idea. Watch how an infection spreads throughout a population. Be sure to check out the variations on the bottom of the page. There is one that lets you fight back with nukes, too.

    I say why spend valuable research dollars studying real infections when we can have a ZOMBIE simulator for free? =)

    1. Re:A Similarly Cool... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree.
      Here's another cool zombie sim

      http://members.csinet.net/bernice/zomb3.html

    2. Re:A Similarly Cool... by Moderatbastard · · Score: 0

      And here's a HTML tutorial about how to do links.

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  26. Guaranteed to be modded down but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Am I the only one that thinks we need a good pandemic to wipe out a lot of the population?

    Am I the only one that thinks it's ridiculous for society to plunder untold millions..billions..trillions on keeping people who should be dead alive?

    Am I the only one that believes that when I get to the point where I need 500 different medications to continue living my worthless life that I should probably be dead?

    Am I the only one that believes that survival of the fittest is a good thing?

    Am I the only one that believes that nature will find a way to fight back at some point no matter what when things are out of balance as they are now?

    1. Re:Guaranteed to be modded down but... by Linker3000 · · Score: 1

      Are you so passionate about this that you have to post anon?

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    2. Re:Guaranteed to be modded down but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually, I just don't own a slashdot account.
      but if you want an email or some shit here ya go mengusfungus@Virginia.EDU

      oooo... that makes me so much more passionate

    3. Re:Guaranteed to be modded down but... by hazah · · Score: 1
      I guess the answers to your questions are within your questions: Am I the only one that believes that nature will find a way to fight back at some point no matter what when things are out of balance as they are now?

      This will definately prevent trillions.

      But... I don't necesarily that I need a good pandemic right very this second. I don't really hold on to life desprately, but I'm not all for death either. So here we are.

    4. Re:Guaranteed to be modded down but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Posting AC as I've already modded you troll [takes another toot from the crack-pipe]
      >Am I the only one that believes that survival of the fittest is a good thing?
      Fitest in this context != best physical shape.
      fitest = most apt.
      If you can get your hands on enough meds to see your wretched intellect/physical form through to parenthood you're fit.

  27. Now THAT's... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what I call a SIMplex! Badum bum!

  28. Can I use this to...? by sdo1 · · Score: 1

    Can I use this to figure out how best to spread my next cold to friends, family, and co-workers so I don't have to suffer alone?

    -S

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  29. The Sims Epidemic by Danimoth · · Score: 1

    I was really hoping this article was going to be about some diseas which was wiping "The Sims" off the face off the planet... just my luck.

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  30. I read the headline... by Eccles · · Score: 1

    I read the headline as "Sin Epidemic." I was hoping I would catch it...

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    1. Re:I read the headline... by fbjon · · Score: 1

      Slashdotters are immune to the forbidden apple, you know...

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  31. more importantly.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We need to focus more on how to control a zombie outbreak.

  32. So does she get naked or what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's all *I* really want to know.

  33. Word order designed for dupe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    This is going to be reposted as Epidemic Sim- watch for it!

  34. End-user version by ZeeExSixAre · · Score: 1

    Is there a version out there for us hand-of-God-wannabes to simulate outbreaks of dysentery in a highly-populated area? *splat*

    1. Re:End-user version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TRANSIMS and the related projects (ie EpiSims) are all GPL

  35. Re:Internet tools for social net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google is spamming slashdot now!! Google has turned into the bad guys!!

    quick! start posting "google sux0r5" posts!
    /retards

  36. Just wait... by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... till they come out with the "gay bathhouse" mod pack.

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  37. Most efficient vectoring scheme? by Swampfeet · · Score: 1, Interesting



    If I were a terrorist and wanted to start off a really good plague with something new, nasty, and specially engineered, I always thought handing out a few infected 20 dollar bills at various interstate highway Burger Kings or MacDonalds would be very effective.

    Every car that comes after you becomes a new vector! And heading all over the place!

    1. Re:Most efficient vectoring scheme? by Swampfeet · · Score: 1, Funny

      Or better yet, make a $40 order and pay for it in 40 infected 1 dollar bills!

    2. Re:Most efficient vectoring scheme? by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      If you're going to engineer it give it a nice long gestation period... something like 3 months during which time it spreads to a significant percentage of the population.

      Rather than handing out 20 dollar bills which may be suspicious, just get a job at a McDonalds Drive Thru. Bonus points if it's near an airport.

    3. Re:Most efficient vectoring scheme? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would actually look for two pathogens that were benign by themselves but caused something like hemorrhagic fever when exposed to each other.

      It would drive researchers nuts because it didn't follow a typical germ theory model, and you would have sporadic outbreaks long after you "solved" the first occurrence.

      Or prion diseases. Sure, they aren't really contagious, but they are nearly impossible to detect and very difficult to destroy. You'd have to fire bomb whole areas to disinfect them.

      I'm not evil; I'm just drawn that way.

      Bio-terrorism is one badass genie to let out of the bottle. It makes the war on terror moot because, for all you know, the terrorist have already won and are just biding their time.

    4. Re:Most efficient vectoring scheme? by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I thought that was a good episode of the X-Files, too. Where they had to catch the underground militia trying to spray the bacteria on the money in the bank which they'd tested on the kids in the movie theater, and so on...

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  38. Shouldn't this be modded down? by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 3, Funny

    After all, it is basically a "WHO's on first" post.

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    1. Re:Shouldn't this be modded down? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      which is why it was posted by that known blatent Karma Whore Anonymous Coward. Mods don't waste thier mod points modding down AC's known karma whoring, I mean what's the point of modding down the highest karma user on slashdot?

    2. Re:Shouldn't this be modded down? by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 1

      You know my post was a joke, right?

      Just making sure.

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    3. Re:Shouldn't this be modded down? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but it sucked. That's why he was capping on you.

      Are you stupid? Do you need to "run forest run!"

  39. where can the shmo's get it? by Irashtar · · Score: 2, Funny

    Noone else seems to have asked the most important question of all. Where can we download it?

  40. Furthermore by einhverfr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You have a few issues that you have to consider in any given model:

    1) Vectors (i.e. sexually transmitted/blood-based infections like AIDS will behave differently than airborn-short-distance illnesses like SARS). This

    2) Contagious exposure time: Ebola will be far less dangerous than HIV because it is much more quickly progressing.

    These parameters will change the outcomes of the simulation.

    A simulated epidemic, not an epidemic of simulations ;-)

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  41. Direct links by cgenman · · Score: 1

    http://www.ccs.lanl.gov/ccs5/apps/epid.shtml
    http ://episims.lanl.gov/

  42. Moderators: GET A CLUE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The parent post was very funny, and should be moderated thusly, but it's definetely not insightful.

    If your a moderator, please give yourself a slap upside the head. Thanks.

    1. Re:Moderators: GET A CLUE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But isn't it something like Funny doesn't increase your /. karma, but Insightful does? Like the mods rewarding the poster? Read that on another post somewhere once, don't know if that's true.

    2. Re:Moderators: GET A CLUE! by Moderatbastard · · Score: 0
      Funny doesn't increase your /. karma, but Insightful does? Like the mods rewarding the poster?
      Maybe you read it in my sig?
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      1/3 of jokes get modded OT. If you get the joke, mod 1 in 3 insightful/interesting/underrated to restore karma balance.
    3. Re:Moderators: GET A CLUE! by kesuki · · Score: 1

      there are people who go around (when they get moderator points) and filter to look for funny mods they don't find funny, and then mod them down, because they think /. is lame, but the mod system is set to pretty much never give those ppl mod points again, so... they make new accounts, get karma up with whoring, and get mod points again, to do it again.. until they get subnet banned.

  43. Links and research papers by FleaPlus · · Score: 4, Informative

    First off, here's a link to the EpiSims site at Los Alamos National Labs. They have a neat (250 meg) video showing smallprox propagation, as well as several graphs.

    Here's a link to the general web page at LANL for Dynamic Simulation Science, which also includes information on things like simulation of transportation networks.

    A google scholar search turns up a few interesting-looking research papers:

    Structural and Algorithmic Aspects of Massive Social Networks (Eubank et al, 2004)

    Understanding Large-Scale Social and Infrastructure Networks: ASimulation-Based Approach (Barrett et al)

    BioWar: A City-Scale Multi-Agent Network Model of Weaponized Biological Attacks

  44. Newly released expansion by LincolnX · · Score: 1

    Isn't this the new expansion that just came out for Sims 2?

  45. That's why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
    ...Microsoft is releasing a Windows Cluster Edition

    So we can all play EpiSims!

  46. My version... by Peter777 · · Score: 4, Funny

    19.35 - You are in your parents basement. It's very dark. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.

    'up'

    19.40 - You are in your parents hall. You hear voices to the east.

    'east'

    19.45 - The room is full of people. You are likely to catch the plague.

    'mingle'

    19.50 - Your aunt kisses you.

    'use handkerchief'

    19.55 - You feel dizzy

    'South'

    20.00 - You are in the kitchen. You have caught the plague. You feel very hot.

    'South'

    20.05 - You are in the garden. You are dead.

  47. Ooooh, Terrorists! by Lars+T. · · Score: 1
    An Open Letter to Elias Zerhouni and the NewScientist's take on it: Top US biologists oppose biodefence boom
    Efforts to defend the US against bioterrorists - by throwing money at research - are backfiring, says a 750-strong group of top scientists.
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    Lars T.

    To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck

    1. Re:Ooooh, Terrorists! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is true, becouse ONLY USA has a real Biowar program. Remember that it was USAs own smallpox mailed after 9/11.

    2. Re:Ooooh, Terrorists! by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      Anthrax, actually. Odd that we don't hear much of that anymore.

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      Lars T.

      To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck

    3. Re:Ooooh, Terrorists! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because DHS specifically orchestrated the entire episode to justify their twisted existence to 'protect' us. You decide whether I am trolling or serious.

    4. Re:Ooooh, Terrorists! by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      Anthrax isn't that dangerous... it was wound up to make everyone really scared but it can't be transmitted between people and is actually quite hard to get even if you're exposed to it (try visiting a farm in South America.. you'll be exposed to gobs of the stuff).

    5. Re:Ooooh, Terrorists! by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      Exactly. So why spend much more on a cure against Anthrax than against diseases that kill thousands each year? That's what the open letter is about.

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      Lars T.

      To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck

  48. Re:BOYCOTT MTI! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been seeing this all over the place. You wan't us to boycott them, tell us what they did!

    Give us the dirt, man!

  49. funded by? ... :p by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And this is why government but have the power to lock up anyone without trial. ;)

  50. Am I alone in thinking.... by TeeJS · · Score: 1
    that the graphics are identical to the game Lemonade Tycoon? It makes me want to sell the poor infected souls a cool refreshing drink!

    I am sorry for having spread this addictive agent to you if you haven't been previously exposed.....

  51. Rule the earth today! by rp · · Score: 1

    Rather, it means that when /.'ers rule the earth, they are usually constructing a simulation.

    To me at least the whole project reminds me of another, which has free software to construct even better simulations (multiple viruses at once) - and it allows you to rule the earth at the same time!

    See

    http://pubserver.freeciv.org/viewgame.phtml?game=3 74250

    for an example, and

    http://pubserver.freeciv.org/query.phtml?minplayer s=12&minturns=200

    for a couple more.

  52. Ann vs. Bob by G4from128k · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The real cause for concern is not Ann, the typical adult, but Bob, the traveling salesman. Bob comes into contact with hundreds of people spread across a wide area. Bob can give the infection to client sin remote sites and airline passengers. Worse, Bob will give the disease to hotel and airline workers (who spread it to other "Bob"s that travel).

    The connectivity of people lies on a 2-D spectrum of distance and numerousity. Highly connected, highly-travelled people will play a much greater role in spreading the disease than typically-connected, less mobile people. Given the incubation delay and delays in reporting of an epidemic, the Bobs of the world will have done their damage long before the government realizes the danger and closes the airports.

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    Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
    1. Re:Ann vs. Bob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Highly connected, highly-travelled people will play a much greater role in spreading the disease than typically-connected, less mobile people.

      The term you are searching for is "Scale-free network"

  53. Oh geez by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow. It reads like an article in Scientific American or something.

    Oh wait. Nevermind.

    Geez, seriously though, the people who write the articles seem to get off on making it as dry and long-winded as they can. TRANSIM this and TRANSIM that...blah blah blah. Do these people not read their own stuff?

  54. The best way to prevent an outbreak from spreading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

  55. Dude! by tod_miller · · Score: 1

    Dude, what does mine say?
    Sweet, what does mine say?
    Dude! What does mine say?
    Sweet!! What does mine say?
    Dude!! What does mine say?
    Sweet!!! What does mine say?

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    #hostfile 0.0.0.0 primidi.com 0.0.0.0 www.primidi.com 0.0.0.0 radio.weblogs.com
  56. The AIDS version by Animats · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Read Sexual Ecology, by Gabriel Rotello. A Sims-like simulator for AIDS is exactly what's needed to test the theories expressed in that book.

    The current simulator has a model of Portland in it. A mod for San Francisco is an obvious next step.

  57. Epidemic@home? by FleaPlus · · Score: 1

    It seems like simulations like these should parallelize nicely, and be ideal for a distributed computing project -- Epidemic@home, anyone? It'd be very interesting to watch running, and would help educate people about how diseases are spread. Of course, you'd probably also want to limit the amount of data conveyed to single users, to keep it from being too useful to "Bad People."

  58. When will Sims Epidemic: The Urbz come out? by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Just think of all the fab bubonic plaque carrier tattoos you can adorn your Sim with, while learning useful skills like Retch and Die and Group Infection Hug.

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