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Knoppix 3.9 Released
GuyRiley writes "The Debian-based live-cd Linux distribution Knoppix
has been updated to version 3.9.
Among the most notable changes are the update to kernel 2.6.11 and the inclusion
of OpenOffice 2.0 BETA and KDE 3.4. This is likely the last single-CD version
of Knoppix before the split
into 'Light' and 'Maxi' versions. Torrent links here."
Hope they've made it easier to install onto hd.
So far, 2005 really seems to be a major year for Debian. I've been using Debian for the last four or five years and it's great to see all of these successful debian-based distros - not to mention, a new stable version of Debian (finally!).
I've known people in the last year who have talked about switching to another distro, because they had the FreeBSD fright (it's dying!) and I'm hoping this turns their attitudes around.
Does it run linux?
I can see the confusion in the way the article blurb is written, but no - we're not talking about a multi-CD Knoppix. We're talking about a split, leaving us with two CDs to choose from. One, the reduced "light" version. The other, the full shebang, on one DVD.
The "story" was badly worded but you also clearly couldnt be bothered following the links in your haste for first post or it would be obvious to you that the maxi version is for DVDs.
Bush and Blair ate my sig!
That's what it was like in the old days when HDs weren't standard - except you would be swapping floppies.
I'm smarter than the average bear.
... but let's just say I'd rather have a nice thin and light Mini distro than a bloody huge Maxi.
I suppose it is a good thing they're making that light version then huh? I'm kind of confused as to the point of your comment, other than to get a FP, since it says in the summary the light version is being made, and the presence of a larger version doesn't hinder the light one at all.
Oh, and that "Bloody Maxi" pun was terrible.
~Rebecca
Nobody said anything of swapping CDs. The Mini version will be the usual LiveCD, while the Maxi version will be a LiveDVD, so, where the heck is the CD changing? Works like normal. And today, most of us should have a DVD drive anyway, dont we?
Why can't they be like Debian? Those CDs, you can pass on to your children and they're still current.
Since aternatives keep up innovation, there is also a KDE 3.4 and such shiny new LiveCD http://www.t2-project.org/live/ from the T2 Project (http://www.t2-project.org/).
It even comes with D-BUS / HAL integration for auto mounting and equally perfect hardware detection.
As usual with the System Development Environment (SDE) T2, you can automatically rebuild it, optimized for your CPU - or even other architectures.
Glad to know the new version is out I will now avoid this thread before all the tampon jokes
"I'd rather have a nice thin and light Mini distro rather than a bloody huge Maxi"
DAMN
This is not a sig
This is either a joke about debian's release cycle or your reproductory cycle ... I'm trying to figure out which.
Also I think you could say the same about Gentoo - but that's a totally different joke I suppose. ("at least your children will get a current install")Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur
Right now, my NTFS filesystem is in a state such that XP can't boot from it (chkdsk/autochk says "Unrecoverable errors and it appears to have hit the HKLM registry hive). Running knoppix from a CD-R just fine. Browsing the web is much faster even! Detecting all my hardware is a lot faster than XP's install/recovery CD manages.
Loading programs from CD takes a while, but other than that, it's great.
Oh, and the maxi-version will of course not be multi-CD, but single-DVD...
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Don't you guys know Bittorrent is evil and a tool that pirates use for theft?
For both MEPIS and Ubuntu it's a single CD. And "the evil and incompetent Microsoft" does not have an Office Suite, IRC clients, and a host of other software on it.
What was your point again?
If the distros removed the office and a lot of other non-OS files from their images they'd be able to get it back down to one CD I'm sure... but then people would be annoyed that they have to download applications separately.
I guess OS+Apps has always been the way. I wonder if a distro will experiment by stripping it down to the OS and then distributing the apps as a separate set of images? To me it'd be all the same... just a different order of installation.
You'd be surprised to learn how many Slashdot readers "can't be bothered to follow the links." Now, while reading the linked story would have avoided the grandparent poster's kneejerk reaction, it's still not an excuse for confusing story blurbs.
Man is a slave because freedom is difficult, whereas slavery is easy.
Does anyone know if they'll ever have LVM support in there?
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not a troll.
Windows comes on one disc true!
But then, to do anything useful you're going to need MS Office (3 disks), a development environment/compiler/toolchain (3 disks). . . So you're already at 8 disks and you're not even close to all the applications you get on most linux distros.
Plus you've just spent >$200 on top of the cost of windows.
Main reason I like Knoppix is it has all you need in one CD. Once it goes over 1 CD, I guess, Ill move to some other small distro which serves my purpose of emergency repair (like puppy http://goosee.com/puppy which is what I use now-a-days)
ARGH!
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
I have actually been a lazy bum and not burned a Knoppix disc yet so I am not sure how exactly it works. When you load up Knoppix do you have the capability of pulling files you stored via NTFS? I can't see it being really useful if it didn't. I think I can use Knoppix as a possible solution for some tools that won't run on Windows until I take the time to partition my drive and install VMWare (cuz I hate having to reboot between OS's!).
News Reporters Make Tasty Polar Bear Treats!
Good news - now I'm waiting for Knoppix STD to release a new version with support for the Intel 2100 wireless stuff.
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I have been using Knoppix for several years now.
I have nothing but good things to say about it. It was innovative from the start and remains innovative.
It has a friendly and helpful user community.
It delivers the goodies of Debian with ease of installation, ease of use, and no hassles. It is one hard push away from being "grandma suitable".
If that wasn't enough, it is available free of charge.
I have tried other live distros and imitators, none does it all as well and as consistently as knoppix.
The only thing I hope for with the DVD version is that user gets some choice of what to install. A DVD's worth of software is a lot to dump on a hard drive without giving the user a choice.
Again, my hats off to the knoppix people.
If you don't like the pun, just throw it on the floor and tampon it.
Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
I can install Gentoo, Debian, Ubuntu, or Red Hat (off the top of my head, probably Mandrake too) off of a single CD, given an internet connection...and even that's not completely necessary.
That said, how many CDs does M$ need to install an office suite, development IDE with associated tools, and operating system? Last I checked, it was at least three, ignoring the fact that Visual Studio has more CDs than Debian does (unless you're using some REALLY obscure packages with no net connection).
It's only an insult if it's not true.
Mind, we should not ignore the possibility that the GP was in fact making an impassioned plea for a single cd linux distro, since he hates and despises microsoft but feels bound to them because he suffers from some strange condition of bloat-o-phobia.
In which case, we could also mention the likes of Damn Small Linux (50MB), Puppy Linux (50MB) and Feather Linux - which is a Knoppix with the bloat removed and which clocks in at 123MB. Also to be considered are Tomsrtbt which boots off a floppy for a command line distro, and muLinux which boots off a floppy into X. Hell's teeth, these days MS don't even like you using boot discs!
And of course there's Knoppix, which if it doesn't fit on a floppy, still fits into a single CD.
Yeah, what was the GPs point, anyway? :)
Don't let THEM immanentize the Eschaton!
What are you talking about?
Get your own free personal location tracker
doesn't Visual Studio come on a dvd now?
"This is likely the last single-CD version of Knoppix before the split into 'Light' and 'Maxi' versions."
Because programmers experience heavy code flow days and light code flow days...there's now going to be a choice.
I've always been a pretty big fan of Knoppix, I like to keep the latest version on hand for helping people back up files and such when they have to re-install Windows. I also generally boot up Knoppix to check for rootkits etc everytime a new version is released.
Before I got my laptop I used to use it quite a bit at school, where all of the lab computers run Windows XP. Never really been able to find a development environment in Windows that I like as well as vim under Linux (even as nice as XCode is on OS X, I still find myself going back to vim most of the time, especially when I'm doing a lot of editing, since I find it to be a big pain to take my hands off the keyboard to move the mouse to highlight code, etc. Too bad none of the IDEs support vi-like editing of code).
I always thought it would be an interesting idea to build a live cd specifically aimed at non-technical windows users to recover from crashes. Something that would boot up and give them a series of simple steps they could follow to recover/backup a borked windows install, and maybe show a nice slideshow like a lot of the Linux installers have now telling them the benefits of Linux.
Famous Last Words: "hmm...wikipedia says it's edible"
Well hello, Markov chain.
a usb drive to hold that?
Hmmm, and dual layer ???
Actually a cd/dvd disk and usb drive is a good combination. The usb drive for your personal stuff,
Anyone know if the reburn process has been made easier?
say you want to install something that is not in the disk but then reburn the disk with it, perhaps removing something to make room..
but has the process been made easy enough for us idiots?
Not to mention a hard disk to install all that crap!
Imagine a beowulf cluster of these!
Assume I was drunk when I posted this.
When I downloaded Mandrake last (the latest version I got on a magazine-cover DVD), they had a Mini CD version - one disc containing just the OS and a few apps - and a three CD version with all the applications. Now it'll still be easier just to distribute on DVD.
catch (HumourFailureException e) { e.user.send("You, sir, are a humourless idiot."); }
Don't forget you can still download knoppix directly from any of the mirrors
May this post be indexed by spiders, and archived for all to see as my Internet epitaph.
I've only just finished downloading Knoppix 3.8...
(Not karma whoring - that's the honest truth. Might just be time for me to find another ISP... Mine's been promising upgraded accounts for almost a year now and I'm all but out of patience.)
Hal Spacejock: Science Fiction with Nuts
Has anyone noticed that their comments section has already been hijacked?
Looks like its time for sites to do some XSS auditing before they put up their sites, and make sure people can't just post arbitrary garbage by stuffing the query strings.
For those of you running active data on port 80 (or 443, or https/https on any public port), please PLEASE take the time to understand XSS and avoid coding sites that allow it to happen. Yes, even major sites like Perl.org and Yahoo.com have some pages that are NOT xss-safe.. but they're working on it. Are you?
Put the steps of reburn in a script, and it will be trivial - it's quite a few steps, but all very easy, been there, done that. It takes quite a bit of time though (recompressing 2GB of data...), so you may pick the simplified version - edit just the startup script to create links to directories on your flash drive and simply add (mount) them e.g. as /usr/local with your custom stuff, without touching the compressed image.
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Totally off-topic, but I just got my first DVD burner, and I'm loving it. You should check out how cheap they've gotten -- I was surprised.
t egory=10
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http://www.newegg.com/ProductSort/Category.asp?Ca
The burn-any-format drives are less than $50, and media is $35/100. That's definitely getting down in the why-the-hell-not range, for me
Knoppix it's a great way for troubleshooting Windows pcs that won't boot. Any PC tech guy should have the latest release handy so it can save the day for those clients who keeps getting virus and then screwing Windows.
But there is another release that you may find interesting: Whoppix
Whoppix is a stand alone penetration testing live cd based on Knoppix. With the latest tools and exploits, it is a must for every penetration tester and security auditor. Whoppix includes Several exploit archives, such as Securityfocus, Packetstorm, SecurityForest and Milw0rm, as well as a wide variety of updated security tools. The new custom kernel also allows for better WIFI support, for tools such as Aireplay.
The 2.7.1 minor release fixes several issues, such as support for Centrino wifi 2100 and 2200 drivers, missing Autoscan, and several new tools
Download it from http://www.whoppix.net/
Use Kanotix as it is designed for installing to HD. Knopix is not designed to install to HD as it pulls from Debian stable, testing, unstable and updating a a HD-installed Knoppix is a pain.
There are issues with the installer script, see this post on the Knoppix.net forums. There is also a bug in Knoppix 3.9 that prevents that breaks the Debian package system. See Knoppix.net wiki about bugs.
Um, I grew up in a small town that tourists have overrun and it's changed quite a bit. It's still recognizable, but in a century I am sure it's going to look just like another New York suburb.
I've been to cities that are history - well what I mean is that they're remarkably preserved. And this isn't an America vs. Europe thing - Salem (Mass.) has a downtown with many buildings over 200 years old, some over three centuries old. Whereas, many cities in Europe were bombed flat during ww2 and rebuilt by people who wanted to obliterate the past, such as the Soviets (I haven't been there, but my understanding is that Dresden is like this).
Now, this is really tangential to the who knoppix release, and a tangent off of the long-term nature of debian. In my opinion, Debian doesn't hold old releases long enough. I think that there ought to be an ULTRA STABLE Debian that would be maintained for ten years or longer.
Is the Real name of the Anonymous Coward 'Markov Chain'? It doesn't seem very likely to me.
reading the responses to my original post, only one seems to be in regards to my post, whereas the other two seem to be a response to some other articles..
./ effect.
maybe its the
And for those who don't even want to download the torrent file to join the swarm....
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Here is the Azureus Magnet URI...
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:F57RHAID47YKCYTWAHON3ATMRQY
(as done in Knoppix 3.7, don't know about 3.9)
Boot from the Knoppix CD
Open Konsole
type su
type knoppix-installer
answer the prompts
reboot
Done.
It has bugged me that Knoppix has yet to include GNOME. Maybe the new DVD release will have it, if its absense was due to space constraints. It's as easy install GNOME in Debian as KDE is.
Linux has been able to read NTFS partitions for a long time, there has been experimental NTFS writing, which has been largely considered harmfull and AFAIK a rewrite is on its way. In the mean time something very cool is included in Knoppix: Captive NTFS. This is a technique where the original ntfs.sys driver from windows is borrowed, either from your windows partition or by downloading a service pack from windowsupdate.microsoft.com and pulling the drivers from there. I have used it and it has worked fine, EXCEPT on realy large files. Like avi files of 600Mb+. The thing is, even those failed operations (the computer slowed to a crawl) didn't damage my NTFS filesystems.
I haven't DL:ed the last versions of Knoppix but as late as in 3.7 Captive NTFS was included. It's higly improbable that is has been excluded. Anyway, even if it has been removed you can still read your NTFS partition.
Cheers...
$HOME is where the
-- silver_p
Does anyone know if it is possible to boot knoppix via pxelinux, perhaps nfs-mounting the iso image which is then loop-back mounted instead of having the CD in the drive? That would be incredibly useful.
Michael
There are win32 versions of CDRTools.
Look for ftp.berlios.de, cdrtools, and ProDVD and you should find it.
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The autodetection in knoppix is (IIRC of course) just lifted straight from fedora, so if knoppix detects the hardware the fedora installer would too.
I am trolling
Can't they do a DVD version for the people that have DVDs? They are like $35 now.
I didn't use the preview button, so get over it!!!!
Mike
So is a machete.
(Score: -1, Stupid)
check out
http://www.gnoppix.org/
for a gnome based live cd,
it's not from quite the same base as knoppix (they now seem to be working with Ubantu), but still pretty damn good
I wonder: is this the latest thing in trolling, or is slashdot's message database FUBARed at the moment?
Don't let THEM immanentize the Eschaton!
Can anyone get sound out of a SB Audigy on Knoppix? How? knoppix alsa didn't work. What else?
KPDF 3.4 is terrific; for the first time, there's a very good "free" PDF viewer. It handles searches, bookmarks, extracting text... overall, it's quite nice, and I haven't needed Acrobat 7.0 since KDPF 3.4 came out. Plus, KPDF runs on my AMD64 system, while Adobe's reader does not.
All about me
Need to get some good CD-Rs because the last version I have is 3.6 (and the hd install is so nice)
>It's as easy install GNOME in Debian as KDE is.
I had real problems trying to install both, using dselect. The package system treated them as mutually exclusive, perpetuating the myth that you must choose between KDE and Gnome.
I don't know if it's been fixed, or if it was just an "debian-unstable" thing.
-fb Everything not expressly forbidden is now mandatory.
Knoppix 3.9 will not boot from a USB CD/DVD ROM. The Knoppix kernel has the ub module compiled in, which breaks usb-storage and prevents the kernel from seeing the CD-ROM drive.
Pope Felix the Scurrilous.
Computer Geek by day, religious Icon by night.
Curious, since I'm writing up something on how I migrated my Mac iTunes repository to Windows, and while I did it by mounting the Mac drive under Gentoo, I'd be interested in describing a method that didn't require a multi-boot or extra drive partition.
Umm... today?
http://www.westerndigital.com/en/products/Products .asp?DriveID=94
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Just booted it on a laptop I have here. Anyone know why in the blue hell there's an 'xpdf' under the 'Lost and Found' menu?
It definitely has some beta feel to it. Things listed twice in the menus and so forth.
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
Yes, i know. And the /. Effect is one of the reasons why the story submissions must not be badly worded (repeating the same sentence twice in unacceptable) or confusing (just like this one was).
Man is a slave because freedom is difficult, whereas slavery is easy.
Did someone say another version of Knoppix came out? Oh, they did. Hmmm...
Difficulty installing? No, not hardly. Difficulty using and making work every day? Yeah, a little. With Knoppix Hacks, a whole lot less.
Debian release slowness? Sure. Well known. My grandchildren will probably be multibooting the stable version two removed from the most recent along with Red Hat and whatever iteration of Windows.
Must have? Only for the Linux evangelists looking to put eye candy out before the Windows world, but they'll still likely not have the computer skills to make it work for them as no, it is not easier than Windows and most of the people the eye candy goes before are barely able to install AOL and think that the Internet can be downloaded.
The people most apt to run with this for any length of time without prior weenieness are those who vividly remember their DOS skills and doing stupid Doom tricks. Unfortunately, those aren't current skills.
Will I grab it and install it? Probably for kicks. Right now, I'm studying for RHCT/RHCE and can't fork my learning energies. Later, I'll probably give it more of a test.
All in all, this goes in my "Definite Maybe for Interest" category.
If my grammar and spelling are off, I am [distracted/tired/careless] (take your pick)