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Google Offers Hybrid Satellite and Map View

That's Unpossible! writes "Google Maps now offers a hybrid view which combines their map view with their satellite view. The Google blog has a notice on the update. It appears to use 8-bit alpha transparent PNGs to make it work."

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  1. I wonder ... by poopooboi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... how large is the intersection of code between Google Maps and Google Earth?

    1. Re:I wonder ... by dariuscardren · · Score: 4, Funny

      Earthsized?

    2. Re:I wonder ... by p3d0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not so great in some parts of Toronto.

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    3. Re:I wonder ... by goneutt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't get it? Is the gag the the don mills centre is nowehere in the scope? Might work better if you use center rather than centre, pulls up a don mills center at the intersection of Lawrence ave and Don mills road.

      Having never been to Toronto I don't know if this is the right location, but if google has it as center then they'll get mussed if you use centre.

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  2. Nice by Jeet81 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Saw that this afternoon as I was pulling out directions. More interestingly they even have arrows pointing traffic flow which I don't think they had earlier.

    1. Re:Nice by bladx · · Score: 3, Informative

      They've had arrows pointing out traffic flow for a while now... as far as I know. (Because I used it a while ago to see traffic flow for a certain city...)

    2. Re:Nice by fimbulvetr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Interestingly, if you read the story about the dude getting a taffic ticket, he said they inferred the "two way" streets because the one ways were clearly marked.
      It's the same way here. I'm so glad they have the hybrid mode, the sat./map worked well before for navigating, but I think this will take the cake.

      I wonder if there are any streets incorrectly labled as one way, and how often the map (not sat.) portion gets update to reflect these changes. It doesn't really matter too much, although I hope changing a two way into a one way is pretty rare.

    3. Re:Nice by turkeywrap · · Score: 2, Informative

      It was these arrows that saved a man from a traffic ticket: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/20/180231 &tid=133&tid=217&tid=1

    4. Re:Nice by OrangeGoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I dunno how often their maps are updated, but it is interesting to note that in certain areas, their map data is at least as old as their satellite data. A new bypass highway opened around my piddly hometown not too long ago. To no surprise, the completed highway doesn't show up on the satellite (though most of it is present). The map, however, shows none of it.

      It's amazing how accurate the roads they do show are, though - most online mapping tools (MapQuest, MSN) aren't very close, especially on the local college campus. Google, however, has everything nailed. Well... at least until the college decided to rip up all the streets, but that's another story. I wonder where they get their data...

    5. Re:Nice by bmwm3nut · · Score: 4, Interesting

      To no surprise, the completed highway doesn't show up on the satellite (though most of it is present). The map, however, shows none of it.

      here's a cool view of a place where the map is newer than the sattelite picture. you can see where rt 36 extends to the west over washington street. but in the pure sattellite picture, you can only see the construction. this is a realitively new bypass, so the sattellite doesn't have it in, but the map is updated perfectlly. http://maps.google.com/maps?q=westminster,+co&ll=3 9.825644,-104.980974&spn=0.007749,0.015003&t=h&hl= en

    6. Re:Nice by surprise_audit · · Score: 4, Informative
      I just looked for my house, and found something a bit out of place. The road running past my house has another road joining it as T-junction, with the upright part of the T running directly away from the house. Google Maps shows that as a 4-way intersection, with a completly fictitious road following what is in fact a drainage ditch... And just up the road the map shows a cross-street that runs through someone's house...

      I too wonder where they get their data. I was looking at a couple of mapping apps a few weeks ago, playing with a GPS puck I got for my birthday, and I think one of those shows the same stupid mistakes in the streets. It was either Microsoft Streets and Trips, or it was Rand McNally Streetfinder. I don't remember which, and right now I don't have either loaded because my disk drive died...

      The satellite view shows my pool, though, so - Hey!! I can see my pool from space!!

    7. Re:Nice by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here's an example of where the satellite imagery is newer than the map. The Ottawa River Parkway was moved around the new War Museum.

    8. Re:Nice by itchy92 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The satellite view shows my pool, though, so - Hey!! I can see my pool from space!!

      That's more scary than exciting to me, though.

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  3. Cool! by ballstothat · · Score: 2, Funny
    This is a great development. As a delivery person for certain "items", it will be great to have an overview of roads and traffic patterns for my "stops" on my "route", especially when traveling to new areas.

    It was so tiring carefully printing out the satellite views and then cutting out the roadmaps in thin slivers to fit over my printouts.

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  4. Not entirely new by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 4, Informative

    Mapper of Doom has had this for quite some time, albeit with existing data from Terraserver.

  5. Scale! by OrangeGoo · · Score: 5, Informative

    They added a scale since the last time I checked the maps, too! Halleluah!

    1. Re:Scale! by OrangeGoo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not really. Depending on how they project from spheroid to rectangle, the scale should change. The distance between parallels is constant, but the distance between meridians decreases as you move further from the equator.

      I guess it is actually odd, though, because the rectangle covers the same area at all times. Interesting.

  6. Draw my own line? by wirwzd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Now they need to make it do I can draw or adjust the line to see the mileage on different routes I want to take.

    This could also potentially used be used to collect data to improve the mapping, i.e if the end user plots a better/shorter/faster path between two points if to/from map drawn.

    Also could be used to collect correction data (i.e directed down one way street.

    A button for optional feedback on change reasoncouldbe used to collect why the change was made, etc.

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  7. This'll come in handy... by The+I+Shing · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is certainly bad news for all those girls I've been stalking.

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    1. Re:This'll come in handy... by kai.chan · · Score: 2, Funny

      To all the inflatable dolls and lonely men from mIRC out there, run for your lives before it is too late!

    2. Re:This'll come in handy... by br0ck · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe you'll find the marriage between Google maps and hotornot personals even handier. (next in the popup from the pushpin takes you through all pics for a given zip - link via metafilter this morning)

  8. Scaled as well by Penguin · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's pretty neat - the satellite photos are no longer wrapped around a cylinder (making places far away north or south from equator look squished).

    Unfortunately there still isn't maps available for Europe besides England. I hope it would arrive soon.

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    1. Re:Scaled as well by mike.newton · · Score: 5, Informative

      Excuse me, there are maps for Ireland as well. (Not to mention Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland.)

  9. IE supported as well (transparent PNG) by Penguin · · Score: 3, Informative

    There are a couple of different ways to achieve transparent PNGs in IE - besides simple 100% transparent colors (as known from gifs). The Google overlay isn't simply 100% transparent. The same goes for the "speech bubble" when clicking on different places.

    There are a couple of different methods. The Google Maps API mentions one:

    http://www.google.com/apis/maps/documentation/#XHT ML_and_VML

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  10. Re:I wish life were more like the internet. by OrangeGoo · · Score: 2, Informative

    As for the purple line floating over the highway, that's an active research area. The military is pumping a lot of dollars into augmented reality. I've gotten to see a few shots of some of their demo tech and it's pretty cool stuff. Now they just have to make it work correctly all the time and give proper depth queing... heheh

    Someday, though. Someday!

  11. Re:Hmm... by hazee · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Perhaps a more interesting question would be why they bothered to make it work with IE, rather than requiring IE to work with PNGs. How long is it before Google is strong enough, at least in the web sphere, to dictate terms to Microsoft?

    Maybe they're there already - it's not implausible that they could release something that doesn't work properly with existing versions of IE, along with an explanatory note to upgrade to a working browser.

    If they put in a direct link to Firefox say, the takeup could be huge, dwarfing the installed base to date. All of us here may know about all the alternative browsers, but your average joe doesn't - but if Google were to start pushing people towards them... now *that* would be news.

  12. PNG support in IE by gusnz · · Score: 5, Informative

    OK, so as sort of a meta-reply to all the posters asking about IE and PNG support, here's 2 interesting hacks you can use to get your PNG magic rolling in MSIE.

    MSIE (as of v6) doesn't support 32 bit transparent PNGs natively, but there is a cool hack where you can dither them down to 8 bits, retaining translucenct for browsers that support it, and using 1-bit transparency in MSIE, so it still looks OK.

    Alternatively, you can use the AlphaImageLoader() filter for near native IE PNG support -- that's a link to my own free CSS behavior that automatically adds IMG and background-image support for PNGs to MSIE 5.5+.

    Either way, PNGs rock, except for the lack of a cross-platform gamma standard -- if you need to match other colours on your site, just use JPEGs/GIFs.

  13. Re:As good as this looks... by TopShelf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Quite the contrary, I could see using the hybrid in preference to just the map. If you print it out for someone, I find it more useful than just the raw map...

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  14. About time! by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Multimap had done this for quite some time over the UK, but only with Internet Explorer. Google's solution works fine on Safari, and it looks clean to boot. Kudos Google!

    Now if our ZIP codes resolved to a single address, we would be set. ZIP+4 helps, but it's still not there yet. UK postcodes, while not perfect, are much better in this regard.

  15. I guess "regular" maps can now be officially by melted · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I guess "regular" maps can now be officially declared dead. This is right on so many levels, and implementation appears to be flawless.

    1. Re:I guess "regular" maps can now be officially by Ron+Bennett · · Score: 2, Funny

      Jumped the gun on that one - I should have taken another look before posting...

      Google finally listened and recently added a distance scale - it wasn't there the other day.

      Now Google Maps is finally complete :)

      Ron

    2. Re:I guess "regular" maps can now be officially by Linus+Torvaalds · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I guess "regular" maps can now be officially declared dead. This is right on so many levels, and implementation appears to be flawless.

      Regular maps don't need a computer and Internet connection. Those are two pretty big flaws.

  16. Very Impressive by (eternal_software) · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From a programming standpoint, this is amazing.

    The fact you can zoom in, to the highest zoom level, anywhere in the US... and the roads line up with the satellite maps.. is amazing.

    I just zoomed in fully to my street on Long Island, NY, and the road names and highways were overlayed perfectly with the actual streets as depicted on the satellite map.

    How do they do this? I guess the satellite maps are labelled so precisely that they can overlay lat/lon routes on top of them?

    1. Re:Very Impressive by OrangeGoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I dunno, but it must be a nightmare having to get everything to work correctly. I've recently had the (dis)pleasure of doing coordinate conversions - not only between coordinate systems (lat/lon, UTM, SPCS), but also projections (LCC, NAD27/83, WGS84) and datums (NAD27/83, WGS84), and sometimes even spheroids (GRS80, Clarke66, WGS84).

      They do it so well and so cleanly, I can't help but wonder if maybe some of the major GIS companies are starting to worry. Could ESRI be the next target? I know we've been investigating using Google Maps and Google Earth for our GIS applications, and that's quite a handful of contracts ESRI could lose...

    2. Re:Very Impressive by killa62 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The accuracy of the overlay seems to vary according to the elevation of the area and also the image itslf.
      Because of the fact that sattilites can only zoom in so far and still have a good image, in areas where you can zoom all the way in, they have to use airplanes to take pictures. Nevertheless, these survery airplanes have to maintain a perfect or almost perfect parallellness with the ground or else the image will look shifted. In places where the overlays are not very exact, the most common reason is than when the sattilite image was taken, the survey plane's camera was not pointing straight down and resulted in a shifted overlay in relation to the real image.

  17. WTF is up with you people? by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 2, Insightful
    They have satellite/aerial photography. They have map data. The map data is often derived from said photography. They've compositied one over the other.

    Geez! If they put pictures of fancy roses in corner you'd be creaming yourselves!

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  18. You're right, I just noticed too. by game+kid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yep, there's a scale. Seems credibly accurale.

    With all this and Google Earth too, I still wonder why my brother uses MapQuest. I guess some people like legacy systems.*

    *I notice they both use "@media print" so they only print what matters, not all the ad and search-box crap. Sweeeet.

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    1. Re:You're right, I just noticed too. by klui · · Score: 2, Informative

      The reason why I still use Yahoo Maps is because it prints better than Google Maps. The last time I tried printing was around 2 months ago. I couldn't get the map to display the route Google plotted in the zoom level I wanted (or print with a destination bubble). Google defaults to the initial route zoom (fairly high level). The printout of the text directions also was too large using too many sheets of paper. It didn't produce any output when I printed from Firefox--I had to use IE in order to get my output. Printer is a PS-based printer.

      Google has fixed the problem with output problems in Firefox and the text size.

      Submitted bug.

  19. Hmm...Knee-capper. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Perhaps a more interesting question would be why they bothered to make it work with IE, rather than requiring IE to work with PNGs. How long is it before Google is strong enough, at least in the web sphere, to dictate terms to Microsoft?"

    When Google become's the thing you all claim to hate.

  20. This guy did it earlier... by GillBates0 · · Score: 4, Informative
    I wholly agree that this is a very cool development, but some credit has to go to this guy who developed it first with the Google API.

    And I find his GUI better than Google's. It's slicker, and the ability to adjust the transparency (slider at the bottom) is quite innovative. As is also the ability to move the foreground or background and have the other align itself accordingly.

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  21. It has to be said. by fm6 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    As much as I admire Google, I think they really need to grow up a little. Yeah, all the cool applications and features they keep releasing are impressive as hell. But they're starting to neglect the basics. Like getting a product out of Beta mode in a reasonable time. (It's true that Google's Beta releases are often less buggy than most companys' final releases, but that doesn't change the fact that many of their products never seem to mature.) Like putting basic functionality ahead of the gee whiz stuff: Google Maps now has three different kinds of fancy displays, but still can't disambiguate addresses properly.

    Google has a reputation for having a totally unstructured working environment. That's good for creativity and morale, but there has to be some coordination and policy making, or else you're just creating stuff at random and shoving it out the door.

    I hear somebody saying, "But they're making money!" Sure, they do have some good basic products that generating tons of cash flow. The fact remains, their other projects are a mess, and a lot of promising products will probably never mature. All that cash flow is both very good and very evil. Very good because Google will not be in real trouble for the foreseeable future. Very evil because they have no incentive to correct their worst mistakes.

    1. Re:It has to be said. by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Parsing addresses is not as easy as all that, as not only do people type them all sorts of non-standard ways, but also cities use many different non-standard naming formulas. These things being so, Google does extremely well in figuring out the garbage that people type in.

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    2. Re:It has to be said. by dourk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But, since Google provides all these neeto features to me and so many others free of charge, who am I to complain?

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    3. Re:It has to be said. by Naikrovek · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Beta is no longer a technical term for them, it is a marketing term. It is for most people.

      and about the address parsing: it isn't sure it can accurately guess what you want, so it prompts you. would you rather it guess incorrectly or prompt? I'll pick prompt, thanks.

      nothing has to be said.

    4. Re:It has to be said. by mike.newton · · Score: 2, Insightful

      their other projects are a mess

      You said it: projects. Not products. Projects that are clearly marked as 'beta.' I totally agree that their address comprehension is pants, but at the same time I don't expect too much, given that it's a beta project, not even linked from their front page.

    5. Re:It has to be said. by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Google isn't a company... Google is an Empire.

      They will create services which will survive for YEARS! Slow ad revenue is just a stumbling block towards total domination.

      If they can just keep generating 5c a click for 50 years they'll generate billions!

      Plus they have froogle which promises to be the biggest cash cow the internet has ever seen.

    6. Re:It has to be said. by krunk4ever · · Score: 4, Insightful

      so how's this going to be different to you? imagine google did remove the beta word from their google maps software. would you know the difference? would it matter if it was exactly the same product that it was during beta form?

      in my opinion, beta is just a term google likes to fool the public with. if something is truly beta, you have 'beta' testers which usually are a select group to test out the product before releasing to the general public. this is usually a process to find bugs and etc. google has made the ENTIRE WORLD their beta testers, which i don't really mind, but final question that i want to ask you is how is sticking the word 'beta' or removing it from their products going to be any difference to you.

      i can see why you'd complain if it wasn't release to the general public, while beta users reaped all the usefulness. sorta like how people felt when only a select few got 1gb gmail accounts. gmail was in beta, and people were fighting to get accounts paying over $50 for 1 account. i could see why you'd want to see gmail go outta beta just for that reason. but google maps doesn't require subscription fees, no one has exclusive access, and it works beautifully.

      in fact, as someone else mention, google beta products are AD free!

  22. Poor Guy... by Ghoser777 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ouch, you must be on dial-up. My condolences. Maybe you can write google and see if they can do an ascii version to speed up the downloads.

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  23. But it has to be said. by zerocircle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, but all the cool applications and features they keep releasing are impressive as hell.

  24. Re:As good as this looks... by tjernobyl · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There used to be a significant desynch between the map and the satellite image for Canada and other northern areas. It was an artifact having to do with how the projection was done. They seem to have cleared it up now though; Winnipeg looks much less stretched, though you can still see some funny business in the watermarks.

  25. BUT by Ark42 · · Score: 3, Insightful


    Still NO EXIT NUMBERS! :(
    I can't believe I still use Mapquest's tiny and slow interface just to find freeway exit numbers.

    1. Re:BUT by jesser · · Score: 2, Interesting

      For surface streets, how about telling me the name of the street before the turn? At least in the San Francisco area, it's difficult to see the names of streets until you're so close that it's too late to make a turn legally.

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  26. Re:Whoopty-doo by TLLOTS · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually they're only using 8-bit PNG files, which IE has supported for quite some time, unsurprisingly as they only use one bit for transparency much like good old .gif files. Full 24-bit PNG transparency support is still lacking in IE however, though you can use an ActiveX filter to force it in IE if you desire it.

  27. Re:Hmm... by jeremyds · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What exactly would Google gain have by making their applications not work properly in IE? The general public does not want to bother installing a different browser just so they can use a Google app. In fact, it may have the unintended effect of turning people off to Google. It gives the perception that they have lazy developers and/or just doesn't care. I'd like to believe that Google develops applications for the end-user, not just Firefox zealots.

  28. Re:Google Moon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Go to http://moon.google.com/ - zoom all the way in. If you can't find your way around a hunk of that stuff, you need to spend less time on Slashdot.

  29. Virtual Earth by alienfluid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Virtual Earth had it first. This time Microsoft beat Google on their own turf. By the way, the MS interface is way better and the clarity of the aerial photographs is better too.

  30. Re:Whoopty-doo by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually they're only using 8-bit PNG files

    No, they're not, they're using 24-bit PNG files with 8-bit transparency. You can see this plainly by looking at a PNG snippet from the L.A. area hybrid I posted in the article:

    http://mt.google.com/mt?v=w2t.1&x=11236&y=26171&zo om=1

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  31. MSN Virtual Earth by lastberserker · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So why not go a link further? Or perhaps even try it for yourself? Pity most folks here don't realize that Google rarely innovates* anymore; they'd rather herald half-cooked imitations as something amazing ;-P

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  32. Re:Not new at all by markus_baertschi · · Score: 2, Informative

    There is map.search.ch with this feature since a long time. In addition map.search.ch feature satellite images of higher resolution, is very intuitive to use, and has many nifty features when hovering over displayed icons (schedules on bus-stops or train stations, temperature reading of public swimming-pools, amount of free lots on parkings).

    Markus

  33. Re:As good as this looks... by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I personally won't use it much. I like to be looking at either a map or a satellite, but not some combination.

    Not to be contrarian, but I actually think the hybrid will be useful.

    Several times I've found myself flipping back and forth between the two as I'm trying to visualize where something is and I need to see the street names to know exactly where something is, and the map to reconcile with the geography.

    Like all shiney google things, you may not need all of the features, but someone will find 'em useful.

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  34. Zoom support by cmason · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I would really like to see the ability to zoom in by dragging a rectangle on the map. You might toggle between zoom and pan with a toolbar, or use keyboard shortcuts.

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