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Loophole found in Internet Domain Naming
kyndig writes "Just what is the 'spirit of internet naming?' ICANN can tell you, as they are the naming experts. In a recent CNN article, ICANN states EnCirca Domain Register is violating the spirit of internet naming by reselling .pro names.
The report states that in early 2000, ICANN allowed 3rd level domains (foo.bar.pro) to be sold. Later, ICANN allowed 2nd level domains (foo.pro) to be sold for .pro as well. The restriction to this selling was that a user must have the 3rd level domain first. There are no reseller checks or usage enforcement other than the request to own a 3rd level domain from ICANN. EnCirca president plans to continue reselling 2nd level .pro domains, unless ICANN places a restriction on doing so."
how long till linux.pro is gone
Well, i've asked the same question. The simple answer is that bar doesn't make any sense alone. foo.bar is the only way to complete a thought.
.pro domain anyway?
Why does this stuff get posted? There is no opinion on this, nobody mentioned that ICANN generally sucks, and who wants a
"And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the World"
1 John 4:14
The problem is that nobody seems to care about what ICANN has to say. Which is a shame. But I mean really, ICANN isn't going to be able to fight a corporation so they should probably quit with these little nitpicking events they have, as they always wind up to be a waste of bandwidth and nothing more.
I normally don't agree with ICANN's position on many things but it seems to me that they could be taking the right stance on this. I'm not sure I would prefer tighter restrictions on domain names and TLDs but wouldn't it be nice if everyone stuck to a consistent naming convention? Imagine something a lot like what we have with newsgroups.
Bah, who needs DNS anyway? Real hackers memorize IP addresses! All you need to know is 216.239.57.99, really.
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Nothing they do makes sense to me. It seems like they're just creating new TLDs willy-nilly and giving control of them to new companies apparently without the ability to enforce any of the controls they've created. What exactly is the purpose of all these new TLDs?
I'm a big tall mofo.
I wonder how useful all these extra tlds are. I've worked on a helpdesk for a .org and a .edu, and one of the REALLY common problems we get is a call from users complaining they can't get on. Invariably, they're typing "www.foo.edu.com" or "www.foo.org.com".
I bet there's a lot of "why can't I get to lawyer.pro.com??" going on.
Have you ever seen a .pro website? Nobody uses .pro.
If you want to verify someone's credentials, call the state licensing board.
Am I the only one who's never seen a .pro domain? .pro domain.
There's one cool thing about this TLD. You have to provide proof of your profession to buy such a domain. Now that's probably the reason why I've never seen a spam advertising a
Underholdning.info
As so often, a bunch of administrators have decided that they need to regulate the market, but are driven more by self-interest (justifying their jobs) than by interest in supporting a free market.
It's Parkinson's Law: bureaucrats expand their work to fill their budgets. It's why half of my country's GDP goes to pay for civil servants.
In the case of internet domains the only satisfactory long term solution is to allow any company to register a top level domain, with some rules to avoid abuse, and then to allow a free market for reselling, giving, using sub domains.
Since the market has been restricted for so long, there should be a period in which existing domain holders and trademark holders can get "their" names without excessive conflict.
All the rest - the "official registrars", the annual fees, the ICANN and their rules - it's just a tax on using the Internet for building interesting communications structures.
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An honest question here --- could someone please explain to me why the action of EnCirca is in transgression of the "spirit of name restrictions"?
I don't see the problem myself, and would be grateful if someone could explain the situation.
Phoenix, Boston, Little Rock, see a pattern?
Later, ICANN allowed 2nd level domains (bar.pro) to be sold for .pro as well. The restriction to this selling was that a user must have the 3rd level domain first.
So wait, you have to own foo.bar.pro before you can own bar.pro? That doesn't make sense. Or have they got it backwards, and you have to own pro before you can own bar.pro? That doesn't make sense either. Maybe they mean "first" as in the order of the address and not chronologically. That doesn't make sense either because I can just have the 'www' subdomain.
What, if anything, is that sentence supposed to mean? I've set up plenty of domains, so I'm not ignorant, but the language used is simply so confusing I can't make heads nor tails out of it.
Isn't it the editor's job to make sure summaries are readable?
Aside from profit (you pay for two domains if you want the 2nd level one), what was the reason for this restriction in the first place?
OMG OH no the sky is falling the sky is falling! ... and the reason we have limited TLDs anyways?
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I say if you want to host your own TLD you should be able to register with ICANN, pay the annual fees to the root server administrators and go on your way.
Having
Would be cool
http://my_cv.tomstdenis
oh think of the posibilities
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Discussions continue among ICANN Board and Staff regarding the evaluation of five additional proposed sponsored Top Level Domains (sTLDs):
Even now, people hardly remember domain names. They use google to find it because its easier that way.
.pro, Frankly this is the first time I have heard about it. I dont think anyone will shed a tear for them.
Give it a few years an people will be asking you, whats your google search string?
But anyways its
Can .pron be far?
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I thought the third level was essentially handled at the web server, is that not true? So, if you had foo.pro, you could set a link that went to bar.foo.pro, or make your webserver serve bar.foo.pro or whatever, but routers would always send requests to *.foo.pro to your IP address and let you work it out from there. Is that not the case?
A modern day witchhunt.
There is no "Loophole found in Internet Domain Naming" as the headline says. The loophole lies in the Policy for a certain TLD. It has nothing to do with internet domain naming.
I think that the point is, they wanted the 2nd level to be a generic description of what type of professional service the business provides.
*shrug*
does it really matter?
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I like your plan to have more top level domains, but it is ultimately pointless to have more, since trademarks make it hard to register similar domains under different toplevels anyway.
.com is enough, although I admit it is nice to have separate TLDs for nations and non-profits.
Therefore,
One domain to rule them
One domain to bind them
One domain to bring them all
And in the darkness find them
I'm still trying to figure out what people mean by 'social skills' here.
"Spirit of the Internet" be damned. What business people need are laws and contracts.
No need to get all mushy if their legal department dropped the ball.
Si tacuisses philosophus mansisses. If you had kept quiet, you would have remained a philosopher.
The purpose of all the new TLDs is "To allow domain registrars to make more money."
.com domain, rather than having a virtual directory under the domain of the publisher - e.g. paramount.com/drecky_summer_movie/
.biz - after all, I know that when I see a .biz domain I feel great trust for the domain holder, as we all know that .biz mean business, and that anybody with a .biz must therefor be trustworthy!
That is why every little movie simply must have its own
That is why Joe's garage on the corner down the street must have JoesGarage.com, or at least JoesGarageAtFifthAndMain.com, rather than joesgarage.ict.ks.us.
Domains get cheaper the further down the heirarchy they get - domain registrars cannot charge as much for *.lawyers.com as they can for *.com.
Unlike physical items like land or gold, new TLDs can be created ad infinitum, so the registrars "figger" (they don't "figure" or "reason" or "think" - that is beyond them) they can get ICANN to keep creating new TLDs and they can continue to make the same amount of money forever.
Of course, that has worked out so spectactularly well in the case of
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Excuse me, I had to replace the sarcasm fuse in my keyboard.
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The .pro domain was specifically stated to be created for 'professionals' - doctors, lawyers - basically jobs you would have recognized as professionals in 1950, it's not just ANY professional that could get a .pro!
.pro for anyone who has the cash. Personally I wouldn't see that as a problem, but the fact of the matter is it was originally intended to be established, checked, professionals.
.com - maybe the net and org - and are done with it. A few of the niche markets get their .tv for example (oh the irony), but that's recognizable - and they're pimping their URL at you constantly while you watch. I could understand a .law for lawyers and the likes, but .pro is just too generic.
The problem is they're not doing any checking, they're just opening up the
I suppose the real point was to say "these people have been checked and have shown they are professional, so you can trust them - at some level - with your information". Basically a free 'level of trust', similar to a SSL cert.
The problem is, amongst other things, nobody would goddamned well know that. Joe schmoe is going to put more trust in law.com than law.pro - "what the hell is pro".
Most people just go out there and get their
IMO - the concept has failed, and was a bad assumption to begin with. If you're going to be branching out more and more domains, trying to bring in the big bucks, make them really friggin specific so they're useful.
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It shall simply be for .
.XXX, everyone assumes ".com" .com
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So you can register whatever you want with my new tld... Say you want... hmmm "slashdotbitesass"
that'd be your new tld!
origin slashdotbitesass.
10.10.10.10 A www
woot!
Seriously, why the hell even go through all the trouble for new TLDs. With the possible exception of the utility of
when you say a domain name. Even if you say ".net" they try
It's sheer madness!
..Needs to worry anyway, its $99 for one year ! No one is going to buy one..
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Too late to cry about that now. That went out the window the first time a non-commercial entity bought a .com domain...
...I was reviewing the server logs of one of our clients and people were searching in google/yahoo/msn/ask jeeves for the entire domain name, i.e. siteurl.com.
Even when people remember domain names some of them obviously don't know what to do with them (a stupidly large number of people I've met don't know what to do with the address bar and go to pages they regularly visit by typing the name in google, which is set as their homepage (somehow)).
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Where is the value over a .com? I say, more power to them if they can convince "professional" organizations to pony up the cash.
I see that some sites offering .pro domains mention an expensive vetting process to determine the authenticity of the registering party. I have to ask, "why?" Where is the value to the end user or to the registering party?
There certianly isn't any value for me (as a professional or as a user) and I imagine these "rules" will be relaxed as some point where .pro will be just another .info or .biz - a TLD I never bother to check for availability when I register a domain.
IANAL but I think your post goes against articles (2) and (3) (subsections IV) of the anti-"I am not a loser but I'm going to post my rant anyhow" protection clause of the Slashdot user covenant.
I was just surprised to see "violate the spirit" and ICANN in the same story.
The only TLD that even makes sense to add at this point is to add .phd, .mba,etc. for accredited university graduates. And where the hell is the .adult or .sex to pass off all the adult sites onto? You could just require that adult content has a .adult extension and then censor the hell out of .com, and no one could really complain, since free speech would still abound over at .adult, or whatever.
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I'm waiting for .scam to come out so I know who NOT to trust...I mean, we have .biz for businesses we "trust" and .pro now for certified "professionals"...
Reading at high threshold levels is group-think.
...simply "let's get rich quick"?
.tv sites start being about the island of Tuvalu.
.co.uk is the normal domain for businesses) we've suffered years and years of the company that owns the (supposedly invalid according to ICANN's rules uk.com domain selling worthless 3rd level domains to people, who unsurprisingly find lots their traffic going to the 'co.uk' with the same name.
.uk.com
I'll believe otherwise when
Here in the uk, (where
99% of my spam comes from people who work for foo.uk.com (where foo is my company's domain) who sign up for junk and get their own address wrong. ICANN doesn't want to know about this flagrant abuse of the system, presumably because there is no financial gain to be had by closing down
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And how do you proove it?
ICANN sucks, and who wants a .pro domain anyway?
Yeah! And when .cx sites start being about Christmas Island!
Of course if those sites are about Christmas Island, I can tell you I'm never going there. One hell of a hazing ritual for the new guy...
Surely that would be ...
;)
soft.pro (n)
and the numerous jokes that would entail.
Then again hardware (proper) engineers would be...
hard.pro (n)
so I shouldn't complain
The reason Joe's Garage needs www.joesgarage.com rather than joesgarage.ict.ks.us is because it seems more professional. It creates an illusion of size to the people that don't fully understand the way the system works; ie bob smith who is looking to have his car serviced.
.com TLD and were fairly large and I think that idea has stayed with us until now.
In the early days of the web, most of the websites worth looking at had a
I wouldn't call this a loophole. ICANN is in the business of generating revenue. If they stop these guys from letting them register domains then they're just stepping on their own airhose.
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Well, yes, proper restrictions on domains would be good. But... you can buy a domain as long as you already own one? What kind of policy is that? Seriously. The point is to keep domains from being abused, not to limit their use to people who have already bought one.
I can't imagine any reason for such a rule except to double the sales of .pro domains because people will have to buy a third-level domain first.
An insanely arcane registration methodology would make .geek TLD membership self-validating and highly trustworthy (...although not necessarily useful...)
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Yesterday I arrived home and my internet was down (Comcast). It was obviously a DNS problem (so sayeth TCP dump).
First step: Need to call company.
216.239.57.99
Google for "Comcast help number" and assorted queries, until it comes up.
Second step: Call Comcast. They have a major DNS outage, as you are already aware. They have no solution yet.
Third step: Google for how to specify your DNS in Linux.
Fourth step: Google for alternate DNSes.
Fifth step: Do as Google demands.
Bang! Full intarweb functionality. All from one IP address. Memorize it, it's worth the neurons!
I've only had cable service for a couple months, so I've literally never called the number before. When it works, it's the best connection I've ever had (counting college).
"Lawyers, accountants, doctors and engineers in the United States, Canada, Germany and the United Kingdom could get such names if they submitted proof of their professions. So a law firm called Smith Jones could get "smithjones.law.pro.""
.com, .net, and .org with all us peons on the net. Fuck em.
Elitist sacks of shit. There are a lot more 'professions' than "Lawyers, accountants, doctors and engineers." Those groups just got pissy because they had to share
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Not true. Trade marks are only valid within an industry. Consider Remy, which makes Cognac, and Remy, which makes starter motors and alternators. Even within .com then, there are name collisions. Ideally, .com should be separated based on industry.
Yes, that is the theory, and it would make sense to proceed like this, but when there is one party owning a well-established and know trademark, and the other party is smaller, the courts will decide in favor of the big party(on the issue of the domainname) regardless of whether the big party has failed to register the trademark for the service or product the smaller party is offering, and regardless of the smaller party registering the domain first. See Milka versus Milka Couture in France.I'm still trying to figure out what people mean by 'social skills' here.
...(discounts apply for multi-year signups), I'd only sign up for one of these if someone was pointing a gun at my head. And that's just the second level .pro domains.
The third level .xyz.pro domains, for instance, .eng.pro, are a cool $199 per year...
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Well, they have professional organizations that kick members out for violations of that organization's ethical conduct rules. When bridges fall down, when doctors cut the arm off the wrong patient, when lawyers ... well there are exceptions, when accountants underpay your taxes, one of the professionals loses their license. That's just not worth a quick, short-term sleazy gain on their part (or so the theory goes).
How many programmers do you know who never take shortcuts? That's why they aren't considered professionals. That's why people don't (or shouldn't) rely on them. Same for most other professions. Ph.D. is not a professional title, it's a degree.
Surelly many Belgium companies have both .com & .be sites.
.be site has got arround to being tr-lingual & having it's own English option, clicking a Union Jack flag style English language icon will land one on the .com site, just as clicking on the "international Headquarters" or "international Corporate Site" link (or whatever) will land one on their .com site too.
www.companyname.be will be the national/local site relivent to all those doing business with the company in Belgium. As such it will be a bilingual Dutch/French site. www.company.com will be the international corporate site & will be in English. It will be laid out & have information relivent to it's international business & foreign investors, etc. Of course both sites will crosslink. For eample until the
You missed the point, but let's address yours...
Those 'professional organizations' only kick out members that have committed violations so flagrant that those violations would bring ill repute on the organization. They do nothing to address ambulance chasers or pill pushers, for example.
Just face it, to them you are just a peon. One of the little people. Of little note.
Steve's Computer Service, Hobbs, NM
.here
.here. like airconditioner.here. what.here who.here where.here or just plain here.
.Com. TLD.
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You know about 192.168.x.x, 10.x.x.x, 172.16.x.x and 172.17.x.x private IPs?
I've been trying to get ICANN to officially reserve a TLD for _free_ _private_ use.
e.g. *.here
Then everyone who owns a network gets to define names in
IMO that'll be more useful than stupid stuff like info and biz. Which are just Yet Another
Then it'll be easier to have defacto standards for accessing stuff in various _locations_ e.g. go to a cafe with a controllable jukebox, http://jukebox.here/ and you'd be able to select songs.
http://here/ and you could learn more about the free wireless access you are using and the terms and conditions (sure you can do part of that by nocatauth but then people have to remember your URL or how to return to it after they clicked OK to browse), whereas http://here/ is simpler.
See internet-draft:
http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-yeoh-tld
Alternate: http://www.circleid.com/print/540_0_1_0/