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Rave Reviews for Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger

druid_getafix writes "The first mass market reviews of Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger are trickling in with a big thumbs up for the release. Walt Mossberg of the WSJ says 'Tiger Leaps Out in Front' but complains about slowness of some applications - notably Mail. David Pogue of NYT says 'But with apologies to Mac-bashers everywhere, Spotlight changes everything. Tiger is the classiest version of Mac OS X ever and, by many measures, the most secure, stable and satisfying consumer operating system prowling the earth.' In related news Mossberg also covers the rising incidence of spam/virii in the Windows world and says '...consider dumping Windows altogether and switching to Apple's Macintosh...'. Previous reviews of Tiger were covered on /. earlier."

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  1. W00t, guess i'll go get it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny


    unless there's a torrent..

  2. How are Mac Minis with Tiger? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Some people were waiting on Tiger's release to find out. Does AltiVec handle the CoreImage stuff alright?

    1. Re:How are Mac Minis with Tiger? by Squozen · · Score: 3, Informative

      You're wrong. CoreImage will use a capable GPU if you have one, otherwise it will run on the CPU. Same deal if you're running a firebreathing dual-G5 with an FX5200 graphics card - Core Image will take the fastest route to getting the job done.

    2. Re:How are Mac Minis with Tiger? by for_usenet · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't think the limit is on the video memory - I think what Core Image needs to be hardware accelerated by the GPU is a card with programmable hardware shaders (which most likely coincides with the video RAM level you mentioned). I believe this is on par with "DirectX 9 compatible" cards on XP.

      The other thing to note is that even if hardware acceleration isn't possible, Apple has optimized their low-level system libraries to provide a suitable (though not as high-performance) substitute. I have the last non-white/non-silver powerbook, and upgraded it to a G4 550, from a G3 500. The speed increase in things that were purely floating point were about 10%, as you'd expect from the bump in CPU speed. But for things that used Altivec (ripping in iTunes and some image processing stuf), the speed increase was anywhere from 25-33%.

      I'm curious to see how Tiger will run on this machine. I suspect that it will probably be the last release that officially supports this machine, but heck, it's 5 years old already, and by the time the next release rolls out, I SHOULD get a new PB ;-)

    3. Re:How are Mac Minis with Tiger? by rogerbo · · Score: 4, Informative

      well you're wrong. A lot of Vj's (including me) are interested in
      using the mac mini for onstage use for realtime video software because it's so small.

      Stuff like Grid, Arkaos and Modul8 will run fine on a mini.

      And for a home user a mac mini should be fine for editing and rendering home videos with DV. New versions of those will have core image filters which we want to use.

    4. Re:How are Mac Minis with Tiger? by beelsebob · · Score: 5, Informative

      The mini handles it all absolutely fine. It can render every single effect, but some of them are a little slow - the ripple effect has been manually turned off by apple because it runs at about 10fps. Two effects are slower than that, others are much much faster, but the mini can render every one of them fine.

  3. Re:Test of the NYT article by Karellen+!-P · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I did find it tremendously annoying that the multimedia part of the article requires you to have Real or WMP but not Quicktime.

  4. Which Karma Whore are you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    Which fanboy are you?
    1. Windows

      You wear wraparound sunglasses, even indoors. You wish your mother would let you ride a motorbike. You tell your friends you're pulling in $50,000 a year and $2,000 a month "playing the stock market" but in reality you're only bringing in half that and your dividends from MSFT havn't been good in years. Your non computing friends all turn to you for help; you only charge $30 an hour. Your collegues talk about you behind your back. Your workplace nickname is likely to be "The Asshole". Unlike the Linux fanboys, you actually try to pick up dates in bars but women laugh at you.
    2. Apple

      You think you're so cool you hurt. You have mirrors on every wall in your "loft apartment", which is really a grimy little apartment next to a guy who plays Guns 'n Roses at 3am. All of your furniture is from Ikea. You sometimes think that changing your name to "Steve" would be "pretty cool". When you go to bars you only drink Miller Lite. No body ever asks you for help with their computers because they know you don't know anything but OS X, even if you do tell them you "run Unix" now. Your friends openly laugh at you.
    3. Linspire

      You regularly give $10 bills to homeless guys because you have too much money. Computers baffle you, but you enjoy looking at pictures of naked women. You don't know what Linux is, but you continually bugged the IT guy at work about your computer so he installed Linspire on your machine.
    4. Umbongo

      You shop at GAP. You probably used to use a Mac. When you saw the multiracial image used as a desktop picture and heard that this operating system came from the same country as Nelson Mandela, you knew it was for you. You meet with your friends in fair-trade coffee houses and talk about the eventual overthrow of evil corporations such as Microsoft and Starbucks. Like the Linspire user, you have very little real knowlege when it comes to computers but you would never use your computer to look at pictures of women degrading themselves.
    5. Gentoy

      You've been "into computers" for ohh, one or two years now and fancy yourself as "a bit of a hacker". Wouldn't know C from C++, or even Perl for that matter. Older Gentoy users may be building their homes from matchsticks. You've explained to all your friends that your matchstick house will have an "optimised floorplan". They've tried to tell you that your house violates every known building code and law in your area, but you've ignored them so far because you can't read those complicated regulatory documents.
    6. Linux From Scratch

      Much like the Gentoy user but you'd also be into sadomasochistic sex if you could get it. You're not just building a house from matchsticks, you're planing to grow the trees to make the matchsticks. You've cleared some land but don't know what to do next because you havn't read the books you've got, so you've posted to alt.arborists.newbie asking for help. It's been three days so far and no one has replied. You remain hopeful.
    1. Re:Which Karma Whore are you? by smittyoneeach · · Score: 5, Funny

      8. Emacs
      Your devotion to the One True Editor is such that you (secretly) don't care what manner of kernel/windowing system you use to light off to run brilliant stuff like Gnus, ECB, or ERC.
      You like the substance of the GPL, even if you fall short of the full-on reactionary "ethical" style that some are capable of achieving.
      You wonder why the OS can't be as unobtrusive as the BIOS, and just serve Emacs quietly.

      --
      Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
    2. Re:Which Karma Whore are you? by rob10405 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wow, I haven't laughed so hard at a post in a long time. Here's my spin on the Windows Fanboys I've met: Windows Fanboy- You used to work at Best Buy and you drive (**insert small foreign car model**) that you just installed your own oddly shape spoiler on. You refuse to spend any money on software, and everything installed on your machine is either cracked or pirated. Your currently working on your MCSE, but those damn TestKing cheat sheets are so expensive!!! You cruise high school parking lots searching for young girls that you can fool into thinking you have a future.

    3. Re:Which Karma Whore are you? by sv0f · · Score: 3, Funny

      Leave the humor to the funny people.

  5. I for one... by earthbound+kid · · Score: 5, Funny

    welco... AHHH!! *mauled to death by a tiger for using a slashdot cliche*

    1. Re:I for one... by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 5, Funny
      Everytime you use a cliche, God kills a kitten.

      Well the kittens got fed up.

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      "Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival."
      --Dr.W.Edwards Deming
  6. Pity by DenDave · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Pity, I haven't got my copy yet. Can't wait... Spotlight will definetly change everything.. I wish we had this functionality on our windows network. Usually colleagues have a habit of making emssy files and storing things all over the shop, if we could search on meta data that would really help. From what I can tell so far, spotlight means you no longer care where things are, they simply exist and the context becomes the "path"... Truly innovating and definetly worth my money.

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    -if at first you don't succeed, stay the heck away from paragliding.
    1. Re:Pity by TuringTest · · Score: 3, Informative

      Spotlight is not "locate", is a combination of locate, grep and Firefox search-as-you-type.

      The main innovation in Spotlight is incremental searching, not waiting until pressing enter. This allows the user to refine the search on-the-fly, which is a big usability improvement. OK, incremental search is not new. But system-wide incremental search? Now this is a new feature.

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      Singularity: a belief in the "God" idea with the "demiurge" relation inverted.
    2. Re:Pity by TuringTest · · Score: 3, Informative

      And for finding content, according to the article "Spotlight even finds words inside Adobe's PDF files" and inside e-mail.

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      Singularity: a belief in the "God" idea with the "demiurge" relation inverted.
    3. Re:Pity by jbravo556 · · Score: 4, Informative
      And from what I've read, it doesn't involve grep. It doesn't search filecontents, just metadata (which most of the OS X users I know don't even use).
      Actually, it does search file contents. The API provided for developers encourage them to build their spotlight plugin to search everything in their proprietary files, meta data and contents.
    4. Re:Pity by Queer+Boy · · Score: 3, Funny

      I have transposition syndrome, you nisensitive cldo!

      --
      Not since Marie-Antoinette played milkmaid has looking simple and honest been so fake and complicated.
    5. Re:Pity by As+Seen+On+TV · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's more than that. I've kinda given up on explaining why, though. Let me explain with an example.

      A year ago, my friend George e-mailed me a funny picture of an elephant walking through snow. (It had snowed at a zoo. The picture was funny.) The other day, I wanted to see that picture, but I couldn't remember where I'd put it, or even if I'd put it anywhere at all.

      I tried Spotlighting "elephant" and "snow," but the photo was probably named DCS1003 or something, and I never got around to annotating it with a caption or anything. So that didn't help.

      Then I tried searching for George's e-mail address. That didn't help either, because George has sent me thousands of e-mails.

      So I typed the following query into Spotlight: "George kind:image".

      Poof. There was the picture. Spotlight knew to associate the picture with George because he's the one who e-mailed it to me. So it found it.

      (This whole example was totally made up. But I just tested it on my Mac, and it really does what I said it does. George is not his real name, but part about the elephant is true.)

    6. Re:Pity by As+Seen+On+TV · · Score: 3, Funny

      Steve would have used Bertrand instead of George, and he would have said "Boom" instead of "Poof."

      I'm clearly not Steve Jobs. ;-)

    7. Re:Pity by abulafia · · Score: 4, Funny
      George is not his real name, but part about the elephant is true.)

      Damn, all my bar-room conversations end up that way.

      --
      I forget what 8 was for.
  7. How do the judge so fast?!? by scsirob · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm always amazed how people seem to be able to judge the quality of an operating system within just a couple of hours. I can't imagine that you can really tell if productivity and/or stability have improved within a couple of hours.

    So how do they review the OS?

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    To Terminate, or not to Terminate, that's the question - SCSIROB
    1. Re:How do the judge so fast?!? by Brento · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm always amazed how people seem to be able to judge the quality of an operating system within just a couple of hours.

      Journalists, especially high-profile ones like Mossberg, get preview versions of new gear long before the rest of us specifically so they can review it. They sign non-disclosure agreements to make sure the technology doesn't get into The Wrong Hands, and the vendors generally know the journalists will behave because the journalists have their entire career invested in it. If Mossberg tried to distribute pirated versions of Tiger ahead of the release date, Apple would stop giving him advance copies, and he'd lose prestige as a journalist.

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      What's your damage, Heather?
    2. Re:How do the judge so fast?!? by someonehasmyname · · Score: 3, Informative

      Somehow my preorder showed up yesterday, so I backed up all my stuff last night to an external firewire hd. Then I booted off my Tiger cd, formatted my hard drive, and did a fresh install of Tiger.

      Once Tiger was running I still had to install a few drivers, such as my Unitor 8, and Delta 410.

      After that, I reinstalled all my necessary apps like Logic Pro 7 and various soft-synths (Vanguard, Atmosphere, Stylus RMX, etc.) and started beating the hell out of this system.

      After a few hours without any problems I concluded that, for my purposes, Tiger kicks ass.

      --
      Common sense is not so common.
  8. Gloat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    My god is it a great time to be a Mac user.

    Apple Tech
    NeXT Tech
    Dual G5
    iPod/iTunes/iTMS
    OpenGL
    unix Layer
    and my copy of Tiger is riding around in a FedEx van at this very moment.

    Everything I've ever wanted in a computer system is a few hours away from becoming reality.

  9. Re:Java 5? by qwertphobia · · Score: 5, Informative

    Java 5 is not included with the operating system, but 1.4.2 is included.

    Java 5 will be provided as a separate installer, so that folks can upgrade when they're ready.

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    Never ask for directions from a two-headed tourist! -Big Bird
  10. Expose - Slowness by DJPenguin · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've had Tiger on my 17" powerbook for a few days now - it's actually installed on my iPod so I can dual boot.

    One thing I have noticed so far is that Expose seems a lot less fluid than in Panther. Has anyone else noticed this, or am I going mad? The difference is noticable even with only a couple of windows on the desktop.

    Other than that it seems nice. My Vodafone 3G card works, and most apps that I have tried. The only thing I can't get working yet is OpenVPN - as the TUN/TAP driver isn't ported yet.

    1. Re:Expose - Slowness by mmkkbb · · Score: 5, Funny

      One thing I have noticed so far is that Expose seems a lot less fluid than in Panther.

      Well, iPods don't have the best graphics accelerator, so that's probably your difference.

      *gets coat*

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      -mkb
  11. Re:Java 5? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Java 5? That's Java 1.5.0, yes? No, wait, I mean that's Java2 1.5.0?

    Does it run on SunOS 2.10? Sorry, I mean, Solaris 10?

  12. You forgot something by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Reality Distortion Field.

  13. Re:Java 5? by ABaumann · · Score: 5, Informative

    No news as to when Java 1.5 (I refuse to call it Java 5 - see more) will be out. However, Apple has said that Tiger will be required for Java 1.5 (ie they're not gonna make it compatible with Panther) Early reviews of 10.4 Beta have said that a beta version of Java 1.5 is there, but seeing as apple hasn't mentioned anything, I'd be surprised to see it on an actual 10.4 disk. Summary: Java Tiger on Mac Tiger? If not now then soon. More: As for the name Java 5... Java 1.0 was Java 1.0. When they came out with Java 1.2, they called it Java 2 Then they had Java 2 versions 1.3, 1.4, etc. Now they have Java 5. Come on people! I don't care what your versioning conventions are, I just care that you have some.

  14. No Tiger in Tiger by kherr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Java 5 (Tiger) is not included in Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger). But Apple's got it under development and I'd suspect there'll be a Java update to Java 5 within a short period. Apple's been making test builds available to developers.

  15. Sounds great, get it out there! by digitaldc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Apple, now raking in profits from its iPod, should seriously consider lowering their prices on their high-end machines to gain market share. Currently APPL is trading at $36.35 +0.40 (1.11%) a share and the stock has gone up consistenty since 2003 when it was around $10 a share. Now is the time for them to make some moves.
    If Tiger indeed blows away XP, so they should try to advertise it more, get it out to as many people as possible in order to increase their popularity and inspire more people to use and develop Apple software. If everyone had a better alternative to Windows for say just a fraction more in price, people would start buying it. The iPod has already convinced people Apple is a good brand, all they need is a price incentive to switch to Apple PCs.

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    He who knows best knows how little he knows. - Thomas Jefferson
    1. Re:Sounds great, get it out there! by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 3, Insightful
      If Tiger indeed blows away XP

      Good G*d, man, in grasping the Tiger's tail let's not lose our grasp of Reality.

      OS X may be better than Redmond.*, but 95% of computer users and corporations would rather have a better OS ~that they can install on their current hardware~.

      --
      Rich And Stupid is not so bad as Working For Rich And Stupid.
    2. Re:Sounds great, get it out there! by Momoru · · Score: 4, Informative

      Currently APPL is trading at $36.35 +0.40 (1.11%) a share and the stock has gone up consistenty since 2003 when it was around $10 a share.

      It should be mentioned that these prices are not comparable directly since Apple split their stock. The current pre-split price is over $70, so its a 7 times gain, not just a 3 times.

    3. Re:Sounds great, get it out there! by sammy+baby · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's some evidence to suggest that they're headed in this direction already. The last time their Powerbook line got a bump, they also got a mild price cut. Their Cinema Displays also just had a mild price cut, bringing their average cost from "an arm and a leg" to "a hand and everything below the knee."

      Of course, once their sales hit a certain level, their incentive to keep dropping prices goes away, and there's only so much growth a company like Apple can reasonably expect to support in a given period. So, in other words, ignore me completely.

    4. Re:Sounds great, get it out there! by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Apple has managed to stay in business for 25 years. They have managed to turn a profit for the last 5 years. This is especially good performance given the nosedive the technology industry has been during the same period.

      I dare say they know what they are doing. That's like saying Daimler Benz should drop the price on their high end cars to compete with GM.

      They aren't even in the same Market.

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      "Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival."
      --Dr.W.Edwards Deming
    5. Re:Sounds great, get it out there! by water-and-sewer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      OS X may be better than Redmond.*, but 95% of computer users and corporations would rather have a better OS ~that they can install on their current hardware~.

      Not true. That's true for geeks like us. Most people have absolutely no what an operating system IS, and upgrade their lifestyle by buying a new computer. I am currently finishing a masters degree with a bunch of people that complain they need a new computer, because "this one just doesn't work anymore." They're using P4s and Windows 2000, and are going to upgrade to XP, not aware you don't have to get rid of your existing hardware. For that matter, they could speed up their machines by simply reformating all the spyware off and starting with a fresh system, but no. They're going to Dell.com to pick out a "better" machine.
      Thank God for those people. I get lots of good quality, 1 year old hardware from them for cheap. Not my fault they didn't take the time to learn about their computers.

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      If this were Usenet, I'd killfile the lot of you.
  16. Re:Voice recognition by Mikey-San · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As do I, but I really thing Apple need to do something about getting a cheap machine out. I can build my own for half the price of a Mac mini, and until they can match that they won't be getting any of my money, and I'm sticking with Windows.

    ROFLCOPTER. "Apple need to sell a cheap [$250] computer."

    An upgrade to Windows XP Professional is $200 alone. How much computer can you buy for that last $50? Sorry, but if you're going to complain that a $500 isn't cheap enough, I'm going to say you're a biased troll who thinks pirating an OS makes a computer cheaper for comparison purposes. You can't call something cheaper if you're stealing part of it.

    "Man, that $2000 PowerBook is too expensive. If they had a $1000 laptop, I'd buy one, but NOT SOONER NO OMG."

    "Man, that $1000 iBook is too expensive, but if they had a $700 Mac, I'd buy it. NOT SOONER, though!"

    "Man, that eMac isn't cheap enough for me. I can build my own computer for $10 and a pack of paper clips. Wake me when they sell an AFFORDABLE computer."

    "What? They're charging $500 for a computer?! Too bad they don't have a $250 computer, or I'd buy one."

    Pattern here?

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    Mikey-San
    Karma: +Eleventy billion (mostly affected by watching Celebrity Jeopardy)
  17. Re:Test of the NYT article by kimba · · Score: 4, Informative

    David Pogue should disclose that he is a popular author of Apple books. I don't disagree with what he says, and I am an Apple fan, but if you have a major interest in Apple you should probably disclose it when writing neutral articles for the NYT.

  18. Is there really a reason to switch? by sehryan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I would love to make the switch, but I am not sure I could justify it. I know it is all subjective, but what is a good reason to switch away from WinXP? Looking for real reasons to switch, not trolls or flames.

    For reference, I don't have problems with virii, my system never crashes, and all of my main programs (mainly design programs from Adobe and Macromedia) run very nicely. So what would I gain from switching?

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    The world moves for love. It kneels before it in awe.
    1. Re:Is there really a reason to switch? by zpok · · Score: 4, Informative

      Initially, you'd be less productive (say one week, tops) and afterwards you'll probably be a lot more productive.

      That's the top one reason I always keep hearing from multimedia professionals who've switched. What makes them more productive? Workflow management, which seems to be easier in OS X, better handling of files and more freedom and consistency in setting up the perfect work environment. This includes scanning, printing and all color-proofing issues.

      For some things it's the difference between one click versus four. For some things it's simply features not available on Windows.

      And today it's a lot easier to set keyboard shortcuts just the way you want them and adapt your workflow to your taste. So switching has for the most part become trivial.

      I'd say coupled with the cross platform apps you use, there's at least not a compelling reason not to switch. If you personally would gain a lot by switching is another issue.

      I know, a pretty wooly answer. In the end it's down to your preferences and way of working. Best talk with fellow designers, see what they think about it, and see if what they say applies to your situation.

      DON'T ask the geeks here at /. they'll bog you down with arguments that have nothing to do with your reality ;-)

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    2. Re:Is there really a reason to switch? by nordicfrost · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, the main reason I use Macs and MacOS isn'nt blazing speed differences and OMG!!! It just works!!! statments. although I have yet to install a driver to get something om my PowerBook to work. I don't know how they do it, but most things seem to not need a driver or use a preinstalled driver of some sort.

      I use Macs because they make me efficient. I feel more comfortable sith a Mac and lots and lots of nifty solutions make it a better platform for me. An example: When I work in Photoshop, all I need to do in order to view all the open pictures is to take the mouse in the lower right corner. Expose kicks in and I can see every picture I'm working on. If I want to see all the open apps and switch to another, mous in the lower left corner. Another example; everything is drag'n'drop. I'm composing an email and need a picture from a website? Just drag the pic from safari over in the email totally seamlessly. And both the email client and safari are preinstalled. Easy-peasy.

      There is so much to tell, but just try it. If it is good for you use it. If not, don't.

    3. Re:Is there really a reason to switch? by Jugalator · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Another example; everything is drag'n'drop. I'm composing an email and need a picture from a website? Just drag the pic from safari over in the email totally seamlessly.

      Just checked, and the same happens here at work with IE and Outlook. :-)

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    4. Re:Is there really a reason to switch? by nordicfrost · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We use Groupwise at work, doesn't work there. But there's something interesing about your statement. You didn't know it until now. In the Mac world, there's this wierd feeling you get that "this probably works" and you try it. Usually it works. It is difficult to explain, but the global drag and drop feature is so thightly integrated that one tend to use it. In Windows, it works in some situations and not others. I don't have the time to find out what apps / situations that can have DND to make them more efficient. In Mac, you just do it.
      Sorry for the bad explanation, but the feeling is difficult to describe.

    5. Re:Is there really a reason to switch? by dr00g911 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A lot of people will make this into a religious debate -- which I'm guilty of from time to time -- but it's really just a matter of personal taste.

      I have Macs and Win boxes in both my home and work offices. I've got a Debian box at home as well.

      There are very specific tasks that work better on the PC in my opinion. For me, those tasks are games and Maya. This is coming from an artist's perspective primarily, a coder's perspective second and gamer's third.

      Everything else, I use my Macs for because they just 'feel' right. It feels like I'm drawing with my left hand to use Photoshop under Windows with an identical interface and mostly identical key commands. Mouse acceleration curves feel funky, and I loathe -- nay -- LOATHE the fact that the majority of apps I use have to have a second desktop behind them (that gray background you get when 'maximized'). I like seeing my desktop. I like having a palette monitor that's got my email client in the non-palette space. I like the Mac's implementation of drag & drop. I like the lack of reliance on the second mouse button to do everyday tasks.

      Quark Xpress 6+ is flaky on any platform at any speed, however type is significantly more manageable and supported on the Mac.

      BBEdit is reason enough to buy a Mac, all by itself if you're a coder. It's rocked my world for years (network-wide find & replace from circa '95 -- maybe earlier) and just keeps getting better.

      Don't even get me started about Windows and CMYK support, professional level color management, search functionality ("find" was practically instant across all drives and servers BEFORE spotlight -- now we have instant filename, content and context-sensitive metadata). Coupled with 45 minutes on my 3ghz P4 to search just my frigging C: and D: drives.

      Once you get yourself immersed in the Mac, it fits like a tailored suit -- there's an astounding amount of tiny bits of polish and subtle features that have been cloned to the Win side by someone who didn't understand the meaning of elegance or subtlety (see the Longhorn 'Glass' demo that's surfacing for a prime example).

      Anyhow, at home I choose my relatively slow 17" flat panel iMac G4 over my screaming and fully loaded gaming and Maya PC for almost every task because I'm more productive and happier. YMMV.

  19. Re:Voice recognition by peragrin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You can only build a machine cheaper if your time is worthless.

    I need someone to do some yard work can I hire you for $1 a day? That is your going computer assembly rate. So it won't be much of a difference.

    You do reaize that in order to put even a nano-itx board into a mac mini chassis, you can't have a cd-rom drive right?

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  20. Re:Please, cut the hype... by Loco3KGT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Uh, dude, you can't do that.

    you can't take a quote, edit it to death to remove the point of the sentence, and then call it hype. "consumer" was the key freakin point in that sentence and you just said "haha no. I shall rewrite this to mean something else and then call them liars!"

    Can you show me another consumer desktop OS that's as stable, secure, and satisfying? It ain't Linux, Linux isn't 'consumer' enough. No more than a Ford F-850 is a 'consumer' truck.

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    Blessed be he who reads this post, Cursed be he who tells my boss.
  21. Re:Voice recognition by boaworm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Apple is obviously not interested in competing with all this crap'n'cheap PC storese and hardware floating around. Why can't people figure that out ?

    Furthermore, I've actually spent less money on computer hardware since I bought my Power Mac, simply because I was suddenly so happy with it, and felt no need to constantly change stuff.

    I threw my last Windows/PC years ago, running Linux/OpenBSD on my servers, and OS X on laptops/workstation. I dont miss this fuzz about crappy drivers, PSUs that goes black, noice, having to install a shitload of free/shareware just to be able to do something.

    Simply put, I value my time, so I save money (and adrenaline) on my Mac's. If you dont mind all the crap that goes with cheap PC hardware, Apple is simply not for you, so dont "whine" about not being able to buy a cheap Mac.

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    Aristotele
  22. Gilbert and Sullivan! by adavies42 · · Score: 5, Funny

    From the NYT article:

    The Safari browser now subscribes to R.S.S. news feeds,
    And its "private browsing" mode conceals the tracks of online deeds.
    There are archives now, and log files, when you send or get a fax;
    You can make the pointer bigger on those Jumbotron-screened Macs.
    You can start a full-screen slide show from some photos on demand;
    And the voice that reads the screen aloud can lend the blind a hand.
    There's a password-phrase suggestor meant to make yours more secure,
    And the Grapher module draws equations simple and obscure.
    Then the Automator program is a geeky software clerk -
    You just choose the steps you want performed, and it does all the work.
    There's a lot of miscellany, lots of spit-and-polish stuff,
    But it works and doesn't slow you down - and these days, that's enough.

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    Media that can be recorded and distributed can be recorded and distributed.
    -kfg
  23. ah, calm down... by aendeuryu · · Score: 5, Funny

    The plural of virus is viruses.
    Writing "virri" doesn't make you look clever, educated people will laugh at you.


    Speak for yourself. Not all of us trot out our soapboxen for such little things.

  24. I don't understand nobody's talking about by HawkingMattress · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Their new automator framework, which let applications send streams of objects to each other and have them propose interfaces to interact with.
    (Well that's how it seems to work at least). It looks like the equivalent of unix pipes for desktop apps.
    Something i've been waiting for for years.

    1. Re:I don't understand nobody's talking about by As+Seen+On+TV · · Score: 3, Informative

      I hate to tell you this, but both of y'all got it wrong. We're learning a lot about our marketing here, and one of the things we're learning is that while ordinary people get Automator instantly, computer nerds don't. They tend to overthink it.

      The fundamental object in Automator is the action. Think of an action like an old-fashioned Unix command-line utility like "sort" or "uniq." Each one has an input and an output, kind of like "stdin" and "stdout" but more discriminating.

      Using Automator, you string together actions to create workflows. Workflows are kind of like pipelines. You start with one that generates some kind of output, then pass that output to another action, then to another, then to another.

      Example: Let's say you have ten pictures on your desktop, and you want to resize them all and add metadata like a copyright notice, something that's common to all 10. You go to Automator and start with the "Get selected Finder items" action, then click on the "Scale images" action, then click in the "Add Spotlight comments to Finder items" action. When you select the files and run the workflow, it does what you want.

      A more complex, real-world example. I use InCopy a lot. One of the things I always have to do is take an InCopy document, map styles to XML tags, export the document as XML, then run the resulting XML file through a little utility to strip out some InCopy weirdness that Adobe inserts. This is a fairly manually intensive process. I automated a chunk of it with an AppleScript about eighteen months ago when InCopy 3 first came out, but I still had to do the fiddly stuff by hand. Last fall, I created an Automator workflow that would let me call that AppleScript ("Run AppleScript" is an Automator action), then pass the output on to a pipeline of actions that processed it in just the way I needed. I now use that workflow several times every day.

      Like I said, normal people get it pretty quickly. Geeks seem to try to overthink it, to think about it in terms of object models and scripting.

  25. Looking forward to Automator, Dashboard, and iChat by amichalo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Everyone is a buzz about Spotloght and it is no doubt going to be great, but I am also looking forward to improving productivity with Automator.

    As with lots of scripting languages, sometimes it is just plain faster to brute force what you are doing than sit down, recall a language syntax and function set, write a script, give it a test, and then run it. What I see as cool about Automator is that it makes building a script so freaking easy and fast and since you can call scripts with scripts, you can build a nice function library of scripts to make the process even faster.

    I am also digging on Dashboard. At first I didn't like the idea of a second desktop that is different than the first, and I will have to try before I agree that it makes sense to keep these on a different desktop, but I love the idea of the small applets (I used Konfabulator breifly) for small tasks like weather, itunes, stock tickers, and calculator. That they take minimal system memory means I will be more apt to keep them open and within easy reach without having to launch the applicaiton.

    Lastly, I am totally excited about iChat AV supporting up to four people (including me) in a video chat. It just looks so cool to see three people sitting around the virtual room like that and this feature is making me finally break down and buy the iSight. It looks like the best autofocusing camera available for $150.

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  26. Re:Test of the NYT article by Okonomiyaki · · Score: 3, Interesting

    IF anyone considers tomorrow a special day at all, it's probably because it's Friday, or because "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" movie opens, or because it's Uma Thurman's birthday.

    It's also the birthday of former Japanese Emperor Hirohito, now known as "Midori no Hi" or "Green Day" (no relation to the band). It's an important national holiday as it kicks off "Golden Week," which consists of three other national holidays including Japan's national day and Boy's Day. So, if you were thinking of visiting an Onsen or going to Izu Peninsula this week, you should rethink your plan. Those kinds of places will be really crowded but downtown Tokyo should be nearly vacant. Except, of course, the crowd that should be gathering around the Apple Store in Ginza.

    Just in case you were interested.

  27. Pshaw by SubtleNuance · · Score: 3, Informative

    Want meta-data search (spotlight) on GNU/Linux? Try installing Beagle.

    From Beagle's webpage; "Beagle is a search tool that ransacks your personal information space to find whatever you're looking for. Beagle can search in many different domains:

    documents
    emails
    web history
    IM/IRC conversations
    source code
    images
    music files
    applications ...and much more

    Have a look at uber hacker Nat Friedman's videos of hot Beagle Action.

    In short, beware teh Gnome.

    1. Re:Pshaw by GaryPatterson · · Score: 4, Informative

      So can it search for relationships between files? Not just metadata, content of filename, but stuff like "show me the emails with the picture of the dog that I sent to members of my family"?

      SpotLight is not just metadata plus content. It's also about relationships between objects. You can create relationships by dragging objects about (say a picture of a dog onto an email to family members) and SpotLight remembers them in detail (the dog metadata in the image is then in a relationship with the people in the email address fields, as well as the email itself and any objects inside it).

      This seems like a new thing to me.

  28. Re:Poor Memory Handling? by zoomba · · Score: 4, Funny

    Did you just honestly use Enlightenment .17 in an argument? Isn't that like saying "Game X sure is great, but hell, Duke Nukem Forever will blow it away" ?

  29. Re:Why can't they test unix for what it is? by Chucker23N · · Score: 4, Informative

    It runs Oracle.

    Java 1.5 isn't available yet, but will be soon.

    64-bit memory addressing is available for 64-bit backend processes. As the PowerPC can handle 32-bit and 64-bit at the same time, there's no performance cut at all.

    I wasn't able to test the final GCC 4.0 yet.

    I don't know what you mean by performance problems, outdated hardware and expensive prices.

  30. Image ops on powermac 1 ghz g4 by acomj · · Score: 3, Informative

    I have a dual 1 ghz power mac. I have a lot of ram 1.5 gig, and manipulate images in photoshop 7. Without core image acceleration its very good, especially with some of my larger images which can by 100 megs each. The only time the wait is anoying is when i'm using genuin fractals "degrain" filters which are slow (20-30 seconds) but work very well.

    It even edits video ok. All without the core image.

    My understanding of core image api is if the machine can't send the operations to the unsupported video card it just uses the main processor. minis have 1.2-1.4 ghz so they should work prety well for any image task thrown at it.

    A g5 would improve things for anyone really into hardcore editing..

    1. Re:Image ops on powermac 1 ghz g4 by object88 · · Score: 3, Funny

      The ripple effect makes my nipples hard.

      Jean-Louis Gassee? Is that you?

  31. Proper comparison by lar3ry · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hardly XP Home.

    Apple has got this one right. There is NO "OS X Light." There's just one O/S to serve them all...

    OS X comes with web server (Apache), SSH server (where's that in XP anything?), a SQL database, and many other things that you can't get without XP Professional or even Win2000/2003 Server.

    Now, most of those "advanced" services are turned off by default, but they are there if you want to use them, and don't cost anything (other than the space they take up) if you don't ever configure them.

    I think Microsoft's OS strategy sucks, because it generalizes: I need Win2003 Server Standard Edition--or is it Enterprise Edition?--to get some of the services I need, but need XP (Home,Professional) to get the desktop bubblegum that my kids want. I can't pick and choose--Microsoft does it for me and I don't get a say in their selections!

    Of course, you can always get freeware/shareware or commercial add-ons, but that ups the price of the OS.

    So... the proper comparison is OS X would be to purchase XP Professional with bits of Windows 2003 Server (total cost, mucho dinero!).

    Who wants to bet that Microsoft will continue this silly strategy with Longhorn? I can see it now: Longhorn Home, Longhorn Professional, Longhorn Advanced Server, Longhorn Lite, Longhorn Media Edition, Longhorn Tablet Edition, Longhorn Pocket Edition... And what will developers target? (This requires Longhorn Home, with some bits of Longhorn Server, but is incompatible with the display driver in Longhorn Tablet...)

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    "May I have ten thousand marbles, please?"
  32. Re:Test of the NYT article by Okonomiyaki · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This point has been run into the ground by now but I guess some people still don't get it. If you started with 10.0, you have to pay $130 to get to this point. No one is forced to upgrade. If you don't consider the enhancements being offered to be worth the cost, don't upgrade. Panther will work just as well tomorrow as it did yesterday.

  33. The petty annoyances by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Usng both a Windows2K (was using XP for a while as well) computer and a Mac day to day, I can list some little things that annoy me on Windows that are solved by the Mac:

    Lots of windows? Taskbar has two modes, neither of whcih work very well - either fold your icons together and make it really a bother to get to, or have the taskbar go to multiple lines. Expose is just SO much better a way of dealing with finding multiple windows.

    Macs don't ever hide menu items just because you've not used them for a while.

    Ever had a Windows Window no respond to you because a modal dialgue has popped up somewhere and that window is now obscuring it? Well, I have and Macs do not have that problem due to a much more intelligent way of handlind modal popups (it's embedded in the window that spawned it).

    Config files for every app that are really text and editible (or removable) by hand.

    UNIX utilities as first-class members of the OS and not something that clings to life within the system. Yeah I'm looking at you Cygwin!

    Usable simple text editing app (TextEdit). Both Wordpad and Notepad have unique issues that means you can't just automatically use one or the other (why do you think they are both still there). Heck in Tiger you can just use TextEdit for 99% of your word processing since it reads/writes Word files and supports things like tables.

    Everything supports save as PDF through printing interface. No need to use Acrobat.

    A home directory that reallly is in one place!!! You don't have to search the whole hard drive to REALLY back up all your app settings. They are all under ~/Library.

    When people talk about being more productive on a Mac, these are the kinds of things they mean. It's all the little annoyances that are part of using Windows day to day... you don't notice them after a while but each one makes you just a tiny bit slower and interrupts your workflow. In my experience Macs have a better sustained throughput for humans. Sure if you're just sitting there typing a letter one may not be faster than the other, but it's when you have to stop typing and make transitions when your odds of being interrupted are lower on Mac.

    And for less subtle reasons - Spotlight? Dashboard? Automator? These are pretty compelling reasons all on thier own, especially if you can write code at all. And if you can't then Automator should be even more compelling.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  34. Re:Voice recognition by rokzy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the whole point of the Mac voice control is that it DOESN'T NEED ANY TRAINING.

    of course a "well trained" system will be better. jeez...

    the Mac voice control isn't about, say, replacing typing (that will never work properly anyway). it's about commands. that's why it works so well - there are a limited number of words and phrases, though still some flexibility with precise phrasing.

    the best use imo is the things like "home phone for Joe Bloggs" which will access the Address Book and display in huge font the home number. dismiss it with "ok" or "thank you" etc.

    another good one is to select a file and say "mail this to Joe Bloggs" which open mail, starts a message to Joe and attatches the file. it's good because it actually saves time as opposed to a lot of voice control stuff which ends up taking LONGER than to just do it manually.

  35. I agree an easy symlink tool would be interesting by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I really like Spotlight, and I have to say that counter to your assessment that something needs to be built that will make things easier to organize that there are a lot of people that will never care and just dump documents somewhere.

    However I do agree that for those that seek a cleaner path, a tool that made the creation of symlinks much easier for normal people would be cool. To some extent Smart Folders in spotlight and other systems fill this role in that a smart folder is sort of like getting a directory with links to all of the files from one subject. But I think you might end up with results not quite exactly what you want at times - like too many files or perhaps missing a few. So a tool that let you build a set of symlinks using spotlight as a base might be pretty interesting and has the possibility of eliminating the need for photo management apps for many people.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  36. Re:Voice recognition by kapowaz · · Score: 3, Informative

    The question is, just how accurate is the speech recognition? I work for a company that sells many different text-to-speech and speech recognition packages, of which Scansoft's Dragon NaturallySpeaking is the most popular. It's a ~£400 product though (for Windows) and with good reason; after training (and assuming you have a PC up to spec and a decent microphone/headset) it has a very high accuracy rate for recognition; essential if you're dictating a 500,000 word essay and don't want to correct 10,000 incorrectly interpreted words.

    The sort of speech recognition software bundled with operating systems in the past have traditionally been of a very substandard quality, and with limited scope for training to improve (the idea that you can use it immediately without *any* speech rec training worries me immensely, as people have sufficient variety in accents that regional differences could mean the product works or doesn't - maybe it works best if you're from South California?).

    Still, like I say, I'd be very interested to see how good Tiger's support is. Apple has been making leaps and bounds with its accessibility support (which SR is essentially a component of, even if they're not marketing it as such) so an SR component of the OS with OS-level integration and commercial quality accuracy would make Tiger *the* killer accessible OS. If it isn't already, that is.

  37. Re:Voice recognition by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This pattern is real, but it exists not because would-be Mac owners are stand-offish about parting with money, but because PC prices have dropped, and dropped faster than Mac prices.

    The problem, of course, is that people look at the cost of the hardware alone, and not the cost of the OS, upgrades, and applications and the value of the security and usability advantages provided by Apple. Windows piracy (and Windows applications piracy) probably hurts Apple more than it hurts Microsoft.

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    You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
  38. Re:How is Spotlight any different.. by lachlan76 · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's built in at the filesystem level, and as a result files are indexed immediately when they are modified, rather than at the next search pass.

    Spotlight also has a plugin architecture so that developers can add new file format parsers.

  39. Holding out for OS 10.9.8 Liger by CaseOfThaMondays · · Score: 5, Funny

    Liger is going to pretty much be my favorite OS. its bred for its skills in stability and magic.

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    thats pretty much my best post ever. I spent like 3 hours typing it.
  40. Price Point by Rihahn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I keep seeing all of these posts where someone mentions they can get a PC with 'X' ram, 'X' HD, 'X' CPU for 'X' cheaper than a Mac... You can also go buy a $1000 Honda and add all sorts of ground effects, spoilers, lights, and other 'performance' mods and have a pretty quick little car that will beat a BMW 740il soundly... But it's still a Honda. And unless you're stupid, you'll wind up going down the road at the exact same speed as that Beemer. The only difference is that you added all of that stuff to your car, you know every rattle and squeak, tolerate the lousy ride because you can corner like no ones business, have bass that can make your neighbors evaporate, and you can fix any of it easily or upgrade it... Meanwhile the guy with the Beemer has a 10-year warrantee that covers tears in the upholstery and doesn't have to think about the car, he just drives it. He gets to spend his weekends out playing with his kids rather than tweaking a new intake manifold, can drive the car from Denver to L.A. without worrying about the radiator being two sizes too small for the type-R motor that has been shoehorned into the car, and his stock sound system is pretty nice because he doesn't need 3000 watts to overcome the #10 coffee can exhaust system. Of course the average /.'er drives a VW Thing that was hand built by everyone he/she knows, only runs on methanol that he/she makes in the back yard, has the steering wheel on the wrong side, and requires three keys to start. ;)

  41. Re:Sleeper hit feature - parental controls by Mistah+Blue · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Hmmm... do you have kids? From your comments I doubt it. Let me tell you, as the father of 5 yr old twins it is a scary world out there. Much different than when I grew up. There are a bunch of bad people out there that would love to do my kids harm, both online and in the physcial world. It is my responsibility to protect them, but also temper that so as not to be over protective. I appreciate all the help vendors can give, so I can decide what to do. Not the government, not you, but me and my wife.

    On a lighter note... my Tiger shipment is on the FedEx truck for delivery today. Woohoo!

  42. Re:Voice recognition by As+Seen+On+TV · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Mac OS X includes speech commands, not speech-to-text. You can't dictate to your Mac using the built-in software. So don't compare it to anything you talked about here; it's a different kind of solution.

    That said, speech commands work amazingly well. You can click a file in the Finder and say "Mail this to (name from your address book)," and it opens up a Mail window with that address, the file attached, ready for you to type or just click "Send."

    That's cool. That's really cool. No question. But you know what really blows me away? About two weeks ago, without really thinking about it, I did it while brushing my teeth. Seriously. I was sitting at my computer at home early in the morning, still half asleep, with my toothbrush in my mouth. I mumbled "Send the latest blah-blah file to person-so-n-so," which I have set up to trigger a Spotlight search to find the most recent copy of a specific file and e-mail it to the named contact. (I have to do this often enough it was worth automating.) I said this with my toothbrush in my mouth, with a mouth full of Crest. And it understood me.

    Honestly, it kinda freaked me out a little. It was a very "Open the pod bay doors, Hal" moment.

    (Just for fun, I tried it again, and it didn't work. I guess I was able to mumble it just right the first time, totally by random chance. Got lucky. Still a pretty funny moment.)

  43. Re:Folders by As+Seen+On+TV · · Score: 3, Informative

    It will be a lot easier to just add the project information into the metadata than rely on a fixed directory structure.

    Um. I really don't want you to buy Tiger and then be disappointed.

    Spotlight isn't a general-purpose annotation system. In order for you to apply metadata to files, you have to have three things. First, a file format that supports metadata. (Metadata is actually stored inside files.) Two, an application that supports adding metadata. And finally, you have to have a Spotlight importer that extracts the metadata.

    Example: Adobe has not yet shipped (for some bafflingly reason) their importers for their file formats. These importers will be able to read XMP metadata and store it in Spotlight. But right now, they're not available. So if you want to add Spotlight-savvy metadata to an InDesign file, you are completely out of luck. It can't be done, no way, no how.

    Spotlight is great. I love Spotlight. Spotlight has changed the way I work. But if you go into it hoping that Spotlight is gonna do a whole bunch of things that it's just not equipped to do right now, you're going to be pissed. And I don't want you to be pissed.

    Now, that said, you can group all JPEG files together based on width and height criteria. That works fine. And you can use Spotlight comments to store free-form, unstructured metadata. But don't hope that Spotlight is a general-purpose file annotation system. It's not. At least not in this release.

  44. Re:Voice recognition by timeOday · · Score: 3, Funny
    I mumbled "Send the latest blah-blah file to person-so-n-so,"... And it understood me.

    Honestly, it kinda freaked me out a little. It was a very "Open the pod bay doors, Hal" moment.

    So you're saying OS-X recognizes the commands, but refuses to carry them out?
  45. Making it Cuss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    While working in tech support for a game company there was obviously little respect for Macs.
    There was one of the early iMacs which was used for testing...rarely.
    Hearing coworkers cussing in their cubicles was never that big of a deal. It happened all of the time. One day, I got off of a call and I heard someone cussing and didn't recognize the voice. It took a few seconds for me to figure out that it sounded familiar. That's when I walked back to the iMac and saw that one of the techs had discovered that you could type cuss words into Simple Text and get the computer to read it out loud.

    I told them about using speakable items and about the choices of voices they could use. It was amazing that those features alone suddenly made the Mac more useful to my coworkers.
    ****
    Sometimes, when I don't feel like reading article online, I cut and paste artcles into a text editor and just have it read to me using Victoria's voice, Though for articles on politics, I just use the Deranged voice. Everything makes more sense then.

  46. Re:Voice recognition by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 4, Funny
    Here's a good one if you want to confuse a voice dictation system. In Burbank, CA, there is a street named Pass avenue, and it includes an overpass that passes over the freeway. If you were to travel that on a certain major Jewish holidy, you would "pass over Pass overpass over Passover".

    Good luck getting that recognized by today's speech recognition systems!

  47. Apples to Dell comparison by anomaly · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I love Linux. I've used it on the desktop at home for about 8 years. Linux can't compare with my Powerbook in terms of desktop user experience. My Mac 'just works.'

    The hardware you're talking about has the same capacity hard disk and RAM. There's a 2.3GHz celeron compared to the 1.25 GHz G4. If you're talking about raw GHz, I guess you have Apple beat.

    Video? I'm sure that the included video adapter is superior on the mini. Does your server have a modem? A DVD player, CD burner? Audio in or out? USB? Firewire?

    But Linux has free software! Those free applications push Linux ahead, right?

    Photo management? gPhoto has pretty good camera support - if you're using the right USB drivers. That gets the photos from the camera - now, what about organizing and editing photos? Slideshows with transitions, audio, etc? iPhoto kicks butt here.

    Video editing? First find and configure the firewire card drivers for the chipset you have, then go get what? Cinelerra? Too hard for a linux geek to make work. VirtualDub, Kino? WAAAAY too limited in terms of features and ease of use.

    DVD mastering? Don't get me started...

    Music software? XMMS is pretty handy for playing music, but organizing, sorting? Grip for capturing the data...

    OpenOffice and GAIM on linux are fine tools. NeoOffice and Adium are fine tools on my Mac, and they work almost identically on the Mac.

    The point is that it's POSSIBLE to do these things on linux. On my Mac, it's EASY.

    Write a letter, print it to a remote printer, rip a CD and copy it to a USB or firewire equipped MP3 player, take digital photos, create a slideshow with music, export it to a readily available format (doesn't have to be quicktime, but find something equally easy for the recipient to use.... Compare start-to-finish time on both platforms. My Mac clobbers linux in this.

    Don't get me wrong here I'm a big Linux geek. My Mac makes desktop computing useful and usable.

    Respectfully,
    Anomaly

    --
    But Herr Heisenberg, how does the electron know when I'm looking?
  48. Re:Voice recognition by Skibbering · · Score: 5, Funny

    I turned off Speech Recognition on my Mac - it was freaking me out when it started responding to voices on the TV. No lie! A typical conversation:

    TV: "...we don't have the time..."
    Mac: "It's seven thirty two".

    Ok, it's not exactly riveting dialogue, but still.. You KNOW you're getting neurotic when your household appliances are having conversations and you start feeling left out.

  49. Re:Sleeper hit feature - parental controls by strikethree · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I do have kids and I can guarantee you that the world is not any more dangerous than it was 50 years ago, 500 years or even 5000 thousand years ago... except kids are less likely to be eaten by wild animals now. I always hear people saying, "kids nowadays! they are so much more X than when I was their age." or, "Things have changed so much from when I was a kid." Let me clue you in buddy. Sure, there are cycles where things are a little more this or a little more that (or a little less!) but for the most part, people are not changing. The internet did not suddenly create a bunch of sick people hunting down your child. Those people were always there. The internet did not create a whole new class of racists/paedophiles/[insert other dangerous scary type person here].

    It is always the same old song and dance. The more things change, the more things stay the same.

    strike

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