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Nokia's Linux Handheld

Nils Faerber writes "Today Nokia announced the introduction of the Nokia 770 Internet Tablet device along with the Open Source based Maemo Development Platform. With this new product Nokia enters several new worlds all at once. A new concept for the use of a handheld device, a new fully visible open source based development process and the explicit use of open source software in a commercial grade product. The typical use case for the Nokia 770 is to be the internet usability extension to your mobile phone or other wireless internet access equipment. It is extremely portable by its small formfactor, usable for almost all internet applications thorugh its exceptional resolution of 800x480 pixel and its multimedia capabilities by making use of a TI-OMAP CPU and a accompanying digital signal processor (DSP) core. The consequent use of open source software and technology basing on the Linux kernel 2.6, X11-server technology and the GTK+ toolkit the resulting new Hildon graphical user interface creates a fully new user interface experience for portable Linux devices."

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  1. The nokia Internet tablet by the_xaqster · · Score: 5, Funny

    Take 2 and call me in the morning....

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  2. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If this gets popular, and as presumably the interface will be similar to all other Nokia products, people will realise that Linux is not necessarily hard to use.

    1. Re:Good by garcia · · Score: 4, Insightful

      people will realise that Linux is not necessarily hard to use.

      If by "people" you mean the general non-computer-geek population, then I really don't think they care what OS the unit is running. Tivo is easy to use and runs on Linux. Archos media players are easy to use... The list continues.

      Linux *can* be difficult to use, especially as a home OS. UIs that lay over the kernel and OS don't have to be.

    2. Re:Good by CortoMaltese · · Score: 3, Informative

      The FAQ confirms that "the user interface has its roots in the smartphone Series 90 user interface."

  3. Left-handed model? by oni · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I doubt there will be a left-handed model. Pretty much every PDA or device like this one has buttons on the left side, which I can't use because I'm holding the device with my right hand because I need to write on it with my left hand.

    Oh well, sucks to be me I guess.

    1. Re:Left-handed model? by millahtime · · Score: 2, Funny

      I doubt there will be a left-handed model. Pretty much every PDA or device like this one has buttons on the left side, which I can't use because I'm holding the device with my right hand because I need to write on it with my left hand.

      These companies are obviously pregadous against left handed people. You should sue. This is discrimination. The right handers bringing down the left handers. It's must be a secret plot becuase the of the right handers in positions of power not wanting the left handers to get into their inner circle.

    2. Re:Left-handed model? by Soko · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, it is Open Source, so some enterprising leftie will write a screen/button flipper for the thing - you'll just need to learn how to use the buttons upside down (left arrow will change to right via software, but the pad will be at the bottom, not the top).

      Soko

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    3. Re:Left-handed model? by jintxo · · Score: 3, Insightful
      ... pregadous ...

      wtf?

    4. Re:Left-handed model? by beardz · · Score: 2, Informative

      Prejudiced, even :)

    5. Re:Left-handed model? by hawk · · Score: 2, Funny
      It means, "highly susceptible to impregnation"

      THus, there will soon be plenty of little left-handers about.



      hawk

  4. No ethernet by noisymime · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I know it kind of goes against the whole portability idea, but no ethernet?

  5. GStreamer by JohnFluxx · · Score: 5, Informative

    Please note that it is also recently revealed that Nokia has been funding GStreamer ! Thank you Nokia!

  6. Battery Life by AngryScot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    3 hour battery life seems to be a little short if you are going to be traveling and want to use it.

    I suppose you could charge it in your car...

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    1. Re:Battery Life by l810c · · Score: 3, Interesting
      3 hour battery life seems to be a little short if you are going to be traveling and want to use it.

      It's only 1500 mAh, your average NiMH AA is at 2300 mAh each. This battery must be puny.

      An external battery pack would be a cool option. 2 AA's in a small tube with wire could provide nearly 10 hours.

    2. Re:Battery Life by wowbagger · · Score: 2, Informative
      It's only 1500 mAh, your average NiMH AA is at 2300 mAh each. This battery must be puny.

      An external battery pack would be a cool option. 2 AA's in a small tube with wire could provide nearly 10 hours.


      10 hours IF AND ONLY IF the pad runs on 1.25VDC, and you parallel the 2 AAs to get 1.25VDC @ 4600mAh.

      If, as is more likely, the device runs on about 7VDC, you would need 12 2300mAh AAs running series/parallel (2 parallel strings of 6 batteries in series) to give you that time.

      Remember - amp-hours ARE NOT energy - they are CHARGE. You need to take amp-hours times voltage to get units of energy (watt-hours).
  7. Stylus by teiresias · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've been using my Gateway tablet for about half a year now and while the stylus works and works well, it's not something I felt the same level of comfort using as I do when I use a pen or pencil. My guess would be that the stlus seems to slip more over the very slick screen.

    In regards to the Nokia 770, the stylus seems to be the primary form of input and command for this device. Unless Nokia has changed the feel of stylus, this might hurt adopters of what looks like a neat PDA/tablet hybrid. Indeed, implementing a small keyboard similiar to the Sharp Zaurus PDA's would be very nice.

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  8. Better picture by BenBenBen · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here

    I've seen $350 quoted as a price point - once more and more devices start offering control access over TCP/IP (think TiVoweb, Xbox Media Centre etc) I think we've got a good candidate for the much-trumpeted "terminal" device that everyone uses around the home. I had the PSP pegged as a good place to start, providing a vibrant homebrew community springs up around it. This Nokia device offers that sort of functionality and development possibilites right out the box.

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  9. PDA please! by johansalk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Looks exciting; can't wait for them to make a PDA out of it. I just wish they'd used regular SD instead of reduced size memory cards.

    1. Re:PDA please! by wiredlogic · · Score: 2, Informative

      You don't need special drivers to talk to an SD. You can interface with an unencrypted SD card just like any old MMC.

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  10. It's $350 by jolyonr · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not sure where you got the price from, but my sources say it's going to be $350.

    Jolyon

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  11. Re:Seen it already... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    cough PSP cant surf the web *cough*

    nor can it read emails, play streaming radio and at least 60 other things.

    the PSP is a neat portable game but a webpad it CERTIANLY is not.

    so how do you click on a fricking link because the PSP lacks a touchscreen? and when is FLASH going to be released for the PSP?

    *cough*

  12. ... but shame on you, Nokia... by lowieken · · Score: 5, Insightful

    for wanting to impose software patents on us in the EU!

    1. Re:... but shame on you, Nokia... by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Nokia is really mixed up in these matters:

      • it supports open source stuff like this
      • supports the anti-microsoft side in eu vs. microsoft battle
      • on the other hand, supports software patents

      I'd wish they'd just make up their mind and vouch for FOSS
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    2. Re:... but shame on you, Nokia... by labratuk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A company's right hand not knowing what its left hand is doing is nothing new.

      A future with EU software patents is a future where tech companies have more lawyers employed than developers. My guess is that the people in charge of Nokia's stance on patents... are lawyers.

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  13. Compared To? by simpl3x · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What can you compare this to? The Palm devices? It seems to have a good screen 800 x 600, Wi-Fi... I can imagine teachers carrying something like this around to hold teacher edition texts, and accessing the school network. IMHO, this is very cool, and could open up a lot of opportuniity in web applications for verticle markets.

    I wish it had a sim card, and I hope that they offer a keyboard tray of some sort.

  14. No it won't by dcrocha · · Score: 2, Informative

    It only supports GTK user interfaces. I have direct contact with people on that project and that's something that will not change for now.

  15. AP says it runs Opera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic le/2005/05/25/AR2005052500555.html
    "In one similarity to Nokia's smart phones, the tablet employs the Opera browser from Opera Software ASA."
  16. Re:Forget ethernet, no bluetooth??!!! by tuxnduke · · Score: 3, Informative

    What do you mean no bluetooth ?

    (Straight from the site:)
    Connectivity:
    * WLAN: 802.11b/g
    * Bluetooth specification: 1.2

  17. I can't swallow that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...

    Well then good news! It's a suppository!

  18. Could be perfect for CarPCs by sonny317 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If the screen is bright enough to be daylight readable as some of the outdoor press shots would suggest, you have a very compact, removable linux-based media engine with hi-res touchscreen and navigation buttons. If much of any developer community adopts it (hard to imagine it wouldn't), there will probably be support for all sorts of additional media formats and peripherals. Given that current sunlight-readable VGA touchscreens cost ~$3-5 hundred USD alone, this could easily knock the price of building a carpc setup in half.

  19. you're in luck by cahiha · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's open source and it's X11 based. That means that RandR probably works on it and you can just rotate the screen 180 degrees.

  20. maemo - its all 'open' by kerskine · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just did a quick read of the licenses section of the FAQ. They've released the UI, Skins, and Graphics under the Creative Commons (CC) license. I guess they want to see maemo used on other platforms (assuming the license fee for the graphics is reasonable).

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  21. Screenshots! by spectrokid · · Score: 4, Informative
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  22. No 3G/GSM? by ubera · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think it's a pity that the rather beautiful design and obviously neat software doesn't include Nokia's core function: mobile phone connectivity (and not through BT).

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  23. Re:Seen it already... by fbjon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A C64 can too. But does anyone really want to?

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  24. Re:Limited until... by Raphael · · Score: 2, Informative
    I'm more hoping to get the ipkg package system working on that thing,

    Yes, ipkg is nice. It is derived from Debian's dpkg. The good news for you is that maemo uses dpkg directly.

    See for example the sections "Creating debian/ directory" and "Creating package" near the end of the howto for creating a new application. Another example can be found in the howto for porting an existing application.

    Maemo is probably more open than you think...

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  25. Some good signs though by hemul · · Score: 3, Interesting
  26. Re:It will fail by fbjon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    BS. My pda has 128mb built in, and has an SD slot. I have no problems with storage. Besides, how much storage do you need for browsing, mail, etc.? This isn't a portable dvd-player.

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  27. Archos did it before. by jonathan3003 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Similar (and better) devices already exist.

    See, for example, the PMA400.

    It is open source, linux based, has a 30gb hd, and has many other goodies.

    But it is still nice to see that a large company like nokia is offering such a product. It will definitely help to spread linux :)

  28. Re:No CF slot? by iamnotanumber6 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Why do manufacturers hate CF so?

    Because CF is based on the ancient ISA parallel bus interface - too many pins, too much overhead. The newer formats use a serial (eg. SPI) interface, more easily supported by microsontrollers, saving a lot of wiring and board space/complexity.

  29. it still sucks.... by O2dude · · Score: 2, Interesting

    what about audio IN? that way it would (shock horror) actually be useful, because we could (possibly) run skype on it.

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  30. Pregadous by doru · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's a perfectly cromulent word !

  31. Re:It will fail by Combuchan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, we'll have wireless broadband everywhere, but only so you may legitimately download Approved Content(tm) from Vericingusprint, and they'll continue charging outrageous prices for even sending a kilobyte of data. Lord help you if you want unproxied HTTP or TCP with enough ports open to do any real work.

    That is, there might be broadband everywhere in a few years, just don't count on using it.

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  32. Bluetooth keyboard and this... maybe... by javaxman · · Score: 2, Interesting
    That would make it usable to me. Virtual Keyboards suck, pure and simple, and as much as I like to surf the web, I'm not laying down $350 for something to look at websites with a tiny screen.

    IF the CPU ( uh, I don't see that in the spec, that makes me worry, folks... ) is powerful enough, and you could pack on external batteries to keep it going for 3 hours *while* actually using your Bluetooth keyboard, it looks like it could *almost* work as a more-portable laptop replacement. Something to type up notes on while sitting in the park or coffee shop, that kind of thing.

    Not that I'm going to run out and get one. I still look at this and think "but... maybe I just want a laptop..". On the other hand, if you could use a BT keyboard with it, it might be sort of like a low-power, extremely small laptop with a keyboard you can ditch when you're not entering lots of data... that does have a certain appeal.

  33. Re:Ogg vorbis support? by rillian · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I talked to Uraeus about this a bit. The machine has combined ARM9/TI DSP cores. The idea is that you want the codecs running on the DSP, and apparently the free Xiph codecs we're included in the launch because there's no DSP port of the reference implementations. (There's no GCC back end for the dsp, although some folks are working on a related series.) This includes Ogg Theora, Speex and FLAC as well as Ogg Vorbis.

    Whether the ARM is too slow (or battery consumptive) to run the decoders on its own, I'm not clear but with everything open source it will be easy to check.

    I'll be a Guadec, where they are apparently also doing a demo, so hopefully will know more next week.

    In the long term though we need help with the DSP gcc port and someone to do hand-optimized asm for the xiph codecs. If anyone's interested, please let us know.

  34. Few things would make this device Great by skgala · · Score: 2, Interesting

    1. Small keyboard that can be attached/removed when needed. 2. Hard Disk 3. Ethernet port

  35. I've seen it. It sucks. by richi · · Score: 2, Informative
    I'm here at LinuxWorld in New York, and I've played with one. Some thoughts at www.richi.co.uk.

    Summary: It sucks. I wanted to like it, but ... I didn't.