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CaminoBrowser.org Launches
Samuel Sidler writes "Introducing CaminoBrowser.org, the new Camino project site. The pages have been completely revamped with up-to-date information, useful and easy-to-read support pages, and, of course, pretty pictures. Months of effort have gone into creating a truly excellent site. While the product pages will remain hosted at mozilla.org, our new website will be the home of the project and all support/development information as well as up-to-date news and information."
I agree that's a slick looking site. I didnt even know camino was still being developed :P Looking at the screenshots there's lots of improvements since I last saw it (0.7), but on the Mac side, Safari does everything I need. Sorry :P
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I mainly use Firefox on Windows anyways (as my main browsing experience). Good to see this baby still in development though. I remember how excited I got back in the 0.1 and 0.2 days everytime a new release came out
Joseph?
Safari, especially the version that run on 10.2, is slow as a dead dog. Camino is fast, very fast, and positively blazing compared to Safari. Ya damn troll.
I've always preferred Chimera/Camino over any other browser in OSX. It's fast, friendly and it just works. Keep up the good work.
That's one aspect of a web browser, there's dozens more. I kinda feel like tabs are the last real innovation for web browsers. Kinda like cup holders in cinemas. Guess I should be greatful it didn't take 30 years.
How we know is more important than what we know.
What does Camino offer that Firefox doesn't? The products seem to do much the same thing, and indeed, look virtually identical on the Mac.
I guess my question is, why would somebody want to use Camino over Firefox?
The pages have been completely revamped with up-to-date information, useful and easy-to-read support pages, and, of course, pretty pictures.
Unfortunately they forgot to upgrade the bandwidth as well.
I recently stumbled upon Kazehakase, which uses GTK+ and is available for Linux. It's in many ways a superior Gecko browser for Linux to Firefox, mostly because it avoids the drawbacks of XUL. It has mouse gestures, full text search and thumbnailed history, RSS, better tabbing (drag and drop of them, they can be displayed vertically, etc.), and I believe some sort of benefit for Japanses speakers. Despite their limited development base, I really think Firefox's platform-specific alternatives (including Camino and K-Meleon) are superior to it.
I was extremely annoyed by Camino's old tabbing system arbitrarily refusing to display more than 15 tabs. (a year or two ago, someone complained that tabs didn't look nice when they got really closely packed, and one of the developers decided to 'fix' things by pulling a number out of his hat, and simply ignoring any attempts to open more tabs than that)
Now that I can load up my morning webcomics with a single click again, I may actually switch back from safari to Camino.
Also, Safari & Firefox don't let you cmd-click items in menus to create new tabs, like you can in the windows version of firefox. And it seems Camino supports this too now, cool.
The graphics could use a bit of updating to match Panther's version of pinstripes, but otherwise this looks very cool.
"The worst tyrannies were the ones where a governance required its own logic on every embedded node." - Vernor Vinge
Not trying to troll here but they should update the damn browser before they try to update the web site. 0.8.2 has been out since freakin December!
Don't mod me, bro'!!!!
...It's awful hard to live up to the standards set by Firefox & Safari on the Mac!
I'm a Firefox diehard, but I find myself still launching Safari on occassion, either due to a neccesaiity (For instance, I don't fee; that DEVONthinks applescripts integrate as well with Firefox as they do with Safari), or just out of the "Wow, it feels so 'lightweight'" feeling that it brings to the table. And this is Firefox we're talking about here! It ain't no slouch when it comes to speed.
In fact, until v1 of Firefox came out, Safari was my number one browser when on the Mac (which is basically any non-work related computer time). But since v1 hit the streets, and especially since the (newish) Saferfox theme came out, Firefox is my browser of choice, just like it is under Linux & Windows.
The reason? The plugins! If Safari supported Firefox's plugins, I would be in a major dillemma(sp?) about which to use.
But this thread's about Camino, and the whole point I started out to make was that Camino's always felt like it was somehow a couple of versions, feature-wise, and stability-wise, behind Safari and Firefox. It is slick, but it's not as feature laden as Firefox, and the last release I used wasn't able to use Firefox's plugins. I hope that changes soon.
Hopefully this new site signals a more active development cycle for Camino. It's goals are to basically convert Firefox/Moz over to a more polished "native app" like look n' feel, which I think would/will be a great thing, if they can accomplish it.
On the other hand, if Safari follows KDE's lead (Safari's still based off Konqueror/KDE code, I believe), and ports the Moz rendering engine for use with Safari, they could, in theory at least, also make Firefox's plugins work also...
Suffice it say that Camino has its work cut out for it! Give me Firefox, the Adblocker, and Tabclick extensions, as well as the aforementioned Safefox theme, and it'll take something revolutionary to make me consider switching. After all, if I need something a little more Native app-like, I can always fall back on Safari! 8)=
For a mac, firefox just doesn't cut it. I really love the extensions but i'm willing to live without them to have the power of the wheel mouse and other such useful things. Camino uses a nice native cocoa interface which makes a big difference in usability.
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Hmm...Actually, it looks like Camino and mac-Firefox will let you cmd-click items in menus to create new tabs, but both still won't let you middle-click on menu items to do the same thing. Oh well, there's allways room for improvement.
"The worst tyrannies were the ones where a governance required its own logic on every embedded node." - Vernor Vinge
A new webpage is great but until the browser supports extentions its no good to me. browsing without adblock (amongst others) just doesnt feel like browsing anymore. why would one use camino over safari anyhow? exentions are the main reason i use firefox over safari; remove that from the equation and im not sure it would take much to make me swap
TIAEAE!
Camino has built in support for a lot of the system wide OS X features like Keychain, the spell checker, Address Book, most of the cocoa services, and probably a few others I'm forgetting.
Hopefully a new version of Camino will look this cool. I still like Camino most besides Safari, but lately I've been avoiding it because I hate to get attached to a piece of defunct software. Seriously, I thought Camino development was abandoned a while back, since it seems like it's been at 0.82 for friggin' ever. Now I can start using it again!
Why Camino over Firefox? Camino is faster, uses fewer system resources, and has a beautiful Cocoa front end, meaning that it's GUI and widgets are all Aqua goodness. When I use Firefox, I feel like I'm on a Windows box, and that's not why I bought a Mac.
Thanks to all the Camino developers out there, they rock! I wish all the resources that went to Firefox for Mac were concentrated on Camino instead. Downloading a nightly as I type this to see what's up.
Middle click works in Camino. It doesn't work in Firefox.
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Just downloaded 0.8.2 - first things first - glad to see that development is still ongoing with this browser. I had given it up for dead, though 0.8 was never deleted from my HD.
I toggle between Firefox and Safari for the most part, but the one thing I love about Camino is it's speed. Firefox, by comparison, feels bloated - and Safari feels slow.
I'm very anxious to see Camino hit the 1.0 milestone. Kudos to the developers.
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Tab behavior in Safari is totally user-configurable.
Camino would be my browser of choice if Safari did not exist, but it does, so it's not.
Still, I pity Windows users, who have access to neither of these superior browsers. Firefox does okay in a pinch, but IE6 is gawd-awful.
I think part of the reason for the limitation was speed. I opened up a bug complaining that Camino (then Chimera) was incredibly slow when opening up a large number of tabs; turned out to be an issue with variable width tabs (ie: trying to fit as much text as possible on the tab bar by having the tabs be different widths).
Part of the fix was to limit the number of tabs accessible within a single window. I protested this, but nobody listened. Glad that that limitation is gone now.
(Running "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.8a6) Gecko/20041222 Firefox/1.0+" here)
The next point release of Firefox should support it "officially."
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
God knows the best part about any browser is how good it's website is! Woohoo!
Mozilla power, Mac style, Lossy JPEG compression. Could it get any better?
IIRC, they'd allready switched to fixed-width tabs somewhat before they put that limit on the number of tabs per window.
Nope - it happened at the same time.
How do I know? I wrote the fixed-width tab code, then bitched when the guy that checked it in added a "max tab per page" constant.
Camino looks better and renders faster, for sure. But the reason I use Firefox rather than Safari is the extension system, so it's still my browser of choice.
Camino: :-(
+Nicer tabs
+Better scrolling
+Better integration
-No Mozilla extensions.
-So no way to block Flash or images natively
+Much better preference panel
+Pretty close functionality to Safari.
+Fastest of the three, it seems.
Firefox:
-A little glitchy at times
+Very good extensions support
+Works mostly the same as Firefox on other platforms
-Integration with OSX not so good, nor is it supposed to be.
-Slow at times.
Safari:
+Just works
-No way to block annoying Flash popups
Safari works for most things, Firefox works for the rest, and Camino sort of just ends up out there in case the first two don't work.
-Rob
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For everyone who thinks Camino is speedy versus Firefox and Safari, you should search the mozillazine forums for arch optimized nightlys of it... The closest comparation I can make is when the roadrunner goes "Beep-Beep" and leaves the coyote in the dust. :P
It all comes down to the ease of installs. I'll be honest, I hesitated alittle before installing firefox on linux. I feared too many dependencies etc.
Yes. They could have started by not ruining their nice design by using Jpegs for text.
That aside it's a very nice site for a very nice browser.
This browser is certainly the best choice if you have Panther on something like an iBook 500 with just about 400MB Ram. Safari tends to be slow, FF doesn't scroll well and is too heavy for my system (and doesn't feel right under OS X) So Camino does really do a nice job. And if you feel that 0.8.2 is too old, why not use a nightly. They work perfectly most of the time.
It all comes down to the ease of installs. I'll be honest, I hesitated alittle before installing firefox on linux. I feared too many dependencies etc.
Huh, weird.
It's just I've never heard of anyone having an attitude quite like that. That is, if Firefox demanded a bunch of crazy shared libraries that all had to be installed, that would blow. But like many applications like it, as well as all the Moz apps that you download from their site, they've got it all linked in there. And they have for years. Just like Netscape before it. *shrug*
I mean, if I'm worried an app will have a bunch of dependencies I try to install it. If it complains about not having libfoo-2.1.4-24 and I have libfoo-2.1.4-39 and a bunch of others, I may reconsider. But why hestiate? The only way to find out is to try it.
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That's the real bummer that prevents me from using Camino.
ExtraPrefs offers an Adblock-a-like, which helps, but some of the other extensions that I no longer care to live without just aren't there.
...and I've stated the reason before.
Why it has to be so hard to implement this kind of basic functionality? There are at least three bugs in Camino's Bugzilla that are related to this.
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I was initially disapointed as I had become lazy running the fox under win32 and the "click here to install this plugin" goodness.
Camino (then Chimera) was first released in January 2002. Firefox (then Phoenix) was first released in September 2002, and said this about the Mac:Not until Firebird 0.6 in May 2003 was the Mac was officially supported. If you're going to 'blame' a project for duplicating effort, don't blame Camino.
Also, an amusing aside: Dave Hyatt started both the Chimera and Phoenix projects. Now he works fulltime at Apple on Safari...
"Camino" reminds me of the name of the cloner's homeworld in Star Wars Episode II. Though I believe it's spelled "Kamino" there.
Both have milky white design lines, so...
Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, START
AFAICS (and I've just tried) Camino still doesn't support automated proxy configurations, eg load a .pac file from the Network preferences.
Works with Safari and Mozilla but nothing else so far.
I have three browsers on my machine, Safari, Camino, and Firefox. I use them in that order.
I would like to use FireFox more often, but the hideous Windows interface is unbearable. I can deal with it for a couple of sites every now and then than are broken under the other two, but that is about it.
Camino is a great start, but does not offer the full features of the other two browsers. It would be unusable for day to day use, I think (I am sure there are people that use it day in and day out, but for me it is simply too limited).
Safari does most of what a browser should. It is far from complete (PithHelmet goes a far way to improve that, at least in the filtering category), but it looks good and works well 99.9% of the time.
I would like nothing more than to see the day when Camino is feature-complete and a worthy alternative to Safari.
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That's a header, with special text that needs to look a certain way. It's a perfectly justifiable use of a graphic for text. A great many well designed sites do this, including A List Apart and Zeldman.com.
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Well 'Chimera' reminds ME of the lump on my back that was supposed to be my twin brother. Oh the humanity!
"Sometimes, I think Trent just needs a cup of hot chocolate and a blankie." -Tori Amos on Nine Inch Nails
see http://secunia.com/multiple_browsers_idn_spoofing_ test/
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Wow - you can use the command key on Windows?
Then please tell us all how to configure it so that the command modifier opens a menu item in a new tab as it does for a simple click.
And they also could have gone with a div and css based layout, rather than tables. They have a rendering engine that can handle it.
OMG. That looks as ugly as KDE, and possibly worse than Konqueror!
Have you hade a look at Epiphany for Gnome?
If you don't believe me, ask Zeldman, or read here.
Native widgets can be a mixed bag. I don't use Camino primarily because it uses native widgets for it's form elements (or some approximation thereof) and just like Safari, these widgets don't seem to be keyboard accessible. I've tried basically every browser available for the mac and in the end I keep end up in Mozilla because being able to set and toggle select boxes, radios, etc is a priceless feature and without it I feel handcuffed (fingercuffed?)
It seems that Camino's form elements are keyboard accessible; they just don't all consistently highlight visually to let you know that the keyboard focus is on the element.