Anyone have a way to turn them into some sort of rack KBM display for server monitor/input? It tears me up to order the rack screens/keyboards for big money, then toss out surplus old laptops that are the same thing w/out the multiple inputs.
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Actually, a worthy question with one of the psudo-candidates on the board of Apple Computer (Gore). i'd be curious to know what kind of contributions MS or others have made toward candidates.
When I was a kid, my brother worked at the center (tour bus mechanic) and he got us passes to an area directly across a waterway to the launch pad. It was still a LONG way away from the pad, but you could make out the shuttle on the pad. It was an AMAZING experience. I remember sitting on top of our van, and feeling the ground shake for a minute or so as the blast-off took place. Worth going, even if you don't get in that close.
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I was wondering the same thing. Looks like they sell a server version - ahref=http://product.thinkfree.com/products/pd_ser ver.htmlrel=url2html-15778http://product.thinkfree .com/products/pd_server.html> No pricing info other than "less than office". I would love to run this at my school, if the speed is acceptable and such. I'm not impressed with the speed of the web version, but I"m assuming its dealing with/. traffic right now.
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I've got a Dell coffee cup that somehow got a white apple directly over the dell logo. Either way, the coffee tastes like crap, but its good for a laugh now and then. Waiting for an apple rep to notice and get me a real cup one day.
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Don't know why I'm bothering, but FYI. Knoppix is most known for it's liveCD based uses but can be installed, while Ubuntu is a distro meant to be installed, with a liveCD for demoing. If you want to talk about who was first, try debian - both of them are debian based. I like knoppix, I like ubuntu, I like debian - all for different uses.
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I use my iPod more for data than music. The PO for it listed it as a 'bus powered firewire hard drive':)
Essential if you are a mac admin who works on client machines.
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I'm sure this is too quick for that, and we know what happened the last time apple added something at the last minute for 10.2.8, but has apple said anything at all about the 10 year old bug ?
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Real normal people are not going to do this. Hell, I would never do this. You would spend half your time logging in and out of the machine and never actually get any work done. The computer is there to be a work aid for most folks, what you're suggesting is the worst workflow ever.
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I'll tell you who is the worst offender, freakin educational programs. Half the time, the 'new' software was written for win 3.1 or 95! Seriously. The crap wants to install at the root of the HD, and write all over the drive.
A while back, I spent alot of quality time getting KidPix and all its pals running on XP as a user. I was able to get all but one program, 500 Nations (a Kevin Costner sponsored cd about indians) to run with regular user rights, but it took opening permissions all over the HD to allow the programs to think they had rights.
The problem here is just old, repackaged software. Half the shit was written before there were permissions on the machines they were developed to run on. It is a testament to the flexibility of windows, but also means there are a lot of machines in schools on high speed networks running as admin and contributing to the world zombie population.
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Oh, and QuickBooks Pro apparently....
Athens Ga has one of the best downtowns I've ever experienced, wireless or not, drunk or not. About a year or two ago, the University of Georgia expanded its wireless cloud over the downtown area of the city. Sitting outside of a coffee shop with a powerbook getting schoolwork done rocks bigtime. No, the city of athens didn't pay for it, but its there and is worth a good look.
I did a suse linux class for a state educational technology conference last fall. We wanted to allow the participants to get the opportunity to update the machines themselves, but downloading from the ftp repositories was going to take too long. So...., I downloaded the full ~7Gig repository to my powerbook, turned on ftp, and all 20+ participants updated off of it at full network speed. This on a 600Mhz G4, 512 MB RAM. I'd never try this with a PC laptop.
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Over firewire, there is not difference in performance at all, and you have a fully functional system that doesn't go away after every reboot.
I love cloning machines like this, while my poor novell counterparts are typing in pathnames in zenworks I'm draging and dropping images.
And yes, I have an employee paid-for iPod - or better worded, a bus-powered external hard drive.
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The biggest computer networks in most areas are located in the public school system, but in Georgia at least, you usually have to have a degree in Education to land many of the available jobs. It's not the highest paying jobs out there, but its very stable, lots of bandwidth, good benifits, and not too much pressure (you get to go home and not think about work, if you so choose!) P
OK, just installed in on OSX as well, seems to be workin just fine, not sure what the OSX version "Coming Soon" will have, but this is working sofar. Hundreds of emails in an abandoned yahoo mail account to check, will be trashing it later, but it does work.
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About a year ago we were shopping for laptops for our division of our college. I got an online quote from the small business area of the dell site, because it was the same inspirion laptop as the ed site, just $400 cheaper.
Our dell rep would not sell us the laptop. According to her, and I believe her, internally dell is just like 4 separate companies selling the same machines. Her education division could not match it, it had to do with volume or whatnot.
Regardless, I was still pissed. $20 or $30 bucks on ram is one thing, but $400 per laptop is another, especially when you're looking to buy 30 or more. We ended up getting 100 toshibas that were awesome, much better for the price. I still think it's pretty low to overcharge education customers. I've found the same pricing differences now that I'm in the k12 arena.
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Apple produces "PCs" - Personal Computers. Its become a generic term for a Wintel based computer, but they produced the FIRST PCs!, I've got an old beige mac on the shelf here that says right on it "Power PC".
If you remember your geek history right, in the late 70s, early 80s the whole point of Apple was to produce computers normal people could afford. The mac and the snazziness came later, but the Apple Is and IIs were cheap compared to the alternatives (if there were any). Hell, the first apples sold for $666, I wouldn't advise using this price considering the current political climate, but something in that range would be very competitive.
I would love it if they would put out a nice little machine like this for the Web/Email crowd that will never produce a home movie, mix their own music, etc. A nicely priced secure box for the non savvy if you will. I've got a ton of people I know that ask me from time to time what computer to buy. The response after I mention a Mac is "they are so expensive, and I saw a dell in the paper for $400, the cheapest mac is like $1000." Believe me, these are people that will surf the web, play solitare, and write a letter or two. That's it.
Make a cheap mac for these folks. Be blunt about its limitations, but put it out there. P
Not to make this a how to, but afaik, Java is not supported on debian, due to the "non-free" nature of it. Anybody got a simple way of getting the blaim thing to install? So far I've made it very nicely, the only use I would have had lately is some crap websites that use java for rollover buttons, but every now and again you need to run an app.
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Anyone have a way to turn them into some sort of rack KBM display for server monitor/input? It tears me up to order the rack screens/keyboards for big money, then toss out surplus old laptops that are the same thing w/out the multiple inputs. P
Actually, a worthy question with one of the psudo-candidates on the board of Apple Computer (Gore). i'd be curious to know what kind of contributions MS or others have made toward candidates.
When I was a kid, my brother worked at the center (tour bus mechanic) and he got us passes to an area directly across a waterway to the launch pad. It was still a LONG way away from the pad, but you could make out the shuttle on the pad. It was an AMAZING experience. I remember sitting on top of our van, and feeling the ground shake for a minute or so as the blast-off took place. Worth going, even if you don't get in that close. P
Lets try that link again http://product.thinkfree.com/products/pd_server.ht ml
I was wondering the same thing. Looks like they sell a server version - ahref=http://product.thinkfree.com/products/pd_ser ver.htmlrel=url2html-15778http://product.thinkfree .com/products/pd_server.html> No pricing info other than "less than office". I would love to run this at my school, if the speed is acceptable and such. I'm not impressed with the speed of the web version, but I"m assuming its dealing with /. traffic right now.
P
Get Chloe O'Brien to set up your servers, it works for Jack Bower :)
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I've got a Dell coffee cup that somehow got a white apple directly over the dell logo. Either way, the coffee tastes like crap, but its good for a laugh now and then. Waiting for an apple rep to notice and get me a real cup one day. P
Don't know why I'm bothering, but FYI. Knoppix is most known for it's liveCD based uses but can be installed, while Ubuntu is a distro meant to be installed, with a liveCD for demoing. If you want to talk about who was first, try debian - both of them are debian based. I like knoppix, I like ubuntu, I like debian - all for different uses. P
I use my iPod more for data than music. The PO for it listed it as a 'bus powered firewire hard drive' :)
Essential if you are a mac admin who works on client machines.
P
I've been connecting to my debian machine via samba just fine with 10.4. I'm running unstable, samba version 3.0.14a. P
I'm sure this is too quick for that, and we know what happened the last time apple added something at the last minute for 10.2.8, but has apple said anything at all about the 10 year old bug ? P
Real normal people are not going to do this. Hell, I would never do this. You would spend half your time logging in and out of the machine and never actually get any work done. The computer is there to be a work aid for most folks, what you're suggesting is the worst workflow ever. P
I'll tell you who is the worst offender, freakin educational programs. Half the time, the 'new' software was written for win 3.1 or 95! Seriously. The crap wants to install at the root of the HD, and write all over the drive. A while back, I spent alot of quality time getting KidPix and all its pals running on XP as a user. I was able to get all but one program, 500 Nations (a Kevin Costner sponsored cd about indians) to run with regular user rights, but it took opening permissions all over the HD to allow the programs to think they had rights. The problem here is just old, repackaged software. Half the shit was written before there were permissions on the machines they were developed to run on. It is a testament to the flexibility of windows, but also means there are a lot of machines in schools on high speed networks running as admin and contributing to the world zombie population. P Oh, and QuickBooks Pro apparently....
http://www.nmi.uga.edu/mmc/inside.php?s=environmen t&p=3/
Even 256 is a little low with the G3s. You can get a 512mb stick of ram from crucial for ~$100 that will make life much nicer. P
I did a suse linux class for a state educational technology conference last fall. We wanted to allow the participants to get the opportunity to update the machines themselves, but downloading from the ftp repositories was going to take too long. So...., I downloaded the full ~7Gig repository to my powerbook, turned on ftp, and all 20+ participants updated off of it at full network speed. This on a 600Mhz G4, 512 MB RAM. I'd never try this with a PC laptop. P
Over firewire, there is not difference in performance at all, and you have a fully functional system that doesn't go away after every reboot. I love cloning machines like this, while my poor novell counterparts are typing in pathnames in zenworks I'm draging and dropping images. And yes, I have an employee paid-for iPod - or better worded, a bus-powered external hard drive. P
The biggest computer networks in most areas are located in the public school system, but in Georgia at least, you usually have to have a degree in Education to land many of the available jobs. It's not the highest paying jobs out there, but its very stable, lots of bandwidth, good benifits, and not too much pressure (you get to go home and not think about work, if you so choose!)
P
OK, just installed in on OSX as well, seems to be workin just fine, not sure what the OSX version "Coming Soon" will have, but this is working sofar. Hundreds of emails in an abandoned yahoo mail account to check, will be trashing it later, but it does work. P
big test of my comments, mod it down P
About a year ago we were shopping for laptops for our division of our college. I got an online quote from the small business area of the dell site, because it was the same inspirion laptop as the ed site, just $400 cheaper. Our dell rep would not sell us the laptop. According to her, and I believe her, internally dell is just like 4 separate companies selling the same machines. Her education division could not match it, it had to do with volume or whatnot. Regardless, I was still pissed. $20 or $30 bucks on ram is one thing, but $400 per laptop is another, especially when you're looking to buy 30 or more. We ended up getting 100 toshibas that were awesome, much better for the price. I still think it's pretty low to overcharge education customers. I've found the same pricing differences now that I'm in the k12 arena. P
Apple produces "PCs" - Personal Computers. Its become a generic term for a Wintel based computer, but they produced the FIRST PCs!, I've got an old beige mac on the shelf here that says right on it "Power PC".
If you remember your geek history right, in the late 70s, early 80s the whole point of Apple was to produce computers normal people could afford. The mac and the snazziness came later, but the Apple Is and IIs were cheap compared to the alternatives (if there were any). Hell, the first apples sold for $666, I wouldn't advise using this price considering the current political climate, but something in that range would be very competitive.
I would love it if they would put out a nice little machine like this for the Web/Email crowd that will never produce a home movie, mix their own music, etc. A nicely priced secure box for the non savvy if you will. I've got a ton of people I know that ask me from time to time what computer to buy. The response after I mention a Mac is "they are so expensive, and I saw a dell in the paper for $400, the cheapest mac is like $1000." Believe me, these are people that will surf the web, play solitare, and write a letter or two. That's it.
Make a cheap mac for these folks. Be blunt about its limitations, but put it out there.
P
I just hope the speakerphone goes all the way to 11...
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1. Open Source Java
2. ????????
3. Profit!!!
Sorry, couldn't resist