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Roger Ebert Answers Star Wars Questions

pamri writes "Roger Ebert, in his weekly answer-man column, answers Star War related questions, chief among them being, why he gave the "Revenge of the Sith" 3.5 stars despite his criticism of the acting and whether George Lucas be faulted for violating his own work?"

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  1. Ebert: My Job is So Easy by mfh · · Score: 5, Funny
    Here is my vivisection of Ebert's replies:
    "I got a lot of messages saying there was a disconnect between my star rating and my review. Perhaps there was."
    Translation: "My job is so easy. You caught me fucking the dog. Heh! Okay, but that doesn't mean I will actually stop fucking the dog."
    "Star ratings are the bane of my existence, because I consider them to be relative and yet by their nature, they seem to be absolute."
    Translation: "Math is subjective. My job is so fucking easy."
    "Star Wars: Episode III" returned to the space opera roots of the original film and succeeded on that level, and for that I wanted to honor it, while regretting that it did not succeed at the levels of intelligence and wit as it did on the levels of craftsmanship and entertainment."
    Translation: "The movie really sucked but it was fun to look at, until you tried to understand it. You just heard me say that Star wars is a space opera of robots. If my job was any fucking easier, I would not have to show up to talk about movies. SO stay tuned for Ebert & Whatshisname -- the animated version with a younger, thinner Ebert & a smaller and uglier Whatshisname, with goofy looking ears. Oh my job is so fucking easy, time to eat a taco."
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    1. Re:Ebert: My Job is So Easy by screwthemoderators · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Dude, chill. Your sense of humor is undermined by real bitterness. You have obviously turned to the Dark Side! Ebert is not spreading "Jedi lies," your mind has been twisted by the Dark side of the Force!

    2. Re:Ebert: My Job is So Easy by Ubergrendle · · Score: 5, Informative

      Given your low slashdot number I'll assume you were making an attempt at humour, and not trolling.

      Anyone who has followed Ebert knows that for decades he has hated the star rating system, but subjects himself to it since its whats expected by newspapers. His 'thumbs up, thumbs down' was an attempt to abstract this a bit, saying "its worth watching on its merits" or not. You can't compare Citizen Kane to Die Hard...both are 'good' movies, but one clearly transcends its medium whereas the other is just good ass-kicking goodness.

      Kiss kiss, bang bang.

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    3. Re:Ebert: My Job is So Easy by blonde+rser · · Score: 5, Funny

      Really? I don't know if I'd really qualify Citizen Kane as ass-kicking goodness.

    4. Re:Ebert: My Job is So Easy by jericho4.0 · · Score: 3, Informative

      He bought the account on eBay. I'm not making this up. Now is he a troll?

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    5. Re:Ebert: My Job is So Easy by sg3000 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      > Translation: "My job is so easy

      Ebert has always said that he hates the "star" ratings, but his newspaper makes him do it. Unfortunately, most readers just want to quickly glance at a rating rather than read a review and draw their conclusions.

      Ebert has said before that the ratings are relative in that if the movie is intended to be a popcorn action movie, then he rates the movie compared to that. If it is expected to be art, he rates the movie against that.

      Ebert is a very good reviewer, and he really knows his stuff about movies, although the wearing a sweater on TV and doing the thumbs up thing may mask that. I watched the DVD for "Dark City," and he did a commentary for it, and it was amazing what he drew out of it. Watching it and listening to it, I felt like I was sitting in a graduate level film class.

      I think one problem is that Ebert is that he watches too many movies that he must review, and sometimes he glosses over a movie because he expects that he doesn't need to study it at a deeper level.

      For example, Ebert's review of Episode II was very superficial (to the point that he even misquoted some key dialog in his review). However, on the whole he is probably correct that Episode II does not stand alone as a movie, and must be viewed in the context of the other movies, and his reviews rate movies based on how they stand alone.

      In contrast, someone on Slashdot linked to another review of the movie by David Begor where he draws out the symbolism in the movie. The review is quite enlightening, and it changed the way I viewed the movies, as I could recognize the symbolism.

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    6. Re:Ebert: My Job is So Easy by lawpoop · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "Translation: "Math is subjective. My job is so fucking easy."

      How about, "Using numbers to rate movies is subjective. That's part of the difficulty of this job." ?

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    7. Re:Ebert: My Job is So Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      A Roger Ebert fanboi.

      The mere concept rattles me. I must go lay down now.

    8. Re:Ebert: My Job is So Easy by moviepig.com · · Score: 2, Interesting
      How about, "Using numbers to rate movies is subjective. That's part of the difficulty of this job." ?

      (Clearly, I have a vested interest in this complaint, but...) I've never understood Ebert's relativity rationale. How are we poor schnook viewers to choose our fare, when Ebert gives 3.5 stars to some mindless b-movie merely for being in focus? It smacks a bit of those "most underrated player" awards...

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    9. Re:Ebert: My Job is So Easy by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Interesting
      The movie was a turkey. How retarded are the critics anyway?.

      Did a quick google, and couldn't find any critics that panned the movie. It's like they all were afraid - "If I pan the movie, people will reviel me" or some other shit. So here is my review, posted earlier today:

      That great slurping sound you hear - that's all the emotion being sucked out of a franchise.

      This was the WORST Star Wars ever. Half-way through, I was hoping Jar-Jar Binks would show up ... now that's pretty bad. The ONLY character played even half-decently was Obi-Wan.

      Why this was rated PG is beyond me ... probably to generate more hype, because it's TAME, LAME, and PLAIN.

      You could tell that Lucas wanted to "tie up" a bunch of threads, make some sort of continuity. Unfortunately, it is SO heavy-handed, that it leaves you with an "okay, that explains that ..." rather than an "oh, wow", with insight coming later.

      I know we're supposed to suspend belief when watching movies, but the whole storyline of how Anakin turns to the dark side is way beyond belief.

      Should have been called "Star Wars 3 - Revenge of the Special Effects", because that's all there was.

      If this hadn't been part of the "Star Wars" franchise, it would have gone straight to video, its that bad. There have been rumours of a Star Wars 7-8-9. This movie pretty much killed that idea.
      Fuck the reviewers. They're nothing more than shills nowadays. Tell people the movie is crap, you don't get any more "previews", so you're out of a job. Big deal - you're not doing your job if you lie (oh, silly me, lying is part of being a movie shill).
    10. Re:Ebert: My Job is So Easy by h4rm0ny · · Score: 3, Informative

      Fuck the reviewers. They're nothing more than shills nowadays. Tell people the movie is crap, you don't get any more "previews", so you're out of a job.

      Try the Independent's review

      It got a whopping one star out of five. It's an entertaining review, as well. I can't say whether it's accurate or not though, because I haven't seen the film. Ep. I was bad enough that I just rented Ep. II later on. Ep II was dull enough that I haven't bothered with Ep III at all.

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    11. Re:Ebert: My Job is So Easy by emilymildew · · Score: 2, Informative

      What? Julie Andrews character doesn't fall in love with a young man who becomes a Nazi; she falls in love with the father. It's one of the children she cares for who falls in love with Rolf, who later becomes a Nazi.

  2. I can understand by FidelCatsro · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The 3.5 for ROTS , it had really great action scenes and the plot was all together rather better than the previous two , unfortunatly the acting was kind of poor ,, but compared to the last two star wars films it really shines.

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    1. Re:I can understand by leathered · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, the acting was rather poor. The big exception being Ian McDiarmid who was superb at reprising his role as Palpatine/Sidious and stole the show IMO. Samuel L was rather wooden and Natalie Portman didn't deserve such a high billing for her few weepy lines.

      I still have a problem with Ewan McGregor. For me he'll always be Renton from Trainspotting. I spent much of the film waiting for him to come out with something like 'Master Yoda, I want a fucking hit now!'.

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    2. Re:I can understand by kfg · · Score: 4, Funny

      . . .compared to the last two star wars films it really shines.

      Oh goody, a polished Lump-O-Coal.

      KFG

    3. Re:I can understand by Stregone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      General Greivous had some pretty sweet fight scenes in the Clone Wars cartoon. IMO the cartoon was way better than all 3 of the new movies put together.

    4. Re:I can understand by Frequency+Domain · · Score: 2, Insightful
      ...the plot was all together rather better than the previous two...
      The plot had a hole you could drive a death star through without scraping chrome off the fenders.

      <SPOILER WARNING>

      When Vader got fried on the volcano planet Obi Wan just walked away. This is an act of extreme cruelty unworthy of a Jedi! Any Jedi worthy of the name would have put the poor lump of melted flesh out of its misery. This would have negated the existence of movies IV - VI.

    5. Re:I can understand by Golias · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's not a plot hole, that's just Obi-Wan making a bad choice.

      A plot hole his him not remembering ever owning a droid when R2 shows up at his home in the next movie claiming to be his property.

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  3. Ebert is a funny liberal by BoldAC · · Score: 5, Funny

    This guy has a great sense of humor. If you scroll to the bottom of his questions/answers section:

    Q. I greatly enjoy your reviews and the thoughtful observations they contain. However, I get a little worried about the strength of your argument in your review of "Unleashed," when you make the case for women being able to stir a man's humanity by using Ann Coulter as your example. That is the same person who claimed women should bear arms but not be able to vote.

    C. Perla, Miami

    A. Wouldn't you sleep more soundly at night knowing Ann Coulter was in the Army and not in a voting booth?


    If you like laughing at Ann Coulter, please don't miss these stories:

    http://ifuckedanncoulterintheasshard.blogspot.com/

    http://backinanncoultersasssaddleagain.blogspot.co m/

    (bye karma...)

  4. My Favorite Question by Poeir · · Score: 4, Funny

    Q. Is George Lucas a knowing Economic Terrorist? Lucas KNEW that by releasing the last "Star Wars" movie what effect it would have on the United States Economy. The movie was released on a working day. Lucas could have well waited to release his movie on Saturday or even Sunday. The effect was a $627 million loss in American Productivity.

    The box-office take was $158.5 million. That leaves a $468.5 cost to the U.S. Economy. But that's not the end of the loss. Each day, Lucas is losing $1.5 million to pirates -- a capital cost to his investors of $6 million in four days and climbing. The loss could and should have been avoided by release on a Saturday or Sunday, and Simultaneous Distribution to Television, Sales and Rentals. The question becomes, would George Lucas really damage the economy to make a point of his hate for the Republican Party and President George Bush?

    D.L. Graham, San Diego

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    1. Re:My Favorite Question by nurhussein · · Score: 2, Funny

      I liked the reply better.

      "And what did happen to Padme's pants?"

    2. Re:My Favorite Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      From Wikipedia: The Dragon Quest series is so popular in Japan that, following the release of Dragon Quest III in 1988, the Japanese Diet passed a law forbidding the release of new installments of the Dragon Quest series on any day other than a Sunday or a holiday, to prevent children from skipping school to wait in line for the latest Dragon Quest title.

  5. Not Worth Reading by tommertron · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I got sick of reading Ebert's Answer Man column a long time ago. Most of the 'answers' defer to other people, or simply don't answer anything at all. Case in point, from the linked article:

    Q. There is a pants/no-pants continuity error in Padme's maternity getup when she arrives on the lava planet. How do such errors creep into movies made with such budgets and so many eyes checking and approving things?

    Mark Suszko, Springfield, Ill.

    A. I cannot recall this detail, but as you describe it, it certainly sounds like the kind of detail that should be noticed.

    Gee, thanks Roger... you really put your advanced film knowledge to good use there.

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    1. Re:Not Worth Reading by jhoger · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hmm, I think you need to turn your humor down a little lower. His response was a combination of humor (Natalie Portman missing pants would be noticed) and burn (get a life, I'm a move critic not a SW geek, I don't care about continuity that much which is why I'm not giving you a serious answer).

  6. Ebert's just one of many by Delzuma · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There seems to be a disconnect between critics and just about everyone I've talked to about the movie. Just about every review has overlooked the awful dialog, bad editing, and crappy sructure/pacing and praised the movie as one of the best, I'm sorry but in a post-B5, Firefly world, my Sci-Fi (or Sci-Fantasy, if you prefer) requires MUCH better dialog than 14 characters commenting on how much STRESS Annakin is under. F-in STRESS! As though the Republic could have been saved if the Jedi had had a better insurance program that had covered counciling!



    Someone needs to stand up and hit Lucas with a rolled up newspaper, hopefully it'll be #2 this weekend and some lesson will be learned (though they'll probably blame it on poor elitetorrents and their crappy workprint).

    1. Re:Ebert's just one of many by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      your wish may become true.
      Boxofficemojo is showing that on Friday ROTS was beaten out by "The longest yard".
      Way to go Sandler and Kid Rock.

      You know, I stood in the lines for both of the previous sequels for both tickets and seats, but I don't think I'm gonna see this one.
      And no, I won't torrent it either. I'm just not that interested in it, and know that Lucas couldn't present a believable story about the origins of Darth Vader...

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    2. Re:Ebert's just one of many by learn+fast · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I watched some of the originals (originals, mind you -- VHS and everything) this weekend. Conclusion: I didn't enjoy them as much having seen the first 3. They were actually made worse by the prequels.

      The backstory between Vader and Obi-wan was much, much more interesting to have to imagine yourself than Lucas' fluid, undulating, oscillating animation and flat story, characters and acting.

      You know what? The special effects in the original, non-special edition Star Wars movies looks cheesy. You know what? It doesn't matter. I don't care that I can't see the ice creature on Hoth very well. Does the fact that we can't see Vader's ships landing on Hoth affect our enjoyment of the movie? No! You know what? HUMAN IMAGINATION IS BETTER THAN ANY CGI. If you can imply something, fine, sometimes it's actually as good as spending a cajillion dollars on the CGI.

      What imagination needs is compelling, interesting characters. And story. If you can make the audience want to imagine the characters, they will. And that's as good, if not better, as rendering the same thing in CGI.

      The prequels made the characters worse. Pah.

      Someone needs to go back in time to 1986 QUICK and kill George Lucas. OR, for the faint of heart, convince him that it would be really cool if he made the prequels using ONLY 1978 technology. I guarantee that would have made a much more interesting movie.

    3. Re:Ebert's just one of many by Thenomain · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I didn't enjoy [the original Star Wars movies] as much having seen the first 3.

      I've been thinking something like this, myself. When someone said, "We should see all six movies in the order they were meant to be seen," I surprised myself by snapping out, "No!"

      Part of what made the original three movies enjoyable was the mystery and the discovery through the characters. Either Darth Vader/Luke Skywalker encounter is not as tense if you know what to expect. Okay, so we know now, but experiencing the story through the characters themselves it's nice to watch their actions and reactions change.

      Yeah, we're not talking Citizen Kane, here, but watching the original series first then the prequels are the only way I could imagine watching Star Wars, if I was going to. The prequels are largely an explanation of the original movies. The way it's "meant" to be watched? 4-5-6, 1-2-3 for me, thanks.

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  7. Funeral Procession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    An odd observation - I have seen all the SW movies their first weekend out with the exception of ANH, which I saw about a month or so after it opened, though it was still a *packed* house just as the opening weekends of the others. I remember at the end of each movie, people cheered, clapped, went nuts, and were generally really, really positive (even with Empire, which ended on a down note).

    With thRevenge of the Sith, people filed out of the packed theater *without a sound.* It was like leaving a funeral. Completely different from the others, it was strangely depressing. Anyone else see this?

    1. Re:Funeral Procession by INeededALogin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not at the iMax in Atlanta. People were cheering, but I wasn't sure why.

      Now, the reason that this movie is a lot more successful than the others(IMHO), is that it plays a lot on nostalgia, it has some pretty good effects, and it answers a lot of questions that we all had.

      Oh, before I forget about it

      Anybody else remember in Empire when Ghost Obi Wan is talking about "he is our last hope" and Yoda says... "No, their is another". Exactly why was Obi Wan so clueless!!!! That was the first thing that popped in my head when I saw Obi Wan hearing the names of the two kids and seeing them off.

    2. Re:Funeral Procession by sg3000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      > Anybody else remember in Empire when Ghost Obi Wan is
      > talking about "he is our last hope" and Yoda says... "No, their
      > is another". Exactly why was Obi Wan so clueless!!!! That was
      > the first thing that popped in my head when I saw Obi Wan
      > hearing the names of the two kids and seeing them off.

      It's the difference between hope and despair.

      I know that some people are desperate to find plot continuity errors between Episodes I/II/III and IV/V/VI in hope to justify some sort of emotional reason to reject the latter produced episodes -- "See! Obi-Wan has a different mole in Episode IV than in Episode III, so the prequels don't count!!1!" However, this isn't the case.

      This isn't simply a matter of hunting down the second twin and starting her training. Remember, Palpatine and Vader killed all the other Jedi. Palpatine defeated Yoda who was the strongest Jedi (after Anakin lost his limbs). Vader struck down Obi-Wan. In short, Sideous and Vader were tough to beat.

      Obi-Wan had lost hope and he really thought that Luke was going to fail. Just like Anakin's love for Padme sent him to the Dark Side, Obi-Wan thought that Luke's love for his friends would send him to the Dark Side. Obi-Wan was feeling despair and he couldn't imagine they would succeed by starting over with the other twin. He had simply given up hope.

      Yoda clearly was upset, but he was optimistic enough to at least try to start over. "There is another." I guess when you're ~800 years old, you have tremendous patience, and you're willing to fail 99 times and still start over for the 100th time. So while Obi-Wan lost hope, Yoda didn't.

      However, in Episode V, Yoda and Obi-Wan both failed again the same way they did in Episode III; they gave up on their friends too easily. Remember how Yoda told Luke it was okay to let his friends die? Didn't he tell Anakin the same thing in Episode III? That's one of the things that drove Anakin to the Dark Side.

      The reason for this is related to a flaw in the Jedi order. The Jedi knew that passions (like hatred and anger) lead to the Dark Side. Their answer was to eschew emotions. I believe one of Lucas's themes is that their choice was wrong.

      Jedi weren't allow to have attachments or to love (Episode II). The Jedi were so afraid of using the Dark Side, that they went the wrong way and became unemotional. Lucas's point is that is wrong. Love and friendship were the right course of action. That's why the Force had to be brought back into balance. In their own way, the unemotional Jedi were as bad (okay, almost as bad) as the hate-filled Sith.

      Luke on the other hand felt emotion. His love for his friends brought him to rescue Han Solo and eventually save his father. So emotions were not to be eschewed, but were to be used constructively. Was there a danger to allowing love to lead to the Dark Side? Of course (case in point: Anakin). But the risk of not feeling love at all was worse.

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    3. Re:Funeral Procession by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The real question is: Why did Obi Wan have to talk Yoda into training Luke? Why not 'Waiting for you, I have been. Late you are; your training we must start.' What's with the 'no, he's too old' stuff?

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    4. Re:Funeral Procession by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, I think you've done an excellent job retro-conning the concept.

      Myself, I'd say that Obi-Wan and Yoda didn't want Luke to know that he had this grand role to play; they were more or less using him for their own devices. Which is understandable, in war and what not. Note that Vader later plays on this to try to divide Luke from Obi and Yoda.

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  8. The Bell Curve? by No+Such+Agency · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Buffy - "I really thought that you were a nice, normal guy."
    Riley - "I am a nice, normal guy."
    Buffy - "Maybe by this town's standards, but I'm not grading on a curve."
    - Buffy The Vampire Slayer

    Like Buffy's love life, movie reviews should be on an absolute scale, not comparing a film to previous films of the same series. Because, quite frankly, I'm sure ROTS is f**king brilliant compared to the previous two. That doesn't make it a good movie, it makes it "less sucky".

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    1. Re:The Bell Curve? by ajs · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ebert didn't say he was comparing to any particular other films. He said that it, "returned to the space opera roots of the original film and succeeded on that level."

      That is to say, you don't take Who Framed Roger Rabbit and say that it's a failure because the dramatic tension isn't up to the standards of The Godfather.

      Star Wars: Episode III: Revenge of the Sith is one of the best space operas to hit the movie screen, IMHO. That doesn't mean it has great dialog because dialog isn't what that genre is about. It's about sense of wonder, action, visual prestidigitation and the use of the awe-inspiring scale of space as a cinematic tool.

      Also, what's this nonsense about movies being considered in absolute terms?! I've never heard such silliness. There are NO ABSOLUTES in film-making. I've heard real-life conversations that make every line of dialog in RoTS sound like Robert Frost, but that doesn't mean that RoTS is "better than real life", it just means that there is a quality of dialog that pleases my ear and sensibilities that is found more so in RoTS than in some real-life conversation, and even more so in many films. This is, and can only be, a relative comparison. There's no metric unit of good dialog or indeed of movies as a whole. If there were, no one would debate the outcome of the Oscars.

    2. Re:The Bell Curve? by zippthorne · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Moviemakers used to put really fake sounding riccochet sounds whenever bullets were fired in films. eventually everyone saw through it and now you very rarely see the same.

      At one time, it was thought that especially serious movies should have some kind of comic relief, either a character that's so stupid you wonder how he breathes or some kind of happy fun dance at the end. This appears campy by today's standards.

      Today films have ever more realistic special effects and are getting better at avoiding the pitfals of terminally stupid characters. (except lucas ;pasdlkfja)

      The fad today seems to be 'Accessable language' no attempt is made at proper english (USAian or UKian). Instead, popular idioms are used who's meaning is obvious and far from deep. One half expected yoda to say, "Palpatine, grass your ass is" Which sounds forceful and meaningful the first time around, but leaves a sour taste in the mouth on further viewings. Padme talking to anikin about stress is another. It only served to remind me how much better Lady Macbeth's dialog was in shakespeare's play. Yes, real people talk like that all the time, but real people also go to bars and talk about 'them titties' that just walked by. Neither is good storytelling.

      My only real complaint with ep III was the horrible dialog. It would almost be better to watch the film karaoke style than listen to the meaningless drivel that spews from apparantly intelligent mouths. (You expect JarJar to speak ignorantly, but the leader of the Jedi Council?)

      I definately agree that the "first three" serve to make the universe and events of the "original three" seem smaller and less significant.

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  9. PANTS/NO PANTS?! by No+Such+Agency · · Score: 5, Funny

    Natalie Portman was involved in a "no-pants continuity error"? I'm surprised this wasn't on the front page as its own article.

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    1. Re:PANTS/NO PANTS?! by Tim+Browse · · Score: 3, Funny

      Indeed - when I read that, I felt a great disturbance in the slashdot, as if a million voices moaned out, and then were silenced.

  10. Oh Please! The algorithm for a movie critic is ... by wowbagger · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Oh Please! The algorithm for a movie critic is simple.

    First, you ask yourself "Was this film made for movie critics?" - in other words, lots of "character development" (i.e. pointless talking that does not REALLY develop the character), lots of "stunning camera work" (e.g. artsy shots of rotting fruit), and so on. If yes, then you blither on about the film, and how it is a shame that nobody in "the mainstream" will "get it" - thus assuring your street cred with other movie critics. The people who make your column pay (the common man) won't care. Next movie.

    Failing that, you ask yourself "Is this film likely to be a popular success?" - such as a Terminator movie, or Back to the Future. If so, you give it a good review, so that the people who actually make your column a success won't stop reading you. It won't hurt your movie critic street cred: the other movie critics will understand - they will be doing the same thing. Next movie.

    Lastly, if there is some question as to whether the movie will be a success, you do one of two things: You either give it
    • a glowing write-up but a poor numerical rating, or
    • a high numerical rating but a poor write-up.
    That way, you are covered no matter what: if the movie is a success, you point to your glowing review (or high rating), and say "See! I told you this was a good movie!". If it is a total flop at the box office, you point to your poor rating (or bad review), and say "See! I told you this was going to be a flop!" Either way, you conveniently ignore the part of your review that was incorrect.

    So, Ebert just did the third option: he knows the movie will be a box office success, but he doesn't know what the fans will say after they've seen the movie, especially a few months afterwards, when the blush is off the rose. So, he gives the movie a good numerical rating, but then gives it a poor review. So, right now, when the movie is popular, he can point to the high rating and say "See! I know what I am talking about - you want to read ALL my reviews, and my web site, and my books, and....". Months from now, when rationality rears its unwelcome head and people start saying "Yes, the visuals were stunning, but I've heard more convincing delivery of dialog in pornos" he can point to his text reviews and say "See! I know what I am talking about - you want to read ALL my reviews, and my web site, and my books, and....".

  11. Excuse Me? by mfh · · Score: 3, Funny

    Aha, not a troll then so much as a genuine idiot. I wonder if he could afford some swamp land.

    I'm still standing here, you know.

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    1. Re:Excuse Me? by kyouteki · · Score: 5, Funny

      Then maybe you should spend money on a chair.

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  12. Re:Ebert Overlooked Major Inconsistency by avalys · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How is that significant? It makes absolutely no difference to the story, it's just a petty quibble about a minor detail.

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  13. Re:But by Tim+Browse · · Score: 5, Funny
    Maybe Ep III is fun to look at, but I was bored to death while watching it, going on fast forward ever so often, because I couldn't stand it. Sometimes i wasn't bored, but got angry at the stupidness. Fast forwarding in a StarWars movie!

    You fast-forwarded the movie? Didn't the other people in the cinema get upset?

  14. Re:But by Udo+Schmitz · · Score: 2, Funny

    Uhm, yeah, well ... No, they didn't like it too ... Did I said i fast forwarded the movie? I meant I fell asleep during it. Yeah, that's it. I was sleeping! Look! There! Nekkid women!

  15. Re:Ebert Overlooked Major Inconsistency by prator · · Score: 2, Informative

    As an aside, there is also an annoying difference between C3PO's voice in the new trilogy and the voice in the original trilogy.

    I haven't gone back to listen to the movies to see if there is something odd about C-3PO's voice, but Anthony Daniels has always done his voice.

    -prator

  16. Re:Hayden is just a terrible actor. by starphish · · Score: 3, Informative

    He is terrible in Star Wars. I wouldn't say he is terrible in general. I thouhgt he was great in Shattered Glass. The same it true of Natalie Portman. Good in just about everything else but Star Wars.

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  17. Re:Use the Force, Ebert! Dark City by Golias · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To be fair, 1998 was a dismal year for movies.

    Sure, there was Saving Private Ryan, but otherwise? Yikes!

    Shakespeare in Love won the Oscar that year, in spite of being one of the shittiest movies Miramax ever made. Other movies that year included:

    Bullworth
    Patch Adams
    Godzilla (US Version)
    Armageddon
    Deep Impact

    Need I go on?

    Dark City was a very good movie in a year which only saw two or three very good movies.

    And yes, he does focus on cinematography. He's said many times that film is not a mere storytelling medium. It's also a work of art crafted with light and sound.

    Otherwise, there would be no "film buffs", and everybody would be perfectly happy watching all movies on 13" TV sets.

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  18. Re:Ebert Overlooked Major Inconsistency by HaloZero · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The voice is higher-pitched, and sometimes even shrill. Daniels spoke with a slow, consistent tone in the original three, and in the newer three, it seems as if he is rushing the words. However, the pitch is so consistant, I would blame it on audio effects.

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  19. Re:Ebert Overlooked Major Inconsistency by Vertdang · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Apparently, the power source (possibly the batteries) is located in the torso.

    While your assumption is interesting, it's not necessarily correct. The difference between being shot by a plasma weapon (that uses excited gasses... as opposed to a phaser, which is modulated light) is energy overload. Perhaps the blaster shorted 3p0's head, where an impact would not.

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  20. Re:Ebert Overlooked Major Inconsistency by Fnkmaster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The audio engineers just processed it differently, I'm guessing. I mean, I can notice a slight difference, but it doesn't really bother me in any meaningful way. Maybe the droids got a frigging tuneup in the intervening 20 years.

  21. Re:Ebert Overlooked Major Inconsistency by Golias · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...His head is detached, and the power is off. Apparently, the power source (possibly the batteries) is located in the torso. Later, Chewbacca re-attaches the head, and it turns back on. Of course, C3PO continues his comedic monologue.

    Now, in SW II, we see that C3PO loses his head again when an assembly tool knocks it off in the droid factory. However, the head continues to be powered and keeps talking....


    One possible explanation: NiCad battery in the head, charger in the torso (where there is some kind of generator.) The battery got fried when he was shot in Empire, so he needed the juice from the charger to power up.

    Another: The torso has nothing to do with head power. Chewie just happened to close a broken circuit (or open a short) when he put the head on.

    Of all the possible nitpicks I've heard, this isn't really a very big one.

    Watch any version of Star Wars prior to the DVD (including a bootleg of the theatrical "Special Edition.")

    After killing Ben, Darth walks toward the Falcon and the iris doors close in front of him... They forgot to animate his lightsaber! He's carrying a metal stick.

    Not good enough for you? Try this one: In III, Obi-Wan says goodbye to R2 after all they had been through together. In IV, he doesn't recognize him at all. "I don't remember owning a droid."

    Still want more? Leia tells Luke about her childhood memories of their mother... but now it turns out that mom died on the delivery room table. Either Leia was never told (and never suspected) that she was adopted, or she sees dead people.

    There. That should be enough to fuel your nitpicks for a while.

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  22. Re:Oh Please! The algorithm for a movie critic is by moranar · · Score: 2, Funny
    First, you ask yourself "Was this film made for movie critics?"

    Penny Arcade are, as always, right on the money.

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  23. Everyone's missing the point of this movie by scolby · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ebert, Roeper, that guy waiting in line in a stormtrooper outfit...they're all missing the true point of this movie. It's not about an innocent man's decent into darkness. That's just a subplot, a minor detail if you will. No, this is George Lucas's attempt at a public service announcement about the importance of contraceptives. Because if Anakin hadn't knocked up Padme, he wouldn't have had visions of her dying in childbirth, he wouldn't have searched for the power to save her, and he wouldn't have sold his soul to Palpatine in a vain attempt to do so. Because even in a world as technologically advanced, like a few inches of impermeable rubber, that make the world go round.

  24. Re:But by superpulpsicle · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ok, most AMericans in a life time watch probably 90% Hollywood made films. Well-written is a term so unbelievably diluted in U.S mainstream cinema.

    Die Hard as well as Revenge of the Sith was written mediocre at best. These are substance movies with enough machine guns and hype to attract the average crowd. I rarely if ever give credit to Hollywood screenwriting. Where Hollywood always shine is the producing and directing.

  25. Obligatory Penny-Arcade Quote by Sentry21 · · Score: 2, Funny

    First, you ask yourself "Was this film made for movie critics?"

    It's not for you.

  26. Tired of anti-movie pop bashing by Paradox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is a whole subculture these days just for people who dislike movies because they have the potential to be popular, and this entire Slashdot thread seems like the embodiment of that.

    When I went to see the movie, my entire experience was completely ruined by hecklers. People who went on opening night with the sole purpose of making fun of the movie. Laughing at Palpatine's makeup, booing when Anakin first appears, shouting "LOG!" whenever Padme shows up.

    Everyone here is so quick to dismiss the movie on the simple things (like if Samuel delivered his lines well) or tries to focus on bad interpretations of the themes (oh yeah, G. Lucas hates women because Padme is ineffectual in the last movie) or claim that the movie was high-schoolish (erhem, this is Star Wars, what did you expect?). People who complain this movie is campy seem to forget that the Star Wars trilogy is part of what helped us define what campy meant. It wouldn't be true to its roots if it didn't sound campy!

    I wish people could just accept movies for what they are, appreciate the hard work that went into them, and enjoy them. Given the cost of movie tickets today. If you aren't ready to enjoy the movie, why fork over your $10 for it in the first place?

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    1. Re:Tired of anti-movie pop bashing by Malcreant · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't dislike movies because they are popular or because I belong to some special "subculture". I dislike movies that waste my time and money with dumb dialog, wooden acting, predictable plots and irrelevant special effects. A bad movie is not just a $10 loss. It also costs time, more money, and lost expectations. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect to be entertained after setting aside a couple hours of your life, paying exorbitant ticket prices, battling traffic, paying the babysitter, etc. After a lifetime of watching movie studios cater to the lowest common denominator because the test screening subjects "just didn't get it" I have become incredibly critical of bad movies. It's not MY fault. It's the fault of the studio execs who can't see past their spreadsheets or appreciate the fact that movies are an important part of many people's lives. Believe it or not, some people even appreciate them as the art form they SHOULD be, not just a way to waste some time and money. How can I not help but feel ripped off when I am a quarter of the way into a movie and the entire plot becomes painfully obvious. Is it too much to ask for an original plot? Is it too much to ask to be able to become emotionally involved in a movie? Dumb dialog and bad acting only serve to rip a viewer out of the fantasy of a movie and back into reality. You are wrong in labeling this a subculture. You are right in recognizing that there are many dissatisfied movie fans.

  27. Re:But by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Insightful
    How about if I change a few words ...
    Die Hard was mediocre writing at its best.

    Revenge of the Sith was mediocre writing at its worst

    Die Hard was fun. RotS was another f-word entirely.
  28. Re:But by YeEntrancemperium · · Score: 4, Funny

    Did that Bit Torrent guy give you a copy too? Wow, I really have to meet this person.

  29. Just perhaps... by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 2, Funny

    Perhaps Ebert is paid to write his reviews, and you are not, because, for instance, he could get the movie's MPAA rating right.

    Just sayin'.

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  30. Oh, come on. by porkchop_d_clown · · Score: 3, Insightful

    OR, for the faint of heart, convince him that it would be really cool if he made the prequels using ONLY 1978 technology.

    Come on. Lucas invented most of the technologies used to make the original Star Wars. He founded companies to provide the sound and special effects that he wanted - and now you complain that he's too focused on the special effects?

    Please. Star Wars was always about special effects and nothing else. I remember an entire issue of Time magazine discussing how Lucas had revolutionized the industry with his use of computer controlled models to automate the stop-motion techniques already in use. I remember articles discussing the chess game between Chewbacca and R2D2 and how Lucas created the effect and whether such a thing could actually exist.

    Lucas took the state of the art, pushed it to it's utter limits and beyond. Stop judging them as an adult and watch them in the manner they were meant to be watched - with the eyes and heart of child.

    1. Re:Oh, come on. by learn+fast · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Please. Star Wars was always about special effects and nothing else.

      The first Star Wars was nominated for Best Picture in the Oscars of that year. It did not do so because of only technical acheivement. It was because it had compelling story and characters.

      Look at Chewbacca. He can only speak in unintelligible grunts, yet he is a complex character with conflicting traits whom we end up caring about by the end of of the movie. Look at Jar-Jar Binks. His only trait is that he's annoying, and by the end of the story the audience wants him dead.

      There are scenes in Star Wars that are so memorable that they've become shared cultural cliches. The garbage-smasher scene. Luke's swing across the abyss. They Cantina scene, or Leia as Jabba the Hutt's slave. These scenes have been parodied countless, countless times in other contexts. It's hard to imagine any such equivalent in the Phantom Menace.

      Look at the Imperial Walkers. We first see them as tiny, blurry ants through the underpowered lens of a rebel infantrymen's binoculars. We see them growing larger until they're huge and seemingly unstoppable, all the while moving slowly and formidably. This is dramatic structure. You find yourself caring about whether or not the rebels win, you feel their frustration along with them, and the slow unveiling of the walkers makes it more believable -- not the beautiful CGI. They're actually ugly, industrial-looking, rigid and inflexible.

      Try to think of anything like this in the prequels.

      The millenium falcoln. The Death Star. The Imperial Walkers. They are cool not because of the fantastic rendering. They are cool because they are scary, or dramatic, and their properties are interesting and novel even if only in a purely theoretical way, not simply because of how realistic they look.

      Star Wars was always about the human imagination. The special effects were always only a medium for that imagination. You cannot capture the human imagination with wooden characters doing uninteresting things. Chewbacca is a 8 foot tall hairy monster that can't speak English but we end up caring about him because of his human-like complexities. Without stuff like that, all that animation is like a math textbook with a pretty dust jacket.

  31. While you're at it... by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hell, why can't Jedi fly? You say they can't manipulate flesh like they can manipulate plastic and metal? Well, why can't they make their goddamn shoes fly?

    But yeah, the Yoda thing bugged me.

    Yoda: Into exile, I must go.
    Senator Organa: Dude, he's right back there. You were way ahead.
    Yoda: No.
    Senator Organa: You could totally kick his ass.
    Yoda: To the starting line, we must get.
    Senator Organa: Then why'd you fight him, if you were just going to run like a little green bitch?
    Yoda: A flying muppet, the fans demand.

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  32. Re:SPOILER by BlueCodeWarrior · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I figured he was calling up the lightning for so long that the dark side was starting to take its toll on his body a little faster than it usually does.

  33. I have the feeling that Slashdot is full of people by porkchop_d_clown · · Score: 2, Insightful

    who need to revisit their childhood homes - just so they can feel the shock and realization of how small they look now compared to how big they seemed then.

    That might give them the perspective they need to enjoy Ep3 for what it is instead of complaining that it doesn't measure up to something that actually never was.

  34. 1,2,3 and "the acting" by TheLittleJetson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I hear complaints about the acting so much, but I got news for you all: episodes 4,5,6 weren't exactly monuments in film-acting history either. It's star wars. It's cheesy. It's fun. Get used to it.

  35. My two cents by TwistedSpring · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This won't be modded up enough to be visible to anyone, but I'd like to chip in and say that Ebert is pretty much accurate. The acting is dreadfully wooden in the non-action scenes, and this is probably due to the fact that the script isn't really very good.

    I was sat with a group of five or six friends watching it, some of whom weren't really massive fans of the Star Wars series and hadn't seen Phantom Menace or Attack of the Clones, and I was actually embarassed by the quality of this movie.

    It's let down by the script to some degree, but I think what really killed it was the direction. Actors never seem to know what they're doing, where they are, or what they're supposed to be feeling and this makes their delivery poor and wooden. When Anakin (Hayden Christensen) turns to the dark side, he's clearly been directed to be "mad, insane, confused, evil". And here he excels; it's easy to be mad and evil. However, in the more delicate scenes he's hopeless and swimming around without direction.

    Excellent examples of awesome direction are the "SHE'S LOST THE WILL TO LIVE!" line announced by a med-bot. What sort of diagnosis is that? Rather convenient. It's as if whoever voiced that line had no idea that Anakin/Vader had actually killed her with the dark force. Another is the "Noooooooo!" that Vader screams when discovering this fact. No self respecting director would use such a dreadful cliché. He might as well have added "WHY, GOD? WHY!!!?" to the end of it. It's almost as bad a cliché as the "Oh no we are approaching a perilous waterfall of lava" bit. There's also the whole wordless ending segment where Luke's foster parents just get handed a child without question and look a bit bemused, then just gaze at the sun. What?

    A few things are left unexplained too. The Death Star. Why? I was desperate to find out more about the Death Star but it's just presented as a matter of course. Slapped into the film like an afterthought. All in all, I left the theatre without the sensation of awe that I'd hoped for.

    In summary: cut out a few of those massive "let's have a fight on a volcano planet" bits and wrap up the end of the film a little better.

  36. Re:But by ePhil_One · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Die Hard as well as Revenge of the Sith was written mediocre at best.

    Given the quality of writing in your post, you're clearly an expert in the English language. But I digress

    Die hard was well written. It understood its medium and its audience, there were no painful moments of dialog where our hero broke into long winded speeches about man's inhumanity to man, no oddly placed iambic pentameter. It had a simple but classic plot, a NY cop trying to come to grips with his wife's success, goes through an ordeal where he learns how much he really loves his wife.

    I've actually seen quite a bit of foreign cinema, and seen very little to make me non US movies are better written than our in general. Are you judging it based on the .05% of foreign films that make it to the US general release? The cream of teh cream of the crop? Or perhaps you are judging based on the fact that they follow different cultural norms? I was a bit shocked to watch a Japanese film whose moral lesson was "Its the kids fault, had he listened to his adoptive family and done what the state wanted hime to do he and his sister would be alive and happy to day. Conform or be miserable!" But I've also seen horrible French, Italian, Soviet, Polish, and Korean cinema.

    Or perhaps you're refering to outside Hollywood projects such as "In the Bedroom", a dull, painfully slow moving work that rivals the infamous "Manos: Hands of Fate" for five minute riding in cars peering out the windows segements. Its bad when the high point of a movie is watch the toll bridge guy run around in circles again to move the bridge, punctuated by self-indulgent lines like "It comes in waves, and then nothing... like a rest in music - no sound, but so loud."

    Is "Die Hard" superlative writing, like Shakespere's Saint Crispin's Day speech in Henry V? Heck no. It neither tries to be nor should it be.

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  37. People take Star Wars sequels too seriously by beforewisdom · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The original Star Wars movie was a fairly ordinary space opera that any mediocre writer could have written. The acting, dialog, and story have always been appropriately criticized.

    However, the original Star Wars had ground breaking special effects. The special effects were not only a cut above the state of art at the time, they were a flight of stairs above the state of the art at the time.

    It took tremendous talent to pull that off and George Lucas had it. The movie blew people from all walks of life away. It made Lucas rich enough to complain about Bill Gates playing his stereo too loud and elements of Star Wars have become an enduring part of the culture.

    No critic can take any of that away.

    However all of that was nearly 30 years ago.

    Once people become accustomed to a certain quality of special effects it is no longer enough to entertain them, to blow them away.

    People remember being blown away by the original Star Wars, that is why they keep going to see the sequels. They are hoping for that same experience.

    Most of the time mere mortals, if they get to make a huge splash, only get to do so once.

    It is unlikely that George Lucas will make a movie again that will break ground in cinematic special effects with the same magnitude that the original Star Wars did.

    It is also unlikely that at this stage in his life he will sprout new talent for writing an directing _stories_. It can happen, some writers, actors, directors etc have started late in life, but it is rare.

    A slashdot article earlier this week suggested that someone other than Lucas might make another Star Wars movie.

    That could be the most awesome thing that would happen. The special effects are here. If someone could attach that to the devastating writing, acting and directing talent that is out there we would have a film that could blow people totally away like the original Star Wars did all those years ago in the 1970s.