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LinuxPPC64 Contest

Robert MacFarlan writes: "IBM is sponsoring a Open Source developer contest for their Linux on POWER (Linux PPC 64) effort. The contest is designed to award and showcase innovative new open source applications that are designed or optimized specifically for Linux running on the PPC architecture. The contest also awards ports of existing applications from a predetermined list. Contest prizes include Segway HTs, Apple Power Mac G5s, and cash awards. "

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  1. Apple? by polyhue · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Mentioning PPC gives an Apple topic automatically?

    1. Re:Apple? by FrothyBitter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That makes perfect sense, because IBM makes the PPC. Oh wait, you're right, that doesn't make sense at all.

    2. Re:Apple? by tehshen · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you look at the topic list, it's in 'Hardware (Apple)', so it's in Apple.

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    3. Re:Apple? by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's probably the same reason that everything about applications for generic Unix systems get filed under the "Linux" section. The current list of sections is a little poorly chosen, to put it mildly. There is no IBM or Power section, or anything that really would make a good home for Power related topics.

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    4. Re:Apple? by remahl · · Score: 3, Informative

      But it isn't Apple hardware! It's all IBM. It's not even PPC, it's POWER, which Apple doesn't use.

    5. Re:Apple? by Seehund · · Score: 3, Funny

      Mentioning PPC gives an Apple topic automatically?

      Welcome to Slashdot, User 38... Oh.

      Yes. So does anything having anything to do with portable digital audio players. :)

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    6. Re:Apple? by Lars+T. · · Score: 2, Informative

      RTFA: "Linux running on the PPC architecture". I bet most people running Linux on PPC or POWER run it on Apple hardware.

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    7. Re:Apple? by citog · · Score: 2, Funny

      In that case, I'm not going to bother ... :)

    8. Re:Apple? by FidelCatsro · · Score: 2, Informative

      ;) you do know thez have been avaliable for a couple years now
      url:http://www.eyetech.co.uk/search.php?Searc hStr= &SearchCat=AMA1>

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  2. Re:...What? by Avyakata · · Score: 2, Informative

    They realized it was a dupe and decided to do away with it...executioner style...*cough*

  3. iTunes? by The-Perl-CD-Bookshel · · Score: 2, Funny

    *ducking* - don't hit me

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  4. Apple? by Teknobob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My bet is that it's listed under Apple since the 2nd tier winners get:

    Apple Power Mac G5 and $1,000 cash prize.

    Either that or Hemos knows something we have only heard rumors about between Apple and IBM...

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  5. G4? by MetaPhyzx · · Score: 2
    If contestants do not have direct access to LinuxPPC64 platforms such as IBM eServer or Apple Power Mac G5 to develop or port on, community-based resources may be found at the University of Portland School of Engineering.


    What about on a G4, using the Altivec extensions? Wouldn't this suffice? 64 or 32 bit is OK according to IBM, but optimized for 64. Won't a G4 suffice?

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    1. Re:G4? by FLAGGR · · Score: 2, Informative

      G4 != G5

      AFAIK, there are some of the G$ altivec instructions which will crash on the G5, which is why some OSX apps had to be ported. Plus, they want it for the POWER PPC64 architecture anyway, so no.

  6. Re:...What? by jawtheshark · · Score: 2, Informative

    Perhaps because it would have been a dupe?
    For a change the mysterious future worked! :-)

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  7. Porting wine? by SeanTobin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Check out number 99. They want someone to port wine!

    Now, porting between OS's on the same architecture is difficult. Porting between the same OS on different architectures can be easy, or insanely difficult. Porting a "not-an-emulator" that "ports" other applications running on a different operating system across a different architecture to run the "ported" application on the non-native architecture... well, the word difficult just doesn't seem to cut it.

    But, if anyone manages to do it they deserve a freakin' medal!

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    1. Re:Porting wine? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Darwine project has winelib running on OS X, and aims to tie QEMU to WINE to allow windows apps to run with the binaries in the emulated environments and the wine calls running on the native platform.

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    2. Re:Porting wine? by QuantumG · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I can do this already. We did a little experiment last year. Using the open source decompiler Boomerang you can turn a windows exe into C code. You can then simply recompile that source code on any platform using winelib including non-x86 platforms like PPC. Of course, you then have to test the app and ensure that it still works, which takes a fair bit of effort as winelib isn't exactly that portable and Boomerang isn't that mature just yet. But it is possible, and it's truely the highest performance way to "run win32 apps on PPC".

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    3. Re:Porting wine? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Informative
      Wine (and winelib) draws its own widgets, which look and behave the same way the Windows ones do. While, technically, it would be relatively easy to make them appear like native widgets, this would be a horrendous decision for two reasons:
      1. It would remove an important visual clue that the application in question is not a native application, and will not behave like one.
      2. It would encourage the attitude that having an app running in Wine is `good enough,' and make native ports (with UIs consistent with the rest of the system) less attractive to developers.
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  8. Re:Timely? by Mantorp · · Score: 2, Funny

    Have you heard of the x-price? Some private company will fly in to space and get a bundle of money. Can't wait to read about that if/when it happens.

  9. Taxable income? by eric_ste · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I know that this is a "contest" but since you kind of get paid (toyota prius) for work (a pice of software that works on PPC), would you include the price as part as your taxable income? What do the IRS people think about that?

    1. Re:Taxable income? by ocelotbob · · Score: 3, Informative

      Just like game show winnings, the prizes are considered taxable income.

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  10. Open to US residents only by chriseh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The following contest is intended for viewing in the United States only (except in Puerto Rico) and shall only be construed and evaluated according to United States law. Do not proceed in this site if you are not a resident of, and located, in the United States (except Puerto Rico) at the time of entry.

    Unfortunatetly IBM really doesn't get it. The Linux community is international. This contest excludes some of the best kernel hackers (including Linus!).

    IBM, get with the program!

    1. Re:Open to US residents only by dilby · · Score: 5, Informative
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    2. Re:Open to US residents only by Inigo+Montoya · · Score: 5, Informative
      From cnews.canoe.ca:

      "While some companies permit Quebec entrants, many are scared away by unique rules that are mandated by the province's gaming agency.

      Quebec is the lone Canadian jurisdiction that requires security deposits, charges fees and enforces strict rules about draws valued at more than $100. Some American states also enforce rules that prevent their residents from participating in contests.

      In addition to requiring that all documents be written in French, Quebec's agency charges three per cent of the value of all national prizes, even if a Quebecer doesn't claim a prize, or 10 per cent of the value of a contest run exclusively in the province. The agency collected nearly $1.7 million in fees last year.

      In the rest of Canada, large contests are governed only by the federal Competition Act, a broad framework for promotional contests.

      "People often exclude Quebec just because they're afraid of these rules and don't really understand them," said Sharon Groom, a Toronto lawyer who represents many advertisers that run contests as a marketing tool.

      "They're not actually that bad but a lot of our clients will say we don't want to be bothered with doing this, so they exclude Quebec."

  11. Wow .. by TheViffer · · Score: 3, Funny

    looks like mods woke up in the wrong week/year today. Guess they are a little caught up in there current poll.

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  12. Re:"POWER" by Seehund · · Score: 4, Informative

    POWER is an acronym. "Performance Optimization With Enhanced RISC", IIRC.

    Now go shout at the eejits who shout "MAC" when referring to cute plastic from Apple, Inc. ;)

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  13. no no no, June 2005 by acomj · · Score: 4, Informative

    Read the article. Entries due by June 2005.. Registration Now..

    Who is moding around here...???

    1. Re:no no no, June 2005 by Coryoth · · Score: 3, Informative

      This article appeared in the Apple section early today, then vanished. It has now reappeared in the developers section with most of the old comments (and moderation) still attached.

      Why does this matter? Because the first incarnation of the article linked to the previous Linux on POWER contest which closed in 2004 and was simply announcing winners. Presumably the Slashdot editors noticed (who would have thought), pulled it, corrected it, and reposted it. Unfortunately all the comments bitching about it that got (reasonably enough at the time) modded up are also still attached.

      Ah well, this is Slashdot after all.

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  14. It's been done by dilby · · Score: 2, Funny
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  15. thinking of joining? by Neo-Rio-101 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So in order to join the contest I have to pony up some money for a POWER system... ...aye, there's the rub me laddie.

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  16. Re:Too bad apple can't run latest version of Java by michaeldot · · Score: 2, Insightful
    So you win a computer you can't use to develop java with..

    Not true, since the winners won't be announced until well after Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger ships in April about 4 weeks from now (if the Think Secret rumors are true, which they're pretty much guaranteed to be, given they have Trade Secrets at their fingertips).

    And since Java 1.5/5.0 JDK code is hardly in fullscale deployment yet, if you're using it it's probably for research purposes and for a developer on PPC64 the chances are highly likely you've been using OS X Tiger in pre-release since last year anyway.

    So, yes, it could be annoying, but if you're actually a developer, it's not much of an issue and for the wider community it will be rectified very soon with OS X Tiger's release.

  17. Porting WASTE? by koko775 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Interesting how IBM's implicitly endorsing WASTE. Foolish AOL. Foolish, Foolish AOL.

  18. a segway? by megabeck42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So, wait, if I win tier 1, can I elect the tier 2 prize? Who wants a segway anyways? I think a better incentive would have been Apple Cinema displays..

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  19. Re:give us cheap Linux-based PPC machines by JudasBlue · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, the grandparent was complaining about the tied hardware with insufficent released specs. Which isn't likely to change, unfortnuately, since Apple has been doing this pretty much as long as they have existed.

    Though I don't pretend to understand what Apple thinks they are gaining by holding back things like full specs on the airport extreme card in my notebook which would allow better development from the open source community with no downside I can see for Apple. But such is the way of the fruit. And I like my little notebook enough, but this is one of the annoyances of going with the Apple platform.

    And if someone can tell me why the airport network interface is only brought up AFTER someone logs into the machine, thus making NIS authentication over the wireless card a moot point, I would like to know that, as well. Ah, but that is wandering far off topic.

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  20. Meta: Apple? IBM? Developers? by Lars+T. · · Score: 2, Informative

    In case somebody wonders about the Apple comments: this appeared in the Apple section yesterday (with an Apple G4 icon IIRC), but was moved to developers.slashdot.org. Which clears up another confusion: this is not a dupe.

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  21. Whole new meaning to 'IBM Compatable' by Associate · · Score: 4, Funny

    Remember when IBM Clone or Compatable meant something running DOS or Windows on and Intel chip? What irony.

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  22. What is the award for? by Nuffsaid · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The contest is designed to award and showcase innovative new open source applications that are designed or optimized specifically for Linux running on the PPC architecture

    I don't get it. Are they rewarding the project that comes up with the poorest code portability? I always thought that one of the strongest points of Open Source Software is portability across platforms (OS and CPU architectures). Does IBM (in the role of a strong platform vendor) publicly promote going in the opposite direction? It is understandable from their point of view, but not a big help for OSS development, in my opinion.

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    1. Re:What is the award for? by Amiga+Trombone · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't get it. Are they rewarding the project that comes up with the poorest code portability? I always thought that one of the strongest points of Open Source Software is portability across platforms (OS and CPU architectures). Does IBM (in the role of a strong platform vendor) publicly promote going in the opposite direction?

      I'd expect that since most code developed on x86 can be ported to PPC, the opposite is probably true as well.

      But that's the problem - most Linux PPC Linux apps are ports of x86 apps.

      The object here, I think, is to promote PPC as a primary platform for Linux development, rather than a platform applications are ported to as an afterthought.

    2. Re:What is the award for? by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 3, Insightful


      The object here, I think, is to promote PPC as a primary platform for Linux development

      And to illustrate the advantages of the PPC arch, maybe including AltiVec, through optimization. While you can develop anything for the PPC, I would guess the winning entries would make good use of the benefits of the PPC arch vs. the Intel/AMD archs.

      Some things do better on PPC, some things don't, and IBM is likely looking for good examples of the former.

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  23. Re:give us cheap Linux-based PPC machines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Pegasos board runs Linux/ppc and MorphOS (an Amiga-like OS it seems) and others, although they don't seem to provide ppc970/G5s just yet. My bet it they would sell pretty well though..

    http://www.pegasosppc.com/

  24. Re:I Am An Engineer At University of Portland by goMac2500 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sorry, a post higher up noted that IBM was recommending people go through University of Portland for access to a Power based development lab. If I were less tired I would have replied to the post noting that. :)

  25. Re:give us cheap Linux-based PPC machines by Zeos386sx-16 · · Score: 2

    Well, Don't think I'd personally call these cheap. But, they are reletivly cheaper than the alternatives. http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/openpower/har dware/720.html A business might call them cheap. The price/performance is there in any event.

  26. Re:give us cheap Linux-based PPC machines by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 3, Informative

    Though I don't pretend to understand what Apple thinks they are gaining by holding back things like full specs on the airport extreme card in my notebook

    They probably aren't allowed to do so by their agreement with Broadcom, the chip's manufacturer. I think you'll find that Broadcom hasn't released open information on any of their products, so their refusal to allow Apple to do so is in keeping with that position.

    So the question becomes: why doesn't Broadcom release info to allow Linux users to use their gear? Who knows. Or, why does Apple choose a manufacturer that refuses to play with OSS? That's probably due to a) historical reasons--the stuff is working now, so it's have to be re-engineered using a different source, and b) there's not enough interest for Linux-on-Apple to warrant the change.

    But the bottomline is that if Broadcom released their info, Apple would be more likely to follow their lead.

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  27. Re:give us cheap Linux-based PPC machines by glitch0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Airport specs aren't being withheld by Apple, it's a Broadcom chipset which is proprietary.
    There's a petition for Broadcom to release opensource drivers on PetitionOnline.com.

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  28. Re:give us cheap Linux-based PPC machines by sapbasisnerd · · Score: 2, Informative
    This one:

    http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/openpower/har dware/710_browse.html

    Is cheaper for the entry config which is significantly beefier than the entry 720. Also keep in mind that there are even cheaper configs possible if you buy through a human salesperson at IBM or a dealer. Supposed entry price for these machines (I haven't seen the details but I assume it's like the entry 720, (only 512MB RAM, 1.5Ghz CPU and smaller disks) is US$3,000.

  29. Re:Contest already over... by Mr.+Sketch · · Score: 2, Informative

    That may be kinda difficult since the front page says:
    Registration begins on March 15, 2005!
    Entries are due by July 15, 2005!

  30. IBM OpenPower Linux server line by browncs · · Score: 2, Informative

    The correct URL for the OpenPower line is:

    http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/openpower/

    Click Here

  31. Welcoming me to Slashdot by David+Rolfe · · Score: 2, Funny

    Welcome to Slashdot, User 38... Oh.

    Hey, thanks for the welcome Seehund. Welcome to Slashdot to you too, User 86... Oh, you've been here for years, too.

    (Ok, no more uid posts for a couple months, I swear.)

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    1. Re:Welcoming me to Slashdot by David+Rolfe · · Score: 2, Funny

      Because only ACs live forever!

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  32. No freaking way. by WisconsinFusion · · Score: 2, Funny

    After scoping out the competition, I think I'll sit this one out.

  33. Broadcom hasn't released open information by bani · · Score: 3, Informative

    Broadcom hasn't released open information on any of their products.

    not true. not only have they released information on their gigabit ethernet chips, they also contributed drivers to the kernel.

    their wireless stuff is another story, iirc broadcom is under NDA due to some of the technology and core logic they licensed from others.