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France to Be Site of World's First Nuclear Fusion

brad writes "The New York Times (free registration) is reporting that 'France won an international competition today to be the site of the world's first nuclear fusion reactor, an estimated $12 billion project that many scientists see as essential to solving the world's future energy needs.'"

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  1. Dup Fusion by A+Dafa+Disciple · · Score: 4, Funny

    If only /. editors could develop a method for fusing dups.

    Try paying attention to your own site.

    1. Re:Dup Fusion by Scaba · · Score: 3, Funny

      Does't work that way. /. stories are a fissionable material; that's why you seem them more than once.

    2. Re:Dup Fusion by PrivateDonut · · Score: 5, Insightful

      both are on the front page!

      dont the /. editors read /. ?

    3. Re:Dup Fusion by helioquake · · Score: 4, Funny

      Think of it as a chance for "do-over" the comment you thought you'd score high mod points earlier...

      /hey, subscribers get to see the dupe 30 minutes earlier than you did.

    4. Re:Dup Fusion by Tassach · · Score: 4, Funny
      Let's see... a developer wants to build a hotel on the land now occupied by Justice Souter's home, to be financed with investments from pro-Liberty individuals.

      Only one question: where do I send my check?

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    5. Re:Dup Fusion by Lisandro · · Score: 4, Funny

      It IS newsworthy! It's not the first dupe of a story still viewable in the main index, but it is the first dupe only 7 hours after the original! Don't be mean, you!

    6. Re:Dup Fusion by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      Sorry, that wasn't a law that was passed, it's a court decision, which is different than passing a law.

      "Susette Kelo, et al. v. City of New London, et al., more commonly Kelo v. New London, is a land-use law case argued before the United States Supreme Court on February 22, 2005. The case dealt with the limits of eminent domain, and specifically ruled that, under the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment, local governments may condemn private houses in order to use the land for uses that are primarily commercial, so long as such use serves a demonstrated "public purpose."

      The case was first heard at the appellate level in the Supreme Court of Connecticut, which found that the use of eminent domain for economic development (the central focus of the case) did not violate the public use clauses of the state and federal constitutions. The court found that if an economic project creates new jobs, increases tax and other city revenues, and revitalizes a depressed (even if not blighted) urban area, it qualifies as a public use. The court also found that government delegation of eminent domain power to a private entity was also constitutional as long as the private entity served as the legally authorized agent of the government.
      The United States Supreme Court granted Certiorari to consider questions last raised in Berman v. Parker, 348 U.S. 26 (1954). Namely, does the Fifth Amendment protect landowners from the use of eminent domain for economic development, rather than, as in Berman, for the elimination of slums and blight."

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susette_Kelo_et_al._v ._City_of_New_London_et_al.

    7. Re:Dup Fusion by l3ert · · Score: 5, Funny

      And that's why they cause servers meltdown.

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    8. Re:Dup Fusion by nherm · · Score: 1

      Vive la dupe!

    9. Re:Dup Fusion by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Funny

      If only /. editors could develop a method for fusing dups.

      I'll have you know that this is NOT a dupe! The first article was in the Science section. This article is in the Hardware section! It must mean that Nuclear Fusion will be coming to power our computer hardware soon! Yippee! </sarcasm> ;-)

    10. Re:Dup Fusion by MasterSLATE · · Score: 1

      I bet it'd be even funnier if they were both posted by the same editor.

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    11. Re:Dup Fusion by joejoejoejoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      yeah no shit, it's still even on the home page / same page as this.

      go ahead mod me, but sometimes this is rediculous. Read the home page before you post something, at... least...

      -Joe

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    12. Re:Dup Fusion by SeventyBang · · Score: 1


      And that's when they append updates to the original story.

      Timothy must be like the people who have been on the 'net for five years and think they've seen everything. And during the first pass of an inbox, respond to every message, thinking nothing of the fact they find responses from others later in their inbox (instead of reading everything and going back to respond).

      Anyone know if any /. editors have been fired?

    13. Re:Dup Fusion by RedWizzard · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Take a look at the science section. They're the top two stories.

    14. Re:Dup Fusion by werewolf1031 · · Score: 2, Funny

      But... but... Dr. Octavius already TRIED this, and if his non-magnetic metal arms can't contain the reaction and keep it from blowing up the world, WHO CAN?!

      IN OTHER NEWS...

      "France Now World's Largest Smoking Crater; Film at 11"

      ...spidey sense... tingling...

    15. Re:Dup Fusion by XaXXon · · Score: 4, Funny

      I just wasted 5-6 of my no-ads page-views because the last time I refreshed slashdot it was this same article on top. I thought my browser was broken.

      I WANT MY 6 PAID VIEWS BACK!!!

    16. Re:Dup Fusion by Mahou · · Score: 2, Funny

      it's ok they can just dump the sea water on it to put it out

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    17. Re:Dup Fusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    18. Re:Dup Fusion by Metteyya · · Score: 1, Funny

      Don't complain, at least you have a chance for karma-lifting posting +5 Funny comments about dupes.

    19. Re:Dup Fusion by da · · Score: 1

      Alan, is that you? ;-) Well if it is a theme park, it was way more fun than Alton Towers when I wnet to their open day (but then I find discussing the remote repair systems of a nuclear fusion reactor with it's designeers much more fun than sitting in a roller-coaster, YMMV...)

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    20. Re:Dup Fusion by Guardian+of+Terra · · Score: 1

      Who cares? First make it work, i.e. atleast suppport fusion, after that think on deiterium.

    21. Re:Dup Fusion by kilodelta · · Score: 1

      The issue is pattern recognition in context. Computers haven't yet reached that level of sophistication.

      And with the sheer number of posts occuring on /. every day I'm not surprised by duplication, even having been guilty of it once or twice.

      It's the price we pay for living on the bleeding edge.

    22. Re:Dup Fusion by madmancarman · · Score: 1

      I didn't think Funny mods affected your karma. At least, that's what I'd always been told.

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    23. Re:Dup Fusion by S.O.B. · · Score: 1

      Look at the little Anonymous Coward get angry. That's so cute.

      The point is not that someone without the nerve to post under his/her real name reads /. every day. The point is that the editors should be reading /. every day.

      If you don't read it, how can you edit it.

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    24. Re:Dup Fusion by KillerDeathRobot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      fusing dupes would be nice too. Try paying attention to your own spelling.

      To be fair, "dupe" isn't a real word either. "Dup," if you think about it, is sort of a more logical truncation of duplicate.

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    25. Re:Dup Fusion by vortigern00 · · Score: 1

      comment on your sig -- I get worked up because, since I don't believe in your god I am less likely to get a full measure of liberty and justice.

    26. Re:Dup Fusion by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      The issue is pattern recognition in context. Computers haven't yet reached that level of sophistication.

      That's why they have huamn editors. Theoretically.

      And with the sheer number of posts occuring on /. every day I'm not surprised by duplication, even having been guilty of it once or twice.

      Bollocks. Yesterday, eg, there were 20 front page stories, another 12 in Games, 23 in other categories. That's not really hard to grasp. More to the point, if you just type the word "fusion" into the Slashdot search box you immediately find the first version. There is no excuse for someone who collects a salary as an editor to fuck up like this so regularly -- not just a bad day once a month, but almost every day. Not to mention all the spelling mistakes (the Slashcode system has a spellcheck built in, they seem to ignore it), and dead links, and even worse, the hoax stories that show the editors never read the linked articles beyond the opening paragraph.

      Where can I get a job like that -- I thought only GWB could screw up on a daily basis and still get paid.

    27. Re:Dup Fusion by danila · · Score: 2, Funny

      May be Slashdot editors hope that you place the stories close enough to each other, they would combine into a new, heavier story, releasing a lot of energy in the process? Yeah, that makes sense to me.

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    28. Re:Dup Fusion by pmazer · · Score: 1

      with liberty and justice FOR ALL

    29. Re:Dup Fusion by peacefinder · · Score: 1

      "I WANT MY 6 PAID VIEWS BACK!!!"

      It's not quite so serious as Logan's Run, but I guess it'll do.

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    30. Re:Dup Fusion by Tassach · · Score: 1
      You misunderstood my intent. I re-wrote it to make it clearer:

      Why do the folks who insist on keeping "God" in "one nation under God" want to get rid of "liberty and justice for all"?

      Better? Trust me, we're on the same side.

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  2. Fusion by wass · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just fuse the original story and this dupe into a heavier-Z nucleus story.

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  3. Great!! by salweem · · Score: 1

    I just hope it will work.

  4. Read much? by pat_trick · · Score: 1

    Big time dupe there.

  5. Not repeating yourself by therodent · · Score: 1

    Nuclear Fusion test reactor: 13.0billion $
    Not repeating yourself on /.: Priceless

    1. Re:Not repeating yourself by Armadni+General · · Score: 1, Funny

      A Slashdotted colon is what you get when you eat too much Mexican food and get diarrhea.

  6. Reeeeeeepost by neillt · · Score: 1

    Wow... this story was only posted about 2 hours ago. Slashdot reposting is reaching an all-time high in efficiency!

    1. Re:Reeeeeeepost by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 1
      At least they could have made us work for it. Dear God, both dups were on the same screen when I brought up 'ol /.

      (Must resist urge to tell French jokes...)

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  7. Stupid Title by N8F8 · · Score: 1

    What moron let this title slip by. Uhhhh, the sun? Numerous research reactors?

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    1. Re:Stupid Title by Stormwatch · · Score: 2, Informative

      World = planet Earth. The sun is a bit far from the world.

    2. Re:Stupid Title by Nasarius · · Score: 1

      As the GP said, there have been plenty of experimental fusion reactors built. Just none that have quite reached the break-even point.

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    3. Re:Stupid Title by Barbarian · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...hydrogen bombs?

    4. Re:Stupid Title by joe_bruin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      UCLA has a nuclear fusion reactor (taurus type) on the bottom floor of Boelter Hall, North-East corner. As the parent said, the title is idiotic, as is the body of the story, and the editor certainly is no genius.

    5. Re:Stupid Title by xSauronx · · Score: 1

      oh jesus, its only like...1 au, common.

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    6. Re:Stupid Title by xMilkmanDanx · · Score: 1

      Damnit, and I here I was going to say that the first fusion on earth was at the bikini island (now atol) IIRC. France is 50 years late!

    7. Re:Stupid Title by joe_bruin · · Score: 1

      It's in the shape of a bull? Wow, I'd like to see that!

      Thanks, AC. I meant torus (doughnut), not taurus (bull) shaped.

  8. looks familiar by allanw · · Score: 1

    Hmm, this story looks familiar.

  9. dupe dupe dupe, dupe of Earl Earl Earl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    ah, that same old song, except this time all on the same screen!

    1. Re:dupe dupe dupe, dupe of Earl Earl Earl by iibagod · · Score: 1

      If you're going to do it right, do it right.

      It's Dupe of URL.

      I mean, sometimes it's like you're not even trying.

  10. Fuse these duplicate stories! by vought · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Do the editors even check anymore?

  11. "Hardware", not "Science" by JanneM · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is sectioned "Hardware", not "Science", so perhaps this time around we could have an actual discussion on fusion technology and the planned plant, not devolve into a flamefest between idiots.

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    1. Re:"Hardware", not "Science" by ServeYourWorld · · Score: 1

      So dupes are good as long as they are catogrized inconsistently?

    2. Re:"Hardware", not "Science" by Krux · · Score: 1

      someone post the same article under linux, quick!

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    3. Re:"Hardware", not "Science" by ericdano · · Score: 1
      Isn't that why the Slash guys redid their code. To have stories with multiple topics and sections?

      Seems like it's working........NOT

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    4. Re:"Hardware", not "Science" by EvilMidnightBomber · · Score: 1

      "One of these days... milkshake...BOOM!!!!"

      Yeah, baby!

    5. Re:"Hardware", not "Science" by kfg · · Score: 1

      Up yer nose with a rubber hose, and someone change the combination on my luggage.

      KFG

    6. Re:"Hardware", not "Science" by Big+Nothing · · Score: 1

      "not devolve into a flamefest between idiots"

      Ummm... you're new here, aren't you?

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    7. Re:"Hardware", not "Science" by SamSim · · Score: 2, Funny
      not devolve into a flamefest between idiots

      You're new here, right?

    8. Re:"Hardware", not "Science" by Duhavid · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you would like to lead the way? :-)

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  12. Perhaps.. by helix400 · · Score: 1

    If only I had paid for a subscription to Slashdot. Then I could have seen the problem early and helped prevent Timothy from screwing up his job.

    1. Re:Perhaps.. by MonoNexo · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter. I emailed him before the story ran and it's still here. I don't understand the point of putting that link to email the editor on-duty, because no matter what, the changes suggested in the email are never done - whether it be spelling or dupe prevention.

    2. Re:Perhaps.. by tetrahedrassface · · Score: 1
      Itried,,, two emails. and it still posted..

      But this is indeed big news.. and is probably worth repeating.. D

  13. Cool, by hungrygrue · · Score: 4, Funny

    I didn't have time to read the article the first time it was posted today. Thanks for the helpful dupe!

    1. Re:Cool, by hungrygrue · · Score: 1

      And I guess I still won't read it, since the provided link requires registration. Oh well.

    2. Re:Cool, by interiot · · Score: 1

      Or when it was posted a week ago.

  14. dupes suck by Oceanplexian · · Score: 1

    1- bribe Slashdot editor to post dupe 2- re-post old comments 3- ???? 5- Profit!

  15. Hey editors by cy_a253 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can't you at least wait until the original article scrolls off the main page before you post the same article again...

    How hard is it to CHECK THE MAIN PAGE BEFORE YOU POST?!

    *bangs head on table*

    1. Re:Hey editors by hjo3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You know, other people have already made numerous comments to this effect. How hard is it for YOU to check the comments before YOU post?

      Yeah, no hypocrisy here...

    2. Re:Hey editors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You know, other people have already made numerous comments to this effect. How hard is it for YOU to check the comments before YOU post?

      Yeah, no hypocrisy here...

    3. Re:Hey editors by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

      How hard is it to CHECK THE MAIN PAGE BEFORE YOU POST?!

      We're talking about Timothy here...

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    4. Re:Hey editors by CmdrGravy · · Score: 1

      You know, other people have already made numerous comments to this effect. How hard is it for YOU to check the comments before YOU post?

      Yeah, no hypocrisy here . . .

    5. Re:Hey editors by Sique · · Score: 1

      You surely are hammering the point home :)

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    6. Re:Hey editors by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      This site would be nothing without the discussions that the articles generate. Anyone who posts comments (or submits articles) is making a material contribution to the site, regardless of whether they pay money or not.

      I think that gives us all the right to complain when we see things that we perceive to be problems.

      (I know, IHBT, IHL, IWHAND)

    7. Re:Hey editors by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      I mailed the editor on duty while it was still a subscribers-only page telling him it was a dup.

      Making a mistake or being lazy is one thing - but this is something else entirely.

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    8. Re:Hey editors by festers · · Score: 1

      Two things:

      1) It's not our website.

      2) We aren't being paid to post.

      When you find a way to change those thigs, then you'll be able to accurately compare posters to editors.

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    9. Re:Hey editors by chasingporsches · · Score: 1

      actually, his comment was one of two at mod 5 level right after it was posted. the first was the top post, then his was second. the others show up above his, because they are children of the top mod 5 post. maybe you should check times before you act condescending?

  16. Strong support from the Pacific for this one!! by plierhead · · Score: 3, Funny
    As an inhabitant of the Pacific, which France has defiled over many years with their constant testing of nuclear weapons, I strongly support France's desires to house a nuclear fusion reactor in their own country for once. It will certainly make a change from them blasting the hell out of, and irradiating, the unlucky natives living on atolls that fall under France's colonial umbrella.

    My only desire would be that the safety procedures at the new reactor are placed under the control of a third party - preferably a college frat house, its members well supplied with halucinogenic drugs, and who could control the reactor's safety computer systems (based on Windows ME) over the Internet from their own dormrooms via a non-secured link.

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    1. Re:Strong support from the Pacific for this one!! by lheal · · Score: 1
      As an inhabitant of the Pacific,

      Really? Do you live on a boat, or underwater?

      which France has defiled over many years with their constant testing of nuclear weapons, I strongly support France's desires to house a nuclear fusion reactor in their own country for once. It will certainly make a change from them blasting the hell out of, and irradiating, the unlucky natives living on atolls that fall under France's colonial umbrella.

      I'm pretty sure they weren't doing tests "constantly", they never blasted the hell out of any natives, and they've never had a fusion reactor there.

      My only desire would be that the safety procedures at the new reactor are placed under the control of a third party - preferably a college frat house, its members well supplied with halucinogenic drugs, and who could control the reactor's safety computer systems (based on Windows ME) over the Internet from their own dormrooms via a non-secured link.

      So you want a nuclear disaster to happen in France? Just because they blew up some uninhabited sandbars in the middle of the world's largest ocean? Nice.

      I think your priorities are a little mixed up.

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    2. Re:Strong support from the Pacific for this one!! by plierhead · · Score: 2, Interesting
      1) You apparently don't live around here or you would be aware that the Pacific refers to the entire region, not just to the ocean.

      2) It would appear you are unfamiliar with the facts. France has conducted many many tests in the islands over man years, as well as even planting a bomb on board a Greenpeace protest ship in Auckland harbour (a city of over a million and hardly an uninhabited sandbar) and killing a journalist who was on board ("Rainbow Warrior" ring any bells to you?)

      3) You fail to understand irony - clearly a nuclear disaster should not be wished on anyone. But the fact remains that to many of inhabitants of the Pacific the French are the devil's agents, and I will happily lump you in with the devil's tools too based on your support of them in defiance of the facts.

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    3. Re:Strong support from the Pacific for this one!! by SeventyBang · · Score: 1

      Nah. Let'er rip. If it gets out of hand, Spider-man can rescue everyone.

    4. Re:Strong support from the Pacific for this one!! by ross.w · · Score: 1

      He never said it was a nuke, just a bomb, and it spoke volumes about the attitude of the French that they could carry out a terrorist act in another country just to stop bad publicity. IIRC it was a photographer who died. Two French agents were caught and charged with murder. They eventually got sent back to France. Pity New Zealand stopped hanging people decades ago, they would have been deserving candidates.

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  17. Fuse them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Can it be used to fuse the two articles into one?

    They are getting nuclear fusion or a reactor that uses it? :)

  18. Yeah but... by itistoday · · Score: 1

    I bet that "Brad" character is one of the few thankful for lackluster /. editorialship.

  19. What a founder of the fusion program has to say... by Baldrson · · Score: 3, Informative
    You should probably read what a founder of the US fusion program has to say about the Tokamak technology upon which ITER is based:
    The DoE committment to very large fusion concepts (the giant magnetic tokamak) ensures only the need for very large budgets; and that is what the program has been about for the past 15 years - a defense-of-budget program - not a fusion-achievement program. As one of three people who created this program in the early 1970's (when I was an Asst. Dir. of the AEC's Controlled Thermonuclear Reaction Division) I know this to be true; we raised the budget in order to take 20% off the top of the larger funding, to try all of the hopeful new things that the mainline labs would not try.

    Each of us left soon thereafter, and the second generation management thought the big program was real; it was not. Ever since then, the ERDA/DoE has rolled Congress to increase and/or continue big-budget support. This worked so long as various Democratic Senators and Congressmen could see the funding as helpful in their districts. But fear of undermining their budget position also made DoE bureaucrats very autocratic and resistant to any kind of new approach, whether inside DoE or out in industry. This led DoE to fight industry wherever a non-DoE hopful new idea appeared.

  20. Correction by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 5, Funny
    The headline says France to Be Site of World's First Nuclear Fusion... but that is speculative.

    Since they already have EuroDisney, and this Fusion thingy might not pan out, the headline just as easily could have been:

    France to Be Site of World's Second Largest Boondogle

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  21. That was hours and hours ago. by lheal · · Score: 2, Funny

    Who can remember that long ago? I had to google it to verify that you were right. Luckily, it was still in Google's cache.

    I, for one, welcome duplicate stories.

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  22. MOD DOWN... repost/plagiarism by dfjghsk · · Score: 1

    mod down... was posted in the original discussion here by someone else

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  23. unlikely by toby · · Score: 1

    Having sent a few -- typos, "choose a different submitter, damn it, this one's a moron" etc -- I've seen no sign that the "editors" read e-mails sent to the Mysterious Future either.

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  24. Half Life by keytoe · · Score: 5, Funny

    Looks like the half-life of a slashdot story is about 7.5 hours...

  25. Let's sing! by Stormwatch · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is the news that doesn't end,
    yes it goes on and on my friend,
    some people started posting it not knowing it's a dupe,
    now they'll continue duping it forever just because...

    (repeat)

    1. Re:Let's sing! by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      the ugly truth is that
      the truth is ugly.

  26. Sheesh by WilyCoder · · Score: 1

    Gods, man! Its on the same friggin page not a third of the way down....

  27. Re: Plagiarized by Badassmofo · · Score: 1

    Very insightful.

    Do you always run around plagiarizing posts from dup'ed articles?

    Jackass.

  28. Geezzzz! by JohnnyBigodes · · Score: 4, Funny

    The French are going to have TWO nuclear fusion reactors. They are becoming a top world power! :D

    1. Re:Geezzzz! by imr · · Score: 1

      No, the first story said where the reactor would be build and this one where the fusion would take place.
      Those are not dupe article!

  29. Re:A little bit disappointed, but there's an upsid by drgonzo59 · · Score: 1

    This shows how irrational and stupid thinking can win against common sense even on large scales, such as national policy. What about US -- they have not built too many reactors since the mid 80s. Chernobyl scare combined with leftover fear of the cold war nuclear appocalipse didn't help, but one would think people who make such decisions will act rationally.

  30. Yay! Now we can have 3-eyed frogs... by victorhooi · · Score: 1
    Lol....well, at least somebody is going to be happy *rolls eyes*....

    Seriously though, who on earth is bankrolling this little anyway? It'd be really cool if they could hit the break-even point...then I could get one of these to power my flashy new twin-GF7800s...but we're looking at a 10-year time schedule here.

    Is there actually going to be enough dosh within Europe to keep this project going in 10 years time? Who's to say Europe won't become some economic backwater in a decade or so? No offence, but at the rate they're going, countries like China and India (well, if they get over the endemic corruption, and manage to attract more FI) are looking to overtake them in less time that that, and in the meantime the US is chugging along quite happily, with 30% of the world's economy in the palm of its hands, and racking up the foreing debt bonus points....

    cya, Victor

  31. Oh boy. by windwaker · · Score: 1

    It will be a sad day when they say goodbye to the hamster.

  32. Calamité Génétique Fantastique! by LrdZombie · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    I for one am in favor of fusing the French. The only question is what to fuse them with? Maybe an octopus. I don't know what you'd get, but it'd sure throw up a lot of arms when it surrendered!

  33. Conflict of interests... by InvalidError · · Score: 1, Interesting

    On one hand, people start talking about ways of preventing solar heat from reaching Earth to reduce global warming, on the other hand, people are getting ready to create power plants that will eventually generate gigawatts.

    Well, fusion plants are necessary to replace coal/diesel/fission plants but global warming initiatives should simply focus on making everything more power-efficient and low-emission instead of coming up with inconvenient/impossible ideas. (Some european minister said he was shocked at how much power standby electronics use and suggested that people should not leave TVs&all plugged in when not in use... but how many people would unplug their VCR/TV/PC/etc. to save 5-20W per appliance given the inconveniences?)

  34. Scroll down by bindster · · Score: 1

    How hard is it to scroll down a couple clicks and see the same story before posting? With a more accurate headline to boot. (the world's first nuclear fusion has already occured, God knows where)

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  35. Slashdot editors to receive by Chiisu · · Score: 1

    world's first pair of computer glasses

  36. duped again by ONOIML8 · · Score: 1

    Please see my other posts in this thread.

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  37. If I were more clever by Forager · · Score: 1

    If I was feeling clever, I'd go back through the post earlier today and repost some of the things that got +5s, just for the extra karma.

    But I'm feeling lazy.

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  38. Nuclear fusion has already happened. by Devil's+BSD · · Score: 1

    The only thing that's different between the original post and this dupe is that this one's headline isn't completely accurate - fusion has already happened with the detonation of the H-bomb in... whenever it was.

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    1. Re:Nuclear fusion has already happened. by Lisandro · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Fusors are a common source of neutrons; specially seemingly simple arrangements like the Farnsworth fusor (that's right, the same guy who invented TV). The hard thing about fusion is getting excess energy from it.

    2. Re:Nuclear fusion has already happened. by ross.w · · Score: 1

      Yes, but this time the French are doing it in their own country, not on the other side of the world - now that it doesn't doesn't explode and all....

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    3. Re:Nuclear fusion has already happened. by rollingrock · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the fact there have been many other fusion reactors built in the past which in fact did produce fusion (TFTR and NSCX at Princeton Plasma Physics Lab for example)

    4. Re:Nuclear fusion has already happened. by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Theres no way this is the 'first' fusion reactor - we already have one here in the UK, and its called the Joint European Torus and it has sustained the longest artificial controlled fusion reaction in the world.

    5. Re:Nuclear fusion has already happened. by suitepotato · · Score: 1

      Modern nuclear weapons do it in vacuum tubes to generate neutrons during detonation to speed up fissile core decay and increase energy output, make it happen quicker and hotter. Of course, better not leave them where an audiophile can accidentally grab it...

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  39. I Love Massive-scale science by distantbody · · Score: 1

    The construction of ITER should (hopefully) see the construction of the worlds first energy positive fusion reactor (ie it produces more energy than it uses). however the question is wether the amount of energy produced can power an entire city or if it can barely power a 12W light globe. Hopefully there will be enough research dollars in the future to answer that question.

  40. duped again! by ONOIML8 · · Score: 1

    Please see my other posts in this thread!

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  41. I wanna see a dupe by xenoandroid · · Score: 1

    I wanna see a dupe where both articles are posted by the same editor next.

  42. Wait a sec... by Ambiguous+Coward · · Score: 1

    Hold up, now. I was reading slashdot earlier, and I'm pretty sure that this article's headline should actually read:

    "France to be site of world's *second* nuclear fusion"

    That should clear things up for anyone who's confused. :)

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  43. duped again? by ONOIML8 · · Score: 1

    Please see my other posts in this thread?

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  44. dear lord by Amouth · · Score: 1

    duped and the dup is still on the front page.. i don't think it has been this bad in the past only 8 between them.. this is jsut sad

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  45. Wait, people... by Colz+Grigor · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Wait a second, folks... this isn't a duplicate story! Don't you see? The first one was posted under the Science category, and this article is about Hardware.

    All joking aside, wouldn't it be nice if SlashDot's main page worked just like the moderation system? Every submitted story would start with a value of 1 and each moderator could push a story up or down one point. Of course, it all comes together when each user sets their own threshhold for front page stories...

    I'm guessing this feature has already been suggested for SlashCode implementation. Maybe I should go check...

    ::Colz Grigor

  46. Dupes by bl00d6789 · · Score: 1

    Let's duplicate our complaints about the duplicate post! "Same comment, twice on the same page!"

  47. editors by Stelminator · · Score: 1

    I can only guess that since there isn't a new story every 5 seconds, someone has to approve stories posted.

    so, wouldn't someone think to themselves "hey, this isn't news, this is history, we already saw this..."

    oh...nevermind.

  48. When did Greenpeace become anti-energy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    From TFA:

    Greenpeace, for one, stated that "at a time when it is universally recognized that we must reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 2050, Greenpeace considers it ridiculous to use resources and billions of euros on this project."

    I swear, I think Greenpeace is more concerned about making sure nobody builds any new powerplants than they are about protecting the environment.

    They are against new coal plants with modern scrubber technology, they are against fission plants, now they are against this expiremental fusion plant. Do they realize that humanity needs energy to live and thrive? Do they realize that by not building new more efficient powerplants they are forcing people to rely on older, more polluting powerplants more heavily?

    It seems counterintuitive to me, it's like they would rather stick their thumb in the eye of corporations than actually help the environment.

    1. Re:When did Greenpeace become anti-energy by bigberk · · Score: 1

      There is a problem with coming up with amazing new ways to power our economies. We do not have a shortage of fuel (the sun provides everything we need one way or another). The problem is that the environment has limited resources and can assimilate limited waste before ecosystems become overwhelmed. By providing sources of new, unlimited energy you are speeding up resource consumption and pollution, and slowly killing the natural systems we need to survive.

      I really think hunting for new and amazing energy sources is the wrong way to approach environmental problems. We should prioritize waste reduction and resource efficiency, so that we can do more with less.

    2. Re:When did Greenpeace become anti-energy by flandar · · Score: 1

      All though, we could use the unlimited power to solve our polution problem. You know, like by collecting the problem gasses and venting them into space. Or by collecting them into a black rock we could call "new-coal".

      Power give us options. Power from rocks is a power source not from the sun (directly but from super nova billions of years ago). More available energy, gives us more options and would be better.

    3. Re:When did Greenpeace become anti-energy by Anonymous+MadCoe · · Score: 1

      Then one could argue that the biggest issue for them would actually be population, if the human population on this planet stops growing or even gets smaller the root of this problem will go away (need for more energy). They should start a big campaign for birth-control all over the world and tackle the root of the problem.

    4. Re:When did Greenpeace become anti-energy by CmdrGravy · · Score: 1

      Hmm yes, like all those other stupid inventions which have totally ruined our idyllic cavemen lives !

    5. Re:When did Greenpeace become anti-energy by lxs · · Score: 1

      I really think hunting for new and amazing energy sources is the wrong way to approach environmental problems. We should prioritize waste reduction and resource efficiency, so that we can do more with less.

      Why not do both? In the long run we need something to completely replace both fossil fuel and fission reactors, but in the short run, 'doing more with less' as Bucky used to say, will keep us alive until we have unlimited energy. There is no fundamental link between use of resources and pollution. It's just the way we do things now that is the problem.

    6. Re:When did Greenpeace become anti-energy by Artifakt · · Score: 1

      "They should start a big campaign for birth-control all over the world and tackle the root of the problem."

      "They" did - the last I looked, the overlap between large (500$ and up) contributers to Greenpeace and to Planned Parenthood was over 75%. Other numbers are at least roughly similar.
      Rephrasing "they" as Nadar voters instead of Greenpeace supporters gives even higher correlations. The chance that a Nadar supporter that donates to anything at all will donate to at least one of three organizations on a multi-year basis is over 95%: (Greenpeace, Sierra Club, and Planned Parenthood). The chance for at least 2 out of 3 is over 85%.

      I'm not entirely sure I disagree with them. People who advocate "natural" methods of population limitation tend to ignore that nature's prefrred methods seem to be war, famine, pestilence, and death. It's actually worse than your arguement directly implies, as if population becomes stable, energy demand will continue to increase, as most of the existing population will still want to move up to home ownership, blue jeans for the kids, cable TV, clean drinking water, SUVs, and sewage treatment lifestyles.

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    7. Re:When did Greenpeace become anti-energy by bigberk · · Score: 1
      There is no fundamental link between use of resources and pollution
      In America we have a profit oriented approach to resources rather than an existence/survival based approach. Business depletes natural resources in the long term for short term gain. Profit is measured quarterly, there is no provision for 100 year+ survival.
    8. Re:When did Greenpeace become anti-energy by Anonymous+MadCoe · · Score: 1

      I did not know these figures, good call.

  49. Re:What a founder of the fusion program has to say by Usquebaugh · · Score: 1

    Classic, could be re-phrased as :-

    Myself and two other cohorts dreamed up this scheme to enable us to retire early. We dreamt up this project that needed huge sums of cash. We then siphoned 20% off the top straight ionto our own projects, known as wine, women and song.

    Of course it was only a matter of time before we were caught and had to retire leaving a new line of porkers at the trough. But those incompentent fools only took 5% and spent the remaining on projects.

    This retirment swindle has gone on for years and now everybody aspires to this rather than finding fusion.

  50. Quick Post it again! by tekrat · · Score: 1

    And we can see the same story THREE times on the main page!!! That would be a historic first!

    Come on slashdotters, let's make it happen!!!

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  51. The Very Fabric of Space Time... Warped? by everphilski · · Score: 1

    .... Have scientist meddling in nuclear fusion caused a rip in the very fabric of space time? I could have sworn reading this article a mere 7 hours ago here on /. ...
    -everphilski-

  52. Re:Hrm... by sjbcfh · · Score: 1

    So how bad would it be to just repost all the same comments in this story?

    Well, it's not like the editors are going to check up on you.

  53. Get a grip. by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 1

    Friend, it's bitter grapes ramblings from a has-been on a GeoCities web site, for Christ's sake. Get a grip.

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  54. Re:Dup by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1

    Nope, they've done that before. I remember one that had one story between them.

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  55. France by TKDWILSON · · Score: 1

    Wow. If there is some huge screwup France could be gone. (I know fusion technology should be completely safe if it existed.) That would be so sad wouldn't it? :-) Eric Wilson

  56. It's groundhog's day... by Lothsahn · · Score: 1

    Dang, I read this and I thought, for some weird reason, I had just become trapped in the movie "Groundhog's Day".

    Scary.

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  57. why why why NYT? by 1nv4d3r · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A quick trip to google news will show you 307 other sources of this story, which don't require registration. It seems to me like slashdot should never have to link to NYT from the main page.

    I can understand if my suggestion is not taken seriously. I only hope it doesn't lead to 307 more dupes.

  58. Same story, no registration by Aeron65432 · · Score: 1
    Here's the story on CNN, no registration required.

    French location chosen for fusion reactor.

  59. Slashdot Dupe History by Hack+Jandy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hmm... 3 times have been done before, but never on the FP I think.

    http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=151936&c id=12747639
    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144601&cid=121 15432
    http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=150292&c id=12603539

    Of course there was the April Fools Trupe of yore:
    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=59193&threshol d=1&commentsort=0&tid=95&tid=172&mode=thread&cid=5 638044

    And then there are the many dupes by the same "Editor" (Usually Zonk):
    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144599&cid=121 13809

    Ah yes, and then there was the dupe that occured less than an hour after the original. There has been some debate as to whether that was even a dupe or just a Slashvertisement, but for our purposes today we will just call it a dupe:
    http://www.andrerestivo.com/weblog/archives/slashd otdupe.html

    All of this has been documented for your protection here:
    http://anti-slash.org/injustices/CmdrTaco/double_d upe/

    HJ

    1. Re:Slashdot Dupe History by haggar · · Score: 1

      There was the story about Google releasing their APIs. That was triple-duped, and the best thing is, two of the dupes were from the same author (CmdrTaco).

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  60. Don't get too close.... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    or else you might get French Fried, or do we call it Freedom Fried now?

  61. Introductions by schmobag · · Score: 1

    timothy, meet Zonk. He works at Slashdot too. Like you, he's interested in France's fusion reactor. In fact, he posted a story about it seven hours before you did.

  62. Ob Holy grail by ross.w · · Score: 1

    Now go away or I shall dupe you a second time.

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  63. so what, its a dupe by lucas+teh+geek · · Score: 1

    I cant believe so many moderators are wasting points modding up dupe related comments that have been said a thousand times before. let the dupe die and move on already

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  64. Amazon? by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 3, Funny
    I'm guessing this feature has already been suggested for SlashCode implementation. Maybe I should go check...

    I believe Amazon has already patented this idea, maybe you should send them a check for disclosing proprietary information.

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  65. WOW... AMAZING by sokoban · · Score: 1

    I can almost see both dupes on my front page at once.

    Come on, That's less than 12 hours between dupe posts.

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  66. No... by SeaFox · · Score: 1

    Think of it as a chance for "do-over" the comment you thought you'd score high mod points earlier...

    Well, but now all comments will be redundant since we posted them already!

  67. Re:I'll wait until it shows up again by Psykechan · · Score: 3, Funny

    When it is duped next time it better be in the "Games" section. I want to play a nice game of Sim Fusion Power Plant.

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  68. Poor Timothy by illumnatLA · · Score: 1

    Timothy sure seems to have a recurring history of duping posts. He really needs to change his nom-de-plume to "The Duplicator."

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  69. Unfortunate Timothy by illumnatLA · · Score: 3, Funny

    It sure seems that Timothy dupes posts on a recurring basis. "The Duplicator" should be his pen name.


    Oh... wait... didn't someone post something about this already??? Silly me.

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  70. In other news by Teknikill · · Score: 1

    Slashdot to be site of many more dups

    I am not a num^Wscript.

  71. Shari Lewis was brilliant. by GPS+Pilot · · Score: 1

    "Lamb Chop's Play-Along" was children's programming at its finest -- engaging young minds with wit, instead of talking down to them like that GODDAMN EVIL PURPLE DINOSAUR.

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  72. hilarious. by TheLittleJetson · · Score: 1
  73. Re:What a founder of the fusion program has to say by Goldsmith · · Score: 2, Informative

    Tokamak technology goes back around 60 years, not 30. It was invented in the 1940s. There is a replica of the original Tokamak style reactor in a small museum at General Atomics in San Diego.

    General Atomics, by the way, is in a very Republican area. GA has one of the biggest fusion programs around, AND is part of the established energy industry. They do have a gigantic magnetic fusion reactor there, but also a number of groups working on alternative fusion technologies.

  74. It'll hardly be "the world's first fusion reactor" by GPS+Pilot · · Score: 1


    Here's a list of other fusion reactors that came before ITER: http://www.grandunification.com/hypertext/Fusion_R eactors.html

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  75. Wait a moment... by MattWhitworth · · Score: 1

    We haven't actually achieved nuclear fusion yet? Sonoluminescence fusion appeared to be a failure when independently tested, and cold fusion was a resounding failure. Or is there some new method of nuclear fusion that I haven't yet heard about?

  76. Notice... by Michael_Munks · · Score: 1

    That it is France who chooses to spend 12 billion, taking a risk, to make the world better. A little hypocritical? Or perhaps there will be an international backlash where America and France II constantly bitches and wines about their moral superiority and France I's inevitable failure.

    1. Re:Notice... by vidarh · · Score: 1

      This is jointly funded by a consortium that includes United States, Russia, China, Japan, South Korea and the European Union, so it's hardly a matter of France spending 12 billion and taking a risk, but France winning a bid to get substantial benefits (as presumably having the site of the reactor means a larger amount of the investment will be spent in France).

  77. Re:I'll wait until it shows up again by FidelCatsro · · Score: 1

    See this is like sim city , in sim city 2000 the fusion power plant was kind of cool , but in sim city 3000 the plant looked much better .
    You see this is why its not a dupe it's a sequel , the hardware section looks much better than the science section , though both have pretty much the same features

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  78. /obvious by benjamindees · · Score: 1

    To the local politicians...

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  79. Usually Zonk??? by nokilli · · Score: 1

    Oh, c'mon! It's almost always timothy!

    It's like OSTG has a program to employ all of the kids from the short bus, and somehow timothy got the gig as editor.

    Of that group, he's probably the best at this. So we should show our support. It isn't easy being intellectually-challenged.

    But at the same time, we shouldn't be blaming others.

    Let's accept the fact that, at least on /., diversity means we get several dupes a day, and leave it at that.

    1. Re:Usually Zonk??? by haggar · · Score: 1

      I said nothing about Zonk?!

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  80. It is not the first by littleghoti · · Score: 1

    JET http://www.jet.efda.org/ has been doing fusion for quite a while.

    1. Re:It is not the first by Use+Psychology · · Score: 1

      JET is an experimental torus -- ITER will aim to be closer to a commercial reactor...

  81. Closer, but still nowhere near by littleghoti · · Score: 1

    From the article: Still, few scientists expect a fusion reactor to generate commercially viable electricity before the middle of the century, if by then.

    1. Re:Closer, but still nowhere near by ndg123 · · Score: 1

      ha a bit like the existing nuclear industry then.

      i'm talking total lifetime cost....

  82. To /. editors... by Gollum2001 · · Score: 1

    I can see the original post and the dupe in the front page at the same time!!! Woaaa! This time you really have raised the bar for future dupes!

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  83. Re:What a founder of the fusion program has to say by TorKlingberg · · Score: 1

    I tried to find more about this, but all I find is a lot of trolling on all kinds of web pages.

    I will have to side with the people at Wikipedia. I'd like more proof than a Geocites page by an internet troll.

  84. Some more informations by Alarash · · Score: 1
    For the french to "win", they had to give out a few things. Most of the countries, for the last few monthes, agreed that France was better suited for this facility because of their great knowledge of nuclear (France was one of the first countries to develop both civil and military nuclear facilities). Also, because of Japan's very active sismic activity, that could have been a problem (we don't want to see a 12 billion dollars facility to be destroyed because of a earthquake, do we ?).

    Also, in order to have the Japanese agree to let the project happen in France, they required that the director of the facility was a Japanese. Also keep in mind that EU and France will have to pay 40% of the bill, while the remaining countries will "only" have to pay 10% each.

    500 scientists will be working there, half of them being not french. An estimated 3000-4000 other jobs will be created in the region.

    The facility itself will cost 12$ billions, but another 8 or 10$ billions will have to be spent within the 10 years following the creation. Specialists estimate that the first results in industry will be seen in about 40 or 50 years. Overall, I'd say it's a pretty good deal for the France (because of the jobs created and the "proudness" of having the largest fusion reactor in the world), but since all the other countries will, of course, profit of the research there, it's not that much of an advantage.

  85. Trinity? first unity reaction is meant i think... by Triffid_Hunter · · Score: 1

    unfortunately the first fusion reaction was the trinity test, or possibly beforehand, and further fusion reactions have been happening in experimenter's basements since the 60s with the Farnsworth Fusor, among many other efforts.

    Perhaps what the submitter meant was "hopefully first greater than unity reaction"...

  86. Re:NOT THE FRENCH!!!!! by Vinz · · Score: 1

    And you also forgot we already know how to make an H-Bomb. That would be no use.

    Want another piece of H-cake ?

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  87. Nuclear reactors are like busses... by minator · · Score: 1

    They spend months arguing to get one then 2 turn up at once!

  88. Transcript from the IAEA Archives by williamhooligan · · Score: 1
    Director: Fusion? Do we even know how to do that properly yet?

    Chief Scientist: Nope.

    Director: Hmm. So there's a significant chance that this could go 'boom'?

    Chief Scientist: Quite spectacularly.

    Director: Okay. Let's put it in France. We'll tell them they won a competition or something...

  89. Re:NOT THE FRENCH!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    >not the French! These are the folks who
    >built a nuke-capable reactor for Saddam
    >that the Israeli Air Force had to bomb

    In fact the very same France in 1959 sold the entire Dimona nuclear reactor to the zionists. The greater israel jewish hawks continue to use it to build circa 400 A- and H-bombs. With these bomb cache the zionist entity terrorizes the entire middle east and the 900 million muslim people worldwide and opresses the palestinian nation, robbing it of its motherland.

    One can only hope that the Dimona reactor will also be bombed one day and peace martyr Mordechai Vanunu will get the Nobel Peace prize he deserves.

    It is so disgusting when USA threatens Iran and North Korea over few if any nuclear weapons but turns the blind eye to zionist Israel and its posession of 400 nuclar bombs. Double standards in their most shameful form.

  90. Re:Correction by Thomas+Miconi · · Score: 1

    Since they already have EuroDisney, and this Fusion thingy might not pan out, the headline just as easily could have been: France to Be Site of World's Second Largest Boondogle

    No way ! Not even close ! Everybody knows that the single largest boondogle in human history is Eurotunnel !

    Oh wait......

    Thomas-
    (Disclaimer: Yes, I'm French)

  91. Re:NIMBY - Not In My Back Yard by fluffy666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Tell me, did you ever work out what that grey stuff between your ears was for?

    FUSION IS NOT FISSION. A FUSION REACTOR CANNOT GO BOOM EVEN IN THEORY.

  92. Re:Dup Fusion and rejected submission by Mictian · · Score: 4, Informative


    While crying and moaning about dupes and rejected submissions isn't exactly constructive criticism, I have to voice my disappointment with the Slashdot editors, especially Timothy, on this one.

    I feel particularly annoyed about this news bit. Why is that? Well, I happened to submit this story early tuesday morning (about 10 am GMT / 6 am EST) and it got rejected. It happens and as such is not a big deal. But the following is imho rather embarrassing.

    Not only was this news piece accepted and posted on Slashdot later as someone elses submission, it was actually accepted & posted twice (becoming yet another infamous Slashdot dupe). And in this case the poster of the dupe was no other than Timothy, who rejected my submission.

    It seems he initially didn't think this particular news was important and rejected my submission. I knew it was an important bit of news to anyone who follows physics and nuclear stuff, a category which many slashdotters fall into. Potentially and on the long run this could be important news to everyone on the planet who uses electricity.

    Anyway, the next day Timothy seems to have decided that a less comprehensive and informative submission on the same subject is worth posting, and as icing on the cake, he does it without even bothering to check the site's own news from yesterday (the already posted story was actually still on the frontpage!) thus creating a dupe story.

    Only on Slashdot do you find editors who don't even read their own site's frontpage when posting a news story (to avoid dupes), nor remember that they rejected the very same story yesterday. We're all human and mistakes happen. And I'm sure the editors get swamped by a huge number of submissions, which probably aren't exactly a joy to wade through trying to pick the worthy ones.

    However, these sort of things seem to happen a bit more often than they could or should. Perhaps the editors could put a little more time and effort into the process, since many of the previous, similar mistakes seem rather easily avoided (at least to a /. reader like myself).

    Ps. Here's my original Slashdot submission about this story just for reference (with a forgotten BBC link added):

    After 18 months of wrangling over the construction site of the ITER (International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor) the participants (China, EU, Japan, Russia, South Korea and USA) finally agreed upon Cadarache in France over Rokkasho-Mura in Japan. Japan withdrew its bid after getting a concessions package deal. The 10 billion ($12bn) project will be the 2nd most expensive joint scientific project after the ISS and hopefully a gateway to a commercial fusion reactor prototype. Construction should begin this year and be completed in 2015.

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  93. One problem: it's not the first! by putigger · · Score: 1

    There have been dozens of fusion reactors, if not more over the last few decades, some of them in operation now. The NYT has posted an expanded article that corrects the gaffe. Some names you can google for more info: TFTR NSTX JET C-Mod DIII-D

  94. Re:Oh, Dear. by DrSkwid · · Score: 1

    Would that be Citreon, World Rally Champions ?

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  95. Re:What a founder of the fusion program has to say by SubtleNuance · · Score: 1

    Yes, because as we all know, "various Democratic Senators and Congressmen could" have a large say in Japan, Britain, Canada, France (et al).

    Nice try at "big spending liberals are just wasting $ *again*" spin.

  96. Re:NIMBY - Not In My Back Yard by zmollusc · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    I would have thought that the temperatures and pressures in a fusion reactor could make quite a boom under the right(wrong) circumstances. That aside, like many other UK serfs, I am totally ok with ANY explosion that hits france earlier and harder than us. A meteor that vaporises france a few milliseconds before us would be a 'win'.

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  97. Carl, is that you? by mceister · · Score: 1

    Who would have thought Carl Rove posts on Slashdot and with such a low user ID?

    1. Re:Carl, is that you? by randall_burns · · Score: 1

      Read the letter. The GOP congressment chose to ignore Bussard-they'd rather spend _trillions_ protecting Middle Eastern oil supplies(from which they get a cut). Democrats would rather fail that use market incentives. The real looser here: the American people.

  98. Obligatory F1/USGP Rant by tbone1 · · Score: 1
    Well, I just hope Michelin doesn't help build the reactor; otherwise it will fall apart whenever a particle reaches 200MPH.

    (Sorry, still bitter about that "race".)

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  99. Re:Oh, Dear. by DrSkwid · · Score: 1

    hmm, I guess a penance for not spelling it Citroën is in order

    ok here's a picture

    and Citroën Sport's homepage

    Driver / Champions Elect 2005
    Driver / Constructors Champions 2004
    Constructors Champions 2003

    PSA who own Citroën & Peugeot have won the constructors championship every year this century

    So yes, let's hope it is better than the current crop of French engineering !!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Rally_Champions hip

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  100. Re:NIMBY - Not In My Back Yard by BenjyD · · Score: 1

    Fusion reactors may be at high pressure+temp, but IIRC, there's not actually much material inside them to go boom. It's not like a fission reactor where the core contains large amounts of radioactive material.

  101. Re:The New Fucked Company by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    And do YOU actually go to Technocrat?

    A couple thousand people have actually registered, but few actually engage in discussions.

    That's good if they don't have anything to say, but a little participation would help alleviate the 'Zogger's Blog' feel.

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  102. Different fusion by mnemonic_ · · Score: 1

    This time, we're talking about dropping the bomb. About time I say.

  103. Is it just me? by Syberghost · · Score: 1

    Is it just me, or is anybody else concerned about the fact that France is simultaneously trying to all but outlaw Islam, and building a fusion reactor?

  104. Re:What a founder of the fusion program has to say by krysith · · Score: 1

    We missed you in the original thread, Jim.

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  106. Re:Dup Fusion and rejected submission by k96822 · · Score: 1

    I understand your frustration, but I'm going to bet the article was rejected simply because somebody posted it even earlier than you. I get rejected a lot for that reason. I don't think it's personal -- it's just that, with so many people, it's likely that someone already beat us to the punch.

    What would help is if there was some sort of feedback as to why it was rejected. But, I'm sure this horse has been beaten, resurrected, and beaten again.

    There is a law with communciation: no communication is always seen as negative. I'm betting it isn't negative, although it seems that way.

  107. Doop by ctonchev · · Score: 1

    Scooby dooby dupe. It's still on the screen. It seems the editors are just bored.

  108. You're doing it all wrong... by crimson30 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yours didn't have a NY Times link. And yours wasn't at all misleading and sensationalist, either. To spice things up, maybe add a condescending sentence at the end, like so:

    The world's first fusion reactor is soon to be completed in France. Nuclear Fusion is what powers the sun and hydrogen bombs. w00t!

    And last, but not least, submit it under the wrong category, like say, Star Wars.

  109. Ya I saw how this worked out... by cryogenix · · Score: 1

    Hopefully France will have better luck than Otto Octavious did :)

  110. Re:What a founder of the fusion program has to say by randall_burns · · Score: 1

    There is _no_ evidence that Bussard _ever_ tried to use this for anything not related to making Fusion happen.

  111. Scoop by waynegoode · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is called Scoop and you can see it at (among other places) SciScoop.com. Everyone gets to vote on stories, not just the moderators. I post several articles a week myself.

  112. Re:What a founder of the fusion program has to say by rhaig · · Score: 1

    isn't this like Scientology?

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  113. Re:Dup Fusion and rejected submission by Aggrazel · · Score: 1

    I used to submit what I considered useful stuff all the time that got rejected. I never took it personally but I eventually got tired of typing up a good story only to see it hit the reject pile, so I stopped submitting anything. I guess that helps what they consider to be a signal to noise ratio, but I have to wonder how many good writeups were rejected so they could post dups, or advertise for companies as "news".

    I guess what I'm saying is you are not alone, and the only thing you can really do about it is start your own site if you're so inclined, or put up with the BS here.

  114. Greenpeace! by hypnosoh · · Score: 1

    I read and article about this that says Greenpeace is apposed to the project. They have really lost there way. All they have to do is hear the word nuclear and there opposed to it. Don't they realize that a key element of any environmental plan is to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels. Ask the Greenpeace people if they are willing to live with candles for lighting or walk to work. They such a bunch of hypocrites.

  115. It's worse... by Baldrson · · Score: 1
    Scientology, despite the worst fantasies of its detractors, cannot be blamed for possibly delaying progress in energy technology to the point where energy shortages may spark WW III.

    Also, none of the founders of Scientology had the decency to come out later and try to stop it.

    1. Re:It's worse... by rhaig · · Score: 1

      true, and this wasn't done on a bet.

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  116. Don't forget... by aug24 · · Score: 1

    ...to mention that Nuclear Reactors may be an exciting new market for Linux to get into as Windows is rubbish.

    Justin.

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  117. Re:NIMBY - Not In My Back Yard by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    FUSION IS NOT FISSION. A FUSION REACTOR CANNOT GO BOOM EVEN IN THEORY.

    Very good point.

    I should point out, based on research I did for a TV show on alternative energy back in British Columbia, that the actual shell does become radioactive and has to be disposed of, and some of the particles/waves will create radioactive emissions - but in very low quantities, similar to those found in the process of mining, extracting, processing, and using coal.

    Compared to fission, it's incredibly less radioactive in terms of wastes - and near impact.

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  118. Re:What a founder of the fusion program has to say by Baldrson · · Score: 1

    During the time I worked on this legislation with Bussard he did tell me about some of Inesco's luxurious accommodations provided by Bob Guccione's support of that fusion company. But that was privately funded and more attributable to Guccione's style than any supposed addiction to luxury suffered by Bussard. Perhaps some folks heard about some of this and mistook it for behavior during the government program.

  119. Cut /. Editors Some Slack by Phoenix666 · · Score: 1

    Y'know, keeping the English-speaking tech geeks of the world amused/informed all day long is a big job, and the people making it happen behind the scenes are human. I can imagine the nightshift guy, bleary-eyed, handing off the baton to the early shift guy, bleary-eyed, both in need of more caffeine or sleep. They all work really hard to serve us, most of whom don't pay to read this content.

    Once in a while, they slip up. The other 364 days of the year, their work is seamless. So instead of giving them a hard time for the once in a blue moon that they make a mistake or dupe an article, why don't we try, for once, to congratulate them for the excellent work they do, and try to be understanding when the human factor kicks in once in a while.

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  120. Re:What a founder of the fusion program has to say by Baldrson · · Score: 1
    For those who don't know what the anonymous "TorKlingberg" is referring to:

    Two of the three founders of the Tokamak program have come out against the Tokamak and one of the founders circulated a letter to all of the plasma physics labs as well as to the relevant Congressmen, stating categorically that the Tokamak program was never real -- it was just a vehicle for raising funding so that other more hopeful ideas could be tried.

    I scanned the original letter and presented a link to it as an aspect of the fusion power article. This is primary source material -- not original research -- from one of the foremost authorities, indeed one of the fathers of the US fusion energy program. The nothing-better-to-do-with-their-times censored it and quite honestly I just don't have the time, energy or patience to bother with a reversion war with the anonymous bottom feeders.

  121. Mod that up, the parent is a troll's stepchild by ianscot · · Score: 1
    Nice try at "big spending liberals are just wasting $ *again*" spin.

    You knew it'd be coming, though, didn't you? I mean, "France" did appear in the original story.

    Anyone who claims one party or the other has a monopoly on pork barrel spending loses all credibility, period. (The world ain't black and white, but all they've got is rods to see it by.)

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  122. I'm still waiting by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

    I'm still waiting for the promised "creatures of great size" that we were promised from fission power! Where's the dinosaurs? The giant ants? The huge scorpions? The 60' lady? The radioactive spiders that will give us super powers?

    They need to drop fusion until they can give us what we were promised!! Vote NO to fusion until we are all glowing green, at the least!!! No more night lights for me!!!!!!!

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  123. Re:NIMBY - Not In My Back Yard by PingPongBoy · · Score: 1

    A fusion reactor cannot go boom

    I suppose. Boom doesn't begin to describe a nova.

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  124. Le puff, Le pant, Le BOOM! by frankenbox · · Score: 1

    C'mon, this from the nice people who brought us Le Car? So it does work, then the Germans will march in and take it....

  125. Re:NOT THE FRENCH!!!!! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

    I wish I kew who you were, to "friend" you.

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