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France to Be Site of World's First Nuclear Fusion

brad writes "The New York Times (free registration) is reporting that 'France won an international competition today to be the site of the world's first nuclear fusion reactor, an estimated $12 billion project that many scientists see as essential to solving the world's future energy needs.'"

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  1. Dup Fusion by A+Dafa+Disciple · · Score: 4, Funny

    If only /. editors could develop a method for fusing dups.

    Try paying attention to your own site.

    1. Re:Dup Fusion by Scaba · · Score: 3, Funny

      Does't work that way. /. stories are a fissionable material; that's why you seem them more than once.

    2. Re:Dup Fusion by PrivateDonut · · Score: 5, Insightful

      both are on the front page!

      dont the /. editors read /. ?

    3. Re:Dup Fusion by helioquake · · Score: 4, Funny

      Think of it as a chance for "do-over" the comment you thought you'd score high mod points earlier...

      /hey, subscribers get to see the dupe 30 minutes earlier than you did.

    4. Re:Dup Fusion by Tassach · · Score: 4, Funny
      Let's see... a developer wants to build a hotel on the land now occupied by Justice Souter's home, to be financed with investments from pro-Liberty individuals.

      Only one question: where do I send my check?

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    5. Re:Dup Fusion by Lisandro · · Score: 4, Funny

      It IS newsworthy! It's not the first dupe of a story still viewable in the main index, but it is the first dupe only 7 hours after the original! Don't be mean, you!

    6. Re:Dup Fusion by l3ert · · Score: 5, Funny

      And that's why they cause servers meltdown.

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    7. Re:Dup Fusion by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Funny

      If only /. editors could develop a method for fusing dups.

      I'll have you know that this is NOT a dupe! The first article was in the Science section. This article is in the Hardware section! It must mean that Nuclear Fusion will be coming to power our computer hardware soon! Yippee! </sarcasm> ;-)

    8. Re:Dup Fusion by joejoejoejoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      yeah no shit, it's still even on the home page / same page as this.

      go ahead mod me, but sometimes this is rediculous. Read the home page before you post something, at... least...

      -Joe

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    9. Re:Dup Fusion by RedWizzard · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Take a look at the science section. They're the top two stories.

    10. Re:Dup Fusion by werewolf1031 · · Score: 2, Funny

      But... but... Dr. Octavius already TRIED this, and if his non-magnetic metal arms can't contain the reaction and keep it from blowing up the world, WHO CAN?!

      IN OTHER NEWS...

      "France Now World's Largest Smoking Crater; Film at 11"

      ...spidey sense... tingling...

    11. Re:Dup Fusion by XaXXon · · Score: 4, Funny

      I just wasted 5-6 of my no-ads page-views because the last time I refreshed slashdot it was this same article on top. I thought my browser was broken.

      I WANT MY 6 PAID VIEWS BACK!!!

    12. Re:Dup Fusion by Mahou · · Score: 2, Funny

      it's ok they can just dump the sea water on it to put it out

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    13. Re:Dup Fusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    14. Re:Dup Fusion by KillerDeathRobot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      fusing dupes would be nice too. Try paying attention to your own spelling.

      To be fair, "dupe" isn't a real word either. "Dup," if you think about it, is sort of a more logical truncation of duplicate.

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    15. Re:Dup Fusion by danila · · Score: 2, Funny

      May be Slashdot editors hope that you place the stories close enough to each other, they would combine into a new, heavier story, releasing a lot of energy in the process? Yeah, that makes sense to me.

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  2. Fusion by wass · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just fuse the original story and this dupe into a heavier-Z nucleus story.

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  3. dupe dupe dupe, dupe of Earl Earl Earl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    ah, that same old song, except this time all on the same screen!

  4. "Hardware", not "Science" by JanneM · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is sectioned "Hardware", not "Science", so perhaps this time around we could have an actual discussion on fusion technology and the planned plant, not devolve into a flamefest between idiots.

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    1. Re:"Hardware", not "Science" by SamSim · · Score: 2, Funny
      not devolve into a flamefest between idiots

      You're new here, right?

  5. Cool, by hungrygrue · · Score: 4, Funny

    I didn't have time to read the article the first time it was posted today. Thanks for the helpful dupe!

  6. Hey editors by cy_a253 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can't you at least wait until the original article scrolls off the main page before you post the same article again...

    How hard is it to CHECK THE MAIN PAGE BEFORE YOU POST?!

    *bangs head on table*

    1. Re:Hey editors by hjo3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You know, other people have already made numerous comments to this effect. How hard is it for YOU to check the comments before YOU post?

      Yeah, no hypocrisy here...

  7. Strong support from the Pacific for this one!! by plierhead · · Score: 3, Funny
    As an inhabitant of the Pacific, which France has defiled over many years with their constant testing of nuclear weapons, I strongly support France's desires to house a nuclear fusion reactor in their own country for once. It will certainly make a change from them blasting the hell out of, and irradiating, the unlucky natives living on atolls that fall under France's colonial umbrella.

    My only desire would be that the safety procedures at the new reactor are placed under the control of a third party - preferably a college frat house, its members well supplied with halucinogenic drugs, and who could control the reactor's safety computer systems (based on Windows ME) over the Internet from their own dormrooms via a non-secured link.

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    1. Re:Strong support from the Pacific for this one!! by plierhead · · Score: 2, Interesting
      1) You apparently don't live around here or you would be aware that the Pacific refers to the entire region, not just to the ocean.

      2) It would appear you are unfamiliar with the facts. France has conducted many many tests in the islands over man years, as well as even planting a bomb on board a Greenpeace protest ship in Auckland harbour (a city of over a million and hardly an uninhabited sandbar) and killing a journalist who was on board ("Rainbow Warrior" ring any bells to you?)

      3) You fail to understand irony - clearly a nuclear disaster should not be wished on anyone. But the fact remains that to many of inhabitants of the Pacific the French are the devil's agents, and I will happily lump you in with the devil's tools too based on your support of them in defiance of the facts.

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  8. What a founder of the fusion program has to say... by Baldrson · · Score: 3, Informative
    You should probably read what a founder of the US fusion program has to say about the Tokamak technology upon which ITER is based:
    The DoE committment to very large fusion concepts (the giant magnetic tokamak) ensures only the need for very large budgets; and that is what the program has been about for the past 15 years - a defense-of-budget program - not a fusion-achievement program. As one of three people who created this program in the early 1970's (when I was an Asst. Dir. of the AEC's Controlled Thermonuclear Reaction Division) I know this to be true; we raised the budget in order to take 20% off the top of the larger funding, to try all of the hopeful new things that the mainline labs would not try.

    Each of us left soon thereafter, and the second generation management thought the big program was real; it was not. Ever since then, the ERDA/DoE has rolled Congress to increase and/or continue big-budget support. This worked so long as various Democratic Senators and Congressmen could see the funding as helpful in their districts. But fear of undermining their budget position also made DoE bureaucrats very autocratic and resistant to any kind of new approach, whether inside DoE or out in industry. This led DoE to fight industry wherever a non-DoE hopful new idea appeared.

  9. Correction by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 5, Funny
    The headline says France to Be Site of World's First Nuclear Fusion... but that is speculative.

    Since they already have EuroDisney, and this Fusion thingy might not pan out, the headline just as easily could have been:

    France to Be Site of World's Second Largest Boondogle

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  10. Re:Stupid Title by Stormwatch · · Score: 2, Informative

    World = planet Earth. The sun is a bit far from the world.

  11. That was hours and hours ago. by lheal · · Score: 2, Funny

    Who can remember that long ago? I had to google it to verify that you were right. Luckily, it was still in Google's cache.

    I, for one, welcome duplicate stories.

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  12. Half Life by keytoe · · Score: 5, Funny

    Looks like the half-life of a slashdot story is about 7.5 hours...

  13. Let's sing! by Stormwatch · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is the news that doesn't end,
    yes it goes on and on my friend,
    some people started posting it not knowing it's a dupe,
    now they'll continue duping it forever just because...

    (repeat)

  14. Geezzzz! by JohnnyBigodes · · Score: 4, Funny

    The French are going to have TWO nuclear fusion reactors. They are becoming a top world power! :D

  15. Re:Nuclear fusion has already happened. by Lisandro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Fusors are a common source of neutrons; specially seemingly simple arrangements like the Farnsworth fusor (that's right, the same guy who invented TV). The hard thing about fusion is getting excess energy from it.

  16. Wait, people... by Colz+Grigor · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Wait a second, folks... this isn't a duplicate story! Don't you see? The first one was posted under the Science category, and this article is about Hardware.

    All joking aside, wouldn't it be nice if SlashDot's main page worked just like the moderation system? Every submitted story would start with a value of 1 and each moderator could push a story up or down one point. Of course, it all comes together when each user sets their own threshhold for front page stories...

    I'm guessing this feature has already been suggested for SlashCode implementation. Maybe I should go check...

    ::Colz Grigor

  17. Re:Stupid Title by Barbarian · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...hydrogen bombs?

  18. why why why NYT? by 1nv4d3r · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A quick trip to google news will show you 307 other sources of this story, which don't require registration. It seems to me like slashdot should never have to link to NYT from the main page.

    I can understand if my suggestion is not taken seriously. I only hope it doesn't lead to 307 more dupes.

  19. Slashdot Dupe History by Hack+Jandy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hmm... 3 times have been done before, but never on the FP I think.

    http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=151936&c id=12747639
    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144601&cid=121 15432
    http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=150292&c id=12603539

    Of course there was the April Fools Trupe of yore:
    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=59193&threshol d=1&commentsort=0&tid=95&tid=172&mode=thread&cid=5 638044

    And then there are the many dupes by the same "Editor" (Usually Zonk):
    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144599&cid=121 13809

    Ah yes, and then there was the dupe that occured less than an hour after the original. There has been some debate as to whether that was even a dupe or just a Slashvertisement, but for our purposes today we will just call it a dupe:
    http://www.andrerestivo.com/weblog/archives/slashd otdupe.html

    All of this has been documented for your protection here:
    http://anti-slash.org/injustices/CmdrTaco/double_d upe/

    HJ

  20. Amazon? by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 3, Funny
    I'm guessing this feature has already been suggested for SlashCode implementation. Maybe I should go check...

    I believe Amazon has already patented this idea, maybe you should send them a check for disclosing proprietary information.

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  21. Re:Stupid Title by joe_bruin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    UCLA has a nuclear fusion reactor (taurus type) on the bottom floor of Boelter Hall, North-East corner. As the parent said, the title is idiotic, as is the body of the story, and the editor certainly is no genius.

  22. Re:I'll wait until it shows up again by Psykechan · · Score: 3, Funny

    When it is duped next time it better be in the "Games" section. I want to play a nice game of Sim Fusion Power Plant.

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  23. Unfortunate Timothy by illumnatLA · · Score: 3, Funny

    It sure seems that Timothy dupes posts on a recurring basis. "The Duplicator" should be his pen name.


    Oh... wait... didn't someone post something about this already??? Silly me.

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  24. Re:What a founder of the fusion program has to say by Goldsmith · · Score: 2, Informative

    Tokamak technology goes back around 60 years, not 30. It was invented in the 1940s. There is a replica of the original Tokamak style reactor in a small museum at General Atomics in San Diego.

    General Atomics, by the way, is in a very Republican area. GA has one of the biggest fusion programs around, AND is part of the established energy industry. They do have a gigantic magnetic fusion reactor there, but also a number of groups working on alternative fusion technologies.

  25. Re:NIMBY - Not In My Back Yard by fluffy666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Tell me, did you ever work out what that grey stuff between your ears was for?

    FUSION IS NOT FISSION. A FUSION REACTOR CANNOT GO BOOM EVEN IN THEORY.

  26. Re:Dup Fusion and rejected submission by Mictian · · Score: 4, Informative


    While crying and moaning about dupes and rejected submissions isn't exactly constructive criticism, I have to voice my disappointment with the Slashdot editors, especially Timothy, on this one.

    I feel particularly annoyed about this news bit. Why is that? Well, I happened to submit this story early tuesday morning (about 10 am GMT / 6 am EST) and it got rejected. It happens and as such is not a big deal. But the following is imho rather embarrassing.

    Not only was this news piece accepted and posted on Slashdot later as someone elses submission, it was actually accepted & posted twice (becoming yet another infamous Slashdot dupe). And in this case the poster of the dupe was no other than Timothy, who rejected my submission.

    It seems he initially didn't think this particular news was important and rejected my submission. I knew it was an important bit of news to anyone who follows physics and nuclear stuff, a category which many slashdotters fall into. Potentially and on the long run this could be important news to everyone on the planet who uses electricity.

    Anyway, the next day Timothy seems to have decided that a less comprehensive and informative submission on the same subject is worth posting, and as icing on the cake, he does it without even bothering to check the site's own news from yesterday (the already posted story was actually still on the frontpage!) thus creating a dupe story.

    Only on Slashdot do you find editors who don't even read their own site's frontpage when posting a news story (to avoid dupes), nor remember that they rejected the very same story yesterday. We're all human and mistakes happen. And I'm sure the editors get swamped by a huge number of submissions, which probably aren't exactly a joy to wade through trying to pick the worthy ones.

    However, these sort of things seem to happen a bit more often than they could or should. Perhaps the editors could put a little more time and effort into the process, since many of the previous, similar mistakes seem rather easily avoided (at least to a /. reader like myself).

    Ps. Here's my original Slashdot submission about this story just for reference (with a forgotten BBC link added):

    After 18 months of wrangling over the construction site of the ITER (International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor) the participants (China, EU, Japan, Russia, South Korea and USA) finally agreed upon Cadarache in France over Rokkasho-Mura in Japan. Japan withdrew its bid after getting a concessions package deal. The 10 billion ($12bn) project will be the 2nd most expensive joint scientific project after the ISS and hopefully a gateway to a commercial fusion reactor prototype. Construction should begin this year and be completed in 2015.

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  27. You're doing it all wrong... by crimson30 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yours didn't have a NY Times link. And yours wasn't at all misleading and sensationalist, either. To spice things up, maybe add a condescending sentence at the end, like so:

    The world's first fusion reactor is soon to be completed in France. Nuclear Fusion is what powers the sun and hydrogen bombs. w00t!

    And last, but not least, submit it under the wrong category, like say, Star Wars.

  28. Scoop by waynegoode · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is called Scoop and you can see it at (among other places) SciScoop.com. Everyone gets to vote on stories, not just the moderators. I post several articles a week myself.