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Firefox Breaks 50,000,000 Barrier

MrDrBob writes "Today at 16:59 GMT (8:58 AM PST) Mozilla Firefox received its 50,000,000th download. To celebrate, SpreadFirefox.com has created a special page, where you can watch the downloads continue to climb in real time. Three cheers for Firefox! May it go on swiftly to 100,000,000!"

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  1. Rumor has it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    That if they reach 100 million downloads in the next four days, Blake Ross will fly to the moon under his own power.

    1. Re:Rumor has it by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny
      That if they reach 100 million downloads in the next four days, Blake Ross will fly to the moon under his own power.

      I think Bill Gates would volunteer to fly him there.

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    2. Re:Rumor has it by Man+in+Spandex · · Score: 2, Funny

      [McBain Voice] Up and at them.

    3. Re:Rumor has it by Zemplar · · Score: 3, Funny

      " That if they reach 100 million downloads in the next four days, Blake Ross will fly to the moon under his own power."

      He should fly to mars instead and give the rover a push.

    4. Re:Rumor has it by tehcrazybob · · Score: 2, Informative

      First, they have stressed several times on the spreadfirefox website that they are counting only downloads. They aren't trying to pretend that these are usage statistics, they are simply counting the number of times the application has been downloaded. From what I remember of calculus, if you downloaded it 20 times in a row on one computer, that's 20 downloads.

      Second, they have also stated that downloads initiated through the update widget at the top right corner don't count towards the stats. Your upgrades to 1.0.2 and 1.0.3 only counted if you downloaded them from the main page.

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    5. Re:Rumor has it by carpe_noctem · · Score: 2, Funny

      Looks like their slogan "Where do you want to go today?" could take on a whole new meaning!

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  2. Time zones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Today at 16:59 GMT (8:58 AM PST) ..."

    *blink*

    1. Re:Time zones by nharmon · · Score: 4, Funny

      You didn't know GMT and PST were off 8 hours and 1 second?

  3. Downloads per user by r_glen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So how many unique users does that translate to? Anyone with a reasonable estimate?

    1. Re:Downloads per user by MarkByers · · Score: 4, Informative

      Seeing as I am downloading it directly from portage, this will not be counted by their download counter. I guess that many of the other posters have forgotten this and have probably underestimated the number of unique users by excluding most Linux users.

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    2. Re:Downloads per user by Given+M.+Sur · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why do so many Gentoo users get this confused.

      Gentoo does not host the packages that you download. They host the ebuilds and the ebuilds tell portage where to download the packages from.

      So, you downloaded it directly from mozilla. Check the ebuild yourself if you don't believe me.

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    3. Re:Downloads per user by MarkByers · · Score: 2, Informative

      OK, I checked and you are right. From the ebuild:

      SRC_URI="http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/ fi refox/releases/${MY_PV}/source/firefox-${MY_PV}-so urce.tar.bz2"

      Sorry! But I bet some distros host their own copies?

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    4. Re:Downloads per user by thephotoman · · Score: 2, Informative

      Indeed, they do. Most of the Debian-based distros use a Debian build hosted by either the Debian Foundation or the distro's supporting company (for example, Ubuntu's version of the .deb and the Ubuntu Backports project's .deb for Firefox are both hosted on their own respective servers).

      Also, if you want an RPM build, you've got to get that yourself, unless things have changed since the last time I ran an RPM-based distro. I'm not sure about Autopackage's hosting, but it's probably on Mozilla's servers.

      Gentoo is the only distribution that I can think of off the top of my head with its own independent (not tar.gz/tar.bz/tar.bz2) package management system that takes from the project's servers.

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    5. Re:Downloads per user by Finsterwald+P+Ogleth · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think Asa had a blog entry on this...

      The download counter only counts "foreign" browsers (like IE, or Opera), or Versions before 1.0.

      If you download a new installer with a current (1.0 or >) version, it won't count.

      There goes most of the theories about counts surmised above...

      We're probably seeing a realistic download count for unique users for non-current versions...

      FPO

  4. Who's going to swim? by elcid73 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Seems you need a swimmer now to cross some large body of water

    1. Re:Who's going to swim? by Eccles · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, this is a community project. We all need to swim a lap. (Which, face it, is more exercise than most slashdotters get...)

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  5. Small nit to pick... by pegr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    On four different machines sitting in front of me, the counter is off by about 500 between the lowest and the highest. \

    While the counter is cute, I'd call it a bogometer. :)

    1. Re:Small nit to pick... by geeber · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I also like how the counter increments at constant regular intervals. Seems like firefox is being downloaded precisely once every second.

      I would hardly seems like it could be the actual number in real time.

    2. Re:Small nit to pick... by poningru · · Score: 3, Funny

      perhaps its loading from your cache? no that cant be it. That makes too much sense

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    3. Re:Small nit to pick... by pegr · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's labeled "Actual Number" (implying that's a real download number).

      Guess they got me on a technicality. That's an "actual number" alright!

    4. Re:Small nit to pick... by br0ck · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Look at the js source, it increments each second, but it uses XMLHttpRequest to look up and correct to the actual value once per minute.

      http://www.spreadfirefox.com/ffcounter.js

    5. Re:Small nit to pick... by _xeno_ · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you look at the source, you'll see that it is actually pulling a real number from an RSS feed.

      It then defaults to 2 downloads a second, incrementing the timer by that rate every second. When it grabs the feed again a minute later, it then uses the "real" rate of downloads from the first grab to the second grab and starts incrementing by that amount.

      It then continues to do that for as long as the page is up.

      So the number is real-ish.

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    6. Re:Small nit to pick... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny


      It's 2005 now, the term is AJAX!

  6. Swim... by nacturation · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does this mean Stallman will swim across the Atlantic 50 times?

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    1. Re:Swim... by clem · · Score: 5, Funny

      That would constitute a bath, so I'm afraid it's out of the question.

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    2. Re:Swim... by Aeron65432 · · Score: 2, Funny

      He should do it. The less he can screw around with the GPL (making corporations pay, licensing documents that use GPL fonts) the better GNU/GPL is. ;D

  7. Now by jb.hl.com · · Score: 4, Funny

    Swim that fucking ocean, bitch!

    Erm, wrong browser. Whoops.

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  8. To be fair.... by ActionJesus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have downloaded firefox like 30 times. Due to installs, re-installs, upgrades, downgrades, and just for the hell of it, it mounts up. Not to say this isnt an achievement... one of my progects is currently on about 50 downloads, after 3 years. But still, I'd like to see more concrete numbers than downloads. Gratz, ffox :)

  9. Just remember by computerme · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have download it 3 times for the same machine.

    (1.0. - 1.0.3)

    I am sure others have done the same.

    I got a cold splash in the face last week when i told my client they should be using firefox. They responed "what's firefox"

    Its a little too early to break out the "IE is dead" champagne...

    I hope it will happen someday but there is much more work to be done.

    1. Re:Just remember by rainman_bc · · Score: 2, Informative

      AFAIK FF updates itself now... At least on Windowz.... FC gets its updates from YUM / up2date, so that shouldn't register either.

      In fact, many distros include FF so that doesn't even count on the download numbers.

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  10. Opera has 49 million or so to go to catch up. by elcid73 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I can't wait for them to do it :)

    1. Re:Opera has 49 million or so to go to catch up. by PaxTech · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not over til the fat lady sings.

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  11. Slightly Inflated? by PocketPick · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The large amount of downloads are great, but how many of those downloads simply were the same users downloading updates: v1.0, v1.0.1, v1.0.2 and v1.0.3? I'd be interested in knowing how many of those downloads correspond to unique users. After all, that's really what is most important.

    1. Re:Slightly Inflated? by ArsonSmith · · Score: 3, Informative

      Probably no where near the number of users that have it from their FC2 and FC3 disks or by apt-get install firefox or emerge firefox. I'd guess it is close to even.

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  12. Re:It's Good to be the King by ksaville00 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does anyone actually know how many visits slashdot gives a site that is on posted on the front page? any guesses?

  13. Harder #s? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Who's got real webserver stats with % FireFox vs IE, Safari, Mozilla, Netscape et al?

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    1. Re:Harder #s? by Jason+Earl · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is what OneStat has to say.

    2. Re:Harder #s? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Informative


      1. Microsoft IE 86.63 %
      2. Mozilla Firefox 8.69 %
      3. Apple Safari 1.26 %
      4. Netscape 1.08 %
      5. Opera 1.03 %


      Am I wrong to be surprised that straight Mozilla (not the FireFox edition) doesn't even register, while Opera does?

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  14. AMAZING by dingDaShan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was wondering what the market share is compared to IE? I am finding that IE is used so much because it is convenient and not because people haven't heard of Firefox. Once I show somebody firefox and what it can do, they realize the error of their ways.

  15. Does this include yesterday by stoolpigeon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yesterday I ran the little 'check for updates now' deal and apparently there were some for firefox itself as it downloaded the whole installer, ran through the whole thing and reset my home page.

    Do these downloads count? If so-- then every time there is an update you are really ramping up your numbers due to current users getting it.

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    1. Re:Does this include yesterday by asa · · Score: 5, Informative

      We're not counting downloads served by the Firefox update system. Neither are we counting the millions of downloads from download.com (they actually host Firefox as well) or from other download repositories. We're also not counting people who go directly to FTP without going through our "bouncer" tool (the app that directs you to the most appropriate mirror). There's lots we're not counting here. It's not meant to be a count of users. It's just a measure of how many people use our system to download Firefox.

      - A

  16. The 50 millionth person by truthsearch · · Score: 3, Funny

    Shouldn't we send the person who did that download some flowers or balloons or something? Imagine being that guy, walking around town, "Yeah, that 50 millionth was me!" and everyone responding "Yeah, sure...". We should make it like the reward you get for being the 1,000th person to buy something in a new supermarket.

    1. Re:The 50 millionth person by asa · · Score: 3, Informative

      Shouldn't we send the person who did that download some flowers or balloons or something?

      Actually, we're rewarding the members of the Firefox community who helped that guy find Firefox. The big prize will go to the Spread Firefox affiliate who delivered the click that coincided with the 50 millionth download. http://www.spreadfirefox.com/fifty.html

      - A

  17. Celebrate--giving their history.... by FerretFrottage · · Score: 4, Funny

    I would have expected them to change the name after 50,000,000 downloads.

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  18. slashdotted already (article text) by h4ter · · Score: 5, Funny

    50,037,604
    50,037,605
    50,037,606
    50,037,607
    50,037,608
    50,037,609
    50,037,610
    50,037,611
    50,037,612
    50,037,613
    50,037,614

  19. In Internet Explorer by bobbis.u · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And it can't be a coincidence that the page doesn't display properly in Internet Explorer!!

    1. Re:In Internet Explorer by El+Cubano · · Score: 4, Informative

      And it can't be a coincidence that the page doesn't display properly in Internet Explorer!!

      Look here. This Page Is Valid XHTML 1.0 Strict! No conspiracy theories around here. Valid HTML is difficult to get looking right in IE.

  20. Hey, it says "actual number"--so it has to be! by Black+Perl · · Score: 5, Informative

    I just saw the counter go down. Cool, they're even counting "returns".

    Actually, the javascript only updates once a minute, and when it does, it computes a new rate, so the increments you see are only estimates until the next update.

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    1. Re:Hey, it says "actual number"--so it has to be! by Iamthefallen · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Yep, The JavaScript grabs the numbers from a XML file and does an estimate on the rate of downloads per minute. The XML file in turn is updated once a minute or so.

      Not quite real time.

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  21. Firefox does not 'auto update' by Yankel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've updated FireFox on my in-law's Window's box three times now. Each time, the 'upgrade' consisted of downloading the new install executable to the desktop and running it.

    The new installation overwrites the old one, keeping your various settings (history, bookmarks, etc.) in tact.

    It would be interesting to find out how many of those downloads were resulting from the upgrade prompt (red arrow). Hopefully, that's already been factored in.

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  22. At this rate they will reach it in 1.5 years by digitaldc · · Score: 2, Funny

    At this rate (about 2 downloads a second) they should reach 100,000,000 downloads by August 2006 or a little less than a year and a half from now.
    Go go firefox!

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  23. We have identified this user ? by thrill12 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Uh oh, Firefox has instantaneously tracked down the user that clicked for the 50th million download ?

    Along with coin #1 in the series, we are also awarding a very special prize--the biggest we've ever given out--to the lucky SpreadFirefox affiliate who delivered the golden click that went with the 50 millionth download. We have identified this person and will withhold her information until she accepts the prize. Check back early next week!

    I wonder how they did it...
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    Subject: Firefox 50th million download

    Hi, we are from spreadfirefox.com and have identified the 50th million firefox downloader as coming from ip UUU.XXX.YYY.ZZZ.
    Please give us his/her name and address so we can contact him/her to give them this prize !

    Thank you in advance,

    Firefox team

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    1. Re:We have identified this user ? by asa · · Score: 4, Informative

      We're not celebrating the person who made the download. We're celebrating the community and the specific community member who helped deliver that new user to Firefox. See the affiliate program at SpreadFirefox.com http://www.spreadfirefox.com/

      - A

  24. Re:Are all versions of Firefox included? by asa · · Score: 3, Informative

    If your download went through the URLs listed in these links, and you're not talking about using Firefox's built-in update service, then your download was probably counted. http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/all.html

    If your download did not go through one of those links, then you aren't counted.

    - A

  25. What does it mean ? by Jules+Labrie · · Score: 2, Insightful
    There are millions of Linux users who download or get it from distributions. So the community is actually much greater. What's really important is:

    1. The market share

    2. The community's active participation into the project.

    I don't see what it brings to say there is '50.000.000' downloads, this is just marketing for the average user.

    1. Re:What does it mean ? by asa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Jules, a big point that you're missing is that this is a celebration for that community of active participants who have helped Firefox achieve these downloads. Are open source projects supposed to discourage their communities from celebrating milestones?

      - A

  26. easy by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 2, Funny
    estimate the percentage of windows boxes that have downloaded firefox, say X% multiply X% times the number of downloads X%*N, now here comes the tricky part. Estimate the % of types of windows boxes. This will tell you approximately how many times a user has installed due to crashes. in other words, lets say we get 60% * N. which would be 30,000,000 on windows. ok lets say 30% of those are Windows XP, it's pretty stable so lets say a factor of 1.8 (due to unpatched boxen, bootlegs, etc). so we get 9,000,000/1.8 = 5,000,000 unique windows xp downloads.

    on Windows ME the factor would probably be around 15, so saying 50% windows ME boxes - we would get 30,000,000*0.5/15 = 1,000,000 unique downloads.

    So accounting for 0.6(windows)*(0.5 ME + 0.3 XP) = 48% of downloads we actually only have 6,000,000 unique downloads due to instability problems with windows.

  27. Re:Are all versions of Firefox included? by asa · · Score: 5, Informative

    I should add a minor correction, that page lists the current version, so if you got 1.0, 1.0.1, or 1.0.2 from similar links, you'll also be counted. All those links go through our mirror tool that distributes load across our dozens of mirrors. We're not counting downloads that don't go through that tool.

    - A

  28. Re:Good and bad. by ssj_195 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It's bad that a quality piece of open source software is getting the recognition it deserves, because it will fall even faster than IE to surreptitious purveyors of spyware and virii taking advantage of the source to discover new ways to subvert our web browsers without our knowledge.
    Good - I say "bring it". Because whereas spyware developers have to spend *weeks* poring over the massive, already heavily-audited code-base looking for exploits, and then days to weeks tailoring a piece of code to exploit it and distributing the malicious code, the Firefox developers who actually have intimate knowledge of how Firefox works will probably have a fix within hours. With the upcoming trouble-free patching in Firefox 1.1, a fix will probably be distributed within days of an exploit hitting. And so the arms-race continues, but the Firefox team (who are more dedicated to their product than Microsoft were to IE) will always have the upper hand as the majority of vulnerabilites are far easier to patch than they are to craft and distribute an exploit for.
  29. "May it go on swiftly to 100,000,000!" by TheoGB · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "May it go on swiftly to 100,000,000!"

    Okay, I'll probably get modded out of the place for this but it's just a fucking browser, not the second coming. It doesn't give oral sex and it's not Half-Life fucking 2.

    I've got it installed here and at work. I still end up using IE most of the time, to be honest. I only notice a difference when I'm trying to sort out my Stylesheets so they work on both browsers (and IE really needs to sort its shit out there).

    Long may FireFox continue because IE's quality really began to dip when Nutscrape disappeared. A bit of competition is healthy but for most browsing IE does the same job just as well...

  30. Re:Good and bad. by Changa_MC · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Then why is Apache (open source) the most secure and the most popular webserver?

    Maybe (gasp) because OSS works!!!

    Back off Billy, your sily jedi mind tricks have no effect on me.

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  31. Re:Good and bad. by k0de · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There are other considerations. What will the turnaround be on creating and approving spyware fixes? Even once they are available will ff be able to complete with ie/windows update for pushing fixes? Or worse again will there be a dependence on users to install updates? Don't expect such diligence on the part of My Parents(tm). And how much damage will be done in the meantime?

    There's the argument that ff hasn't seen the spyware pain that ie has, and may not be equipped to deal with the issues. M$ has the experience, and subsequent versions of ie are getting smarter at dealing with these problems, not to mention their new anti-spyware tool.

    Don't expect the 'open source' tag to make everything happy day. FF's popularity will bring it a nice slice of problems, and I fully expect to see the ff community following ie's lead on solving those problems.

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  32. Re:It's Good to be the King by maotx · · Score: 4, Informative

    Does anyone actually know how many visits slashdot gives a site that is on posted on the front page? any guesses?

    The guy who did the Christmas and Haloween lights prank did a rather nice analysis on the incoming bandwidth from Slashdot and other media sites.

    Pasted below is Slashdot's statistics:

    5 min: 781
    10 min: 1,604
    1 hour: 11,699
    2 hours: 21,651
    4 hours: 35,895
    8 hours: 53,720
    24 hours: 90,607
    2 days: 94,830
    week: 98,054
    month: 117,210

    Take it with a grain of salt though...the analysis might be another hoax ;)

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  33. Update: Opera by ggvaidya · · Score: 2, Informative

    According to the website, Jon had to turn back. He was swimming with his PR manager who was in a raft, but after the raft sprung a leak Jon had to rescue him, sadly ending his Atlantic crossing in the meantime.

    Quite a funny writeup, my favourite:
    "As much as I don't want to talk behind a colleague's back, there is no doubt that we would never have let Eskil assist Jon in the raft had we known he can neither swim nor read maps," says an embarrassed Tor Odland, Opera's Communications Director.

  34. I call B.S. on you by lheal · · Score: 2, Insightful
    it will fall even faster than IE to surreptitious purveyors of spyware and virii taking advantage of the source to discover new ways to subvert our web browsers without our knowledge.

    I don't think that will happen, for several reasons:

    1. One of the design goals of Firefox is preventing viruses and such from using it to attack your computer. IE doesn't have design goals, it has "security features".
    2. The source code for Mozilla has be available for what, 5 years now? Your imagined plague of Mozilla virii and spyware hasn't happened yet.
    3. The source code is available to the good guys, too. That means that bugs can and will be found before anyone ever tries to exploit them.
    4. The source code is available to the good guys, too. That also means that bugs can be fixed more quickly. It's not magic: finding a bug is the time-consuming part. With lots of people looking, identifying the exact nature of the bug becomes much easier. Once the exact nature of the bug is known, coding around it is less painful and happens faster.
    5. Firefox is an application, not part of the OS.
    6. There are lots easier ways to develop and spread viruses than scouring the Firefox source code.
    7. Many of those writing viruses do it for the glory factor - just to think that they did something "important". Yeah, it's stupid, but at least they aren't doing it for greed. Anyway, for some of these folks there will be stronger motivation to do get credit for supplying a patch than there would be to release a virus.
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  35. Wonder what other gecko browsers would bring it to by Sark666 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Since going to Gnome, I've ended up using galeon.
    It has proper session support, it has proper theme support, and it solved my flash slowdown issues with certain sites that I've always had in FF.
    I initially read that that was a gtk2 bug, but later read it was due to an XUL overhead issue.

    The other gnome browser, epiphany, is also an option and the default gnome, I just found galeon more feature complete instead of the minimalist approach of epiphany.

    Anyway, it's all gecko with just different packaging. And there's also that Kmelon one on the windows side. So I wonder what that would bring the downloads with considering all gecko browsers. Obviously pretty hard to keep track of in linux when one rarely downloads from the actual site.

  36. Meanwhile, at Opera... by ReadParse · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... CEO Jon S. von Tetzchne continues to prepare to drown a ridiculous and cold death in the north Atlantic Ocean.

    RP

  37. Re:Actual number ... yeah ... right. by blakeross · · Score: 3, Informative

    The counter syncs with the "actual number" every 60 seconds, which means it will never be more than a couple hundred downloads off at any given time, and in fact it's usually very accurate once it's been running for a minute. Surely you don't expect us to poll our servers every tenth of a second, right?

    Given the inherent margin of error with the "ACTUAL actual number," and the fact that we're dealing with a number as high as 50 million downloads and a delta as low as about 200, our consciences are quite clean labelling this the "actual number." We average around 240 downloads/minute.

    Somehow I don't think we'd have linked to the page that describes exactly how the counter is implemented in the footer of the letter if we were trying to hide that information.