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Microsoft Taps Bloggers to Promote Longhorn

Tim writes "With Beta 1 of Longhorn less than two months away, Microsoft is looking at a new marketing tool to help promote its new Windows: bloggers. According to BetaNews, Microsoft's "Team 99" evangelism effort will be composed of bloggers that will become Microsoft's voice to the masses. Robert Scoble said Team 99 was once secret, but has been revived and Microsoft is now accepting nominations. It's nice to see Microsoft recognizing the power of blogs, but the move is likely going to draw accusations that Redmond is trying to buy off bloggers to hype Longhorn."

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  1. Weird names by maotx · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...Longhorn...Team 99....how do they come up with these unusual names?
    My favorite quote FTA (and I'm not making this up):

    "Longhorn got its name from the bar that's between Whistler and Blackcomb up in British Columbia. 99 is the road you drive from my house to get up to the Longhorn bar. So, Team 99 is the team that'll take us to Longhorn's launch," he said.

    And people make fun of Linux names!

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    1. Re:Weird names by 0x461FAB0BD7D2 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'll take Sarge or Woody over Bob or Clippy any day.

    2. Re:Weird names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      That bar now has a case for sueing for copyright / trademark inringment...

      MS said they stole the name from a bar.

    3. Re:Weird names by lilmouse · · Score: 5, Funny
      "And people make fun of Linux names!"
      • Ubuntu - Humanity for others - in my OS?
      • Gentoo - I know there's something about a cow involved
      • Mandrivel (Mandriva? Condrake?) - Ok, Mandrake was at least a cool name, but come on
      • Slackware - at least they're honest!

      Note I didn't even get to any of those lesser distributions with funny names...

      Even better, those are the names of the distributions - some have funny names for their versions, too!

      So, yes, people make fun of Linux names.

      --LWM

    4. Re:Weird names by Taladar · · Score: 3, Informative

      Gentoo is some penguin species.

    5. Re:Weird names by MrAnnoyanceToYou · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, now that bar has a case for 'defamation of character' as well... in five years, I bet I will be scared of drinking in a bar called the 'Longhorn' due to worries about the roof leaking, the stools having random stuff on them from the last person who used them, the prices being high, and an uneasy feeling that the whole structure was so unsound it could fall down on my head - oversized supporting timbers and all - at any time.

    6. Re:Weird names by caluml · · Score: 4, Informative

      Gentoo is a type of penguin. I found this out when I went to Bristol zoo to see the albino penguin there - which is very rare. I emailed Linus to ask if we should destroy this monstrosity, but he said that it was allowed to be different. So it lived.

  2. A little bit of history by Raul654 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Microsoft doesn't have the best record in this area, having been caught astroturfing numerous times. At least when you read an 'official' blog, you are aware that you are getting cooperate propaganda.

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  3. Shills by teiresias · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Whoever is part of this "Team 99" will be consider shills and rightly so. There's one thing using the Internet to express your point of view. It's quite another to extol a companies product for their backing.

    If this group was treated as an unbiased reviewers, I'd have more sympathy but as it is, it seems just another corrupted media.

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    1. Re:Shills by JPelorat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Eh.. anyone with a positive outlook on Longhorn is gonna get called a shill (especially here), their contract status with Microsoft notwithstanding.

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    2. Re:Shills by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If this group was treated as an unbiased reviewers, I'd have more sympathy but as it is, it seems just another corrupted media.

      If you RTFA, it appears that they're well aware of the drubbing they took from their last showing to a handful of bloggers, and are expecting the annointed "team 99" crowd to expressly do more of the same, as they get feedback from the wider community. If the software is crap, what possible good will it do MS to pump up demonstrably false notions about the presence or absence of a feature, only to have it turn out not to be true when everybody gets to look at the release? They seem to be going to a lot of trouble to announce, well in advance, that they're going to skip over certain features, or delay others. The bloggers will be an echo chamber for some of that, and a feedback channel. Other than the NDA (which presumably these folks will actually read before signing!), I don't sense any means by which MS would be able to make someone convey a better impression of the OS than they've personally experienced. I work with an MS partner (our firm sells accounting apps and does large scale systems integration, among other things), and we play very much the same role - we scream at MS when end users scream at us, and we preach the solutions when we're comfortable with them ourselves.

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    3. Re:Shills by tbone1 · · Score: 4, Funny
      Eh.. anyone with a positive outlook on Longhorn is gonna get called a shill (especially here), their contract status with Microsoft notwithstanding.

      Shill!

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  4. Mistake by dtfinch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's a good idea to recruit bloggers to advertise your product.
    It's not a good idea to publicize that you're doing it.

    1. Re:Mistake by ssj_195 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      It never ceases to amaze me how, despite its vast wealth, Microsoft somehow manages to hire the absolute worst PR department in the world. Whether they are threatening to sue penniless Biochem students who have broken none of their laws or EULAs, flagrantly inventing people and their pro-microsoft testimonials, or making thinly veiled threats to whole countries about what will happen if they switch to Linux, their cack-handedness and lack of any kind of sophistication, subtlety or sensitivity simple boggles the mind.

      Having said that, per your original point - the PR nightmares that stem from being caught astro-turfing are worse than if you publicly announce that that is what you are doing in advance. It's still a really dumb idea, though. Oh well.

    2. Re:Mistake by drsquare · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Worst PR department? They've managed to keep a relatively clean reputation despite releasing countless shitty, worthless operating systems. Even their latest and greatest XP is full of flaws, and needs constant service packs to prevent it falling to pieces. Yet people will be queueing up to buy this next one. Sounds like a great PR department to me. This blogging thing will probably be a success.

    3. Re:Mistake by learn+fast · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh, how many gmail invites did you request or give out via your blog?

      Just an observation that most bloggers I know or read were ingeniously suckered into giving gmail free advertising.

  5. MS is innovative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    They just created Astro-blogging!

  6. Astroturf, Anyone? by MrAnnoyanceToYou · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There was an article posted less than a week ago about PR companies harnessing bloggers.... Gee, maybe Microsoft DOES read Slashdot.

    1. Re:Astroturf, Anyone? by pieterh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hah! Microsoft have been astroturfing Slashdot for ages.

      It's quite noticeable, but not very effective. There are a number of users who post straight-out pro-Microsoft comments without any hint of irony. Such as "people hack IE only because it is popular", or "Microsoft make excellent software".

      Then, there are the astro-moderators, who will mod-down obvious anti-Microsoft comments. These are quite common but usually get hammered out in meta-moderation.

      Lastly, there are the trolls who take delight in disrupting the serious ongoing conversations at Slashdot. I'd not be surprised to discover that some of these are sponsored by Microsoft.

      Yes, Microsoft reads Slashdot.

    2. Re:Astroturf, Anyone? by jericho4.0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'll second this. Some pro-MS comments seem straight out of a brochure, and I have a really hard time imagining someone with technical knowledge actually saying what they say.

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    3. Re:Astroturf, Anyone? by zulux · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Such as "people hack IE only because it is popular",

      I'll ad another:

      The "XP is only crashes becuase of all the different hardware it supports" astroturfer.

      the completly miss the fact that FreeBSD, NetBSD and Linux support most of the x86 hardware that XP does --- AND PowerPC AND Sparc AND Aplha AND Mips etc....

      *BSD and Linux manage to be stable, why can XP??? Hmmmmm...

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  7. Likely? by JohnTheFisherman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... It's nice to see Microsoft recognizing the power of blogs, but the move is likely going to draw accusations that Redmond is trying to buy off bloggers to hype Longhorn."

    That's a safe bet - MS could release a patch for XP that cured cancer and they'd still be accused of doing something underhanded. ;)

    1. Re:Likely? by justforaday · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, because while the patch cures cancer, it'll end up giving you syphilis instead...

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  8. How many Slashdot accounts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've often wondered how many Slashdot accounts are operated by paid shills and their ilk.

    1. Re:How many Slashdot accounts? by justforaday · · Score: 5, Funny

      *looks around and slowly raises hand*

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  9. Re:Free Advertising by geoffspear · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It's not free advertising, and it's not opinion.

    It's paid-for advertising maskerading as opinion. It's misleading and unethical, and incredibly stupid of them to admit they're going to do it.

    I, for one, after reading this, wouldn't trust the opinion of anyone who says in their blog that they like Longhorn; who's to say whether they actually used it and thought it was good, or if Microsoft paid them to lie about it?

    All this does is create an environment where you can assume that bad reviews are probably objective, and that good reviews are quite possibly just advertising.

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  10. Is this the same Microsoft... by hazee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    that just the other day was reported as threatening people who posted screenshots of Longhorn?

    Which is it to be? Do they want it publicised or not?

    No, let me guess; only favourable publicity.

  11. Longhorn Rocks! by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 5, Funny
    Longhorn is the best operating system I have ever used. It is a snappy and feature rich envrionment that allows me to leverage my work schedule and makes leisure time a joy. I don't know what I ever did without it.

    It also follows the long Microsoft tradition of providing an innovative product that people not only want to use, but actually look forward to using.

    Longhorn truly completes me. And I say this as a former Linux power user for the last twenty years. Really. Now I know that Linux blows and it has nothing to do with that bimonthly check from Redmond. Nothing. Really.

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    1. Re:Longhorn Rocks! by killjoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are doing it all wrong. YOu have to say something like this...

      "I really like linux but lets face it it's not ready for grandma. Nobody wants to compile a kernel just to make a game work and besides gimp is not nearly good as photoshop. Oh and autocad doesn't run on linux.

      Windows used suck but it's never crashed on me since 2000 came out and let's face it XP has solved all the security issues with windows.

      I love linux and sometimes its fun to spend five hours messing with config files but I use windows when I just want to get things done. "

      The trick is to pretend you like linux while saying bad things about it.

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  12. Sure, I'll blog about Longhorn ... by Buran · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... and how much more I prefer working on my Mac. I don't outright refuse to use Windows - I've used all three major platforms - I just honestly and simply do prefer OS X. Lack of security headaches is a large part of that. MS still hasn't been able to keep the crackers out. When they totally redo their OS to be more secure, I'll feel more comfortable about using it.

    1. Re:Sure, I'll blog about Longhorn ... by drsquare · · Score: 3, Funny

      I bought my OWN iPod. Get off your lazy asses, you cheapskates. It's not THAT hard.

      Actually, it IS. Have you seen the price of those things? You need to be like a millionaire to buy one. For what you get for your money, they should be about £50. Although it doesn't matter to me, I stole mine from some kid who wasn't exactly being discreet about the fact that he had one. Note: change the headphones. They look awful and showy, and just lead to muggings.

  13. Time of Death: 10:30 AM EST, 2 May 2005 by Bob9113 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "It's nice to see Microsoft recognizing the power of blogs, but the move is likely going to draw accusations that Redmond is trying to buy off bloggers to hype Longhorn."

    Blogging was nice while it lasted. Corporations are quickly going to flood the channel with paid content. If you think the PR machine is powerful in major media, which has lots of people looking for bias, has some regulation, and which does not see $10,000 as any more than pocket change, think what's going to happen to blogs over the next five years.

    Suppose Coca-Cola offered to pay Joe Blogpack $2,500 to do a column talking about a dead rat found in a storage container at a Pepsi bottling facility, how quickly do you think he would jump? Do you think he would care if the story is true? And if he did, would he have access to the resources to find out if it's true? Suppose news.google.com is running 200 links to other bloggers who didn't take the time to fact check - our honorable Joe Blogpack checks his facts against the tainted stories and even thinks he's doing the right thing.

    1. Re:Time of Death: 10:30 AM EST, 2 May 2005 by faust2097 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Suppose Coca-Cola offered to pay Joe Blogpack $2,500 to do a column talking about a dead rat found in a storage container at a Pepsi bottling facility, how quickly do you think he would jump? Do you think he would care if the story is true? And if he did, would he have access to the resources to find out if it's true? Suppose news.google.com is running 200 links to other bloggers who didn't take the time to fact check - our honorable Joe Blogpack checks his facts against the tainted stories and even thinks he's doing the right thing.

      And this, kids, is the difference between 'reporting' and 'journalism'. We've just had our standards lowered by the willingness of our mainstream media to report anything - rumors, opinions, lightly edited press releases, as "news" and run on to the next hot topic and pray that you don't change the channel during the ads.

      Blogging isn't going to replace journalism because of these exact problems. Blogging might do a lot of harm to the mainstream US news media but it's their own damn fault for abandoning true journalism and resorting to showing the same video clip everyone else has, just 2 minutes earlier and with more sensationalistic or opinionated commentary.

      "The news is just a TV show, get past it" - Dilated Peoples
  14. Re:How much are they offering? by MisanthropicProgram · · Score: 4, Funny

    You know, you have to wonder. If you gave a shitty review, would they let keep your Longhorn 99 or whatever status? I'd be more than happy to start a blog to promote MS products if they paid me! Then I can buy that Mac I've always wanted!

  15. So what? by pangel83 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Slashdot has been doing the same for Linux

    1. Re:So what? by kbmccarty · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Slashdot has been doing the same for Linux

      People are getting paid to hype up Linux on Slashdot? Funny, they must have forgotten to mail my check...

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      - Kevin B. McCarty
  16. This isn't too surprising by joepez · · Score: 3, Interesting
    This tactic isn't anything new. About a year and a half ago I was working with a publisher and this was just one of our tactics to promote a game. We were placing information about the game in select blogs (as well as actively tracking embedded keywords) across sites to monitor our game's buzz.

    What we were doing wasn't all that sophisticated (we had an evangelist program as well, which who were far better than us at promoting our messages). There were several viral advertising firms out there that were posting in fake blogs, in real blogs, on multiple forums using fake ids, etc.

    While you could argue that viral marketing of this sort is unethical or at least questionable, it really is no different than paying people to walk around with your product in public. Online viral marketing, and placement in a blog, is just another form of PR placement.

    Of course there is an ethical question to be answered if blogs are truly a form of news protected by the laws and practices of journalists. If that's the case than these blogs are practicing yellow journalism, which would then throw into question their role as independent journalists (then again if you can find me a 100% untainted all the time news source these days I'd be pretty impressed (especially if they have over 100 readers)).

  17. Indeed, leverage. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Compared to Linux, Longhorn is an extensible paradigm shift in operating systems that is designed to facility business agility while improving new customer acquisition. Offering the most secure federation based authenticity validation system Longhorn improves the value proposition while streamlining your business processes and enhancing shareholder value.

    Longhorn r0x0rz and Linux sux0rz.

  18. Re:Free Advertising by Strudelkugel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Shocking! Shocking! A blogger might have an agenda? Next thing you know, there will be gambling in the casino, and prayer in the church...

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  19. I don't know what you're ... by MisanthropicProgram · · Score: 5, Funny
    talking about. Microsoft (TM) makes the best software on the planet - ever - they don't need paid shills at all. The quality and excellence of Microsoft products are second to none! Such as

    Microsoft Office

    Microsoft XP

    Microsoft Flight Simualtor

    and any other Microsoft products out there!

  20. Will Blog For Cash... by feloneous+cat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And of course Microsoft's notorious "Mac to Windows" switcher website was the one the took the cake. What took them down was using a stock photo... Sheesh!

    I mean, really. How hard is it to find ONE photogenic woman in a company the size of Microsoft? Hell, Apple used a LOT of folks in their ads... And they didn't look like models either (nor did their words sound like PR text).

    Yup, look to a LOT of "Longhorn allows me to do things the way that make me more productive" blah blah blah...

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  21. Blogging down the tubes just like print media by crush · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At last we have a nice concrete example of a large corporation admitting that they're going to spread their propaganda through blogs. It seems like only a couple of weeks ago that I was reading an article about how blogging was the new trusted, untainted source of information as compared to magazine articles. Hmmm, I said to myself, that doesn't seem very believable. Looks like journalists for traditional print-media might get a second chance after all as being some sort of independent voice.

  22. Bill Gates' blog... by node+3 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Not worth my time [April 20th, 2005]

    Today at the airport I saw a $100 bill, but left it lying there. It's just not worth it.

    [Post a comment] [Trackback]

    Sweetest Thing [April 25th, 2005]

    Bono stopped by for a visit. You can never tell what he's thinking though. I think that's why he wears those sunglasses. Ballmer kept trying to iChat me like every five minutes trying to talk with Bono, but I didn't didn't want to completely negate the Bono's coolness, I know how he can get when he's excited.

    [Post a comment] [Trackback]

    Tiger Fever! [April 29th, 6:31PM]

    Just installed Tiger (waiting for the FedEx truck was *torture*!). I can't believe how great it is. I can't stop hitting F12. Oh, and Spotlight! I'll post a more in-depth review later. Until then, check out the one at Ars Technica, it's really good.

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  23. Yup by Greyfox · · Score: 5, Informative
    Back before Linux hit it big they were caught paying reporters to write favorable articles for Windows in the face of competition by OS/2. Particularly amusing was their attempt to look like they had a grass roots movement like Team OS/2 by bringing Microsoft employees to the '95 Atlanta COMDEX to pose as "Team Microsoft." I don't know what's more amusing; the fact that Microsoft has always had to pay people off to try to appear like they too have grassroots support or that they've been caught at it pretty much every time they've tried it.

    Microsoft marketing, if you're reading this, these marketing ploys just make you look pathetic. Stick to what you're good at and play up the heartless corporation aspect of your corporate image. Honestly...

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  24. Linux isn't proprietary... by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... the fact that Slashdot hypes it up is hardly surprising. If anything burns Microsoft it is that Slahsdot, a ton of other geek sites on the net and an army of bloggers hyped up Apple's OS.X 'Tiger' a proprietary OS without Apple having to pay them off.

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  25. "No secret stuff anymore" "sign an NDA" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Now, before today, Team 99 was secret. I've learned from my messups with Jim Allchin's dinner not to do secret stuff anymore. Make everything transparent. Transparency is good. [...]All will need to sign NDAs cause there are things in Longhorn that we don't want to leak out, but they'll be your proxies.

    WTF!!!!! They won't do secret stuff, but they legally obligate their volunteer shills to do secret stuff!!!! That's very funny.

    Remember, you can't spell propoganda without NDA.

  26. last call by SethJohnson · · Score: 4, Funny



    On the plus side, Last Call won't mean the end to your drinking at this bar. After they lock the doors, I'm sure there'll be windows or some other back entrance that can be easily opened back up.

  27. No, see... by abulafia · · Score: 3, Funny
    The way it works is, go to "start", select "drinking", in the dialog that pops up, select "stop", wait for the pink elephants to finish their dance, and then go to "go home".

    If that makes sense, you're too drunk, and should go home.

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  28. The possibility of real engagement. by argent · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was part of one of Microsoft's attempts at getting people who were active on the Internet involved. At the Pocket PC, Wireless, and Beyond shindig in 2000 Microsoft invited 35 people - mainly Palm users - who were active online to Redmond, gave them each a couple of Pocket PCs (and mailed them a couple more over the years), and asked for feedback.

    There was no NDA.

    There was no attempt to encourage people to be pro-Microsoft or even actively promote the product. I certainly wasn't, I was more than ready to highlight the shortcomings of the products, and they still kept me on their list and sent me units to try on.

    And most of all, they didn't just talk... they listened as well.

    Three things struck me:

    First, all the Palm users immediately got together and beamed all their contact info to each other. The Pocket PC users mostly didn't know how to do it, beaming was difficult and the handhelds were generally larger and less comfortable to use and even the Microsoft people on the handheld team didn't tend to have theirs with them.

    Second, getting the mail set up on the LAN they were demoing on was really hard. By the second try people were saying things like "this isn't supposed to be rocket science, and besides, we're all supposed to be rocket scientists".

    Third, the handwriting recognition was clumsy. It required a lot more strokes and a lot more tries to reliably recognise text, compared to Graffiti.

    The really amazing thing, the thing that made me a total fan of Beth Goza and Derek Brown was thet the next version of the Pocket PC software actually fixed all these problems. Not all the changes were improvements, and not all the problems we pointed out were fixed, but so many of them were I was stunned. In fact, since Palm replaced Graffiti with Jot the Pocket PC does a better job of implementing Graffiti than Palm OS does.

    Unfortunately, while they made many changes the Pocket PC still has all the deeper flaws that I wrote about back then. Oh well, this isn't about the Pocket PC. This is about Microsoft.

    What was key with the PPCWB shindig is that Microsoft set up a two-way discussion with us, and didn't try and control what we said in it or to other people. This wan't an "Astroturf" campaign, it was a real engagement with the community, and they got a huge win out of NOT creating a conduit for synthetic adulation.

    Microsoft's done it once. Can they do it again?