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How To Balance Life And Technology For Kids?
brs165 writes "Being a newly minted geek father as of 4 months ago, I've thought about problems I've never had reason to consider before. One issue which I'd like to hear from the ./ crowd is introducing technology to their children. What got me thinking about this was a blog post about 'Nature-Deficit Disorder', and I think it brings up some good points. I grew up playing in the local woods and creek with minimal tech until our first computer when I was 13. I hear stories from coworkers how some of their kids/grandkids hating going outside because it is boring and they'd rather stay indoors. Should I avoid introducing them to technology until absolutely neccessary, or is it a matter of achieving a balance?"
Just create a simulation of all that icky nature stuff on a computer and plug them in matrix style for 18 years. Then reveal to them their whole life has been a sham up until that point.. :)
I'm a geek dad of 4 kids (9, 6, 4, and 1 yrs). Obviously, a balance is necessary.
But the real thing is: Your kid(s) will be into whatever you're into. If all you do is stay inside with the XBox and plasma TV, don't be surprised if that's all they ever want to do. For Father's Day (in the US) today, I took the boys on a bike ride, then we did waste a beautiful summer afternoon in the movie theater watching Ep 3.
Always look for ways to re-live your youth with them: Legos, Star Wars, bike riding, snow forts, adventures in the woods, baseball, and mindless shows on Cartoon Network all play a part. The computer is just a new element to share together.
--H
I grew up playing in the local woods and creek with minimal tech until our first computer when I was 13. I hear stories from coworkers how some of their kids/grandkids hating going outside because it is boring and they'd rather stay indoors.
Kids raised indoors on computers will adapt better than their parents to a career in cubicle indenture.
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You should definitely hold off on introducing all the crazy technology to your kids until they've done some growing up. I loved the days when all I cared about was running around outside in the woods. Anyway, kids that young only use computers to play games, I find. Get them a Nintendo (the original) and introduce them to computers when they want to know more about technology, and not games. First post?
Use technology as a tool and a toy, not as a substitute for parental guidance like so many do.
In my opinion, children should be introduced to as much as the world has to offer. The problems occur when parents sit a child in front of a television or a computer and say "here, entertain yourself."
These are the kids that grow up with technology as a substitute for guidance. They will obviously become attached.
Moderation and interaction are the key.
There's a reason why they'd rather play with the box than the toy. Respect and support that creativity.
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I have 5 kids 15..8 and they all have different interests and we live on 9 acres and I run 80+hr week software business www.findmap.com.au
We have Windows,OSX and Linux and they all have easy access to them when and if they want. I love it when the 8 year old can jump on the Mac and do what they want, and same for the eldest too.
Only the Playstation gets *too* much attention from the teenage boys so I kick them out into the sunshine if I think they're been on too long.
It all works out and even for the youngest doing pages, drawing, internet are as natural now as riding their bikes and just plain messing around outside.
But most of all let them be who they are, whether that be books, socialising or outdoors and keep an eye out to make sure they at least get all the options you can offer them and see which way they lean.
Alex.
An example would be like Astrology
You see son, since your birthday is in early March, you're a Pisces. Today is a 1 star day for you, meaning you should stay inside and play xBox, rather than flirt with the girl next door...
you've had sex!!!
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way to go
Give them the adventure of a lifetime! Take your kids for an extended trip..lasting 2-3 days out in the wilderness. At first - they'll probably think you're mad and go crazy over it and want to go home. When the first period of "I-hate-u-dad" are gone, theyll realize that they have no choice but to make the best of it, and then together you'll solve survival puzzle's and discover all the exciting things in nature.. ...there's nothing like the REAL aliens out there - natures own wonders...bugs...in all their colors etc. Your kids are sure to be fascinated.
Later - when they get back to their "tech" world...don't hinder them, let them play at will, don't be surprised if they try to look up the bugs at the internet...and want to go "exploring" at some later time in life - because this is the time when you'll bring memories that will live inside them forever!
What this world is coming to - is for you and me to decide.
Wait, what's this "real life" you speak of?
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Nah he's right we've all been replaced by very small shell scripts!
Try to understand that you're not going to have nearly the amount of input you seem to think you will. Your kids are going to be introduced to a whole host of things without your consent/knowledge.
Once you wrap your mind around that, you can start to prepare yourself to teach them to deal with those things on a rational level.
You're thinking ahead, at least, and that's the first step to success. Good luck, you'll need it.
Pete (father of 8)
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I intended to keep my son away from TVs and PCs, but with a house full of PCs and laptops, it's impossible. At the age of 3 he claimed the ibook as his own. It's probably not too bad; there's some good websites for kids, like pbskids. Plus it's interactive, unlike TV. What's not so good is the advertising--he's always asking us to buy him the candy & snacks he sees. He might as well be watching TV. That's our current battle.
Let them see the outdoors, and if technology is there, it is a tool and not the toy.
DO: get them outside, go canoeing, biking, hiking, walking, skiing, camping, exploring, build and launch model rockets (please, lauch outside), build a treehouse... If you must involve technology, bring a GPS and a digital camera (but don't forget a map and compass - be sure they know how to use those when the GPS batteries die). While you are out there, talk to them abou the plants species, the mountains, how the compass works, how the water flows around the canoe and what make the bike stable while it is moving.
What did you enjoy doing outside as a kid? Why not try that? If they enjoy it too, that's great - you are doing somehting you enjoy outside, and your kids are there and having fun too!!
Is it possible for you to even raise your kids without a TV? I can certainly live without a TV (over a year now, almost 3 years depending on how you count it).
DO NOT: buy a Nintendo/PS3/XBox and let the toy babysit the kids for you. People at Slashdot will expel the virtues of how they learned problem solving and "other skills" while playing video games. Well, I learned a few German words playing a foreign game, and picked up some geography from Civ3, but try and keep the video games to a minimum.
Being a parent is an active responsibility (but it can be fun). Just be sure you go exploring. If you are having fun, they probably will be too. If the kids look forward to going biking with dad more than sitting in front of the boob-tube playing Mari Kart 12, you are doing your job well! If they hear "Dad's home, and were building rockets tonight!" and drop the video game in the middle of a game to join you, you are doing great!
The significant problems we face cannot be solved by the same level of thinking that created them. -Einstein
Major e longinquo reverentia, as they say - everything looks good (or, for that matter, better) from far away, and forbidden fruits appear tastier.
It's probably a better idea to introduce your kids to computers and all that early on. Compare it to the TV - your kids are most likely going to be allowed to watch TV before they're 14 (or whatever), but that doesn't mean you'll allow them to do it for eight hours each day without checking *what* they watch.
Do give them limits; enforce them, but don't be arbitrary. Above all, make them transparent and understandable - if you tell your kids that they can use the computer, but for an hour only, that's much better than only coming in after an hour and telling them that they have to stop *now*.
Don't give them a bad example; if you don't do anything except sit at the computer (or, more generally, stay indoors) all day, then your kids *will* question why it's bad for them if it obviously isn't bad for you, too.
That's about what I can think of right now. As a disclaimer, though, I don't have kids myself.
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Are you saying you didn't like Bill Nye and Wishbone?!!
I literally grew up on those shows. I basically watched only PBS. Now I just watch Discovery Channel.
I spend most of my time in my room on the computer when not at school. However I do get outside. I bike to school. I volunteer at the local theatre, so I am not inside all the time. I have been under limits, but they just don't work. I mean, I had all ready been on the computer for hours before so imposing limits would be stupid. Like the parent said, teach your kids that they only have so much time. Imbed it into their minds so they don't become used to spending longs hours on the computer.
Which kid learns more about nature? The one who goes down to the stream, falls in and gets wet and finds a few frogs hiding under some branches, or, the kid that plays magic schoolbus field trip game?
Apart from exposure to nature, there are many other things that create a real framework for kids. Yesterday we (myself, wife + kids) planted 60 trees in a grid. We used pythagoras to set things up square. We did multiplication/division etc to calculate how many rows and trees per row etc. We talked about nutrients etc as we added compost that the kids had helped to make some months ago. We talked about harvesting, pruning etc. On top of this, the kids got some exercise!
Engineering is the art of compromise.
I don't understand this notion of, "We need to have our kids using computers from birth to better prepare them for the future." I didn't use a computer until middle school, then just for word processing. That certainly didn't hinder me from my current position as a PhD. student in engineering.
Think about it, many of us didn't have all of these technological toys when we were little, and we seemed to adapt just fine. Computer usage isn't some sort of esoteric skill that requires years of training to master. It's not like you're trying to levitate cars with your mind.
Perhaps if children were exposed to life outside of the digital babysitter they would develop their imaginations more, and become more creative, healthier (mentally and physically) people. Maybe if more kids ran around outside more often, child obesity wouldn't be so prevelent in our society.
Overall, as with most things a balance is what is necessary. Sure I had my Atari when I was a kid, but I was only allowed to play with it for a certain amount of time. Just as TV was limited. The same can be done with a computer, especially if your child doesn't have all of these technological wonders in their bedroom. Show your child all that the world has to offer and what the imagination can do with it.
And a final thought on, "what you want your kid to be when he/she grows up." - that decision should ultimately be left up to your child once they're old enough to make it, not one that should be forced on them from birth. I've seen many a miserable engineer and computer scientist for just that reason.
Yeah, you have to keep the skill cap in mind. Multi-classing sucks because then your kid only advances levels half as fast.
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Am I the only one that misread the title as "how to Load balance life, technology, and kids"?
Encourage multiple stmuli for their little developing brains. Read to them when they are young. Take them on nature walks. Introduce them to musical instruments (violin) perhaps in a social setting (childrens choirs), take them to art museums, boat rides, swiming pools, walks in the neighborhood, the zoo, etc. If you speak another language, start teaching them while they are young. Enroll them in art, theater, dance, sports, and any other class they don't know anything about.
Pretty soon they will tell you what they are interested in, yet keep pushing them in many directions they will continue to discover things they like and develop many talents.
Point is, you only get one shot, so introduce your kids to everything you can. They will thank you for it later.
Just make sure you exercise moderation in moderation. It's important to go too far occasionally.
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I love dogs. On the subject of wilderness, however, Dogs are extremely destructive. Dogs and wilderness do not mix. When you take them into the wilderness they chase all of the wild life away. They pollute streams and intensify the destruction of the wilderness.
Pets are more of a consumer product than they are an introduction to nature.
I've spent most of my life without a dog. Coco showed up on the porch a year and a half ago. I take her on regular walks in the mountains. It is freightening the amount of destruction I see being done by dogs.
In a discussion on the value of pets. Yes, kids and dogs are a great combination. However, pets are about the domination of animals. Taking Coco on trips into the mountains, I am now starting to see the extent to which dogs dominate recreation and the affect that they have on the diminishing nature around us.
In other words, you should only have a dog if you really, really want to have a dog. You should only have a dog if you are wanting a pet to be a primary focus of your recreation time.
You should budget two grand a year for dog care and food, and plan to spend a great deal of time with it.
Coco showed up on my porch because a family with two sons bought a puppy as a consumer product, and found out that dogs are a big hassle.
You bring up a few good points. Infact 9 months prior to delivery I am going to order a weight set from 1 gram to 500 kg, and my child WILL be trained to lift a car with his/her mind.
I don't remember many of the video games I have played, or any of the TV I have watched, but I distictly remember many of the hiking trails and camping and canoeing and biking trips and model rocket lauching that my parents have taken me and my siblings on. In fact, I can remember very specific details and places (and could probably draw a map of the trails we hiked) even though some of those events were 15 years ago. And this from a guy who has already forgotten what he had for breakfast yesterday, and where is that pen I lost again? I think my keys are in here somewhere, and I forgot two passwords last week..
The significant problems we face cannot be solved by the same level of thinking that created them. -Einstein
Playing down at the woods/creek isn't any more dangerous now than it was when you were a kid. Let your kids play outside.
My wife won't allow our daughter to play outside unless she can physically see her the whole time because she is sooo worried about "pedophiles". Totally insane.
Also, I've noticed that my kid has her own personality and interests. You will need to become interested in things that interest your child as well as sharing your interests with him or her.
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Let's hope that a non progressive future includes several varieties of "Acme Health Pellets" and bottles of "AcmeFina." I've lived on dandelions and cattails for a few days. It sucks. Young dandelion greens aren't too bad as long as you have a more neurtral green to cut the flavor. Forget it if they're old. I've also had cattail rootstalks. They taste like funky cucumbers except with more slime. Other parts are edible if you're going to be in one place for a while and are willing to work for it. I wasn't hungry enough to go after the rodents so I don't know about that. Trust me, you'll be willing to endure a ramen fueled cube slavery after a few days of being back to nature. I'd say that the hunter-gatherer thing is much more difficult than being a cube drone. Still, making raw nature your bitch is satisfying.
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"Last but not least, do not buy them/allow them to play game consoles (which are always counter-productive, as opposed to a computer, which can be used for school/learning)"
Not really....I played games consoles all the time as a young lad. I didn't really start using a PC for anything more than games until I was...13, maybe. I'm now 20, at a university with a very good CS program, with hopes of going into the games industry. I don't really see why you shouldn't let them play consoles. They're fun, and in my case, inspired creativity.
You'll have to forgive me, but I disagree with everything you say. I can't claim that I know of a better system, but the whole "play outside and then you can play on the computer" is in my eyes just as flawed as "do the dishes and then you can watch TV". What that is teaching is that computers and TV are a _reward_ to strive for which I believe to be a great error (I'm not saying the brats shouldn't do the darn dishes though). All you should really strive to teach them is moderation in everything, and trying to provide a varied area of both entertainment and learning. And as for the whole "consoles are counter-productive". I've grown up with Nintendo since I was 6 and because of games (both PC and consoles) I've managed to a great amount of English, and most importantly: I had fun. Kids learn through games and play, and who's to say that a console is inferior of entertainment than a PC?
We're not retreating.. we're merely advancing in reverse. - Earthworm Jim
Life is all about balance. Raising kids, too. Teach them as much as you like as early as you like. Just remember to balance work and play, outside and inside, free time and rules. Kids need rules and need to test them. They also need their own space. Limited of course, but their own.
You put it right.
Balance
I'm a dinosaur geek...64 years old and been hacking electronics/computers/radios since I was 11...but I'm very lucky to have a 12 year old daughter, Rebecca.
Rebecca's mom is the technology coordinator for our local elementary school and I'm a consultant and designer of electronic 'stuff'. So, Rebecca has technology all around her. Her first eye-hand coordination was inserting/removing a floppy disk. I wrote little routines which challenged her with words, phrases and other coputer stuff.
Now...the balance. I live on a 95 acre nature paradise. We have ponds, nature trails and animals galore. Rebecca gets as much...maybe more!...fun from tracking animals in the snow or fishing in the ponds or wading in the ditchs for minnows as she does driving my robotic vehicle or messing with my radio equipment. She's equally adept at calling CQ DX on 20 meters and paddling a canoe.
Balance is a must. Games...I don't care what platform...are NOT the same as getting dirty or falling down or throwing a ball or putting bate on a hook.
Take your kids to the park, to a playground or any outdoor area. Fly a kite, build a kite, walk in the rain. Smell the flowers; dig in the dirt.
Equal time for technology and 'realworld' stuff.
Anything less than balance between nature and technology is detremental and damned unfair to the child.
To quote Robert Heinlein: "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
As much time outside as in front of the technology...computers or radios.
because of games (both PC and consoles) I've managed to a great amount of English
Sure you have, dude...sure you have.
Just junk food for thought...
Don't leave your wife and your kids when your kids are three and one year old. It messes up your wife and the kids.
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I know.
I'm talking from experience. I grew up without having a father I could talk to...
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I have an eidetic memory, and have never been accused of being dumb. In school, the only thing I was ever accused of, actually, was being incredibly arrogant, because it took embarrassingly long for me to realise that other kids didn't like me pointing out how I was smarter than them.
I'd really like to find out what study that is, because I have had technology around me all my life. Literally, all my life. I started reading when I was 2 years old. By the time I was 3, I spoke English, French, and German, and could read English and French. I was given a kit and built a transistor radio from it when I was 6. I cannot remember ever *not* having a TV, and can even remember when my parents upgraded from a Black&White TV to a colour TV. The thing is, that was when I was 2. My first computer was bought when I was 4, and I was writing programs in Basic by the time I was 6. When I got to school, I actually taught the other students how to use the computer, because the teachers were computer illiterate in those days. (still are, but that's another story)
I remember waking up at 4 o'clock in the morning to watch my cartoons on Saturday and Sunday, and then when the Football started, I can remember retiring to the computer to play some Space Quest 1. Or Police Quest 1, and turning on the sirens to go through traffic lights because you couldn't tell whether they were green/red on an orange-scale monitor w/ Hercules Monochrome graphics. And yes, for a long time, Mr. Wizard was my favourite TV show. That got replaced by Bill Nye for a few years, and now it's Discovery Channel. There's only two shows that aren't on Discovery that I watch with any regularity, actually: Stargate SG1 and Corner Gas.
Suffice to say that I spent an awful lot of my youth staring at flickering screens, and according to your psychology friend, becoming retarded because of it.
To be fair, I did a lot outside, as well. My house backed on to a provincially-significant wetland that's still there. I used to go out in the brack and play wargames with the neighbours. I played Soccer, Rugby, and was very active in aquatics.
I guess what I'm getting at is that I don't think it's the act of staring at a screen that causes problems in kids. I think it's the lack of truly meaningful stimulation. One thing I never had was a console. I also never had any games my parents didn't buy.... when I was growing up, that was a Pinball game, Math Blaster, the Carmen Sandiego series, and Sierra RPGs. Pretty educational software, really. Or at least stuff that makes you think... compare it to Halflife, for example, and they're not in the same category at all.
I'd allow games. At least, I'd allow games like Civilization (which is really just a very complicated Chess) and RPGs. But I'd also never buy my kid a gaming console, and I'd make sure my kid got into sports and other kinds of physical activity. Monkey see, monkey do. The best way, then, would be to go for lots of bike rides with the kid, take the kid x-country skiing, buy and actually use a treadmill (I'm on mine 60 minutes a day), and maybe get into martial arts. But above all, don't let the TV do the raising of your kids. Get rid of cable TV, or use the V-Chip to block non-educational channels without password. And spend time with the rugrats. Every Friday, one of my parents took a day off work, and they'd alternate so both took 2 Fridays a month. They'd stay home, and spend time with me and my brother, making sure we didn't kill each other, and didn't spend the day inside doing fsck-all.
Oh, and if you're in an area where it's possible, kill the air conditioning. It'll take some getting used to, but I'd wager that one reason kids spend too much time indoors is because it's too damned hot outside.
If you believe everything you read, you'd better not read. - Japanese proverb
I am a high school teacher. If I have one thing about kids today that infuriates me, it's that they don't read. I wonder half the time if they even can at all. I teach history (I'm a geek by avocation!!) and am shocked at the absolute refusal of so many to read. Not "I don't get it", but "f*** it, I'm not going to read it". If they don't even touch a computer, they'll be fine. Really. What is a computer but a simple tool really. I code for fun. Some do for profit. Fine. For most, it's a tool. Type a paper, check email, etc. Things like an OS, browser, email client, etc., mean nothing. (Which is why microsoft is really scared. Once people actually figure it out...)
Anyways, take them fishing, hunting, skiing, etc. Have them play sports, read books, write poetry. Whatever. Teach them to cook. The technology we need is an MRI in a hospital not an Xbox in the living room. My dad is 67 or something. He never touched a computer until he reitred a few years ago. Now, he uses the computer like a pro.
And since this is father's day (btw, I have three myself), the best you thing you can do is be their father. Whatever you have to do is not more important than them. I'm 36 and still fish with my old man. There's a reason. Buy him a hundred books, read a hundred books to him, take him to a hundred ball games, take him fishing a hundred times, play a hundred games of candyland (or whtever game), do a hundred other things a hndred times before you buy him a computer.
My problem? I was perfectly gruntled, until some numbnuts came by and dissed me.
What that is teaching is that computers and TV are a _reward_ to strive for which I believe to be a great error
I couldn't agree more. If you want your kids to enjoy the out doors, then take them there. Go to the beach, go camping. Go play sports with them. And have a good time while you're doing it. Make that the reward, and the computer something to do in the meantime.