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Google CEO Talks Business

prostoalex writes "InformationWeek interviews Google CEO on Google's enterprise strategy. No cool products announcements or anything related to personal technology - Eric Schmidt talks about Google's offerings for the enterprise market."

140 comments

  1. what is /. for ?? by Virtual+Karma · · Score: 3, Funny
    No cool products announcements or anything...

    Slashdot exist solely for this purpose ;)

    1. Re:what is /. for ?? by PopeAlien · · Score: 4, Funny

      Speak for yourself, I come here for the great business news but I stay for the cowboy neal jokes.

    2. Re:what is /. for ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And trying to collect the largest amount of trolls.

    3. Re:what is /. for ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      pfffftttt /. exist for many reasons.

      Google luv
      SCO & M$ bashing
      roland pipquillle articles
      gnome vs. kde flame wars
      Best OS discussions

      those are just a few

    4. Re:what is /. for ?? by Albinofrenchy · · Score: 1

      There is alot of talk about Best OS's, but I would no sooner call them 'discussions' then call the Vietnam war a 'conflict'.

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      "A man is but the product of his thoughts what he thinks, he becomes." -Mahatma Gandhi
    5. Re:what is /. for ?? by wft_rtfa · · Score: 1
      You'd think they could at least have a picture of google's cute and colorful hardware: http://www.google.com/enterprise/

      I have absolutely no use for one, but these servers are so cute. I want one!

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    6. Re:what is /. for ?? by wolvie_cobain · · Score: 1

      did you forget about the star wars hype too

    7. Re:what is /. for ?? by xtremee · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that we also talk of alternative ways of making profit in 3-5 simple steps.

    8. Re:what is /. for ?? by rsadelle · · Score: 1

      You forgot the missing options, you insensitive clod.

  2. Google Strategy: by Nomihn0 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated!

    1. Re:Google Strategy: by big+daddy+kane · · Score: 2, Funny

      What are you talking about TROLL???? Their motto is "Don't Be Evil" its not like any corporation goes against their motto!

    2. Re:Google Strategy: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nooooo this can't be happening!
      What will I ever do if GOogle takes over the world and Microsoft is destroyed!??!?!

    3. Re:Google Strategy: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      huh. flamebait?

    4. Re:Google Strategy: by conchobar0928 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I believe you meant to say, "Resistance is futile. You will be indexed."

    5. Re:Google Strategy: by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "What are you talking about TROLL????"

      You see, Slashdot loves Google just a little too much. As such, they take comments like that way too seriously. However, Slashdot also hates Microsoft. So the exact same joke would be modded +5 Funny.

      Don't worry, it'll be fashionable to hate Google soon enough. In the mean time, though, you have to be sensitive to those whose biases are challenged way too severely.

      --
      "Derp de derp."
    6. Re:Google Strategy: by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1

      That "Whoosh" was the sound of a big lump of irony travelling at high speed. Don't worry though, it was well clear of the top of your head.

      --
      "I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
    7. Re:Google Strategy: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have any fucking clue what you're talking about?

  3. Yes, no products announced by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But the next thing you know Google announces 1GBit free broadband Beta on April 1st 2006.

    1. Re:Yes, no products announced by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have already announced that.

      The only drawback is you must still connect to google's servers using your home DSL line.

  4. Hmmm... by Sheepdot · · Score: 3, Funny

    Let's imagine you're a CEO and you're running a sales force. How can you get your sales force to generate more revenue?

    Tell them to call up CowboyNeal and ask them where the "Google Story for the Day" is and why it wasn't posted before 5:00pm EST.

    1. Re:Hmmm... by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

      Be assured, there will be 3 dupes by morning as compensation.

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    2. Re:Hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Can a third dupe be called a "trupe"?

    3. Re:Hmmm... by Stregone · · Score: 1

      I like "tripe" better.

    4. Re:Hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > And a fourth... qupe? Quadrupe? Qrupe?

      Nah, it'd be called a piqpaille...
      Or a roland if you can't spell the other thing.

    5. Re:Hmmm... by nokilli · · Score: 1

      George Lucas calls it a prequel.

  5. But do they offer solutions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I am looking for solutions for my enterprise level e-synergy. Can Google help me actualize this?

    1. Re:But do they offer solutions? by Muhammar · · Score: 3, Funny

      Do you have your vision fully conceptualized? Do you have defined clear go-nogo checkpoints on your flowchart to facilitate your decision-making process? You may need a consultant.

      --
      I doubt that we will ever figure out - and I suspect that even if we did figure out we couldn't do much about it
    2. Re:But do they offer solutions? by Shky · · Score: 2, Funny

      How are those TPS reports coming along?

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    3. Re:But do they offer solutions? by fullcircleflight · · Score: 1

      Your suggestion for consultancy is not unwarranted.

      In the current complex 21st century competitive global landscape, management consultants have helped my business achieve efficiency and effectivness in e-business processes in order to acheive my enterprise level e-synergistic goals and objectives.

    4. Re:But do they offer solutions? by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Funny

      "I am looking for solutions for my enterprise level e-synergy. Can Google help me actualize this?"

      Bingo, sir.

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      "Derp de derp."
    5. Re:But do they offer solutions? by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 1

      "Management consultants"? HAH! Every modern business has replaced these with a single "e-consultant." Please get with it or perish like pets.com.

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      WHO ATE MY BREAKFAST PANTS?
    6. Re:But do they offer solutions? by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Neal: I nominate Eric Schmidt to help you actualize everything. Not just because he has a suit, but because he knows about business and stuff and he has a tie.

      Schmidt: -There are two kinds of people. Sheep and sharks. Anyone who is a sheep is fired. Who is a sheep?

      Timothy: -Errr, excuse me... which is the one people like to hug?

      Schmidt: This isn't a business plan. It's an excape plan!

      CmdrTaco: -So long suckers! Huhuhahahha!

      Neal: Don't you worry about Google, let me worry about blank.

      Hemos: -We can't compete with MSN! That company is big and evil! Ours is small and neutral!"

      Schmidt: -Switzerland is small and neutral! We are more like Germany, ambitious and misunderstood!

      Robo: -Look, everyone wants to be like Germany. But do we really have the pure strength of will?

      Neal: -As Vice Chairman, I believe I speak for the entire board when I issue this challenge to Mom!" *zip* "Look at my butt! Whooohooohohoho!

      Schmidt: -It's time I cut you in on a secret to success. Any guesses?

      Neal: -Err, work really really hard?

      Schmidt: -No.

      Neal: -Oh, thank god!

      Schmidt: -It's all about appearances.

      Timothy: -That Guy is turning this place into some kind of business.

      Taco: -This isn't a business. I've always thought of it more as a source of cheap labor. Like a family.

      Ballmer: -Errm, errr" *beep* *errrrr* "Ehh, the ballot was confusing!

      BORG: -How about a hand recount?

      Ballmer: -OK! *slap* "Oww!"

      Times: "Your shares are worth a hundred and seven dollars a piece!"

      Robo: -They are? Oh my god! I'm a millionaire! Suddenly I have an opinion about the capital gains tax!

      Timothy: -Awww, I have no shares! Ahahaha ... Wait! My sandwich! Has it also appriciated in value? Please, oh please!

      Hemos: -You didn't even refrigerate it you spineless lobster!

      Timothy: -You! Had to drag spines into this! Ahahhha

      Timothy: *dingdingding* "Aha! Once again the conservative sandwich-heavy portfolio pays of for the hungry investor!" *slurp* "Oh.. I'm ruined! Wuahahahaaha why ... why....

    7. Re:But do they offer solutions? by Skim123 · · Score: 1
      (Obligatory Simpsons quote...)

      Excuse me, but "e-synergy," "actualize..." aren't those words stupid people use to sound smart? ... I'm fired, aren't I?

      --

      I could not justify my existence if I were a turkey farmer. Would I terminate myself? Undoubtably, yes.

  6. Re:fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  7. Wrong, but thanks for playing. by Pheersome · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Schmidt: Transparency is not necessarily the only way you achieve security. For example, part of the encryption algorithms are not typically made available to the open source community, because you don't want people discovering flaws in the encryption.
    I hope he didn't really mean that; I had a fairly good opinion of him, but that statement is (IMO) a pretty serious misunderstanding of The Way Things Should Be. We (the security-loving Internet elite) want maximal transparency for all of our systems, cryptographic and otherwise, so problems are found and fixed... right?

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    Better to light a candle than to curse the darkness.
    1. Re:Wrong, but thanks for playing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now you know better

    2. Re:Wrong, but thanks for playing. by putko · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are different kinds of people in this world.

      Some try to make sure that they don't say b.s. about things they don't understand. Others try to sound smart and then say something stupid.

      It is a bit like a kid playing with nunchucks and hitting himself in the nuts. But at least then you know that you are not Bruce Lee.

      This guy probably still thinks he understands cryptography.

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      http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/when_to_s tone_your_children/dt21_18a.html
    3. Re:Wrong, but thanks for playing. by mrtroy · · Score: 1

      . For example, part of the encryption algorithms are not typically made available to the open source community, because you don't want people discovering flaws in the encryption.

      I think I once heard about an encryption algorithm called......RS......A yes thats it

      RSA

      The algorithm has been around for a longgggggg time, and is available in any number of math textbooks involving changing bases

      If you can find a flaw in RSA after seeing code for it, you are a genius and deserve a math award for discovered some new prime number technique

      --
      [I can picture a world without war, without hate. I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it]
    4. Re:Wrong, but thanks for playing. by Spezzer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sure, open algorithms such as RSA are typically better because of their scrutiny by the the world's best cryptographers. However, a bunch of the NSA's algorithms are good BECAUSE they are secret (to their best of their ability). Yes, it probably won't hold the test of time as well, but that's not to say they don't work.

      I guess it's kind of analagous to 'security through obscurity.' Yeah, it's not the best way to do things, but it sometimes works well enough for some applications.

    5. Re:Wrong, but thanks for playing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We (the security-loving Internet elite)

      You're elite? Lol ROFL.

    6. Re:Wrong, but thanks for playing. by bluk · · Score: 1

      He didn't say that he believes that it is The Way Things Should Be or whatever else. He said it was not necessarily the ONLY way you achieve security, and you know what, some encryption algorithms aren't made public. Don't get up in arms about nothing IMO. Millions of people rely on systems which they have no clue about. Who knows if there's some new flaw in GMail's algorithm to read other people's messages? But millions of people still rely on Gmail and other free e-mail providers all the time and they rely it on things critical to their lives.

    7. Re:Wrong, but thanks for playing. by roach2002 · · Score: 1

      Grandparent isn't talking about open-sourcing code for RSA, he's talking about making the algorithm public. There's a big difference.

      The idea behind an open encryption algorithm is that if there's a flaw in the algorithm, someone who would publish that flaw will find it. The first person to find it might not publicize it, but someone will. (This is what academics in math do)

      With a closed encryption algorithm, if someone finds a flaw, they probably won't publish it as they probably shouldn't know the algorithm at all. Academics don't usually spend their time verifying algorithms they shouldn't know about - and the people who do spend their time doing that don't want you to know it's broken.

      I'm usually a big fan of Google, but if Schmidt really means that general algorithms for encryption should be kept secret, he's being silly (and I doubt Larry or Sergey would agree with him on it).

    8. Re:Wrong, but thanks for playing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sendmail

    9. Re:Wrong, but thanks for playing. by flatface · · Score: 1

      qmail.

    10. Re:Wrong, but thanks for playing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, a bunch of the NSA's algorithms are good BECAUSE they are secret

      And exactly which ones would these be?

    11. Re:Wrong, but thanks for playing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > > We (the security-loving Internet elite)

      > You're elite? Lol ROFL.

      Yeah. He can't even spel l33t XD LMAO!!11!eleven

    12. Re:Wrong, but thanks for playing. by ajs · · Score: 1

      "We (the security-loving Internet elite) want maximal transparency for all of our systems, cryptographic and otherwise"

      Inject the word "security" and I'm cool with that. I don't want maximal transparency for everything. I want to know how my data is protected, but Google doesn't have to tell me how page ranking works in order for me to get that... on the other hand, if they did tell me, I could help them. That's their choice.

      Yes, he made a silly mistake, and I'm kind of stunned that he said what he did. Oh well. Stupid interview quotes are a dime a dozen. Good search engines are rare.... I wonder if I thought of that, or if I'm quoting something... hold on, I'll just Google it.

    13. Re:Wrong, but thanks for playing. by corblix · · Score: 1
      However, a bunch of the NSA's algorithms are good BECAUSE they are secret

      Will all due respect, you really don't know what you're talking about here. Read some Bruce Schneier.

    14. Re:Wrong, but thanks for playing. by corblix · · Score: 1
      We (the security-loving Internet elite) want maximal transparency for all of our systems, cryptographic and otherwise, so problems are found and fixed... right?

      Certainly.

      I hope he didn't really mean that ....

      I imagine he did mean it, but doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. I also imagine he's not in directly in charge of any encryption work at Google. And I have hope that their corporate culture is healthy enough that, if the issue comes up in a practical way, people who do know what they're talking about will feel free to set him straight.

  8. Well, does it mean..... by hermank · · Score: 0

    Nothing to see here, move along?

    1. Re:Well, does it mean..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It means we don't like you. Go away.

  9. Who are Google? by Timesprout · · Score: 3, Funny

    I looked them up on MSN search I cant find anything about them. Why is Slashdot posting stories about piss ant little companies that no one has ever hear of?

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    1. Re:Who are Google? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is Google? Because it certainly 'aint a person. -Anonymous Vegetarian

    2. Re:Who are Google? by CriminalNerd · · Score: 1
    3. Re:Who are Google? by neodude88 · · Score: 1

      Please mod parent -1, Sarcastically Disadvantaged.

  10. Damn...I was hoping for more by PenguinBoyDave · · Score: 1

    Like announcing they were buying the Evil Empire in Redmond. Oh...I almost forgot, Google is just a fad according to Balmer. Silly me.

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    I'm not a troll, but I play one on Slashdot.
  11. My request to Google... by bogaboga · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ...is to synchronize the release of tools for major browsers including Firefox. That is, they (Google) should release their "add-ons" at once for all browsers. This is because if they for example released this for IE first, by the time that for Firefox is released, the steam is almost out.

    Next, my request is to make sure they go for M$ and Yahoo head on. I need GoogleBiz (to check my stocks), I need GoogleMusic, GoogleRadio and all that is possible.

    1. Re:My request to Google... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then why not just fucking use Yahoo which already does all that? Jackass.

    2. Re:My request to Google... by bogaboga · · Score: 1

      Because I do not like Yahoo. They will not let me use Firefox to use their launchcast services. Try http://launch.yahoo.com/launchcast/ with Firefox and tell me what you see. There is more than this of course.

    3. Re:My request to Google... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If "the steam is almost out", does that mean the feature was mainly hype and really not worthwhile?

    4. Re:My request to Google... by roach2002 · · Score: 1

      I believe that they released gmail and google maps for both IE and FireFox concurrently, and it was Explorer for OS X, Safari, and Opera that lagged behind...

      But your point isn't meant to be an exact example but the general gist. So let's argue that.

      IE on Windows is 90% of the market. Why not release for that, beta on IE and Firefox, get general reactions, ui testing, etc, and then move forward with the later releases on every browser?

      With Javascript, you have to test interaction on every browser. Would you rather create the beta on 5 browsers, and then change 200 things on 5 browsers going from beta to release, or beta on 2 browsers, then change 200 things on those 2 browsers and create things anew on the rest of the browsers?

      Google already does stock tracking (http://www.google.com/ig), but not portfolio tracking. They also look up today's chart and stock price if you search on a ticker symbol.

    5. Re:My request to Google... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I went to the URL you posted. It looked better in Firefox than IE for me. Not sure what your gripe is about - can you provide details?

    6. Re:My request to Google... by seweso · · Score: 0

      Google Accelerator worked for Firefox and IE from the start... fmfwtvz

  12. UW talk by Mtn_Dewd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Eric Schmidt is really busy on showing just how progressive Google is right now. I just got out of a talk at University of Washington by him in which he addressed many interesting Google policy questions ranging from responsibilities, censorship, and corporate structure. They're really trying to establish that they aren't just another fad and are trying to find a way to meet the demands of an exponentially increasing task of information aggregation and retrieval.

    Interestingly, in our Computer Science department at UW, there is definitely an aura about Google. Everyone wants to work for them. They seem to defy all of the standard business models that we have grown to hate (ie: Office Space) and use a 70%, 20%, 10% rule that allows you to work on Google-related work, Personal-project-google-related work, and just personal work. I won't drag on about their structure, but I'm wondering if their business model and ideas will now spread into the mainstream corporate world.

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    My little sad piece of the internet: www.mtndewd
    1. Re:UW talk by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      For employees at google, which time fraction would reading slashdot come under?

      Theres the incredible drag factor of obsessive refreshing and giggling at stupid jokes on screen, or the fact your mainly reading articles about your own company.

      hmmmmm

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    2. Re:UW talk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When someone else is paying for the party (i.e. the investing public), it's really easy to be "cool" and "forward-looking".

      We'll see what happens when their stock price starts going down.

    3. Re:UW talk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eric Schmidt is really busy on showing just how progressive Google is right now.

      Eric Schmidt is only a cheerleader. Rah-rah. It's his job to make Google look better.

      I don't have anything bad to point to about Google other than anecdotal evidence.

      1) Hiring practices for engineers favor Indians who went to Stanford.
      2) Huge amount of perqs for employees is a huge expense. For example, just like you said 30% percent of time is not directly Google related, and 10% total time is not even business related. There's also the free (large) cafeteria. How long will these perqs continue when Google hits its first bump?
      3) Investor control. What investor control? The founders still control the majority voting block, and have ensured they will remain in control. One might as well just donate money to Google, because there's no accountability.

      When Google starts missing Wall St. numbers, expect perqs to vanish and layoffs to ensue. Also expect outsourcing to increase. Google will then be like every other public company.

      I like the dream of Google, but I've watched tech rise and fall, and Google is simply a vision of a nostalgic era that people desperately want to hold onto. It's not that I think Google won't survive, they likely will, but I believe it will not continue to be thought of (and run) as a fantasy camp.

    4. Re:UW talk by adpowers · · Score: 2, Informative

      I was there. I found it interesting how shallow/flat their corporate hierarchy is. There aren't many levels between Sergey/Larry and the average employee. They don't try to micromanage employees, instead letting them just run with their work.

      One impression I've gotten of Google compared to, say, Microsoft, is how quick they are to release new products. I've been to some Microsoft recruiting talks, and if I remember correctly, you have to interview to change product teams, and it seems like a cumbersome, bureaucratic process. At Google, you can help people with their 20% time projects and do work where you are interested. This allows them to get very rapid turn around on projects and this is probably a big reason why they are running circles around MSN.

      Oh, another thing I remember. People on slashdot have wondered why they haven't put advertisements on Google News and some thought it was because they would get in trouble for making money off other people's content. Today Eric mentioned that the business model is mostly up to the team that develops it. As an example he gave: during a meeting, they had the option of either developing an advertising system for the news, or adding Afghanistan news. They decided to go after news in other countries before working on the advertising end. This is one reason why some of their projects don't seem to have any money-making goals. He said the Orkut team is too busy trying to get speed out of the system to work on some other things they might try.

      Oh, I remembered something else :). It is kind of off topic, but I thought it was interesting. Apparently when they were rolling out Google Maps (or maybe it was the satellite data), they went on Yellow Alert because the traffic from mirroring the images across the world (I believe that is what he said) was filling up all their pipes. They were almost taken down, but they managed to get their traffic shaping back in line. Just an interesting tidbit. I'm sure the speech will be available on UWTV's website in a few months.

      Andrew

    5. Re:UW talk by zerbot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hah, that's funny. When I went to the UW we had a "heterogenous environment" meaning we had systems from a number of different vendors. We were told it was so that students would be exposed to a wide variety of stuff they might work with in the outside world. Shortly after I graduated, Bill Gates donated a bunch of money to the UW, and all of a sudden they're ripping everything out and putting all Windoze boxes in, saying the new "homogenous environment" will be more consistent and less confusing for students. The students started developing a serious Microsoft-worship complex, everybody wanted to work there.

      Must be galling to Bill that the students at "his" bought and paid for university now have Google-stars in their eyes.

    6. Re:UW talk by Anonymous+Luddite · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >> For employees at google, which time fraction would reading slashdot come under?

      With the number of google stories that get posted I think they're editing slashdot not reading it. I Like google as much as the next guy, use it daily... but ffs.

      Enough with the gooogle stories. Give me something refreshing and insightful. Perhaps a submission by that a Roland P. guy that everyone loves?

      just a thought...

    7. Re:UW talk by zerbot · · Score: 1

      If there is no accountability, then why would missing Wall Street numbers mean anything? If the founders still have control and have no intention of selling their controlling shares, then what do they care what Wall Street thinks? That's a double edged sword, either they can completely screw over the other shareholders or they can thumb their nose at the "making next quarter's numbers" mentality and think about the long term.

      I once worked for a company whose definition of working (as a programmer) was "staring at the screen and hitting keys". If I was sketching a program or data structure on paper, that was "not working". If I was staring into space thinking through a problem, that was "not working". Taking a walk around the building to clear my head was "not working". In spite of the fact that I was the most productive person they ever had, I was always getting in trouble for "not working".

      Being able to push a knotty problem to the back of the brain for a bit really helps. Human beings are not machines, and if you try to treat them like machines, you end up losing what they can give you that machines can't.

    8. Re:UW talk by Momoru · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One impression I've gotten of Google compared to, say, Microsoft, is how quick they are to release new products

      They "release" products that are in beta all the time. If your talking when the beta tag comes off, Google's software cycles are really long (The search was beta for like 5 years).

      Also it's kind of apple's and oranges. It takes significantly more time to write an email client for Windows then it does to write a web mail client or many of Google's other programs. Google also can just "put something out there" on the web and see how people like it. Microsoft doesn't have that luxury since most of their products are software apps, not web apps. I also expect that because of the Web Accelerator debacle, Google will take a little more time to throughly vet things before putting them out there.

    9. Re:UW talk by adpowers · · Score: 1

      I don't think search was in Beta nearly that long. If you look at the image, it was out of Beta by 2001, so only like 3 years at most.

      They do have a lot of Beta software out there, but it is still usable and has features. It has been released and is available for public consumption, so beta is just a description. Also, I was trying to compare MSN with Google (since MSN competes more directly). Google has been adding a lot of search features and such faster than MSN can manage.

    10. Re:UW talk by Xzzy · · Score: 1

      People on slashdot have wondered why they haven't put advertisements on Google News and some thought it was because they would get in trouble for making money off other people's content.

      I would have figured it'd result in all kinds of unintentional jokes, you know, context sensitive stuff putting life insurance ads on a terri schiavo story.

    11. Re:UW talk by fbg111 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's also the free (large) cafeteria.

      Specifically calculated by Google to cut the lost productivity costs of Google staff leaving the campus everyday for lunch. He said this in his graduation speech at University of Michigan.

      3) Investor control. What investor control? The founders still control the majority voting block, and have ensured they will remain in control. One might as well just donate money to Google, because there's no accountability.

      Who would you rather have calling the shots at Google, Brin and Page who have so far done a bang-up job, or a bunch of second-guessing, know-nothing, back-seat-driving, kick-back-giving, short-term-only-thinking, racketeering, conniving Wall St. llamas? Having lived in NYC and worked on Wall St., I vote the former anyday. There's no honest endeavor that Wall St. can do that good engineers can't do better and with more integrity.

      When Google starts missing Wall St. numbers, expect perqs to vanish and layoffs to ensue. Also expect outsourcing to increase. Google will then be like every other public company.

      Doubt it. Google already weathered the .com bust and recession of the early 2000s. They only hire the most highly educated people they can find, and only have about 1500 employees. Google isn't a company of application developers, it's a company of computer scientists. Further, one reason Larry & Sergei retained control of the company is so that they can prevent making short-term Wall St. numbers from ever becoming a priority at Google. They're in it for the long-term, which is good for long-term investors, the kind most companies would give their left nut to attract.

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    12. Re:UW talk by fbg111 · · Score: 2, Informative

      And as for accountability, Sarbanes-Oxley ensures that any public company is financially accountable. My company is going through compliance right now, and documenting every single process, decision, deal, etc. that touches revenue in any way is a biatch. If you want accountability of strategy and business decisions, why don't you at least wait till Brin and Page make some big misjudgements before protesting as you are. Let's not kill the goose that's laying the golden egg, until or unless it's terminally ill at least.

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  13. Google will probably last forever.. by CriminalNerd · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Whoever said that Google is going to die in a couple of years was wrong. ^_^

  14. HEY!!!!! by ImaLamer · · Score: 1

    I've got Cobuyitaphobia you insensitive clod!!!

  15. Google turns Neocon with new Executive Hirings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I submitted a story that slashdot hasn't chosen to post. Recently, Google has started filling their new executive hirings with Neocons from the Bush Administration.

    Curiosly, there seems to be a lack of info on this in the American media and you need to go to foreign sources for the scoop.

    Here's The Register's article on it: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/24/google_neo con

    So much for "Don't be evil."

    Google's newest executive that they hired was spotted jogging in Iraq wearing a Bush/Cheney '04 T-shirt, and is a key player from the Bush Administration. Is this an attempt by Google to get in good with the current US government, in a bid to get more enterprise Defense contracts?

    1. Re:Google turns Neocon with new Executive Hirings by Senor_Programmer · · Score: 1

      It's the way one does business with the govt.

      Google is a business first and your friend 2nd.

      It may turn out to be the sort of friend who gets you hooked on grak (google-crack) and make you pay for it with personal information.

      Free searching? Sure, but we need your SSN. Free searching? Sure, just fill out this survey. Free searching? Sure, BTW we pulled your credit report. Free searching? Only if you allow your ISP to reveal the IP you are using....

      I'm not anti-corporate, but would like to see a distributed index-search-archive FOSS competitor, right down to the advert marketing with funds returned co-op fashion to the hosting participants. Sort of a SETI at home meets bit-torrent with statistical spreading based error anticipation and participants coming on and off line. (RAID on steroids). Rambling here because I've done diddly squat as far as research ;-)

      What's google got that could not be done with a global network devoting some disk space, processor ticks, and bandwidth?

    2. Re:Google turns Neocon with new Executive Hirings by halltk1983 · · Score: 1

      a leader

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    3. Re:Google turns Neocon with new Executive Hirings by bogie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well one hire isn't exactly a "trend".

      About him, he is about as far right as it gets so automatically I of course hate him, but let's see where google is 5 years from now before you call what they are doing evil.

      Not to excuse them for hiring someone "like him" but I'd be more suprised if they hird someone way left of center to be their "new Global Communications and Strategy VP". Its a right leaning time afterall and if anyone can grease the wheels for Google domination in both the us and aboard its a humanoid like him.

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    4. Re:Google turns Neocon with new Executive Hirings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope not...

      Google indexes my whole desktop/mail/messenging/web history and tracks every web searches I do. They also know what addresses I looked up with google maps.

      There's some serious data mining to do for identifying potential terrorists, and pre-emptively taking them to some offshore base.

      If its true, its time to stop using Google.

      Oops! I hope they wont take me away for writing that.

      *posts anonymously*

    5. Re:Google turns Neocon with new Executive Hirings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, That is the tough part of any venture and why he gets the big bux. Guys like this are few and far between in FOSS once the zealots are screened out.

      Who with the skill to run a successful commercial venture, would choose to run a co-op instead?

      -SPb

    6. Re:Google turns Neocon with new Executive Hirings by logic+hack · · Score: 2, Funny

      Who better to enlist the help of in the search for WMD's than Google.

    7. Re:Google turns Neocon with new Executive Hirings by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 0, Troll

      Business acumen thats sorely lacking in the free loading, give me everything for free no matter what it costs you to provide it to me, open source world?

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    8. Re:Google turns Neocon with new Executive Hirings by ggvaidya · · Score: 1

      Your search - WMDs +iraq - did not match any documents.

      Did you mean "WMDs +north +korea"?

    9. Re:Google turns Neocon with new Executive Hirings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So there is an opening!

  16. The product *I* want to see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A Google GMail [TM] Appliance.

    Being stuck using *shudder* Outlook at work makes me wish we had GMail mailboxes at work.

    Even if I could invite everyone in the company to use GMail, I'm sure they don't want our company data in a server we don't even control. But if there were some GMail Appliance, not unlike their search appliance...

    Oh well, who am I kidding? It's probably in the works already... I just need to convince the boss higher ups that Outlook sucks ass (not hard...) and one of those would be much nicer whenever Google finally gets them out of beta...

    1. Re:The product *I* want to see... by Kergan · · Score: 1
      I just need to convince the boss higher ups that Outlook sucks ass (not hard...) and one of those would be much nicer whenever Google finally gets them out of beta...


      I'm not sure it'll be as easy as you expect... I find that MSN consistently outperforms Google on search and newsbot. Imho, odds are greater that your boss will wait until MS releases a new Outlook, with a built-in search tool and a conversation finder that will be more relevant than those in Gmail.
    2. Re:The product *I* want to see... by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Being stuck using *shudder* Outlook at work makes me wish we had GMail mailboxes at work."

      I wouldn't mind it, either. However, I'd miss my Todo list, notes, and some of the collaborative stuff Exchange offers with OL. Google has more work to do.

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    3. Re:The product *I* want to see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Using a Free web based email client in a enterprise is not good for security. you cannot read any logs of failed logins or stuff like that. Its nice for geeks but CEO good no!

  17. Holding a Box by Josuah · · Score: 1, Informative

    InformationWeek's most recent issue has the Google CEO on the cover holding a "search appliance" type box. Maybe not an official announcement, but seems there is a new product in there somewhere.

    1. Re:Holding a Box by burns210 · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is not anything new, I don't think.

    2. Re:Holding a Box by Gothmolly · · Score: 0

      You mean the Google Mini, the latest incarnation of their Intranet search appliance thats been available for a year now? Nice to see InformationWeek being timely.

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  18. Re:Slashdot Sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That hurt my eyes :( My geek cypher detector was buzzing like crazy. it took about 3 attempts before it focused.

  19. why do they get such good press by cinnamon+colbert · · Score: 1

    there search engine sucks - (a) no booleans for even the simplest things; (b) I have started using verizon online yellow pages for a lot searches; (c) if /. was not, for some wierd reason, hynoptized by goole, u cd fill in your own point hear

    as to how generous they are with your own time, and stuff like that, its easy to look good bicycling downhill, that is, when you are one of the very few companies taht the market is blessing with monopoly rents, it is easy to be generous, after all, att ran the greatest science lab in the world when they had the money.

    1. Re:why do they get such good press by zerbot · · Score: 1

      No booleans? Search terms are automatically and'ed, and you can put in OR if you want.

      What do they have a monopoly on? I'm not aware of any product they have that doesn't have substantial competition.

    2. Re:why do they get such good press by emcmanus · · Score: 1

      there!=their

    3. Re:why do they get such good press by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok I'll bite. Can you tell me what kind of searches google sux for? I think it's great (fast and useful) for:

      - Getting a few overview pages for a topic you're unfamiliar with.
      - Cached copies of pages that are down or overloaded.
      - Some filetype searches (google won't process filetype:mp3, but they are great for filetype:torrent)
      - Easily getting html versions of PDFs if you want them.
      - What do you mean no boolean searches? You can include words, exclude words, you can use OR, you can use the synonym operator, you can use exact phrases.

      Are you just trolling or are there better search engines out there?

    4. Re:why do they get such good press by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      boolean = short hand not for some simple and, but something like comment AND slashdot AND (domain = .com) and (domain not equal to *a.com)...

      I don't think you can easily do this - at least you can by filling out the form

      monopoly - show some common sense here - effective monompoly, not de jure.

    5. Re:why do they get such good press by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes and no
      compared to what was before, u r right, google is fabulous - i use it myself sometimes a dozen times a day

      but, compared to where it shd be, and what happens, I don't thinkg that google desrves all the hype it seems to get.

      Specific example: if you want to find a resturant in waltham MA, you will do a lot better with online yellow pages then google - the on line yellow pages filters out all of hte crap.

      Example: suppose you have a product from xyz corp - it can be difficult to find the xyz homepage in the clutter

      I could go on and on, but the point is, everyone thinks google is so great, and it is really just ok - from a /. perspective, it is like all the people who rave about MS word , and all the stuff they can do.

    6. Re:why do they get such good press by zerbot · · Score: 2, Informative

      They don't even have an effective monopoly. According to http://searchenginewatch.com/reports/article.php/2 156431 they only receive 48% of all searches.

      The only part of that search that won't work is the wildcard. But you can use -site:florida.com to exclude a particular site. You can also do stuff like comment (ebay OR slashdot) site:com -site:florida.com

    7. Re:why do they get such good press by NanoGator · · Score: 1
      "there!=their"


      Function: GrammarNazi
      {
      a$ = ctlstring("Who gives a flying fuck?");
      return(nil);
      }
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    8. Re:why do they get such good press by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're criticisms are fair in content, but exaggerated in context. Google is not the be-all and end-all of searches, and certainly we all have features we'd like to see, but as an overall general purpose search engine, wouldn't you say it's currently the best the world has to offer?

      If it is, of course people will get over-enthusiastic about it, but trying to balance that by saying their search engine "sucks" doesn't (in my opinion) enlighten anyone.

    9. Re:why do they get such good press by FooFooFoolish · · Score: 1

      No booleans? -foo and +bar seem to work beautifully for me...

    10. Re:why do they get such good press by anjackson · · Score: 1

      A basic * wildcard is supported. Try searching for something like "I * slashdot".

  20. Re:Slashdot Sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Care to explain?

  21. Geez.. slashdot is scooped by print... by rdewalt · · Score: 1

    I've had this issue of InformationWeek on my desk since last friday... I usually try and get my breaking news from online... not dead trees.

    1. Re:Geez.. slashdot is scooped by print... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot is outdated and full of dupes. News at eleven (or next year if you're reading this on Slashdot)!

  22. Consider the source? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And the Register is a reliable source on any of this because... ? Moreover, you start out talking like they're filling *all* their executive slots with neocons, then go on to say that they've only actually hired *one* guy who apparently supports Bush[1].

    C'mon, the Register always trolls for hits. Granted, they're not /quite/ as bad as O'Gara, but the Register DID just reprint that article from Lyons[2] of Forbes about the loss of BitKeeper meaning impending doom for Linux or whatever.

    [1] Google can't discriminate by political party when it's not relevant to the job, and it's not very clear how that criteria could be relevant from a job performance standpoint for someone working at Google. Half the voters in the USA, more or less, voted for Bush in the last election so the chance that they didn't hire anyone who voted for Bush would be vanishingly small given the number of US citizens they've hired. In fact, ANY company hiring US citizens that doesn't discriminate in hiring by political part and which has a reasonably large workforce is virtually guaranteed to have hired at least one person who voted for Bush. The chance of them NOT hiring at least one such person is (.5)^N where N is the number of workers, and we assume that the workers are selected randomly from the available workforce. Yes, this is an extreme oversimplification because the workforce may not overlap very well with those who voted, and various regions they hire from will display different political leanings, but it's a good enough approximation to show just how quickly your odds of NOT hiring someone who voted for Bush vanish if you don't discriminate based on that criterion.

    [2] Lyons, for those who have forgotten, long ago joined Enderle, Didio, O'Gara & co. in spreading SCO FUD and other nonsense. He also interviewed one of the ex-Sys-Con editors with a slant that implied that he was working on a piece about O'Gara getting fired over the whole "outing" of PJ thing, and perhaps even contemplating repeating some of that irrelevant libel O'Gara published. Hopefully his editors quashed that one realizing that it might well expose Forbes to a lawsuit. I'd say it could hurt Forbes' reputation, too, but frankly they don't *have* any reputation to speak of right now, as far as I personally am concerned--any time they're mentioned any more, I tell people how worthless their magazine is and that they could just read PR Newswire directly if they thought it was some kind of substitute for actual research.

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  23. Gmail Lockdowns?! by sabat · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Maybe this putz can explain to us why Gmail has started randomly locking out its users for 24 hours at a time -- accusing them of "irregular activity." I'm a victim, and I know I haven't done anything "irregular" with my Gmail account.

    How can this guy talk about enterprise apps when they can't even figure out how to run an email service? (Without picking on random, innocent users, anyway.)

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    1. Re:Gmail Lockdowns?! by chrisd · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Have you considered filing a bug, putz?

      Chris

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    2. Re:Gmail Lockdowns?! by Jerivix · · Score: 1

      Gotta agreee with you here, I never saw the lockdown coming. Unfortunately, if they ever had a person read my "I didn't do nothin" mail, they didn't respond. I checked what had changed just before I started getting locked out, and the answer startled me. Greasemonkey. I installed the script to add a "mark as read" button, and shortly thereafter (about a day), I got my first lockdown. I uninstalled the script on my machines and *presto* no more lockdown. My guess is that it's some shoddy code pinging the server to much, but I didn't look it over too closely.

      Anything similar?

      Note: This is not to say I don't enjoy the general attitude Google took towards the lockdown. I.E. The "Lockdown in Sector 7" page title brought a smile to my face. Until I realized I needed to use my mail. Oh well!

    3. Re:Gmail Lockdowns?! by EnglishTim · · Score: 1

      Whine Whine Bitch Bitch

      Oh no! I'm using a free email service that is still in beta and it doesn't work perfectly for me!

      Whine Whine! Bitch Bitch!

    4. Re:Gmail Lockdowns?! by sabat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Gee, Chris, do you think calling your customers "putz" is a good idea?

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    5. Re:Gmail Lockdowns?! by sabat · · Score: 1

      I think I figured out what triggered mine: I had been trying Tor (tor.eff.org), the anonymizer that makes it look like you're coming from various IPs from around the world. That seems to have triggered a rule that says you shouldn't log in from a bunch of different IPs in a short time.

      I never got a personal response, but Google did send a short letter with some standard explanations, and I did write them back to explain about Tor, in case they hadn't considered the anonymizer factor before.

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    6. Re:Gmail Lockdowns?! by sabat · · Score: 1

      Bite me, you lymie.

      Gmail is not free. They show ads, and I pay for the service by having to see them. You lose on that one.

      Being in beta does not mean you need to lock people out of accounts for 24 hours; an hour or less would do fine. You lose again.

      Software that is in "beta" for over a year is not in beta. It's just being held back, probably because of legal issues.

      Man, that was easy. I wonder why you couldn't beat us in those wars we had, way back when. :-p

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    7. Re:Gmail Lockdowns?! by EnglishTim · · Score: 1

      Bite me, you lymie.
      It's spelled 'Limey'.

      Gmail is not free. They show ads, and I pay for the service by having to see them.

      So, does that mean you pay billboard owners when you drive past them as well?

      Software that is in "beta" for over a year is not in beta

      It is still in beta because they don't feel that they've got it into its final incarnation yet. They'll stop calling it beta once they've stopped making the kind of changes that have been causing you problems. That's why they call it beta - they don't yet want to give the kind of guarantee of stability that you would expect from non-beta software. You have evidently chosen to ignore this.

      Man, that was easy. I wonder why you couldn't beat us in those wars we had, way back when.

      Yes, I'm sure your blinding display of internet debating skill is directly related to the courage, spirit and vision of your forebears when they fought against the British...

      Having said that, I wonder what the result of the upcoming USA vs England football (sorry, 'soccer') tonight will be... Our manager is fielding a rather young and inexperienced squad today and it'll be rather embarassing if you beat us...

  24. Re:Slashdot Sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Took me a second. It says /. sucks in the bolded letters. Don't look at the letters, look at the picture.

  25. Did you read the new VP's background? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The person is not just a "Bush voter," but rather an integral player in the Bush Administration. I get the sense he was hired more for his connections than his merits at technology.

  26. Eric Schmidt at University of Washington today by imnoteddy · · Score: 2, Informative
    /. readers might be interested in an mp3 of a talk given by Mr. Schmidt at the University of Washington today (26 May 2005).

    http://videosrv14.cs.washington.edu/info/audio/mp3 /colloq/ESchmidt_050526.mp3

    Probably more relevant to techies than TFA. Interestingly, ge stopped his prepared statement about halfway into his alloted 50 minutes to take questions.

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    1. Re:Eric Schmidt at University of Washington today by JoeSmack · · Score: 1

      Any slides?

  27. Evil Skunkshop by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1, Informative

    Google's finally getting big enough to open an "Evil Department" - they've hired White House propagandist^Wspokesman and Carlyle Group exec Dan Senor.

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  28. self-serving claptrap alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "We have customer, the National Park Service, and they told this story. The guy said, 'We wanted to put [the Google appliance] on all 36 Web sites of the National Park Service. We created a plan. It was about a two-month plan. The box showed up. We turned it on and the next day it was working with better search that we'd had and we couldn't figure out what to do with the other 58 days.' And that's the kind of thing--people have an expectation that these things are going to be painful. We love that joy, the simplicity when these things just work."

    In fact that is just one customer experience, and it is hardly typical. But it annoys the hell out of me when these corporate drones try and smoothly persuade by seemingly casual anecdote, when in fact it is carefully chosen, sometimes even crafted, to support a point they're trying to market.

    It's almost as if they think we are too dumb to realize they're tooting their own horns if they toot by means of a telling narrative, that is somehow supposed to turn off our b.s. detector.

    Screw them all, I tell you.

  29. Choice Quote by fungai · · Score: 1

    The interview was fairly interesting, until this choice quote:
    "Transparency is not necessarily the only way you achieve security. For example, part of the encryption algorithms are not typically made available to the open source community, because you don't want people discovering flaws in the encryption."

    All good encryption algorithms are made public and transparent so that you and the top cryptographers in the world can inspect it, try to break it and eventually trust it. Encryption who's strength is based on secrecy and security through obscurity will never gain trust, because it could contain backdoors etc. You want people to uncover flaws in the algorithms, either so to you can fix it, or know to stay the fuck away from it.

    The only "secret" part of good encryption is the private key, anything else is public, especially the algorithms (math).

    This kind of soured the interview for me. How much else that he said is just pulled randomly from his ass?

  30. What's cool about Google? For real? by Wolfhart · · Score: 0

    If anyone can tell me what exactly is either cool, innovative, wonderful, awesome, or so damn interesting about Google I will offer up my mod-points for whoring. I don't think anyone can come with a convincing argument. As usual, media drummed it up and you let it ring in your reptile brain. It's a search engine. It may even be the best search engine. And it has an extensively sized mailaccount. And supposedly they're not doing this for money or some other stupid horseshit from more reptiles. But no one sees it just for what it is, a well-executed Yahoo runner-up. Google is Titanic and the iceberg it is about to hit is the fact that they haven't innovated worth shit since innoculation and crowning.

  31. Rah Rah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is all I really need to say....

    What you say is what investors said in the '90s.

    As far as Google riding out anything, they haven't ridden out any bust as a public company. It's an important distinction.

    Nobody likes a bear. Nobody.

  32. This is not overtly evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Don't confuse Google wanting government contracts with Google moving towards evil on privacy issues.

    It is likely that Google already has a streamlined process for complying with warrants from local or federal law enforcement. The indexing of your search terms, ip addresses, and handy identity provided by your gmail account shouldn't be a problem unless you're being investigated for something specific.

    Google hiring smarm-dork Dan Senor may be most offensive simply because it is another case of individuals going back and forth between private and public service with conflicts of interest. E.g., Dick Cheney moving from a position with Halliburton where he would lobby for goverment contracts to a goverment position where he could directly provide those contracts, and, who knows, maybe back to Halliburton when his deplorable stint as VP is over.

    Dan Senor is a very typical DC political climber who marries himself to one or the other political parties with absolute allegiance in order to earn advancement. Especially republicans have a well established system of rewards to mindless sycophants like him.

  33. Control of media is 21st century's H-bomb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Here's The Register's article on it: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/24/google_neo con

    And Finnish television and radio (for the whole country) may have gotten a Manchurian candidate from Micro$oft. Who know's untill he's proven himself one way or the other.