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Knoppix 4.0 DVD - Like a Kid in a Candy Store
IdleTime writes "O'Reilly Developer Weblogs has a nice review of the new yet unreleased Knoppix 4.0 on DVD. As the article says 'A totally new release of Knoppix was unveiled at LinuxTag 2005, Knoppix 4.0. This is the release that introduces the split between "maxi" DVD and "mini" CD releases. I've tried out the 4.0 DVD and let me tell you, I'm like a kid in a candy store.'" AlexanderT points to some currently available torrent files for the DVD.
But the article could have been summed up by just saying "it has tons of packages. Pretty much everything you'd expect."
This is the release that introduces the split between "maxi" DVD and "mini" CD releases
My question is: are the maxi ones super absorbancy?
It's made of pure awesome.
Why is it that when you believe something it's an opinion, but when I believe something it's a manifesto?
See, this is awesome, because I can finally have everything I ever wanted in Linux with me, to run on any PC with a DVD drive (and who doesn't have one these days?), without having to install a thing. This means when I go to a friend's house, I don't have to use their spyware infested Windows partition, I can just pop in the Knoppix DVD and run that.
I would like to know what else is included in the DVD version that isn't in the CD variant, though.
"I've really only scratched the surface of the Knoppix 4.0 DVD"
Ouch -- it hasn't been released yet and he's already ruined his copy? Hopefully he didn't delete the image file or he'll have to download it again.
That sold one of my coworkers on it, and now he typically boots to linux instead of windows.
But these websites are so trustworthy!
Quote from torrentreactor.to in IE:
The site might require the following ActiveX control: 'Free Download Access__ Click YES - If you agre...' from 'WEBSITE ACCCESS'. Click here to install..
Well, if WEBSITE ACCCESS wants me to install it, I better! It has THREE C's! That's one more C than normal access!
Come on guys, this is free software, no need to go to disreputable torrent sites to download it.
I love knoppix and all, but when was the last time you popped it into someone else's computer (especialy one at work or school if your not IT/fixing it) and didn't get your head bitten off.
Hell, I still like booting school computers into knoppix when no one is looking, then taking the CD out and walking off. They FREAK out... lol
Scott Swezey
good distro, rather light review, but, and bear with me on this one, what about machines that lack dvd-roms?
i promise they're out there, they're not even uncommon. sure, any pre-packaged machine will have one these days but, imho, one of the advantages to knoppix has always been all the functionality you get from a just one cd. i can certainly see how nice it is to have the choice of 7+ window managers and all those bulky suites that were being cut, but no mention is made regarding the continuation of the cd-based distro. is it going to be dropped?
download time is, as always, also a factor to consider.
i'm sure i'll download and try out this release, as i have with more than i can remember in the past, but it crosses my mind to wonder if such bulk might not hurt the usefullness of a traditionally handy distro.
The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it.
-Oscar Wilde
NO!
Having RTFA, I see he meant it was fun to look at all the cool treats in store for Knoppix users.
I was hoping he didn't mean morbidly obese, toothless, and spoiled rotten by overindulgent or inattentive parents.
Raise your children as if you were teaching them to raise your grandchildren, because you are.
It's nice that you can cram every single package under the sun onto a DVD, but does it really make "knoppix" any better? I mean, the review basically says "OMG Packages! I can run teh Gnome & Firefox, then KDE and Konq! This makes knoppix awesome!!!
I'm more interested in what the 4.0 "mini" release.
There are some people that if they don't know, you can't tell 'em.
no but they have wings
[20:36] wwwdot/.dotorg
Generally there's a -en ISO and a -de ISO. The -de defaults to German while the -en defaults to English. It is possible to get a US language/keyboard from the de version and vice versa, however you have to know where the = key is on the German keyboard (something like shift-2?)
we have Damn Small Linux. www.damnsmalllinux.org
It takes just 50 MB and can be run off read only memory (or memory that you shouldn't write too much to) like compact flash or a usb dongle. It is a riff off Knoppix. It is the easiest way to create an 'embedded' system that I've seen.
Not only does Linux scale well but so, apparently, does Knoppix.
http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/21/ 0050255&tid=190
So dont worry; we can have the best of both worlds.
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Whatever do you mean? What if I'm just suspicious of Germans you insensitive clod?! Okay. You caught me. I never thought of "lang=us". I tried up up down down left right left right b a select start though.
They arent that obscure, being fairly well documented http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Cheat_Codes and I think if you press F2 during startup you get a list of the most common ones.
Web Developers: Celebrate to our roots! Animated Gifs and Tiled Backgrounds, dont let our history die!
Because Debian(which Knoppix is based on) still runs XFree.
Please don't interpret this as a downer.
I use knoppix myself, I think it is the best distro out there and I plan on continue using knoppix.
I am just posting this because I was curious about it and had to go to the trouble to find out.
If you are interested in installing the DVD version of Knoppix to your hard drive you have to install it all. You can't pick and choose among the software.
FWIW.....
Aren't they ActiveX controls of DOM?
Many of you already know this, but one of the great things about linux LiveCDs is the ability to work on an otherwise screwed-up computer, and salvage it (or the data on it, etc.). A LiveCD is absolutely great for fixing a Windows or linux PC that has gotten messed up. For instance, you can create backup images of disks using partimage and restore them with a LiveCD (in particular, the SystemRescueDisk is good for that).
/. crowd that has not played with LiveCDs yet (or linux at all) you should seriously consider burning a copy and seeing what all the fuss is about.
A Knoppix LiveDVD is more geared towards booting a PC and being productive (with OpenOffice, Blender 3D, etc.)... however it's a great thing to have lying around because you can diagnose and repair a system, do a full virus scan (as pointed out in TFA), while having internet access, being able to open relevant wordprocessor documents, etc. etc. A LiveDVD like this could also help in extracting files from a corrupt filesystem (you can open and work with the files immediately, if that becomes necessary).
To anyone in the
There is no 'release' at all really. The DVD's for LinuxTag are basically one-off 4.0 discs, the 'real' 4.0 release usually comes out a couple weeks later and might include a couple more updates.
Your hair look like poop, Bob! - Wanker.
The DVD boots into German by default, but this can be changed with the "lang=us" cheatcode(several other languages are also supported).
It's funny you should bring that I up. I just solved the same problem last week on my 9.3
.asx audio streams. I can't get iPodder to work with it. I had the same problem with Fedora Core as well.
This link below solved almost all of my problems. Go to the multimedia section and pick out the codecs.
http://packman.links2linux.de/
In the libraries section look for the Win32-Codecs
The only thing I'm still frustrated is the Python libraries, and
Hope this helps!
Two quotes from the Slashdot summary:
"nice review of the new yet unreleased Knoppix"
"currently available torrent files for the DVD"
Someone must be using a definition of "unreleased" that I'm not fimilar with.
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no redbull is how they get the wings.
[20:36] wwwdot/.dotorg
There are girls out there that don't have the knowledge of knoppix dvds. If you met them away from the internet you would know this already.
[20:36] wwwdot/.dotorg
Oh, that's right, you don't have one...
Thats what I keep telling my wife.
I'm a virgo and on Slashdot. Coincidence? Yes.
If you have to explain the acronym, don't use it.
I really don't like it when people pass of a blog entry as a review. The author tells us that "There are simply tons of packages on this DVD", and spends three paragraphs (about a third of the 'review') describing ClamAV and how to use it - something which has little or nothing to do with Knoppix on DVD apart from that fact that it's included.
Nothing against Kyle Rankin and his blog of course, he's doing what blogs do. And it is nice to know I can now run Gnome. But shame on you Mr. IdleTime.
You can find torrent trackers & even info on how to hexedit the ISO to force it to US English at the Knoppix.net forum thread.
This is true. The installer is a dialog/Xdialog script that guides the user to partition the HD, create a user account, enter the root passwd, and then decompresses the entire compresed loopback KNOPPIX and KNOPPIX2 files to the new partition. Then it applies the user info, converts the init & runlevels to be normal init system, and installs grub to the MBR. At no point is there any choice in deciding which packages to install since ALL of them get installed.
/etc/rc*.d. In past releases new users that installed Knoppix also experienced fstab problems in regards to optical drives and had difficulties in using the Debian package system since at that time Knoppix was a mixture of Debian stable/testing/unstable.
Knoppix users & newbies should also note that installing Knoppix to the HD is not recommended since something tends to break. In Knoppix 3.9, networking was broken due to a missing link in
Shift-0
Linux is not Windows
I have one PC with a hyper-threading P4 and the recent Knoppix and Ubuntu live CD's I've tried lately all fail to boot. The LILO screen works and the kernel loads, but almost immediately I get a flood of error messages about IRQ 18 and then the kernels all hang or slowly repeat the errors over and over again.
Tomsrtbt, http://www.toms.net/rb, fits on a floppy disk. (one of the ways he saves space is by taking out the extraneous Os and spaces in 'Tom's Root Boot'
Can you be Even More Awesome?!
Alright, what mod rewarded a point to a post that couldn't get the assignment operator right?
Help poke pirates in the eyepatch, arr.
How would any acronyms come into the general lexicon then?
"It is not how things are in the world that is mystical, but that it exists." -Ludwig Wittgenstein
Knoppix 4.0 is brand spanking new release only as a 4GB ISO that at last check had a 230:1140 seed to downloader ratio. I think that is why there is little to no info about it.
/etc/rc*.d. In past releases new users that installed Knoppix also experienced fstab problems in regards to optical drives and had difficulties in using the Debian package system since at that time Knoppix was a mixture of Debian stable/testing/unstable. Knoppix 4.0 is using Debian unstable for all of its packages, so maintenance of the HD should be easier than before. So far the only thing broken in a HD install of Knoppix 4.0 is manpages functionality. man ls or man vi works on DVD but is broken when run from the HD install.
As for the review, if you are at all familiar with Knoppix then it is just the same Knoppix with a huge load of packages, some GUI improvements, and some new functionality brought about by using packages & configuration info from Knoppix derivatives (like Kanotix) that was then accepted by Klaus Knoppix & fed back into Knoppix mainline. I felt that Knoppix 3.9 was ugly and now 4.0 uses KDE 3.4.1 with the Plastik widget style as default as opposed to previous release which used Keramik on KDE 3.4.0. Those folks who were missing GNOME can now use GNOME 2.8 since it has been missing for at least 18 months. Knoppix 4.0 uses a older more stable snapshot of UnionFS and will now not crash or exhibit strange filesystem behaviors like 3.9 did. V4.0 includes OO.o 2.0 beta, KOffice & if I recall correctly, abiword & gnumeric so it looks like office apps are all covered. If you want specifics on the packages, then look to the package list file on the Knoppix mirrors.
Knoppix users & newbies should also note that installing Knoppix to the HD is not recommended since something tends to break. In Knoppix 3.9, networking was broken due to a missing link in
Like most special conference releases (ex: Knoppix 3.8 Cebit Edition), Knoppix 4.0 DVD edition from LinuxTag, is standardized in German but contains support for many languages. A boot time cheat code of: knoppix lang=us will force it to load in US English. A more permanent method is to hexedit the ISO and change the lang=de entries to lang=us. Again like most conference releases, Klaus Knopper did not officially release the DVD as in is only for sale at LinuxTag for 5 euros. As a FOSS project, it is legal to distribute the ISO and this is what someone has done. You can find torrent trackers, screenshot galleries, and more info at the Knoppix 4.0 DVD Knoppix.net forum thread about.
the bittorrent trackers have all been slashdotted.
could someone post a trackerless torrent/alternative link?
Actually this has been an extension for FF for quite some time now.
p hp?application=firefox&category=Humor&numpg=10&id= 742
https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.
RTFA again for the best results.
This link will explain what to do to get a fully functioning English version. It is from the forums on www.knoppix.net - http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19726
It states:
As with some of the other versions that default into German, you can use the cheat code Knoppix lang=us (to get the equals sign, press shit+zero) which will than bring up a fully functional English version.
I'm still waiting for a peer to download from the torrent however.
Knoppix has a utility called "Captive". This nice little utility allows you to actually use the NTFS driver from a Windows installation (Knoppix supports NTFS Reading right off the bat) in order to get fully working NTFS Read/Write.
You could also put the NTFS(.sys?) driver on a USB drive, or a floppy to use. OR you could use Captive's builtin ability to download some service pack from Microsoft's website and automatically grab the file from there, though it takes awhile to download and I'm sure Microsoft doesn't like it. But heck, if you're burning a copy of Windows to a CD, I'm sure you don't care about EULA nonsense.
Try different kernel parms at boot, or shuffle your PCI cards around. At any rate, you're lucky - my IRQ only goes up to 15. ;-)
a tcodes.txt
Try boot: parm " pci=bios " (? IIRC) to see if it will boot; then you can DL the source, recompile the kernel and test at your leisure.
--See this for more info:
ftp://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/knoppix/knoppix-che
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== WolfriderV6 == I'm willing to admit that *I just might* be wrong... Are you??
Nope. echo HWAACITGLT >> general_lexicon
Suppose you can read 10M/s from the disc. If it's uncompressed, that's exactly what your throughput is. What if you get 2:1 compression (at least for that piece of data)? Suddenly your effective throughput is 20M/s.
Obviously this is a tradeoff between media speed and CPU/memory. But it's very likely that the Knoppix DVD contains a compressed filesystem to increase performance.
lots of loud?
Sig?
Knoppix is fantastic - it's been a great system-saver and diagnostic tool, as well as my way of making a ghosting system.
My only complaint is if you let it load the desktop, the desktop is incredibly ugly - busy amateurish backgrounds, and almost always the ugliest KDE themes. I can see Knoppix putting off a lot of people who would otherwise move to Linux when they see the awful desktop theme in Knoppix. Can't they make it simple and elegant like Red Hat's Bluecurve?
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Bullshit argument. There is no correlation between wanting the GPL to be enforced and wanting music, movies, and games copyrights to be obliterated. You are doing undue pregidious to to honest copyright respecting slashdot readers. If you want to attack those that pirate games/etc, do so, you do not need to drag innocent people through the mud for it.
-If God wanted people to be better than me, he would have made them that way.
Also, I'm curious if the files are compressed? It's a tradeoff of storage and disk read speed vs. CPU speed, and unlike CDs, I'm not sure if it's a win, but DVDs only have ~4.7GB for regular or 8.5 for double-layer, so you'll run out of space after a while :-)
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
Since DVD's are quicker than CDroms that alone will get me to use the DVD. All the other software is bonus stuff!
They still use (a Branch of) XFree 4.3.
The license issues appeared just before 4.4
So there are no freedom issues.
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On most recent US keyboards, it is between the left Ctrl key and the left Alt key.
Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. --Mark Twain
Hmm, that gives me an idea for a new distro.: ArcadeLinux, which is mainly controlled with a joystick. The Contra code is equivalent to su -, you start X with down-forward-high punch...
It's also great for when the boss unexpectedly shows up: Why I'm playing Mortal Kombat during work? I'm practicing my EMACS macros, that's why!
USE HOT GRITS WITH STATUE OF NATALIE PORTMAN (NAKED AND PETRIFIED)
Does anyone know a place to donate to the people that produce Knoppix? It's saved my butt quite a lot, and it's an easy way to show people what Linux can do.
'Be always mindful, even when ditch-digging.' --D. T. Suzuki
There is another distro more "political" than Debian. It's Ututo-e. Is the only one sponsored by FSF. Acording to RMS, Debian is not kasher enought for him.
Here is a review.
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