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Kubuntu, ArkLinux Announce KDE 3.4-Based Releases
arexx writes "Kubuntu, the new Linux flavour based on the fast-climbing Ubuntu but with a KDE desktop as standard has reached its first preview release, with the first full release due next month. ISOs and torrents are available for all major architectures from cdimage.ubuntu.com. Kubuntu is the first distribution to ship with the new KDE 3.4, released just two days ago. Existing Ubuntu users can grab KDE 3.4 with a quick and customarily painless 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' in the nearest terminal window." Kubuntu isn't alone, though: as reader fixertechno puts it, "After 3 years of development, testing, and me waiting patiently, the first stable release of Ark Linux has been released; Bero's announcement is here. Ark Linux is a KDE based desktop version of Linux with similar goals of 'it just works' to Ubuntu Linux. If you've been waiting to try Ark Linux -- or any Linux distribution for that matter, now's the time!"
Before anybody starts up with the name, let me quickly quote the Kubuntu FAQ:
What does kubuntu mean?
It means "towards humanity" in Bemba.
is there a distro that calls itself "afrolinux" or "ninux" or "libwackix" ?
Another linux distribution! ::cool::
Hey, it's my OPINION that dogs have eight legs and make a sound like a car horn every time they take a piss.
Even though Ubuntu provides the best Gnome desktop available people have always whined about lack of proper KDE support in Ubuntu. Now, people will be able to come to Ubuntu for their KDE desktop needs. From my testing on my laptop, it is top notch.
kubuntu is not based on ubuntu, kubuntu is ubuntu with KDE instead of gnome, it's from the same ubuntu team, anyway kubuntu mean "to humanity", it's real word
"Steve Jobs invented the world" -- Bill W. GATES
I've tried Kubuntu out, it's very nice, although not perfect, but such things should be fixed by release (1 month).
I use Ubuntu normally, and I feel Kubuntu is very important, because it allows those who prefer KDE to use Ubuntu as well.
I'm just hoping there'll be a Xubuntu or something like it with XFCE
Since Ubuntu is Debian's newer brother, it's great to see that they are coming up with different project to cover different needs, just like Debian. Debian covers the portability front (with loads of different ports working just the same way on different architectures), and Ubuntu the usability front with both KDE, Gnome and soon other ambients as well (XFCE and others).
;)
Before people go like "Why doesn't Canonical make one cd with both KDE and Gnome?", let me put it this way: the same reason why they don't make one big DVD like Fedora. Read their FAQ
I just had a look at the screenshot for the 'easy to use' network config dialog. It lists nice clueless user friendly things like
eth0 running Ethernet adapter
lo running Loopback adapter
All of which is perfectly clear to the average end user so presumably this is why there is no help button. And they seem to have a problem spelling associated, there was no z in it last time I looked.
So after a very very brief look I dont see anything particularly user friendly but I do see sloppiness.
Do not try to read the dupe, thats impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth
What truth?
There is no dupe
To get the full Kubuntu feeling (like themed kdm, Kubuntu wallpaper etc.) and not pure KDE 3.4 alone you have to "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-default-settings" additionally/instead.
The whole purpose of Ubuntu having only Gnome is although choice is fine, a new user should be offered just Gnome, and is not to be bothered with any other desktop. Now the user is bothered with different ubuntu's before he/she even starts downloading or ordering a CD!
Even worse, when Kubunto _also_ gains popularity, people will be able to help each other less. Much like the MacOS and Windows debates, groups of people will form around these and they don't usually sit next to each other, helping others with the different desktop.
This is a big strength in the monopoly of Microsoft with their Windows. People are so used to seeing others who use Windows too, that they assume someone uses it when they see someone. I've lost count how many times people told me to click 'start' while I don't even have a menu button at all on my desktop.
But those people help each other a lot, and they're happy that way. When you say you don't have that, then first they think that you can't do what they do (whatever it is) and second, they think what you run sucks/is harder/ because, well actually, they're just computer illeterate most of the times.
However, I do not oppose the KDE project. But please, don't call this KDE-Ubuntu Kubuntu. Call it something else, because it's _NOT_ ubuntu. That way, it'll just mix into the usual browser war of mandrake/suse/redhat/etc. Thats something that we wont get rid of anytime soon, but one more or less probably doesnt hurt that much.
SuSE Linux Professional and SuSE Linux Personal is ok, people can understand that, and they _both_ use KDE, only personal has no development stuff and other, more advanced stuff.
This is different.
Not using the "K" at all,so you dont have a clue if its a KDE complient application.
Dont like the K, dont use K-apps.
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Kubuntu is not just a derivative of Ubuntu like many Debian based distros. Kubuntu and Ubuntu are not meant to be separate, competing distros. In fact they are basically the same thing- you can apt-get install KDE in Ubuntu and Gnome in Kubuntu. The main difference is that Ubuntu COMES with Gnome and Kubuntu COMES with kde, instead of the Ubuntu team providing multiple CD's like most distros. Kubuntu FAQ
Don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to bash Ubuntu Linux (I'm sure it's a fine distribution), but don't others find the whole "Ubuntu Linux brings the spirit of Ubuntu to the software world" seem kinda hokey. I mean, I'm all for a user-accessible Linux accessible distribution but the whole idea of "Peace, Love, and Linux" just reeks of marketing gone wrong.
reminds me of that very old ben franklin engraving - join or die.
I am a big fan of the KDE Descktop and i am very happy to hear that ubuntu is having a release whit a kde desktop, Ubuntu Linux speed combined whit the beauty of KDE can bring this lilte distro to get listed in the major distro`s category. I am hoping the best for Ubuntu, i realy enjoy it.
Think like a hacker, act like a hacker, but never become a hacker !
How do I turn on transparency with the LiveCD in KDE? Don't see the option...
Have moved over to Arch Linux (from FC3) and have been running KDE3.4 for nearly a week. Have experienced quite a few speed improvements. Mostly what I've noticed, though, is the clean, impressive eyecandy. For my monitor and graphics card, it's the best looking Linux I've seen (old Sony 20" and cheap nVidia GForce w/64MB).
(Arch uses "rolling" releases. It's nice, too.)
I really like the Ubuntu distro, and I'm seriously thinking of going that route with my next upgrade. Ubuntu really shows off the nice things about Gnome. (Except for the Human theme - give me Gorilla, please).
In contrast, the Kubuntu doesn't really show off much of the latest KDE release. I booted it up, had a look, and [i]Zzzzzzz[/i]. Heck, it hasn't even got any games! I rebooted, and wiped the .iso from my disk.
I'm hoping that someone else puts out a nice Live CD distro to show KDE off, but Kubuntu isn't it.
Just today morning, I was going over the Ubuntu live CD that I have at home and I was quite impressed. Very clean Gnome desktop. But then again, Gnome is a bit boring and I was disappointed that they had no KDE... and now they do. Yay :) I am happy again :).
Alough a good UI is eye candy to some, a good UI is important to me when I'm coding. When I'm frustrated that my code doesn't work, that last thing I need to see is some dull UI that makes me even sadder.. :p
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It's flying (well, relatively) on my P2 400 with 128mb/5400rpm HD. What problems are you having?
What I would really like is a LiveCD with LaTex. Anyone know of one, since Knoppix dropped support I've been a little frustrated...
I'm looking for a Linux distro which I can follow and mindlessly defend with religious zealotry. Should anyone dis my new-found distro they shall feel the point of my sharp Slashdot wit!
About a special windows license: Wubuntu (ancient african word meaning: blue screens for everyone). Wubuntu will use the upcoming Qt toolkit for Windows. Further down the road: Macuntu, OS2untu (pronounced: ozuntu). I can't wait. Gotta go now, strange beeps from my Nokia 7610. Guess Symbiuntu 0.01a is giving up.
E.g. take a look at the T2 SDE. It allows you to rebuild your CD or Live-CD any time with up-to-date packages including KDE and GNOME. Currently 3.4. and 2.10 are included since the day they have been released (GNOME even days before).
And of course it supports nearly all architectures Linux does support - current: alpha, arm, mips, hppa. ia64. powerpc, powerpc64, sparc, sparc64, superh, x86 and x86-64.
Basic rundown:
Gnome is a GTK based desktop environment with a focus on usability and simplicity, at times to a near detrimental level. Philosophically, it's a solid approach, but developers and users do butt heads from time to time. It's generally considered more 'Mac-like.' (More MacOS = OS 9 than X).
KDE is a QT based destkop environment which focuses primarily on flexibility and a high degree of customization. KDE focuses more on giving those that consider themselves power a larger degree of control. This degree of control does, however, lead to an increased level of complexity. Interface wise, it's the more Windows-like of the two.
And it's this point that has me slightly confused with the Kubuntu project. If you spend any time around the forums, you'll pick up that Ubuntu is built around an almost severely strict regimine of usibility. For example, in one thread I was watching, the idea of using red/green to indicate OK/Fail during boot up was shot down on the grounds that it could cause problems for people with color blindness.
While I appreciate that some people honestly prefer KDE as an environment, I don't quite see where it fits into Ubuntu's philosophy. Ubuntu is almost painfully easy to use - I have a friend who is a geek and a bit of a Macintosh zealot who's previously expressed a rather strong dislike for Linux, and even he's fallen in love with this distribution. I just don't see how it can maintain its character on KDE without pruning away many of the things the KDE advocates really like.
I have seen Ubuntu. Yeah, it's good that it's based on Debian. Most of the drivers are built in, so you don't have to compile your own. It's a bit freaky when you have to compile drivers right off the bat when all you want is to get your sound/wireless/hardware working. But what's the big deal with Kubuntu anyways. I really don't get it!! all you need to do is 'apt-get install kde-base kdm' on ubuntu. I think it's a big wate of time, and all the guy need to have done is to post on ubuntu wiki on how to get kde on a ubuntu machine.
lets for all major distros on the sole basis of dekstop environement choice, because it's so hard to make an apt-source with KDE on it. ...even if KDE looks like a garbage truck colliding with a toys'r'us...
Had a few different (kde based) installations on a celeron 333 with 128mb, it ran like shit, took several minutes to login with kde and even opening file managers and browsers was worse than watching paint dry, it was absolutely unusable, had a fiddle around with the kdeinit with no success. Gave up and stuck Windows 2000 on the same machine: runs like a dream, boots fast, responsive, firefox, openoffice.
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Having used Ubuntu for a short time, I can assure you - Gnome takes a little bit of getting used to, and I can say for sure that while Ubuntu does provide users with the best gnome experience available (as parent states), Gnome 2.10 introduced a few more quirks - like, NO way to edit Application menus (nautilus:///applications does not work anymore). Also I had A LOT of trouble getting nvsound to compile and work with gstreamer. Gnome 2.10 is NOWHERE near ready for primetime. KDE 3.4 is way more polished, and the lipstick theme looks gorgeous. And sound works fine (nForce2 chipset)
Installing KDE in Ubuntu 5.04 "hoary" is nothing more than a simple sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop (and lots of downloading). I have made the switch, and I am not going back.
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Given that most of the humanity are using Windows - Kubuntu is more user-friendly. Period.
you, sir, are the one beating a dead horse. what good does it do to point out dupes? go troll somewhere else
use your turn signal! you people act like it's divulging information to the enemy
LOL, who is the moderator with the sand in the vagina?
Legitimate question, followed up with a legitimate answer (thanks by the way)
Moron.
I am SOOOO happy about Kubuntu. Why? Because finally things I plug in (pen drives, CDs) pop up on the desktop like in Gnome. Project Utopia kicks ass, and I like the fact that the new KDE takes advantage of it!
Open Source Sushi
nuff said.
Singularity: a belief in the "God" idea with the "demiurge" relation inverted.
I have the same problem, only on a much faster machine. I have a 1.8GHz Celeron right now with a gig of RAM and a decent vidcard. Installed kubuntu from the iso. I have yet to get my nvidia driver installed properly (the kynaptic package with an nvidia driver still doesn't let me mod my xorg.conf away from the nv driver) and, though there is loads of attractive, fast-running eye candy, my applications are slow. Firefox runs much slower than under winxp on the same box, and I can't get the fonts in firefox to stop looking just terrible - like freetype isn't compiled in or something. The fonts throughout KDE look way better than fonts under winxp though, so that's a plus. It' sjust that under WinXP, no program has fonts as bad as firefox's default package under kubuntu.
The fact that I have to download a large list of things to even get to the point where I can start compiling firefox with freetype support myself is also a mark against the distro, imho.
Having said that, I've been away from Linux on the desktop for a couple of years now, and I can categorically say that this is better than it used to be. But where's the revolution? I've been hearing that it's ready for the desktop - then why doesn't firefox look good under it? Also, my kynaptic database gets locked frequently, and there's no recourse I can figure out to unlock it other than to reboot - I've killed any kynaptic-looking process, tore down X, and still there's a lock. I know that there's some way around it - why do I have to ask for a way around it? If linux were ready for the desktop, WinXP wouldn't run faster than this out of the box, and my install manager wouldn't lock me out of it.
-knewter