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Draft Guidelines for Space Tourists

IZ Reloaded writes "Draft guidelines for space tourists have already been written in the United States." From the article: "A paying customer will now be able to fly into space once he has been informed and accepts the risks of space travel. There are several factors to take into account, depending on whether a passenger is taking a speedy "pop top," up-and-down, suborbital voyage, versus climbing onboard space machinery to roar off into orbit for an extended stay."

177 comments

  1. Fly me to the moon by bryan986 · · Score: 0

    Nothing like jumping around on a planet full of rock, sign me up!

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  2. U.S. Behind Russia? by bigtallmofo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Russia has had guidelines for their paying space tourists for a number of years:

    1. You must have a pulse (optional)
    2. Your check for $20,000,000 must clear before you launch whether you are a popstar or not.

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    1. Re:U.S. Behind Russia? by TheKidWho · · Score: 1

      Space is overrated anyways.

      I mean like whats there seriously... Ohh wait, when we start running low on oils and other hydrocarbons on Earth(the ones we use to manufacture plastics and other industrial goods), we got a nice big giant "Hydrocarbon Planet" named Titan to visit for all of our plastics need.

      Now to figure out how to get our ships to go at least .1c in a reasonable amount of time, VASIMR? Gas Dynamic Mirror Fusion? Or Fission Fragment Rocket? Or those lovely but slow Ion Drives?

    2. Re:U.S. Behind Russia? by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 1
      1. You must have a pulse (optional)

      I know you were probably joking, but:

      http://www.spacetoday.net/Summary/2475

      "Polonsky reportedly is in negotiations to fly at a bargain price of $8 million, reportedly because the seat opened up on short notice last month when Russian officials rejected American businessman Gregory Olsen on medical grounds."

      Incidentally, 'tourists' without a pulse are a perfectly legitimate business, there's been some launches for the space burial business.

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    3. Re:U.S. Behind Russia? by fvbommel · · Score: 1

      Ohh wait, when we start running low on oils and other hydrocarbons on Earth(the ones we use to manufacture plastics and other industrial goods)

      I think you forgot rocket fuel...

    4. Re:U.S. Behind Russia? by TheKidWho · · Score: 1

      ehh we arent going to be running low on hydrogen and oxygen anytime soon... At least I hope not.

    5. Re:U.S. Behind Russia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I mean like whats there seriously... Ohh wait, when we start running low on oils and other hydrocarbons on Earth(the ones we use to manufacture plastics and other industrial goods), we got a nice big giant "Hydrocarbon Planet" named Titan to visit for all of our plastics need.

      Plastics and other petroleum products can be synthesized using other sources of hydrocarbons. It is more complicated, energy intensive, of course more expensive; that is why petroleum is currently used. So when oil reserves are depleted there will still be plastics, but they won't be nearly as cheap as the are today.

      Maybe you didn't mean to, but you sound like an alarmist with this. Yes there will be huge problems as oil becomes scarce, but the disapearance of industrial polymers isn't one of them.

      Now to figure out how to get our ships to go at least .1c in a reasonable amount of time, VASIMR? Gas Dynamic Mirror Fusion? Or Fission Fragment Rocket? Or those lovely but slow Ion Drives?

      Theoretically, most of the propulsion systems you mentioned can get beyond .2*c, and in some cases up to even .5*c (I'm not very familiar with Gas Dynamic Mirror Fusion so I don't want to make claims on that one). However, none of the

      On thing about ion drives though, "slow" is somewhat of an misreprensentation. Their thrust is lower, but their Isp is so high that their "burns" can be days even weeks.

      A few years ago, I saw a comparision between the flight times of different hypothetical missions to Mars. Given the same payloads, the ion drive mission had a faster travel time, 3 to 4 months vs 6 for the chemical. The ion drives could actually attain a higher deltaV than the chemicals (even with gravity assist) because they can boost for much longer voyage.

      As far as interplanetary travel, unless something really unsual like warp engines or artifical wormholes becomes a reality, I would go with electrical propulsion. Specfically, large Holl-effect thrusters (similar ion drives, but using electro magnetic fields instead of charged grids that get worn away over time), with electrical generators in the megawatt range (nuclear or matter-antimatter generators). In engines like ion drives and Holl-effects, thrust scales with the potential difference you subject the charged particles of your exhaust to. Potentially, you can accelerate roughly half the distance. Then coast for a while, and reverse thrust to slow down enough to get to your destination.

      VASIMRs are interesting. However, their is quite abit of wear in the engines because technically the fuel is a shaped surface that is gradually ablated. Thus total time the engine can be run is limited. Holl-effects only need a supply of noble gases for fuel. Ion drives need both fuel and eventual replacement of grids, but these grids are far smaller and have far less mass than the cones of a VASIMR.

      Of course all of this is only tangential to the topic!

    6. Re:U.S. Behind Russia? by khallow · · Score: 1

      Why do we need to go .1c for most tasks in the solar system?

    7. Re:U.S. Behind Russia? by TheKidWho · · Score: 1

      ok, maybe .001c would be fine too. I just pulled the number out of my ass :-D

    8. Re:U.S. Behind Russia? by Gonoff · · Score: 1

      Or old car tyres!

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  3. Guideline by elgatozorbas · · Score: 3, Funny

    1) take enough clean underwear with you...

    1. Re:Guideline by fronthead · · Score: 4, Funny

      And don't forget your towel!

    2. Re:Guideline by Tekgno · · Score: 1, Funny

      Not just underwear, a towel must be a priority :P

    3. Re:Guideline by Tekgno · · Score: 0

      There is no ???

      Step 1) Steal underpants
      Step 2) Profit!

    4. Re:Guideline by HomerJayS · · Score: 1

      2) Keep barf-bag close-by.

    5. Re:Guideline by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 1

      >> Draft Guidelines for Space Tourists

      Guideline: If you're a space tourist, and you feel a draft, then Houston, there might be a problem.

    6. Re:Guideline by rob_squared · · Score: 0, Redundant

      DON'T PANIC!

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  4. classy by aendeuryu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For one, if you are in a critical crew position, your health problem could endanger the life of others. Secondly, on an orbital mission, your health problem could cause the mission director to have to make a difficult choice, Diamandis said, between your possible death or ending a billion dollar mission early, presuming that returning to Earth could save your life.

    Good to know the lawyers are getting a head start writing their closing arguments.

  5. Re:Diluting Insults by loon1x · · Score: 0

    Your momma is an astronaut is suddenly not so derogatory huh?

  6. Some SOUND advice... by nighty5 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Don't Fart.

    1. Re:Some SOUND advice... by scharkalvin · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      only KLINGONS fart in airlocks.

    2. Re:Some SOUND advice... by Doctor+Ian · · Score: 1

      But in space, nobody can hear you...

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    3. Re:Some SOUND advice... by mforbes · · Score: 0

      Right. Vogons write poetry in airlocks.

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  7. Guideline Number 1: by lottameez · · Score: 0

    Take the metal tab and insert it into the buckle. Pull tightly across your waste.

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    1. Re:Guideline Number 1: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Take the metal tab and insert it into the buckle. Pull tightly across your waste.

      That's a good idea. You don't want shit flying around once you're in free fall. :P

    2. Re:Guideline Number 1: by lottameez · · Score: 1

      er, waist. (waste is covered in later guidelines).

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    3. Re:Guideline Number 1: by dr_dank · · Score: 1

      "Excuse me! Yes, right over here. Did I hear you correctly? Place the metal flap and insert it into the buckle? or wrap the metal end around the buckle? I'm a simple man. I possess neither an engineering degree nor am I mechanically inclined. Now please continue with your wonderful safety lecture."

      -George Carlin

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  8. Passenger Licenses? by Tekgno · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What would be the best way to manage the medical requirements for travel?

    Would a sort of license work? This would save being rechecked for frequent flights.

    Wake me in a few years, until then, I'm going back to playing EVE online.

    1. Re:Passenger Licenses? by TheKidWho · · Score: 1

      The best way would most likely be to have a Doctor of sorts, or at least someone who is well qualified on the ISS doing research. When an emergency comes, bam the doctor is there to save the day.

      EVE hah! *TheKidWho swings his nerfbat of doom doing infinite damage to Tekgno*
      *Tekgno's megapulse laser strikes TheKidWho's Imperial nerfbat thingie healing for 3000"

    2. Re:Passenger Licenses? by igrp · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Would a sort of license work? This would save being rechecked for frequent flights.

      To be honest, I don't quite see why would should impose any licensing restrictions for passengers.

      I mean we don't require a people to be certified to drive a race car - you don't even need a driver's license to do so. And you can certainly injure or kill yourself in a race car. And even when there are restrictions on who can perform a given sport (eg. you need a certification to go scuba diving in most places), that's usually a self-imposed rule. As far as I know, there is nothing illegal about scuba diving without such a certification (I could very well be wrong though).

      Requiring mandatory medical check ups for crew members - sure, I'm all for that. But if you're a passenger and you decide you want to shell out the money for a space flight, even though you're not really in good shape, then, well, that's your problem. As long as you understand what you're getting yourself into (and I'm quite sure they will make your sign a waiver), I don't see why the state or the federal government should get involved in that.

      Look at it this way: if I'm an 80-year-old guy with a heart problem, I probably shouldn't ride any rollercoasters. But the government certainly isn't stepping in to prevent me from doing it (yet).

    3. Re:Passenger Licenses? by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      EVE-Online?

      Sounds intresting. Whatisit? Link?

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    4. Re:Passenger Licenses? by Tekgno · · Score: 1

      Right. License was pretty poor wording on my behalf, certification is better.
      I wasn't exactly referring to a need for this, just that it could assist in removing some overhead for the companies involved in providing such services.

    5. Re:Passenger Licenses? by TheKidWho · · Score: 1

      www.eve-online.com

      its a MMORPG with all the juicy capitalism and pirating your heart can handle! (seriously its fun as hell)

    6. Re:Passenger Licenses? by disposable60 · · Score: 2, Informative

      we don't require a people to be certified to drive a race car
      Yes we do - at least for organized races in the US. The SCCA, NASCAR, CART/IRL, NHRA and AHRA all take licensing and qualification (and safety inspections) very seriously. I heard this one story about a racecar builder who got out of a major speeding ticket by, when the cop asked see his racing license, produced one.

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    7. Re:Passenger Licenses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For SCUBA -

      If you don't have a cert to dive in a particular setting, dive guides won't even let you touch their boats. They don't have to help you snuff it.

      But there's nothing illegal about getting your own equipment, taking your own boat out to a site, and dying on a wreck dive. It's just that the certs are a way for others to avoid being complicit in your suicide.

      [generic 'you', btw]

    8. Re:Passenger Licenses? by Fjornir · · Score: 2, Informative
      As far as I know, there is nothing illegal about scuba diving without such a certification (I could very well be wrong though).

      In my state I'm pretty sure that although it is legal to dive without a cert, no dive shop will fill your tanks -- too much liability risk?

      But really there's no reason not to get a scuba certification if you want to dive. They're cheap, not time consuming, and offer incredible value for the money. Note: the PADI Open Water Diver certification is, in the words of my instructor, a "learner's permit". My instructor made me promise to get the AOWD at an absolute minimum if I want to continue diving.

      It's a lot of fun. My dive certification was definately the coolest class I've ever taken. Even if you don't count the practical which, by the way, was fucking awesome. :) I'm starting up my AOWD cert really soon, after which I'll take my Rescue Diver and then probably stop. I've got no practical need for a pro cert like Divemaster and I am very unlikely to dive anywhere I'll need the MSD cert.

      And to anyone who thinks they can skip out on training: how deep can you go? how long can you safely stay down there? does your insurance cover decompression sickness? do you know that Divers Down only carries certified divers?

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    9. Re:Passenger Licenses? by Illserve · · Score: 1

      There's a huge difference between the involvement of a passenger in a spaceship and a diver in SCUBA gear.

      The appropriate analogy here is flying on an airplane, not scuba diving.

    10. Re:Passenger Licenses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could give less of a shit what you think is an appropriate analogy. The OP mentioned SCUBA and certs, and I was talking to him. Not to you. Not to the article.

      So slap that up your ass and STFU.

    11. Re:Passenger Licenses? by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      Yes, but if there is a medical emergency you can take an emergency landing and reroute passengers at a cost of about half a million or so. Its simply not possible on an orbital flight, and if you have to your scrub the mission your going to be loosing a whole lot more money. Honestly commerical spaceflight companies are going to understand this risk and not take risky fliers. But they will probably appeciate the government backing on this one as it keeps them from being sued by risky passengers who feel they are being descriminated against.

    12. Re:Passenger Licenses? by Illserve · · Score: 1

      Boy, having a SCUBA hobby has really mellowed you out.

    13. Re:Passenger Licenses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sit there and type things that I'm sure you think are poignant and highly interesting, but your posts contain the same usefulness of someone farting in a small room.

      I suggest IRC instead. You'd probably like it there.

    14. Re:Passenger Licenses? by tgd · · Score: 1

      I've known several people, first hand, who had that happen. Its even easier if the car is decked out with SCCA numbers and sponsor decals.

      Its a *big* deal getting licensed by any of those organizations.

      Safety inspections are similar. The inspections I have to have on my car to get on a track are FAR more detailed than a state inspection... getting my inspection sticker from the state is easy -- drive up, the wrench at the inspection station takes one look at the car, and asks me to drive it into the bay for him, checks the lights and gives me my sticker.

  9. Money by CypherXero · · Score: 1

    ..A paying customer..

    Unless space travel gets REALLY cheap, I don't think anyone but the wealthy will be able to actually go into space.

    Most people can barely afford house notes, car notes, insurance, etc...

    1. Re:Money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Unless space travel gets REALLY cheap, I don't think anyone but the wealthy will be able to actually go into space.

      Wow, you are smart.

    2. Re:Money by FlexAgain · · Score: 1

      Unless space travel gets REALLY cheap, I don't think anyone but the wealthy will be able to actually go into space.

      You may have noticed a little project called SpaceShipOne, and Richard Branson's company Virgin Galactic. They got quite a bit of coverage a few months back (and in the real press as well, not just on here).

      There intent (at least in part) is to make it really cheap.

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    3. Re:Money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not necasarily, I know some people that would be willing to blow everything they have for a chance go into space.

    4. Re:Money by bcattwoo · · Score: 1
      It is all relative though. Compared to a billion dollars (or whatever the number is) for one shuttle launch, a million dollars for an orbit or two would be cheap.

      I had to laugh when I saw a poster state recently that, though he wasn't rich, he would be willing to spend thousands to get into orbit and even tens of thousands to go to the moon someday. Apparently he never looked into how much it would cost to fly around the world in a conventional airplane, or even across the Atlantic in the now defunct Concorde. Obviously there is a wide range of interpretations of the word cheap.

      By the way, although it probably wouldn't cost millions to go up on SpaceShipOne, going to fully orbital flights is going to require quite a step up in sophistication and hence cost of the flights.

    5. Re:Money by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
      They'll have a sign at the entrance: "You must be this rich to get on this ride."

      I'm not sure how they'll represent the this. Perhaps fractional parts of Bill Gates? "You must be Bill Gates' Big Toe rich to get on this ride."

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    6. Re:Money by tomhudson · · Score: 0
      A skyhook could make it come down several orders of magnitude from the cost of a rocket.

      Given that skyhooks could actually also generate extra income by tapping the electrical difference between the ground and their top, a simple up-and-down could eventually end up cheaper than a trans-atlantic trip.

    7. Re:Money by GSAlien · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The same was the case when aeroplanes first came on the scene. The people who could not afford to fly (who were in the vast majority) simply were religated to much cheaper forms of transportations such as buses and trains. The same will happen here. As technology gets refined and more companies are competing in the marketplace, things will get cheaper.

    8. Re:Money by Rei · · Score: 1

      The physics don't work out. First off, skyhooks (as opposed to space elevators) rotate. While the further down you go, the slower their effective rotation compared to the atmosphere, the total drag is still staggering, and could never be compensated by electromagnetic propulsion. Serious skyhook designs for planets with atmospheres don't involve the hooks touching down. Secondly, unless your skyhook is a superconductor, you'll get little charge; there's just too much resistance.

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    9. Re:Money by Rei · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you, but I don't have a spare 100,000$ (their ultimate target price) lying around for a mere 3 minutes of weightlessness and a good view. I'd hardly call that 'really cheap'.

      I can't picture why your average person would want to pay that kind of money for such a short trip (short because SS1's design is unscalable due to its relatively high tank mass and inherently low ISP, and only gets a tiny fraction of orbital delta-V, thus not having to deal with most of the serious engineering problems)

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    10. Re:Money by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      First off, skyhooks (as opposed to space elevators) rotate
      Space elevators ARE skyhooks http://www.frc.ri.cmu.edu/~hpm/project.archive/197 6.skyhook/1982.articles/elevate.800322,
      Two major types of earth orbital cable (sometimes called skyhook) have been investigated in the literature. The simplest, but also largest, has a filament dropped to the surface from synchronous orbit, counterbalanced by one extending outwards.
      ... so not all skyhooks rotate vis. the surface.
      ... and could never be compensated by electromagnetic propulsion
      I was referring to the use of linear electric motors for climbing/descending, though other types would also work.
    11. Re:Money by Rei · · Score: 1

      Linear electric motors are weaker than the power expected from electromagnetic propulsion. And if you meant space elevator, why not simply say it?

      I have a python script that will run the numbers for the drag on a rotavator, if you'd like to see it. It gets staggering, fast, if you dip even into the upper atmosphere. Entering the troposphere is right-out.

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    12. Re:Money by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      The drag would be SO high that I don't see why people don't realize this instinctively. Then there's the heating effects ...

      What WOULD be cool would be a way to "lob" a payload to the height required such that, even if it ended up with zero relative motion at the end, you could "snag" it, and pull it the rest of the way up.

      Unfortunately, maybe the laws of physics are the real reason for the Fermi paradox. There may be others out there, but "you can't get there from here".

    13. Re:Money by Rei · · Score: 1

      Now that actually is doable. And in fact, NASA is working on a new tether experiment as we speak to implement a small-scale magnetodynamic tether to test out the whole process. I submitted an article to Slashdot a couple months ago, and it was really interesting, but for some reason they rejected it, and now I can't find it.

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    14. Re:Money by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      and it was really interesting, but for some reason they rejected it
      if you do find it, re-submit it. It has less chance of being accepted, because it's NOT a dupe, but you never know ...
  10. Research boon by FidelCatsro · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I can strongly imagine that a major beneficiary of said services will be the Universitys and privately funded research projects .
    Once this has properly taken off (bad pun) with regular orbit or sub orbital flights, the benefits of having cheap reqular orbital research opertunitys is grand for smaller projects who could not afford to pay for time on one of the NASA missions or simmilar.
    This could herald in a new era in more than just rich recreation , if this is as sucesful as i can only imagine it will be , then im sure we will now begin to progress at a far greater rate in these areas.

    ps: this joke just writes itself here on slashdot "virgins in space "
    That was quickly followed by Sir Richard Branson, owner of Virgin Airlines, taking the wraps off Virgin Galactic. He plans to fly patrons into suborbital space within the next two or three years aboard a fleet of five passenger spaceships now under design by Scaled Composites. In licensing SpaceShipOne's technology, Branson wants to build the world's first private spaceship to go into commercial operating service.
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    1. Re:Research boon by helioquake · · Score: 1

      This is a well written comment; worthy of 5+ insightful wihtout that "virgins in space" stuff!

      Space tourism is reality today and this guideline means well for our safety. Just like a guideline for you to jump off a plane for skydiving. A ship for the space tourism basically exists; as for the research use (launching another satellite into sub-orbital or orbital trajectory), I think it is not implausible to view someday that all the small missions being canceled by NASA today can be done cheaply with private rockets and orbital systems.

      What a cool world we live in.

    2. Re:Research boon by StupendousMan · · Score: 2, Informative
      There are already relatively cheap launch vehicles for sub-orbital and orbital missions. Orbital Sciences Corporation offers several vehicles; the Pegasus places a payload in LEO for about $30 million. Eurockot (no, that's not a typo) uses Russian SS-19 ballistic missiles to send objects into LEO; the Canadian MOST satellite, for example. In the near future, the SpaceX Corp. will offer vehicles with launch costs between $6 and $20 million.

      For sub-orbital flights, NASA (and others) offer sounding rockets for just a few hundred thousand dollars per flight.

      University researchers already have a number of options. The astronomical research (in which I am involved) will certainly NOT be helped by adding a human to the payload, so this news story is irrelevant to us.

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    3. Re:Research boon by FidelCatsro · · Score: 1

      Heehee i do apoligise about the Virgins in space joke but Ive been on a Mel Brooks marathon past couple of days and since its easter holidays here that has been backed up with liquer .

      It would be grand to let space tourism become as easy as air travel , however let us hope off bat we get this right and dont let it become the nightmare that airports are in this day and age.
      Im a sci-fi geek and i really cant wait till the day we can get our own Space ships , kind of brings out the kid in me ( and the legos to design one*cough*).

      Ah its a nice day when this comes closer to reality for those of us who forget to exercise because we were sitting writting shell scripts

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    4. Re:Research boon by FidelCatsro · · Score: 1

      True enough for larger projects , however i was more thinking the far smaller scale research projects such as product development and small scale materials research , projects with budgets well under 1,000,000 for these types of endevours.
      (other post gave me a good laugh , lets keep it quiet incase any mods notice it though)

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  11. Safety vs. Privacy? by PornMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It'll be interesting to see how far the operators will go when performing the physical. Imagine the liability implications if they send a pregnant woman up into orbit and she later has a child with birth defects...

    1. Re:Safety vs. Privacy? by TheKidWho · · Score: 0

      No birth defects, the child will just be a newtype.

    2. Re:Safety vs. Privacy? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure they won't be sending any pregnant women into space until the building of a space elevator or the development of a nuclear-powered rocket that can take off and land on its own thrust, and at low G forces. As for the physical, I would assume that they will want to perform some tests themselves and in general make sure that people are in decent health, aren't carrying easily communicable diseases which are all the more likely to be spread in a small volume, and so on.

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  12. Please Keep: by raynet11 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Notice you must be at least 4ft 5in tall to ride. 1. Please keep your arms and legs in the vehical at all times 2. There is no eating, drinknig , or smoking while the ride is in operation. 3. Remain seated until the ride has come to a complete stop. 4. Exit to the left, thank you for riding space mountain.

    1. Re:Please Keep: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      And most importantly, "No flash photography".

    2. Re:Please Keep: by sharkey · · Score: 2

      5. The enemy's door is DOWN.

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    3. Re:Please Keep: by rapett0 · · Score: 1

      - Do not feed SpaceShipOne.

  13. What is "space," anyway? by fronthead · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Doesn't it seem a little bit pointless to just do one of those "pop top" flights into "space" since "space" is kind of an arbitrary thing? I would think it kind of an expensive indulgence just for some dubious bragging rights. Orbit I can understand; really really high and back down, not so much.

    1. Re:What is "space," anyway? by Anonymous+Luddite · · Score: 2, Insightful


      Yeah. I so don't get this. If it was an actual space flight I might understand.

      1. Empty your bank account - this ain't gonna be cheap.
      2. Get fired up to an arbitrary height like so much luggage.
      3. ????
      4. Proudly tell the world "I'm an astronaut!"
      5. No profit step, sorry. (see #1)

    2. Re:What is "space," anyway? by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I know a lot of people who go holidaying in all kinds of exotic locations. What do they do there? Exactly what they'd do somewhere closer to home - sit on a beach.

      I think there are plenty of people who just want it for the bragging rights.

    3. Re:What is "space," anyway? by TheKidWho · · Score: 3, Interesting

      AFAIK Virgin galactic will be taking people up to 140km+ and they will be in freefall for approximately 4-6minutes. It would be rather fun, and its a way of investing in Virgin Galactic so that someday they could send people 400km+ into space for a full orbit, Or maybe even get people to and from one of the Bigelow Aerospace Hotels.

      Start small, and get bigger.

    4. Re:What is "space," anyway? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      well.. you see earth from very high up.
      some people would pay for just that.

      not me though. I'd rather pay a fast car with the money and go to a track day and trash it or something.

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    5. Re:What is "space," anyway? by verus+vorago · · Score: 1

      Seeing the curvature of the Earth would be pretty cool - I'd pay a few dollars to see that.

    6. Re:What is "space," anyway? by shimmin · · Score: 1

      Heck, if it's just a good look down you want to experience, high altitude ballooning would involve substantially less captial outlay, take you almost as high, and let you look down for substantially longer.

    7. Re:What is "space," anyway? by fbjon · · Score: 1

      Certainly the only curves a lonely male slashdotter can hope for.

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    8. Re:What is "space," anyway? by Obfiscator · · Score: 1

      I don't think I would. We've seen it often enough in movies, pictures, television shows, etc. that I don't think it would be all that interesting. I think an IMAX movie showing it would be more spectacular than sitting in a confined space and looking out a tiny window.

      This is just my opinion, though. I'd also rather drive across the country rather than fly, because I get to see more things up close, interact with more people, and generally have more freedom to do what I want. Same reason I prefer to walk across national parks instead of driving through them.

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    9. Re:What is "space," anyway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But there's a difference: the scenery. Would you be just as happy taking a vacation to the Georgia coast as going to Hawaii?

      But an up-and-down flight would be pretty boring. For one, it only lasts a few minutes. And what's there to see there? I guess the sky would get less blue and more black on the way up, and vice versa on the way down. You could see some stars during the daytime. That's about it. Booor-iiing.

    10. Re:What is "space," anyway? by verus+vorago · · Score: 1

      When I was in Peru I saw the Nasca Lines from a four seater plane and it beat the hell out of seeing them on TV. I've never seen them on IMAX but I think I'd still rather actually be there.

      I see the "space" trip in the same way - I'd rather be there and experience the whole thing than sit in a theatre with a box of popcorn.

      Each to their own I guess.

  14. Ah the land of free.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ..wants to take over space too eh?

    Anyway the rules:

    Rule 1: Please don't take photographs of the spy satellites.
    Rule 2: No one is to visit the moon landing place, until NASA checks out the first flight to there.
    Rule 3: There will be no sex in space thanks.
    Rule 4: All taxes must be fully paid before departing.
    Rule 5: No snack food is to be released into zero G.
    Rule 6: No smoking near the hydrogen gas.
    Rule 7: Intoxicated individuals will be flushed out the airlock.
    Rule 8: Please shake carefully when using the toliet facilities
    Rule 9: Any use of the Klingon language will result in a severe beating
    Rule 10: One way tickets shall no be sold, even to cult members.

    1. Re:Ah the land of free.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It seems to me that you are bashing the USA with that post.

      Maybe you didn't know Richard Branson and Virgin Galactic are BRITISH, you insensitive CLOD!

    2. Re:Ah the land of free.. by istewart · · Score: 1
      Rule 9: Any use of the Klingon language will result in a severe beating


      Especially if any real Klingons are encountered.
    3. Re:Ah the land of free.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rule 3: There will be no sex in space thanks.
      Pfft. I think you'll find that (outside the Slashdot crowd) the '100 mile high club' is a major reason for space tourism.

  15. Rulebook already written by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's called The Cold Equations by Tom Godwin.

    In case you don't care to RTFRulebook, it can be synopsized as follows: The Universe doesn't care, physics dictate survival or death.

  16. One questions remains by Nevtje(hr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Which country would the guidelines be tied to by law? The country that launched the spacecraft, or some "Internation space law"?

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    1. Re:One questions remains by Drantin · · Score: 1

      Go read Robert Heinlein's "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"...

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  17. Useful phrases for space tourists. by argent · · Score: 1, Funny

    "Me ihmiset emme regeneroidu."

    "Hvor er det naermeste taenkende pattedyr?"

    "Det her er min kammerat, ikke drikkepenge."

    "Ceci ne peut pas être ma chambre, puisque je ne respire pas de l'ammoniac."

    "Tjener, denne ret er stadig levende."

    "ore no hovercraft ha unagi de ippai."

    (apologies to Joanna Russ)

    1. Re:Useful phrases for space tourists. by tomjen · · Score: 0

      "Tjener, denne ret er stadig levende."

      There is going to be a waiter in space?

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    2. Re:Useful phrases for space tourists. by argent · · Score: 1

      There is going to be a waiter in space?

      If Space Tourism gets off the ground, there's going to be waiters and busboys and skycaps and the annoying guy who wants a tip because he touched your bags when you carried them into the hotel.

      Useful Phrases for the Space Tourist, in many languages.

    3. Re:Useful phrases for space tourists. by shanen · · Score: 1

      Okay, I give up. I can't recognize any of these except for the last one, which in somewhat rude Japanese says "My hovercraft is full of eels." The third one is probably German, and the fourth is almost surely French. I can sort of guess it's saying something about a small room full of ammonia?

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  18. EASY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Take any medical disclaimer form and replace the medical terms with space terms.

    You may die. This procedure could kill you. We may break your teeth. We may destroy or remove the wrong organ. The doctor may have to take a crap and distracted by /. on his PDA while in the WC may forget you exist. By signing here you waive our liability.

    1. Re:EASY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot one. The surgeon may need to make a trip to the bank to deposit his paycheck during your surgery. (That really happened to someone during a six-hour orthopedic surgery.)

  19. get bent? by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why is it now "officially" allowed. Last time I checked the US was NOT the world and no one but them has to stick to any rules they make unless supported by an international agreement or group.

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    1. Re:get bent? by Chess_the_cat · · Score: 1

      Where in the article does it say that it was Congress' intention to apply these guidelines to anyone other than Americans?

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    2. Re:get bent? by Tekgno · · Score: 1

      The launch needs to be taken place somewhere, I assume that these regulations are to cover craft leaving from American soil or those belonging to companies registered in the US.

    3. Re:get bent? by verus+vorago · · Score: 1

      All ships and aircraft are registered in a particular jurisdiction which impacts on the law when in international waters or airspace. It may even be relevant when the craft is physically in another jurisdiction (where both sets of regulations could apply) - not sure about that though and IANAL.

      I don't see any reason why the US can't institute regulations in the very similar situation of space craft registered in the USA.

    4. Re:get bent? by jonored · · Score: 1

      Actually, if I remember correctly, national airspaces stop at some particular height up - otherwise, orbit would be a massive legal headache.
      And it is, of course, perfectly reasonable for a given country to impose restrictions on companies while on their turf - for instance, pre-launch - and while in their airspace - like most of the launch.
      I can see international law having a say, I can also see there being no particular jurisdiction in space. But in any case, regulation on who can go is applicable on the ground and during launch, and so is perfectly reasonable.

    5. Re:get bent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can see international law having a say, I can also see there being no particular jurisdiction in space. But in any case, regulation on who can go is applicable on the ground and during launch, and so is perfectly reasonable.

      You are forgetting one possiblly applicable preceadent. Cruise and other passenger ships often have regulations that technically pertain to the ships condition and activities in international waters. If the ships don't meet those standards they can't be registered under that nation's flag. Most countries recongize each-other's ship registries, even though there are usually differences in their requirements (like out-of-state drivers licences). However, discerning passengers can look up the registery of their ship (if the cruise line isn't forth-comming about ship registries it is usually a warning sign!) and use that information as part of their decision-making process.

      I can see something similar happening if space tourism ever becomes available to more than the very rich. So a company that launches from a country with overly lax or non-existant regulations may be stigmatized.

    6. Re:get bent? by jahknow · · Score: 1

      We (my country of birth and choice, the USA) didn't need any stinkin' international agreement or group to condone us going to making a new set of rules for the state of Iraq. That said, Iraqis remain free to do whatever they can get away with.

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  20. Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "A paying customer will now be able to fly into space once he has been informed and accepts the risks of space travel. " What? Women don't have to pay or they're not allowed?

    1. Re:Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
      Women don't have to pay or they're not allowed?

      Men of any sex are allowed to fly into space.

      All passengers mush show a penis (attached or detached) to board the aircraft.

  21. Hmmm by Bad+to+the+Ben · · Score: 4, Funny

    I wonder what the inflight movie will be? How bout "Apollo 13"?

    1. Re:Hmmm by will_die · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Airplane 2" of course.

    2. Re:Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's my understanding, and I may be wrong, that American-based airlines (eg United, American, Continental, etc.) will avoid showing an in-flight movie if it refers to an airplane crash and may edit the film to remove the footage.

      I just read an article where an editor was talking about the editing done on the last James Bond movie which features a fight on a crashing airplane. The editors mention that they removed a lot of damage to the airplane and completely cut the scene where the plane crashed.

      Now, this is done by the airlines. There's no government regulation about it. But you can bet that if United starts passenger service to the space station, you won't be seeing Apollo 13...

  22. No but I... by raynet11 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Flight Eng: System failure level 2 switching to main aux for overide.
    Passenger: No its just a faulty sensor , shutdown tank three no overide needed.
    Flight Eng: Are you sure?
    Passenger: Yes proceed with the shutdown.
    Flight Eng: Check , shutting down tank three
    Whew, they didn't tell us you were an AE
    Passenger: I'm not , but I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night..

    1. Re:No but I... by hotbutteredhtml · · Score: 0

      Great, I just blew coffee out my nose all over my keyboard!

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    2. Re:No but I... by Brutulf · · Score: 0

      Sorry, I don't get it. Would you be so kind as to supply an explanation?

    3. Re:No but I... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Find a holiday inn express commercial and you will get it. Sending someone to see a commercial is dirty, but explaining commercials to someone is a really painful waste of time.

      --
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    4. Re:No but I... by plenTpak · · Score: 1

      here's a link to one of their commercials. and a link to a somewhat silly review here.

  23. How much oil? by sonamchauhan · · Score: 1

    Any information on how much fossil fuel a suborbital shots will burn per passenger?

    1. Re:How much oil? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny
      Any information on how much fossil fuel a suborbital shots will burn per passenger?
      About as much as the new Lincoln Navigator.
    2. Re:How much oil? by brontus3927 · · Score: 1

      Last I checked, hydrogen and oxygen aren't fossil fuels.

    3. Re:How much oil? by sonamchauhan · · Score: 1

      hydrogen essentially currently is.

  24. A Draft? by s7uar7 · · Score: 1

    I knew the army were desperate, but I didn't know they were having problems finding astronauts

  25. Re:What happens when... by TheKidWho · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    The real question is, what would happen if someone took a dump outside on the space elevator. And the answer dum dum dum is you would have lots of poop in an orbit around the earth. Maybe someday we will have a ring of poop surrounding the earth preventing future space travel from ever happening.

  26. Fool! You forgot the most useful phrase! by bloxnet · · Score: 1, Funny

    "Bah weep granah weep ninni bong"

    1. Re:Fool! You forgot the most useful phrase! by argent · · Score: 1, Funny

      I think you misspelled "Klaatu barada nikto."

  27. Death by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I really hope this doesn't all get shut down prematurely after the first person dies. I mean, I don't mean to be a Negative Nancy, but when this is first getting off the ground (no pun intended), there WILL be deaths, and they most likely will be very gruesome (think explosion, suffocation, or decompression).

    This is one time though that I hope the lawyers DO get heavily involved just so that one lawsuit doesn't bring this whole fledgling industry down in one fell swoop.

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    1. Re:Death by HomerJayS · · Score: 1

      If the small aircraft manufacturing industry is any indicator, the odds are not good for the industry surviving much past the first fatality.

  28. Race Car licences ARE required. by jimbro2k · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The (US) government does not (YET) require licences for race cars [thanks for bringing this oversight to our attention], but the various racing associations (Formula One, NASCAR) certainly do.

    That being said, I certainly agree with the rest of your comments. The trouble is, your comments are reasonable and thoughtful, governments rarely so.

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    1. Re:Race Car licences ARE required. by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 1

      Actually the FIA is who issues the "Superlicences" for Formula 1 and the other internationally sanctioned events(WRC, etc).

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  29. Don't panic! by kkumer · · Score: 3, Funny

    I just hope they've put "Don't Panic!" in a large friendly letters on a cover.

  30. First Volunteer by IdJit · · Score: 0

    I'm sure this guy would just loooove to sign up for the test run.

    1. Re:First Volunteer by antispam_ben · · Score: 1

      I'm sure this guy [pixyland.org] would just loooove to sign up for the test run.

      OMG, I've seen that before. Let's send him, er, it!

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    2. Re:First Volunteer by speedbump · · Score: 1

      Aaaaahhhhh! Please put a warning label before you post something like that!

      Must...wash...eyeballs...

  31. Please Keep "Draft" Out of Headlines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    I know President Bush says the draft isn't going to happen, that it is just Rumors on the Internets... but nothing makes this pasty, unathletic geek panic more than hitting slashdot and seeing "Draft Guidelines for" ***PANIC MODE*** "Space Tourists" *Sigh of Relief*

    So thank you for the Monday morning fright, Slashdot. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to change my pants.

  32. Sorry, correct link to SpaceX Corp is... by StupendousMan · · Score: 1

    http://spacex.com. Sorry about that.

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    1. Re:Sorry, correct link to SpaceX Corp is... by helioquake · · Score: 0

      There is a room to cut the launch cost per gram further. Competitions between private organizations can drive the price down, while improving the quality as well (we lost one payload with Pegasus; I'm rather biased about that darn thing). That is what I am advocating here. I understand that the Scaled Composite currently do not have a plan to launch an orbital payload system from its space ship; but I would be interested in getting them involved in that.

    2. Re:Sorry, correct link to SpaceX Corp is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what a dumb mod. wasting his mod point on the innocuous stuff like that.

  33. A Funny? by Bonhamme+Richard · · Score: 0

    Most astronauts are Air Force...

    1. Re:A Funny? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most astronauts are Air Force...

      Others are from the Navy, but there have been a few from the Army as well. See here: http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/index.html

      However, if I recall correctly all NASA astronauts are civilians. Those with military backgrounds are either inactive or have mustered-out.

  34. "A paying customer will now be able to fly into sp by mwood · · Score: 0

    What was preventing us doing that before?

  35. In the wider context of Adventure Tourism by the+packrat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder whether this was put together taking into account the recent, varyingly successful, lawsuits against earth-bound adventure tourism operators who provided white water rafting and rock climbing and who, despite all the no-liability clauses in their paperwork, manage to surprise the world by killing their customers periodically?

    Given that at least some of those lawsuits were successful (if memory serves), one wonders how much value escape-from-liability contracts really have, unless the US signs a bill similar to the no-lawsuits-of-fast-food-providers into law. Even then, they'd still be taunted by various international courts.

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  36. how much reamains survive crash by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Given we've had two space shuttle crashes and all 14 bodies were eventually recovered, how much much of the bodies survived to be worred about clean underwear? No details were given, respecting family privacy.

  37. Alien (and other necessary guidelines) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They'll show Alien, of course. Which leads to the Arthur C. Clarke rule:

    Rule #7: In case of dire emergency, do not go back for the ships cat.

    The second most necessary rule for space tourists is:

    Rule #2: Do not put used prophylactics or feminine sanitary products in the bodily waste recycling unit.

    Rule #1 involves not removing barriers between ones lungs and hard vacuum, but my creative spark is dwindling in direct proportion to my blood caffiene level, so I'll leave the phrasing to another.

  38. Re:D'oh by toggles · · Score: 2, Insightful

    though if you crack the window it would be gone pretty quick...

  39. Security Rule #1 by IdJit · · Score: 1

    Do not look at or take photos of baby Sputnik.

  40. Men of any sex? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Men of either gender can fly? I like that!

  41. Is USA the only "land of the free" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if this was indeed USA bashing.

  42. Parent == Flamebait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is anti-US sentiment marked as Interesting, not Flamebait? Surely a country can enact regulations in thier own land, as all the other replies indicate. I believe this is only "Interesting" to the small minded with prejudices against the US.

  43. Re:"A paying customer will now be able to fly into by brontus3927 · · Score: 1

    Regulations. Flying (whether a plane or a space ship) is regulated. The higher you go, the more regulations are in place. If your launching a sattelite in the US, building it is the easy part. Getting all the permits can take years. This law is designed to give space tourism a grace period before the FAA can go in and regulate it to death.

  44. Translations by SimonShine · · Score: 1

    "Have you hugged your wolf today?"

    "Where is the nearest thinking mammal?"

    "This in my buddy, not tips."

    "Have you hugged your wolf today?"

    "Waiter, this dish is still alive."

    "My hovercraft is full of eels."

    I have a feeling they all originate from this page of confusingly sorted quotes. If aliens should look at you with an odd expression in their face, don't panic!

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  45. All Aboard by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Do they require disclosure that the trip is "one way"? If not, I've got a list of "tourists" I'd like to sponsor.

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  46. ObBloomCounty by sharkey · · Score: 1
    Rule 7: Intoxicated individuals will be flushed out the airlock.

    In space, it's never "Miller Time".

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  47. OT: Your sig by sconeu · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Support the First Amendment. Read at -1

    Wrong. The First Amendment guarantees you the right to speech. It doesn't guarantee you the right to an audience. You can still say whatever the heck you want, even if it's modded -1. I can freely choose not to read it (also -- by extension -- the First Amendment: Freedom of Association).

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  48. Yes, GrandParent is Flamebait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Just look at the Replies (especially the replies beneath your current threshold), and you can see that this anti-US sentiment baited a lot of replies.

    Insightful? right!

  49. Updated Guidlines Posted by RagingChipmunk · · Score: 1

    The Guidelines will be revised per the US Transportation Safety Agency. All applicants must submit to a comprehensive security check and vetting process. This will ensure space travel remains free and open to all compliant Americans.

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  50. Re:"A paying customer will now be able to fly into by mwood · · Score: 1

    I think I see my answer between the lines. I had a brief vision of xCFRy paragraph z: "no citizen may fly into space as a paying customer", right next to the one forbidding me to allow monkeys to fly out of my nose. But the actual regulation regulates what a licensed operator can do for hire, no? That I can believe. So, my guess is that I always did have (by omission) the right to hire someone to take me into space, but nobody was allowed to accept the deal.

  51. What if by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    What if they were writting rules for flying an X-Wing? "Passengers must be able to do in-flight repairs and also must always say beep-beep"

    I think another burocrate has justified his/her existence.

    1. Re:What if by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think another burocrate has justified his/her existence.

      While yet another public educator is now forced to attempt to justify their own existence.

  52. Re:first post? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, now clean your underwear out before it leaves a yellow stain.

  53. Huh? by tgd · · Score: 1

    What race organization doesn't have strict licensing and certification requirements?

    I can't think of one. SCCA certainly does, as does PCA and all the other club-level organizations I know of. FIA certainly does. NASCAR does. I don't know, but I have to assume CART does as well.

    Seriously... car racing is probably one of the most strictly restricted sports out there... not only do you need the appropriate credentials, you have to meet minimum race requirements to keep your certification.

  54. I don't know about that. . . by Excen · · Score: 1

    Getting flashed in space doesn't sound like a bad thing to me. . .

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  55. Corollary by serutan · · Score: 1

    You should have gone before liftoff.

  56. No mention of Space Elevator passengers by serutan · · Score: 1

    This weekend at NorWesCon I attended some presentations by LiftPort, the company that plans to implement a space elevator as envisioned by Arthur C. Clarke. The electric elevator, receiving power from ground based lasers, would climb up a ribbon made of carbon nanotubes anchored between an ocean platform and a space station. Their goal is to have it operational by 2018. As far-fetched as that idea seems, I found their presentations very intriguing. The small scale climber prototype they demo'd was pretty cool too, repeatedly running up and down a 4-story strip of sheetrock tape in the rain.

    The technology to manufacture the carbon nanotube ribbon in arbitrarily long lengths is coming along too. From 15 nm 4 years ago to 4 cm today. After another similar leap in scale they will be up to 1 km, at which time I bet they'll be able to make them as long as them want.

    To make money while the nanotube technology evolves, they plan to use their climber robots to service helium balloons anchored high above cities to provide WiFi and other services. The main reason permanent balloons aren't already being used for this purpose is that the helium leaks out in a matter of months. With a robot carrying spare helium tanks up the tether once in a while it would be viable.

    Good stuff! The elevator will take about 5 hours to climb to low earth orbit at a leisurely 125 mph or so, and a week to get to geostationary. I'd much prefer a comfortable passenger lounge to riding a giant bomb into orbit.

  57. Hasn't anyone posted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The zero-g toilet instructions from 2001?