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Revenge of the Sith a "Blood Bath"
An anonymous reader writes "The BBC is reporting that the Revenge of the Sith is a blood bath and is to recieve a PG-13. One notable point from the article is Lucas is quoted as saying "But I have to tell a story. I'm not making these, oddly enough, to be giant, successful blockbusters. I'm making them because I'm telling a story, and I have to tell the story I intended." As he lit a cigar with a large stack of burning 20's."
With a PG-13 rating, parents will be forced to go with their children to watch the movie, so not only you get the expected children tickets, you now have as many adult tickets too, and the extra drink and popcorn sales. Truly a great success.
Now imagine if this superfan camping out for 139 days is under 13....
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Yuh-hunh. Sin City and Kill Bill Volume 1 move over, this one's a blood bath. OOOOooooo....
That's the problem with them damn Brits, they don't realize it's boobies in movies that's the real corrupting influence, not a little innocent killing and maiming.
Freaking Jedi mind tricks...
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If you've read the dog of a script, then you know that it's stunningly bloody. Don't click on that link if you don't want to know everything - the whole script is there.
But this is slashdot. A slashdoter who didn't build his own computer is like a Jedi who didn't build his own lightsaber!
...Jar Jar meets a painful demise, I am happy.
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From TFS:
Yeah...we know all about the story you intended, George.
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Ok...
I guess we need to figure out how we kill Jedi in a soft well meaning conservitive and correct manner. (They can't all whisk away to ghosts can they? What's that about anyway?)
Besides, I'd rather not watch an hour and a half of G.I. Joe style combat.
"You should always go to other people's funerals; otherwise, they won't come to yours." -- Yogi Berra
If it was really a blood bath, it would be rated R. There's probably not gonna be anything more violent here than what we saw in Spider-Man 2.
On the other hand, I think the previous two Star Wars movies have been some of the most violent PG-rated films since the introduction of the PG-13 rating in the 80s. So, if MPAA is continuing to rate Star Wars on a curve just because it's targetted at children, maybe my original analogy is wrong after all.
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...would love to see Jar Jar Binks' death scene.
Circumcision is child abuse.
I hate it when directors cut down a movie just for a rating. This is a good thing. "A lot of people saying how can you do this? My children love these movies. Why can you not let them go see it?" he said. He's not preventing them from seeing it. He's just warning the parents that it may not be suitable for them. The parents get to decide wether or not they want their children to see it.
In my state (NC), at least, PG-13 is not a binding rating.
(Theoretically) A 7 year old could walk up and get into it without a parent. It's not like R, where it is enforced parental guidence, it's just a strong SUGGESTION.
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Does this suprise anyone? We all know the story already. Darth Vader doesn't become Darth Vader with out some serious action. A clone army is not going to win a war with out a large loss of life. Yoda is not going to just leave the hot zone to live on some God forsaken swamp planet because a few people died. We've all know that it would take thousands and thousands of dead clones and mutilated Jedi.
On top of that, it has to be so bloody that we all lose hope. Otherwise, why would there be a "New" hope?
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I love it when a good plan comes together.
"But I have to tell a story. I'm not making these, oddly enough, to be giant, successful blockbusters."
Unfortunately, Luca is not a good story teller. He is great at effects and the details that bring a vision to life. He really needed Spielberg.
Of course, there WAS no such rating when the original trilogy was released - just G, PG, and R. That said, I don't think any of the originals would have qualfied even if there was such a rating (which lies between PG and R, for folks outide of the US)
Enforcement? Its not Childer under 13 not allowed without a parent, its "Parental Guidence suggested for children under 13".
Why would parents be forced to go with their children? The -13 on the PG is simply an advisory notation; G, PG, and PG-13 all have the same admission criteria: Anyone can see it, no adult supervision required.
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Unfortunately it won't stop parents from bringing their five year screaming, whining kids to the theaters so they can throw popcorn around and kick our seat backs. Of course if the movie's as ultraviolent as everyone's making it out to be, they'll just add to the illusion of debris flying through the air and the solid punch of the subwoofer.
"I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar."
-Hoban Washburn
* shrug *
My kids (age 13 and 17) have said they want to go see it. Last time they wanted to see a movie it was, um, I don't remember them ever both saying they wanted to see the same movie.
We'll go, probably the first weekend.
Go Darth!
(I just like to cheer for the winning side)
(Sorry for the spoiler)
(But anybody who's see Star Wars IV knew that already)
(We already know the ending. The only thing left to see is the blood!)
Raise your children as if you were teaching them to raise your grandchildren, because you are.
As if seeing Qui-Gon Jinn being run through and Darth Maul cut completely in half wouldn't be disturbing enough to some kids (or even a few adults)... or how about Anakin's hand arm being cut off? Or Luke's?
And those were just PG?
And some of the discussion between Anakin and Amidala about thier "first times"?
And that movie was NOT PG-13?
Lucas is using the whole ratings "controversy" as yet another way to get more free publicity!
And the media, and us, are eating it up...
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Actually, most (11 out of the top 20) of the top (domestic) grossing movies of all time have been PG-13 or higher.
Spoiler Alert: Jar Jar drowns during the MonCal Water Spectacular gurgling "OH NOES! ITSA BEESA TRAP!", while a young Ensign Ackbar holds up a sign reading "9.8".
To think that this movie is somehow more violent than *this* planet is amusing. It is a restless day in which somebody is not blown to smithereens in Iraq yet I am supposed to feel outraged that the new Star Wars movie earned a pg-13 rating?
My outrage well is dry for the moment. Sorry.
The best films, books, music, etc, have always been made for their creators, not aimed at some identifiable market. If Lucas is serious, and I doubt very much he is but live in hope, then this is good news. Very good news. It marks a possible return from the Dark Side.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
In the UK the film got a 12A rating from the BBFC (persons under 12 admited with an adult) as are increacingly more films
Local councils still have the right to change the rating policy for any film, but only rarely do so.
The consumer advice from the bbfc is "Contains moderate fantasy violence and scary scenes" although virtually every film has some advice (Finding Nemo "Contains mild peril")
I know, I know - it's just the old, "if you don't like it, SHUT UP!" || "if you like it then post on a fanboi forum! and SHUT UP" arguments.
But seriously, you cannot fault the technical achievements of these movies.
And I know that many (if not most) are of the opinion that movies are primarily about the characters and the story, but I am of very different taste.
you see, I am the kind of guy who sits down with EPII attack of the clones and pauses the corusant scenes and goes frame by frame through them to just admire all the amazing design and creation.
I love to stare in awe at the new particle systems, the accuracy of the human computer models and the beautiful, alien landscapes painted before my eyes.
But that's me, and I am of a small minority I know. I am that small minority that actually doesn't really care for chatty movies. Didn't really think the godfather was really all that. Never sees a movie unless there are spaceships and explosions - and then only if the movie is about that universe and not just the people in it.
Nevertheless I feel that those like me should have something of a voice.
There are three movie types in my world:
1) Movies about people
2) Movies about events
3) Movies about ideas
I prefer the order of importance to be 3,2,1 and Star Wars seems to fit that type for me quite well.
If people insist on going to see them regardless, then what incentive does he have to change his methodology? Many people on slashdot would go and see episode 3 if it was made from bad sock puppets and shoeboxes. Personally, I went and saw episode 1, came away disappointed and havent seen episode 2 yet, and I have no intentions of seeing episode 3 at all. I also havent bought any of the butchered 'remastered' versions of the origional trilogy for similiar reasons.
Lucas is quoted as saying "But I have to tell a story. I'm not making these, oddly enough, to be giant, successful blockbusters. I'm making them because I'm telling a story, and I have to tell the story I intended." As he lit a cigar with a large stack of burning 20's."
I won't begrudge him the darkness or the money so long as he kills all the fucking Gungans!
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Erm, linking to GPL "stolen" code would be great. The problem with such "stolen" code is you usually can't obtain it.
"Problem Child 2"? I'd say the theater did you a favor no matter what you age was.
"So why'd you leave Tatooine? Was it the desert?"
"No."
"The criminal element?"
"No."
"The poverty?"
"No."
"The slavery?"
"No."
"Well what was it?"
"Some jackass threw Jar Jar Binks into a pit of man-eating Sarlacc. He's been screaming 'Meesa needs help! Meesa ouchies! Help meesa!' for the last 300 years. Only 700 more to go."
I dunno, but I could have sworn I saw my ex in the scene. The staff with feathers on it and the bear-claw-laden necklace was throwing me off a little though.
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That's a good point. The ratings specify for R that children under 17 are not permitted, while parents are simply cautioned about inappropriate material for PG-13.
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Of course, this is all still voluntary. There's no legal enforcement. However, I do know some movie theaters enforce the R rating (as I mentioned originally).
Forget the whales - save the babies.
I guess statisics can be used to prove any point. :-)
Forget the whales - save the babies.
Still can't believe that there was a movie with Samuel L Jackson where he didn't say the words "fuck" or "shit".
Highly agreed, its amazing the crap 13 year olds will buy. And people try argue that they should have adult rights in some states. HAHAHA they shouldn't have the right to buy anything without parent permission for fear that they might encourage the next Britney Spears :)
I mean, like, satanic woodland creatures style?
...or maybe not.
Screenwriter magazine this month has an article on Star Wars. I spend my lunch hours in bookstores wayyyy too often.
Anyhow, the article is about how Lucas wanted to perpetuate the ties to mythic storytelling in his saga. Even though in '77, his initial interviews talked about little more than a Western in space, once the connections to Joseph Campbell's The Power of Myth started happening, Lucas didn't exactly go out of his way to deny it.
I wonder if that, more than anything, overly influenced the latter trilogy. The epic fall from grace. Suddenly, I have visions of Lucas sitting around reading Milton and having inner dialogs about why Satan gets all the zingy one liners.
There's a ton of ways to read into Star Wars. The ancient Sith / Jedi split invokes the Jesuits, right down to the robes and the dress. If you've read the final script, you know that (spoiler ahead)
Anakin forsees the death of his beloved again and again (in very vividly written scenes) and it torments him, as he wants his children, but it starts to drive him mad, and he agrees to become Sith only to gain the power to change the future and save the woman he loves. But, in the end, when he thinks Obi-Wan has betrayed him, he force chokes her and nearly kills her. in fact, Sidious tells him later that his force choke DID kill her, which drives him right over the edge.
There's a strong influence of Greek tragedy in this script. Cheating death, changing fate. Being at the height of your intellectual and phsyical powers in your late 20's, thinking that the world owes you, that you are the sole master of your destiny and finding your mortality is still all too real.
The script is brutal. If it's shot that way, it would be a stark departure from the first two. The final scene between Anakin and Obi-Wan was suprising in it's adultness. He falls into the lava, his legs are burning, he can't get up. He's clawing the sand... all of his conceits wash away. No more rationalizations of how totalitarianism is somehow more benign, he just cringes and screams at Obi-Wan, hs face twisted and red "I hate you!!!". Obi-Wan leans down, a tear streaming in his eyes and responds "I always loved you. Like a brother." and walks away leaving him to burn.
That's serious Campbell territory. The mentor relationship, the hero who fails the test because jealousy consumes him.
So, when Lucas says 'I needed to tell this story', what I really think is happening is that he needs to fufill the power of myth aspects. This film is a violent fable. The father falls, the son redeems him. His fall needs to be brutal and ultimately apolitical. Anakin doesn't want power for power's sake. He wants respect, he wants everyone to love him and adore him. He has a God complex. There are many levels there.
I have a feeling that this movie will leave everybody wondering all the ways the first two could be redone. Anakin should have picked up in his early 20's someplace NOT tattooine. His struggle as a slave, beaten and oppressed, would have forced him into spirituality (not chemistry) and a brutal desire for acceptance and hatred for oppression that ultimately twisted around until the only way he could fufill that was to become the oppressor.
Oh, and the scene where he kills all the padawans, that could have been brutal if it had a flashback to his slave days. As it is, it's just disturbing and the script invokes Columbine somewhat, with the imagery focusing on his black cloak.
Queen Amidala: Oh no! some invisible force has removed my clothing!! I must put on some clothing.
Degenerate Jedi: You don't need to put any clothes on (waves hand in front of face).
Queen Amidala: I don't need to put on any clothes...
Degenerate Jedi: Yeah know, they say once you go darkside you never go back.
(que cheesy sci-fi music with inappropriate back beat)
You get the idea.
"Capital punishment makes the state into a murderer. Imprisonment makes the state into a gay dungeon-master"
Yes could see that! Your eyes may bleed after watching George Lucas' latest atrocity against the StarWars franchise leaving you soaked in your own blood.
-- Relax it's just a joke!
George Lucas does not use cash to light his cigars. And I really wish people would stop characterizing him as such.
He uses the $20 bills as toilet paper (due to their cottony softness). He uses orignial Shakespearean manuscripts to light his cigars.
In the future, please be more sensitive.
"I should have done this with The Phantom Menace."
Exactly. I'm sick of being taken for a sucker by Lucas. That, and seeing Yoda hawking Pepsi and learning that Darth Vader like Kellog's Corn Flakes just about did it for me.
Oh, that and Jar Jar. My god that was horrible. How any self-respecting fan of science fiction can still watch anything made by the man responsible for Jar Jar is beyond me. I like my SF with an edge, not pussified like Lucas does it.
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"A lot of people saying how can you do this? My children love these movies. Why can you not let them go see it?"
The kids can go see it. Their parents/guardian just need to be present.
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This is good anyway. Last thing I want is another 7 year old girl screaming behind me like when Vader was pounding away on Luke in Cloud City during ESB (when it re-released back in theaters years ago). Of course it did add to the effect.
... What proof of age did you have on you at 13 years old?
In my day,
There was no PG-13 crap,
Drinking age was 18,
You could see Farrah Fawcett nekid in Saturn 3.
if you steal from one source, that is plagiarism, if you steal from many, well, that's just research.
In the orignal VHS trilogy release, Lucas states that the wookies were a race of primitives that help the rebels defeat the empire on endor.
When he chopped up the original story into three, he wasn't sure that he would make the second two, and really wanted to include a wookie, so he made chewbakka a co-pilot, and upped his intellegence to boot.
When it was time for ROTJ, he needed "wookies". Hence the birth of the ewoks. No doubt with some marketing help.
You could see Farrah Fawcett nekid in Saturn 3.
Yeah... The only redeeming quality in that God awful movie anyway.
- PG13 Titanic (1997) $1,835,300,000
- PG13 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003) $1,129,219,252
- PG Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (2001) $968,600,000
- PG Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999) $922,379,000
- PG13 The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (2002) $921,600,000
- PG13 Jurassic Park (1993) $919,700,000
- PG Shrek 2 (2004) $880,871,036
- PG Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (2002) $866,300,000
- G Finding Nemo (2003) $865,000,000
- PG13 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001) $860,700,000
- PG13 Independence Day (1996) $811,200,000
- PG13 Spider-Man (2002) $806,700,000
- PG Star Wars (1977) $797,900,000
- PG Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (2004) $789,458,727
- PG13 Spider-Man 2 (2004) $783,577,893
- G The Lion King (1994) $783,400,000
- PG E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982) $756,700,000
- R The Matrix Reloaded (2003) $735,600,000
- PG13 Forrest Gump (1994) $679,400,000
- PG13 The Sixth Sense (1999) $661,500,000
So obviously PG-13 doesn't hurt ticket sales much (if at all).That's very funny, that C3PO cerial. It's so bad it almost looks like a parody. Thanks, I needed a good laugh.
You are, of course right. Maybe I'm just becoming a bitter old man and are noticing these things more and finding them offensive, whereas before I could more easily ignore them. For whatever reason, even if it was as bad as when I was a kid and the original Star Wars came out, I find the whole thing disgusting and offensive to my elevated tastes.
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It's a little bit misleading to call Episode 3 "bloodbath" when there is not a single drop of blood anywhere in it. :) True, there are some severed limbs and heads and (very stylized) burnt flesh but all "cuts" are very clean and quick (the reasoning probably being that lightsabers automatically cauterize the wound). The terrors are mostly psychological, due to surprisingly good directing and few neat plot ideas. (E.g. we don't ever SEE Anakin killing the Jedi kids but we know very clearly he did it)
--- Frantisek Fuka (Yes, that's my real name and you have no idea how it's pronounced)
So, instead, a token effort is made to protect children from severed limbs - while natural parts of a healthy life are [censored].
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
FWIW, that list is completely useless. It doesn't take into account inflation, nor is it adjusted for the large increase in ticket prices over the years.
+1 Insightful, -1 Troll. What can I say, I'm an Insightful Troll.
On top of the fact that movie ratings are not a law, but an agreement between movie theaters and the MPAA (you either go by our ratings or you cant show our movie) http://www.mpaa.org/movieratings/ it is a voluntary system (eveyone I asked has said they thought it was a law)
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90% of all statisticians would disagree with that point.
Why single out PG-13... _all_ MPAA ratings are jsut advisory notations with no legal basis.
It is not illegal for a youngster to go to an R movie. It is not illegal for theatres (or anyone else) to show R movies to youngsters.
I think only in the last 10 years have theatres started to really enforce the age restrictions. But these are internal policies, not law.
Additionally, I believe there's no law prohibiting youngsters from seeing NC-17 movies based on rating alone. If the NC-17 movie contains pornography, of course, then that would be punishable under other laws.
(IANAL, of course)
My stupid web site
Young anakin is actually DARTH VADER!!!
Meh.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
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I call BS. There are so many logical contradictions in your statements. DM and cool, DM and she, DM and boobies, She and and lets play, married and DM, married and lets play, it just does not compute. though only thing that makes sense is that you don't know how pregancy works. :-P
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Adn let's not forget that PG-13 came into being because of Lucas and Speilberg's Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. Here's a history of the ratings system from Answers.com.
I'm not tense. I'm just terribly, terribly, alert.
Children under 13 can still attend the movie in the US if they are accompanied by an adult, however.
Do you know how many people I see bringing their 5 year old kids into violent R-rated movies? It's ridiculous.
Lucas said he was getting "a lot of flak" from parents concerned about the film's US rating.
"A lot of people saying how can you do this? My children love these movies. Why can you not let them go see it?" he said.
Oh for %^&#%^()%$# sake! Yanno, I'm a fan of Star Wars, even of the new movies, but if I were to miss the 12:01 showing of episode 3 (yes I'm going to that!) I won't be terribly disappointed. My son wants to go to the 12:01, but I won't let him because it's a school night. We'll see it on the weekend together when we have time.
My son was something like 5 I think when they re-released the original trilogy on the big screen. He was immediately hooked. If he was 5 when this movie came out, I'd go see it first then decide if I could take him. If I said no, then my son is going to have to live with that. It's not going to kill anyone not to see these movies, even a fan. I admit I'm lucky here because he's 13. Frankly, I think he can deal with it now, and not just because he's 13.
If we had to miss this movie because of some life altering event which required my attention, I'd grow up and deal with it and you better believe I'd make him grow up real quick.
Lucas on an artistic level owes me a decent movie, but on a parenting level he owes me jack shit.
Frankly this is just another symptom of Hollywood. They hype the hell out of something, then a restriction gets placed on it, and people get upset because they think they are entitled to this. It's a vicious circle?
Where the hell am I going with this? I don't know. Parents want entertainment catered to their exact whims, and think that some how people owe them exactly what they want. Hollywood wants everyone to go to every movie, but yet absolve themselves of responsibility in case someone decides to take their 3 year old to "Alien vs. Predator" because "Well we did tell you the rating on that movie was inappropriate for children."
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No offense, but those were evil contractors. The Empire doesn't hire any other kind.
So at the start of Episode 4, Yoda and Obi-wan are like the only Jedi still alive. This movie starts out with a bunch of Jedi living. BUT I NEVER EXPECTED A BLOOD BATH!!!!!!!!
It's not completely useless. It is true that the values are not adjusted for inflation, and that would be a useful update, but it doesn't need to be adjusted for ticket prices. If you're doing that, you should also adjust for G movies selling a larger percentage of matinee tickets (at a lower cost).
It's not supposed to be a measure of how many tickets were sold, otherwise it would be measured in tickets sold. It is a measure of how much cash the movie took in. Which do you think a studio cares more about: ticket sales or dollars generated?
For a very rigid economic analysis of movie profitability and its relationship to film ratings, that list would not be a good source. But for the purposes of this discussion of whether the PG-13 rating will hurt RotS, that list is a very good indicator that a PG-13 rating does not harm ticket sales.
Jebus... 5 mod points, and I've already replied to this story. Doh!
For the moderators who thought the parent was "redundant": The parent is quite correct. Arguably a troll, and not very well informed, but not at all redundant.
The grandparent *is* linking to a copyrighted work... perhaps. Actually, I'm pretty seriously doubtful that it's real. If it *is* real, I'm very disapointed as it lacks several things:
1. No balance restored to the force (Lucas said point-blank that this was something resolved in ep 3, back when ep 1 came out).
2. Band-aid resolution to the ghost-jedi issue from ep 4-6, and nothing that would justify Obi Wan's comment from 4 ("If you cut me down...")
3. From what I've heard many of the events in the script are in the wrong time sequence.
4. It directly conflicts with other plot summaries on the same site!
Most of you Star Wars Nerds WILL DIE ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!
But how are you going to get B.A. to ride on a spaceship, Hannibal?
Why single out PG-13... _all_ MPAA ratings are jsut advisory notations with no legal basis.
You mean no CRIMINAL legal basis. Theaters must enforce R and NC-17 ratings for movies distributed by members of the MPAA as a contractual condition of being able to show movies distributed by MPAA members.
Theaters are under no obligation to the distributors to regulate who may see G, PG, or PG-13 movies.
That's not to say a movie theater couldn't decide on it's own to not allow 12 year olds to see PG-13 movies, but if any do enforce such a policy, it's extremely rare, and entirely voluntary on a theater-by-theater basis.
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I always find these movie ratings hilarious. Titanic featured a fully naked female(we are talking boobs, pubic hair etc) and still received a pg-13 rating, whereas movies that use the word "fuck" are given R ratings.....
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Let it hurt sales. If it helps keep the screaming babies out of the theater, I'm all for it.
End of lesson. You may press the button.
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"It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education." - Albert Einstein
Dante: Yeah.
Randal: Now the first one they built was completed and fully operational before the Rebels destroyed it.
Dante: Luke blew it up. Give credit where it's due.
Randal:And the second one was still being built when they blew it up.
Dante: Compliments of Lando Calrissian.
Randal: Something just never sat right with me the second time they destroyed it. I could never put my finger on it-something just wasn't right.
Dante: And you figured it out?
Randal: Well, the thing is, the first Death Star was manned by the Imperial army-storm troopers, dignitaries- the only people onboard were Imperials.
Dante: Basically.
Randal: So when they blew it up, no prob. Evil is punished.
Dante: And the second time around...?
Randal: The second time around, it wasn't even finished yet. They were still under construction.
Dante: So?
Randal: A construction job of that magnitude would require a helluva lot more manpower than the Imperial army had to offer. I'll bet there were independent contractors working on that thing: plumbers, aluminum siders, roofers.
Dante: Not just Imperials, is what you're getting at.
Randal: Exactly. In order to get it built quickly and quietly they'd hire anybody who could do the job. Do you think the average storm trooper knows how to install a toilet main? All they know is killing and white uniforms.
Dante: All right, so even if independent contractors are working on the Death Star, why are you uneasy with its destruction?
Randal: All those innocent contractors hired to do a job were killed- casualties of a war they had nothing to do with. (notices Dante's confusion) All right, look-you're a roofer, and some juicy government contract comes your way; you got the wife and kids and the two-story in suburbia-this is a government contract, which means all sorts of benefits. All of a sudden these left-wing militants blast you with lasers and wipe out everyone within a three-mile radius. You didn't ask for that. You have no personal politics. You're just trying to scrape out a living.
(The Blue-Collar Man (Thomas Burke) joins them.)
Blue-Collar Man: Excuse me. I don't mean to interrupt, but what were you talking about?
Randal: The ending of Return of the Jedi.
Dante: My friend is trying to convince me that any contractors working on the uncompleted Death Star were innocent victims when the space station was destroyed by the rebels.
Blue-Collar Man: Well, I'm a contractor myself. I'm a roofer... (digs into pocket and produces business card) Dunn and Reddy Home Improvements. And speaking as a roofer, I can say that a roofer's personal politics come heavily into play when choosing jobs.
Randal: Like when?
Blue-Collar Man: Three months ago I was offered a job up in the hills. A beautiful house with tons of property. It was a simple reshingling job, but I was told that if it was finished within a day, my price would be doubled. Then I realized whose house it was.
Dante: Whose house was it?
Blue-Collar Man: Dominick Bambino's.
Randal: "Babyface" Bambino? The gangster?
Blue-Collar Man: The same. The money was right, but the risk was too big. I knew who he was, and based on that, I passed the job on to a friend of mine.
Dante: Based on personal politics.
Blue-Collar Man: Right. And that week, the Foresci family put a hit on Babyface's house. My friend was shot and killed. He wasn't even finished shingling.
Randal: No way!
Blue-Collar Man: (paying for coffee) I'm alive because I knew there were risks involved taking on that particular client. My friend wasn't so lucky. (pauses to reflect) You know, any contractor willing to work on that Death Star knew the risks. If they were killed, it was their own fault. A roofer listens to this... (taps his heart) not his wallet
-- Clerks
(really sad no one already pasted this)
"Leo's head was blocking said bush."
I'll admit that I've not seen the movie so forgive me, but wouldn't the above certainly warrant at least an R?
Hmmmm. Harkening back to the old days, I'm trying to remember PG movies that would be PG-13 or even R nowadays. Here's a few:
Airplane! (brief frontal boob flash).
Logan's Run (brief profile boob flash).
Arthur (profane language).
A Bridge Too Far (the Saving Private Ryan of its day).
Excalibur (nudity, sexual situations).
Patton (a persistent barrage of profane language).
Ragtime (prolonged topless scene with Elizabeth McGovern).
Then there's the strange case of Nicolas Roeg's Walkabout, which, despite having prolonged scenes of full frontal nudity (a skinny dipping Jenny Agutter), was embraced by an american christian coalition for family values, who recommended that the whole family should see it. The film's R rating was downgraded to a GP rating, which stands for General Public, the modern equivalent of G!
Finally, if memory serves, the first PG-13 film was Red Dawn.
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I always find these movie ratings hilarious. Titanic featured a fully naked female(we are talking boobs, pubic hair etc) and still received a pg-13 rating, whereas movies that use the word "fuck" are given R ratings.....
Albert Brooks had a great comment about the very use of the word "fuck" with regard to ratings. He was hawking "Lost in America" on Conan O'Brien. He mentioned the movie got an R raiting because "fuck" was "used in a sexual context". Brooks pointed out, "[Say,] 'I want to fuck you over this desk' you'll get an R, but if you say, 'I want to fuck you over with this desk,' you'll get a PG-13. Exactly what are minors being protected from?"
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