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Technology In Katrina's Wake

We've had many submissions about the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. It doesn't come easy writes "From 'the end justifies the means department', the BBC is reporting that bogus emails about the current situation in New Orlean contain links to websites that promptly infect the concerned reader's computer. From the article: 'The separate virus and fake donations bogus e-mails have been discovered by computer security firms SophosLabs and Websense Security Labs. They are similar to previous fraudulent e-mails connected to last year's Indian Ocean Tsunami.'" Less cynically, an anonymous reader writes "A Linux developer is organizing volunteers for a public 'web station' project to assist Hurricane Katrina victims. The plan is to create numerous Linux-based public kiosks that boot directly into the Firefox browser and display a special home page with links to various services. In addition to offering disaster relief information and news, the kiosks will provide basic email capabilities via Yahoo!, Gmail, Earthlink, MS Hotmail, and other web-mail services. They're looking for donations of time and money. If you're looking to donate more directly, tech companies across the country are maintaining pages with ties to respected charities. Yahoo is maintaining the Red Cross donation page, and everyone from Microsoft to IBM has a message on their frontpage."

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  1. Why? by suso · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One thing that I'll never understand is why we (humans) continue to put important things in the most vulnerable places. This goes way beyond technology, but I'll use it as an example. Many large internet services companies are based on the west or east coast or in Texas. If you consider the worst (which is what just happend in New Orleans), there is a great potential for disaster in these places. However, in the middle of the country where the only natural threat is tornados, which don't affect everything together, there is very little. And so much
      of the Internet depends on those vulnerable regions. The aftermath of the hurricane is now threatening DirectNIC.

        Why do people keep building villages next to volcanos, museums with important artifacts in large cities, data centers in flood plains, major network hubs in cities.

        I'm guessing that the most likely reason this happens is because those places happen to be nice to live, better weather, etc. and it serves people's short term interests. But in the long term, I think we're just asking for Trouble (yes with a capital T).

        When a large wave comes in and knocks out the east coast with the next 100-1000 years, we'll probably have the same old excuses that we do now. And we'll be even more dependent on technology when it does.

    1. Re:Why? by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful


      The short answer: humans are fundamentally lazy creatures with short attention spans.

      I'm pretty sure that one day aliens will come across the remnants of our civilization and wonder "...but they had the beginnings of space travel...why did they all just stay on this one vulnerable planet? Didn't this species ever plan ahead?"

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    2. Re:Why? by Drooling+Iguana · · Score: 5, Informative
      Why do people keep building villages next to volcanos,
      Volcanic soil is quite fertile.
      museums with important artifacts in large cities,
      So that it can be seen by as many people as possible. That's kinda the point of museums. Otherwise they'd just stick all their priceless artifacts in unmarked boxes in giant wharehouses, like they did with the Ark of the Covenant.
      data centers in flood plains,
      Flood plains soil, like volcanic soil, is usually quite fertile, and cities are nearly always built near rivers due to the fact that a city's growth is directly dependant on its water supply. Data centers are built in cities because it's easier to find qualified employees there.
      major network hubs in cities.
      Again, they need to be built where people are, or it would be way too difficult to find qualified technicians to run them.
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    3. Re:Why? by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Insightful
      You build near the coast because historically that's where the trade is. The closer you are to a port, the closer you are to the big trade routes.

      This is why New Orleans is where it is. It was perfectly located to take on large amounts of the shipping around the gulf. The fact that it was below sea level was seen as an engineering challenge.

      As for why technological hubs are built in big cities, which in turn are often in vulnerable locations, that's where all the people are, and those locations also often contain the most technologically savy people, given they frequently contain - thanks to economies of scale - the institutions of learning and the most wealthy employers.

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    4. Re:Why? by heatdeath · · Score: 2, Informative

      One thing that I'll never understand is why we (humans) continue to put important things in the most vulnerable places.

      Earth is vulnerable. We have floods, tornados, earthquakes, hurricanes, extreme heat, extreme cold, wars, famines. Humans are vulnerable. We have disease, murder, accidents, etc. Everything is risk management, not risk prevention. As you said, "it serves people's short term interests". That's how we operate. Long term, we're dead. Short term is how we plan. (Unless you believe in a heaven, then you do plan differently)

      I mean, I don't know if you've seen much of the "safe" part of the country, but let me tell you, it's pretty boring. I've driven across the US 6 times, and while I was driving through the safe parts, like Iowa and Illinois, I wanted to chew my arm off, but I couldn't because I was too bored.

      Plus, with the advent of multi-billion dollar insurance companies, stuff like hurricanes don't seem as devestating.

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    5. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Data centers are built in cities because it's easier to find qualified employees there.

      True, but how about Cincinnati, Denver, Chicago, or Wichita? There are plenty of safer places with fewer catastrophic natural disasters. Although, I still don't get the "build where the experience is" thing. No matter where you build, the qualified will find you for the right price. If you build in Iowa, you might have to pay more to intice the epxerts, but it's probably still less than you're paying for rent and payroll in downtown LA or NYC.

      I live in a rural area in the Midwest, and there are major companies with brand names your recognize in a second that host their HQ within 30 miles from here. If a terrorist wanted to take them out, they're too scattered to make a significant impact on more than one company.

      Obviously, you can build a major oceanic seaports or oil platforms in Missouri, but I'd say thats the exception to the rule.

    6. Re:Why? by airrage · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...(humans) continue to put important things in the most vulnerable places...

      Humans didn't put New Orleans there, the French did.

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    7. Re:Why? by corsican · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Port Muskogee, OK is on the Arkansas River, far, far from hurricanes, tsunamis, etc. You might get the occasional tornado around, but as was pointed out, these are quite limited in scope in comparison.

      Not to mention the cost of living, which is much MUCH lower than say, LA or NYC.

      And I must take issue with the implication that there are no experts in the Midwest. I'm in the midwest (not Muskogee, BTW), and I'm an expert. Now, do I make 6 figures, like I would if I were in LA? No. But I still have a 3,000 square foot house that is 10 minutes from where I work. You can't get that in LA for under a million. I've got all the same shopping, restaurants, and other conveniences that they have on the left coast. And I'm not afraid to go out at night. Yeah, I gotta say; the coasts are overrated.

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    8. Re:Why? by ch-chuck · · Score: 3, Informative

      How many people do you know have a philosophy that takes into account the life left behind after they're gone, or 'life after death'? A space-faring civilization would have to be a multi-generational endeavor, where people plan ahead and work for events to take place long after they're gone, but the prevailing mode of thinking, that I can tell, is personally selfish, life for yourself, enjoy life all you can while your alive and let posterity fend for themselves. Heck, rack up a big debt and pass it on, who cares, I'll be dead then, haha. Even today we live with the selfish wrongs and debts passed down from the past, like slavery, while enjoying the fruits of those who worked for a better future. Working for a trans-personal goal like space travel smacks of some kind of religion, which, oddly enough, is obliterated by a naiev application of the science and technology that would make it possible, and makes us selfish and shortsighted, with science used for ego and hedonist ends and we end up living like animals in the crunch, instead of living up to out higher ideals.

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  2. Why has no one mentioned... by Lordfly · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...this guy?

    http://massivewinners.com/mgno/

    He's writing a blog from within New Orleans.. he's running diesel generators to keep his company (I think it's a datacenter) running... he has a live webcam and hundreds of pictures of the disaster. It's about as close to the ground as you can get. Truly amazing...

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    1. Re:Why has no one mentioned... by sockonafish · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Doing so would be a dupe.

    2. Re:Why has no one mentioned... by suso · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, I can't load the page that you're linking too, but I'm betting the person works for DirectNIC. They have a blog up on their site with pictures, etc. too.

    3. Re:Why has no one mentioned... by xCepheus · · Score: 5, Funny

      Great... this guy's web server survived _HURRICANE KATRINA_ and now you go and a post a link to it on slashdot.

      Nice...

    4. Re:Why has no one mentioned... by FlopEJoe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I know we like technology and blogs and all but I can't help thinking that the effort and diesel could be used for other purposes.

    5. Re:Why has no one mentioned... by interiot · · Score: 5, Informative
    6. Re:Why has no one mentioned... by fm6 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Massivewinners.com is slashdotted. But this sounds like the same guy who owns mgno.com. And he got a front page Slashdot story just yesterday. For no obvious reason, he likes people to link redirects like mgno.com or massivewinners.com/mgno, instead of linking his LiveJournal direct.

  3. Resilience by jav1231 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Things like this bring out the best in some and the worse in others. Everything from looting to taking the opportunity to stake out political claims. The people will rebuild and do so despite what we do and do not do. I'm glad to see some are choosing to "do."

  4. Fraud by John+Seminal · · Score: 4, Interesting
    If you donate, give to an organization you trust. Don't get ripped off by donating just because someone has a website set up. These fraud sites are run by scum, while there is a tragedy, they want to take money which should help people in need, and take it for themseleves.

    And I don't get why every company now has a donation website for people? Why does Microsoft need a link for donating? Is it all PR bullshit? Is it in fashion to appear to be helping? Why doesn't Bill gates take some of his billions, and give? I am sure he will, but it seems like he can donate far more than the web page will raise. It is better to let the groups which have been around for so long do the job, the Red Cross and known charities.

    Warric Dunn had a great idea. He is a running back in the NFL. He challenged every NFL player to donate $5,000. A drop in the bucket for guys making millions. It would raise over $8,000,000 for New Orleans. We will soon find out who the good guys are, and who the assholes are.

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    1. Re:Fraud by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 4, Informative
      Funny you should mention that. The third link on the FEMA.gov "Volunteer or Make a Donation" page, under "Donate Cash", just happens to be Operation Blessing, who's chairman is "MG Robertson," is none other than the Rev. Pat - Marion Gordon Robertson is his real name - while Pat's wife DeDe is vice president and son Gordon Robertson is also on the board.

      I feel certain that 100% of any and all donations will go directly to New Orleans.

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    2. Re:Fraud by interiot · · Score: 3, Informative

      Donations will go to New Orleans, diamond mining, and horse racin^H^H^H^H^H^H athleticism.

    3. Re:Fraud by DAldredge · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1 WHOLE Million dollars?

      That is only 4-5 times less then the donation that Toyota made. One would think the most profitable software company on the planet could donate more.

    4. Re:Fraud by superyooser · · Score: 2, Informative
      OB
      Efficiency - Over 99.2% of OBI's spending goes toward humanitarian programs.

      Excellence - MinistryWatch.Com ranks Operation Blessing International #2 (out of 451 charities) with its top 5-Star Financial Efficiency Rating.

      High-Value - For every $10 you give, it helps us secure more than $100 of donated food and relief supplies (10 to 1 return on your charitable investment).

    5. Re:Fraud by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you're going to give to a religious organization, give to an established church's relief effort (shoutout to UMCOR, since I go to a Methodist church). A lot of these strange organizations like Operation Blessing that you mentioned take a percentage off for "administrative expenses" - which in this case appears to be the Robertson family.

      Not that I know that Operation Blessing is necessarily corrupt, just that Pat Robertson isn't exactly the most trustworthy guy (seriously, what "Christian" goes around asking to kill authorities? but I digress), and this type of organizational structure is also not that trustworthy. UMCOR, on the other hand, is volunteer run, and all its administrative expenses come from the regular offering plate in Methodist churches. Donations to UMCOR go 100% to the people who need them.

    6. Re:Fraud by greenrd · · Score: 2, Informative
      Does operation blessing have any scandles regarding the misuse of donations in its past?

      Oh yes, it sure does!

      You want scandal, I'll give you fucking scandal - from Wikipedia:

      "Through his ostensibly charitable organization, Operation Blessing International, Robertson claims to have spent $1.2 million bringing aid to refugees in Rwanda. His critics, such as Palast, claim the money was actually spent to bring heavy equipment for Robertson's African Development Corporation, a diamond mining operation."

      This is covered in Palast's book "The Best Democracy Money can Buy", which is a must-read for every Bush-lover out there.

  5. If there is no power... by NickCatal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How will these kiosks work in the areas where they are needed most? What about internet access? etc.

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  6. Hindsight is 20:20 by Valiss · · Score: 3, Funny

    Gatta love the understatement of the week on his blog:

    http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/2005/ 08/27/

    If only they knew then...

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  7. In Related Geek News by Quirk · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Wired ran an article that in part reads as follows:
    "Virtually everything that has happened in New Orleans since Hurricane Katrina struck was predicted by experts and in computer models, so emergency management specialists wonder why authorities were so unprepared."

    While I'll do what I can, I find the fact that the scenario had been modeled disturbing in light of the disorganized response. The more so since President Bush has said no one predicted the levees being breached.

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    1. Re:In Related Geek News by doxology · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah,I was reading this a little while ago and it's amazing how prophetic it is.

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  8. Pre-emptive post by lpangelrob · · Score: 3, Interesting
    From reading other sources out there, I know this subject will come up, so I'm going to go at it first.

    The federal/state/local government wasn't prepared for Katrina (yes, even in spite of the drills) because the last Category 4 storm, Hurricane Charley, wasn't all that bad. I get the feeling that every single government agency in the country was gearing up to respond to that type of event.

    Katrina has ended up like Charley^2, mostly due ot her size. And there's not nearly enough workers, rescuers, or responders to be able to deal with the situation.

    In addition, Charley did not hit Tampa, Florida directly.

    It seemed that all the meteorologists knew the impact of Katrina, even in the 18 hours before when we knew she would hit New Orleans, but that this didn't get through to the government that everyone is now blaming for failing to respond.

    1. Re:Pre-emptive post by Fiver- · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But the actions needed post-hurricane are much the same actions required after an attack with chemical or bio weapons. We're very unlikely to have advance notice of any attacks, much less 18 hours, so the response has to be fast to be effective.

      Is anyone impressed with this display of preparedness and response?

    2. Re:Pre-emptive post by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually they thought that they had prepared. The told people to evacuate. They told people that went to the SuperDome to bring five days of food and water.
      What they where not ready for was 25+% of the people not evacuating. Why didn't the state use every school bus and truck to get the people the heck out?
      I really feel for these people but they should have gotten out of New Orleans.

      And the state of LA should have done more to get them out.Maybe the National Guard should have been called up before the storm to get the people out.

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  9. Journalists finally starting to do their job! by wass · · Score: 5, Informative
    Journalists are finally starting to see through the misleading statements of federal officials who are claiming everything is jus' fine down in N'awleans, and are reporting the actual reality on the ground.

    Too bad it took a disaster for this to happen. But when you see people dying in front of your eyes and your own government waiting 4 days before really attempting to help out, your sense of conscience grows.

    CNN has a special page contrasting the statements of officials about how great things are going versus the reality. Read the article here.

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    1. Re:Journalists finally starting to do their job! by lpangelrob · · Score: 2, Interesting
      It's not misleading, just clueless.

      Consider that it's been widely reported that New Orleans is under 20 feet of water. Of course that's not an average depth -- the French Quarter is above ground, and therefore not underwater.

      I have yet to hear anything regarding the not-flooded southern suburbs of New Orleans, and I suspect that not much is happening over there... just a lot of wind damage.

      It is very disturbing that the federal government doesn't know about the New Orleans Convention Center situation, which leads me to believe that initially, they thought the state of Louisiana could handle things. This is a rational initial assumption to take, even with a Category 4 hurricane. This has been proven to be incorrect.

    2. Re:Journalists finally starting to do their job! by fireduck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That was indeed a powerful article. I had read it moments before you posted. And it got me thinking. What do we know about Mr. Brown, the head of FEMA?

      Well he's a lawyer with no experience managing disaster relief, who was promoted when the Homeland Security department was created. Contrast that with his predecessor, Joe Allbaugh, also appointed by Bush, but who had overseen a number of disasters prior to coming to the position. Prior to him, James Witt, a Clinton appointee, has previous disaster management at the state level before being elevated to the national position.

      The real question is: Why in the hell do we have, as THE man in charge of disasters, someone who's entire emergency management experience consists of "serving as an assistant city manager with emergency services"?

    3. Re:Journalists finally starting to do their job! by fermion · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The other day on NPR they had an army corp guy saying how they would get the breeches closed in a day, and even if they didn't it would not be a big deal as the city would drain a bit as the river receeded. On tuesday Homeland security was like the city would be evacuated in a day.

      Friday afternoon and the city is still under water. People are getting murdered, children are getting raped, and and an epidemic is inevitable. The dome is full and we are about to start filling the entire complex in houston with people. The schools are ready and willing to take of the children, but where do we put them, and who is going to get them here. One gun shot and our gaurd runs away. Refugees are being turned away from military bases.

      I think the most depressing thing is that we have this new fangled Homeland security office that we paid dearly for, both with money and personal freedoms. They are supposed to help us with stuff like this, but all that has happened is talk. We will do this, we will do that. A week is almost gone, and we are still waiting. I know everyone is doing thier best, but honestly sometimes ones best is not good enough, and one has to be big enough to admit it. Texas was ready to help. The feds, however, are still on vacation. The benifit of being a rich country is quickly mobilizing aid to those in need. These people are in need. I don't care about the price of gas. I don't care about the effect on the economy. I just want help sent to those standed people. I just want the feds to stop jerking off, stope trying to minimize the impact to save political face, and do the job they are paid to do.

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  10. Re:It's sad by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 2, Interesting


    People like these should be tracked down, flogged, and then prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law!

    They're doing better than that...national guardsmen now have orders to shoot to kill. Pity we can't do the same to the scammmers.

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  11. Why??? by maxrate · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The terminals will just get shot at or stolen.

  12. The gulf coast has taken one in the shorts... by suitepotato · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...and the only thing on the minds of thousands of Slashdotters is whether computer and network technology is involved and if so does it involve Linux, Firefox, and Open Source Software.

    Fro crying out loud people, who gives a damn?! Thousands are dead, many thousands more injured, and most of them and thousands more homeless and an even larger amount without drinkable water and an even larger amount without electrical power. WHO CARES if Linux is involved?

    I swear, the shallow and selfish opportunism never ceases to amaze me. I bet if Bill Gates donated $50M to relief efforts there would be an immediate post proclaiming it an attempt to buy influence and derail criticism while a small effort of Linux geeks to raise a few donations via PayPal would get endless glowing praise. As it is I fully expect the tragedy to be laid at the feet of the Bush administration without regard to the local government evidently collapsing on itself in the crucial first hours of the aftermath.

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  13. Re:Special Place in Hell by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Insightful
    There is a special place in hell for scammers taking advantage of this disaster. It's too bad.

    The problem is not where they go in their afterlife (or lack thereof) but that we have to contend with them in this life.

    On another track, it's great to be giving so much when these sorts of disasters hit, but where's the love the rest of the time? When I give blood, it's not because there's some horrible disaster in dire need, it's because there might be. The American Redcross and other agencies can only so so much if their coffers are low and something like this hits. It's a good thing to give before disasters so they have money and resources at the ready. Fewer scammers are likely to trip you up if you actually contact your favorite agency proactively and give.

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  14. You're the only one. ;-) by suso · · Score: 3, Funny

    You know TripMaster Monkey, I think you're the only person on Slashdot who ever understands what I'm getting at. Everyone else takes me so literally and mods me down as overrated.

  15. Re:Why? - Because we are human! by case1984 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Have you ever been to New Orleans? It's a great city - not like any other city I have been in.

    I think your reasoning is flawed. By your way of thinking, one should not live or place any item of importance on/in:
    the coast of any continent
    any major city
    along national borders
    along fault lines
        or anywhere near any of these places.

    We are human and we make choices that are sometimes not the most logical, but are based on other more intanglible things.

    I think the flaw in your post can be summed up in this quote:
    "Why do people keep ... museums with important artifacts in large cities...?"
    Because people want to look at them and major cities are where the people are! What good would they do you if they were hermetically sealed in a vault in a mountain somewhere?

    Follow the logic:
    1. you post on slashdot
    2. your computer must be important to you
    3. you must know something about computer security
    4. there is only one way to guarantee your computer will never be compromised... Don't put it on the net
    so, therefore, why is your computer on the net? Because you want to get on the internet, and the risks are overshadowed by the benefits of the internet.
    Same with new orleans, california, etc.

    At first I thought you were being sarcastic, but then you got (Score:3, Insightful) and I had to post.

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  16. Re:Where are the Guardsmen? by HTTP+Error+403+403.9 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Where did this cut and paste article come from ?

    http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins20050 9020719.asp

    HA! The National Review Online. HA!

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  17. wesley clark by crabpeople · · Score: 3, Interesting

    General Wesley clark sounds off on the disaster.

    http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/9/1/123536/7907

    time for one of them good ole friday flamewars

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  18. Re:Where are the Guardsmen? by wass · · Score: 3, Informative
    Nice propaganda, you are a good patriot for drinking the laced Kool-Aid. Now can you be so nice as to tell us from which unbiased source you plagiarized your post?

    Anyway, you are buying the statements of federal officials hook, line, and sinker. Read this article by CNN that contrasts what Bush administration officials are saying versus the realities on the ground.

    Here's a snippet to demonstrate your propaganda is just that, propaganda.

    Chertoff [Director of Homeland Security]: In addition to local law enforcement, we have 2,800 National Guard in New Orleans as we speak today. One thousand four hundred additional National Guard military police trained soldiers will be arriving every day: 1,400 today, 1,400 tomorrow and 1,400 the next day.

    Nagin [Mayor of New Orleans]: I continue to hear that troops are on the way, but we are still protecting the city with only 1,500 New Orleans police officers, an additional 300 law enforcement personnel, 250 National Guard troops, and other military personnel who are primarily focused on evacuation.

    Amazingly, journalists are starting to wake up and report actual news instead of repeating the carefully prepared statements of federal officials. Unfortunately it took a tragedy to get to this point.

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  19. don't know who to blame...or if it is necessary by ubuntu2005 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    don't know who to blame, but the federal government were definitely slow in acting (why the f*ck was Bush on vacation until Wednesday when he declared Louisiana a disaster area before the hurricane hit Louisiana?). I was one of the fortunate ones to evacuate on Sunday and staying in Houston with my family in a hotel. The gravitude of the situation is sinking in, realizing we cannot go back home for months. Don't have enough money to stay past next week at the hotel, no idea if our house is up in New Orleans. I was in school in New Orleans, no idea when it will start again. It is scary situation...

  20. The reasons by zippthorne · · Score: 2, Interesting

    People tend to congrate in areas which can support the most people. Areas that have things like arable land, freshwater supply, and access to trade routes.

    Volcanic soil is about the most fertile soil on the planet, which means that a society which uses it to develop its food supply can grow quite without having to import as much food.

    Sheltered deepwater ports allow for large amounts of trade via the most efficient way of transporting things: huge barges.

    Cities will even pop up at crossroads of sufficiently well-traveled trade routes, but cities that rely exclusively on overland trade tend to be smaller than their deepwater counterparts.

    Coastal regions tend to have more moderate climates than further inland and subsequent longer growing seasons.

    Ample freshwater supplies are another reason for the springing up of cities.

    People don't just say, "let's put a city here." Cities just happen. Think of a petri dish randomly splayed with varying concentrations of nutrients here and there. Populations will grow accroding to available resources. One of those resources could be good urban planning resulting in a sane transportation system for instance. Eventually you'll notice that some areas have dense cities and some do not.

    New Orleans is on the Mississippi river delta. It is the gateway to trade between a handful of states and the rest of the world. Being at the mouth of a huge, silty river, the ground should be almost as fertile as the volcanic soil previously mentioned, with plenty of fresh water filtered from the river or taped from the huge freshwater lake it was so recently a victim of.

    Kansas on the other hand has one resource in abundance: land. There is plenty of acceptable but not very exciting farmland. There are other resources which must be mined scattered throughout the state and transportation is not as cheap as for port-cities. This does not particularly lend itself to concentrations of people.

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  21. Re: Warrick Dunn by John+Seminal · · Score: 3, Informative
    Warrick Dunn was a stud at FSU. I can't remember how many games he had where he rushed for 150 yards and 2 td's, plus the extra 40 or 50 yards recieving per game. He was easily one of the top 5 running backs in college football history.

    What is even more amazing is, now that he is in the NFL, he is not like most flash in the pan running backs. He is not demanding to be the most paid player. He even works with others. He is everything a team player should be. Compare him to someone like Maurice Clorette.

    Warrick was raised the right way. He cares about other people. It is nice to see when God gives someone so much natural ability, that the person feels blessed and wants to contribute to others.

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  22. Re:Where are the Guardsmen? by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Insightful
    A year ago after Hurricane Charley, the president was accused of responding too quickly, allegedly to curry favor with Florida voters.
    I don't think he was accused of any such thing, but that said, it's an interesting contrast, isn't it? Two months before an election, he's right there from the get-go, promising help to anyone who wants it in his Brother's swing state.

    Ten months after the election, however, with no more elections for him to win, he plays the guitar, makes a few (non-relevent) speeches, and acts, essentially, as if nothing's happening. At some point on Tuesday afternoon, after the floods have started, and 36 hours after the hurricane actually hit, he announces he's cutting short his vacation. But he didn't actually get back to work until Wednesday afternoon.

    And remember, while the floods may have only started on Tuesday morning, the Hurricane itself did immense damage, leaving hundreds of thousands of people across three states without power, in seriously damaged, often to the point of uninhabitability, homes. The hurricane itself - not its rains that caused the levies to break - caused astonishing amounts of distruction on Monday, more so than anything that hit Florida (and I live in Florida, in Stuart as it happens, where two of last year's hurricanes hit) - that's all been kind of pushed aside as we concentrate on looking at New Orleans.

    And, you'll forgive me, but at least on Wednesday, the feeling I got from the White House was that gas prices were the primary concern of everyone there.

    I'm sorry if this sounds like partisan bitching to you, but, well, call it constructive criticism if it hurts.

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  23. That's freakin' ridiculous! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Web Stations???? That's almost as ridiculous as the free Wi-fi until Sept. 2 idea.

    When you're starving to death, living in a toxic cesspool with dead people floating by, with raping and pillaging all around you, the LAST freaking thing on your mind is "maybe I'll go browse at the kiosk for a while"

    Give to the red cross; they're trying to save lives. The kiosks, while I'm sure an honest effort to help, is simply not going to make as much impact as the same amount of money allocated to getting food and drinking water into that hellhole.

  24. Re:Where are the Guardsmen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I thought I'd follow your cut and paste job up with one of my own:

    Friday, September 2nd, 2005
    Vacation is Over... an open letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush

    Friday, September 2nd, 2005

    Dear Mr. Bush:

    Any idea where all our helicopters are? It's Day 5 of Hurricane Katrina and thousands remain stranded in New Orleans and need to be airlifted. Where on earth could you have misplaced all our military choppers? Do you need help finding them? I once lost my car in a Sears parking lot. Man, was that a drag.

    Also, any idea where all our national guard soldiers are? We could really use them right now for the type of thing they signed up to do like helping with national disasters. How come they weren't there to begin with?

    Last Thursday I was in south Florida and sat outside while the eye of Hurricane Katrina passed over my head. It was only a Category 1 then but it was pretty nasty. Eleven people died and, as of today, there were still homes without power. That night the weatherman said this storm was on its way to New Orleans. That was Thursday! Did anybody tell you? I know you didn't want to interrupt your vacation and I know how you don't like to get bad news. Plus, you had fundraisers to go to and mothers of dead soldiers to ignore and smear. You sure showed her!

    I especially like how, the day after the hurricane, instead of flying to Louisiana, you flew to San Diego to party with your business peeps. Don't let people criticize you for this -- after all, the hurricane was over and what the heck could you do, put your finger in the dike?

    And don't listen to those who, in the coming days, will reveal how you specifically reduced the Army Corps of Engineers' budget for New Orleans this summer for the third year in a row. You just tell them that even if you hadn't cut the money to fix those levees, there weren't going to be any Army engineers to fix them anyway because you had a much more important construction job for them -- BUILDING DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ!

    On Day 3, when you finally left your vacation home, I have to say I was moved by how you had your Air Force One pilot descend from the clouds as you flew over New Orleans so you could catch a quick look of the disaster. Hey, I know you couldn't stop and grab a bullhorn and stand on some rubble and act like a commander in chief. Been there done that.

    There will be those who will try to politicize this tragedy and try to use it against you. Just have your people keep pointing that out. Respond to nothing. Even those pesky scientists who predicted this would happen because the water in the Gulf of Mexico is getting hotter and hotter making a storm like this inevitable. Ignore them and all their global warming Chicken Littles. There is nothing unusual about a hurricane that was so wide it would be like having one F-4 tornado that stretched from New York to Cleveland.

    No, Mr. Bush, you just stay the course. It's not your fault that 30 percent of New Orleans lives in poverty or that tens of thousands had no transportation to get out of town. C'mon, they're black! I mean, it's not like this happened to Kennebunkport. Can you imagine leaving white people on their roofs for five days? Don't make me laugh! Race has nothing -- NOTHING -- to do with this!

    You hang in there, Mr. Bush. Just try to find a few of our Army helicopters and send them there. Pretend the people of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast are near Tikrit.

    Yours,

    Michael Moore
    MMFlint@aol.com
    www.MichaelMoore.com

    P.S. That annoying mother, Cindy Sheehan, is no longer at your ranch. She and dozens of other relatives of the Iraqi War dead are now driving across the country, stopping in many cities along the way. Maybe you can catch up with them before they get to DC on September 21st.

  25. Re:Where are the Guardsmen? by Limburgher · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Even if that were true, and not just ripped-off National Review agitprop, the question remains: Where are the supplies and equipment the Guard should be using?

    Oh yeah, Iraq.

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  26. Re: Warrick Dunn by Darth_brooks · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Dunn really is a nice guy.

    (Though not a top 5 all time college back. Not even close. There are way to many guys from barely Division I "Northwest Podunk State A&M" type schools that rack up big numbers against poor teams)

    Dunn's a mensch. He's always giving to charity, leading by example, and just generally doing the right thing the right way.

    Now, if he'd only stop screwing every fantasy football that drafts him, he'd be an ok guy.

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    There are some people that if they don't know, you can't tell 'em.
  27. Way ahead of you! by DanishE · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This has already been down in Lafayette, LA as of Wednesday at the Cajundome. Setup numerous recycled workstations with a Linux distro on each of them. People had Internet access so they could post on sites they were okay and to search for others. We also setup VOIP phones for users to call out for free. We are presently trying to get Bellsouth to bring in some more Internet connections to allow for the heavy load we are consuming. Even Laura Bush was here today asking to use our services (public appearance ploy!) I suggest they do the same in Houston and Baton Rouge.

  28. With everyone "pitching in" by sgant · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What about the oil companies? Oh, I don't know...call me cynical but wasn't the gas we're putting in our cars today bought, paid for and process a long time ago? Why aren't we paying those prices instead of prices today?

    I'm not Mr. anti-corporation or anything...but since these companies are experiencing the biggest profits in years (before this crisis btw) couldn't they just come out and say "we're going to do our part and drop the price of gas a whole dollar until this crisis is over". Right? Couldn't that help a hell of a lot of people?

    Meh...just wondering. I'll admit I know nothing about finance or big business or how these things work. I'm just a simple back-woods farmer from a small town in Virginia.

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    1. Re:With everyone "pitching in" by dr_dank · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not Mr. anti-corporation or anything...but since these companies are experiencing the biggest profits in years (before this crisis btw) couldn't they just come out and say "we're going to do our part and drop the price of gas a whole dollar until this crisis is over". Right? Couldn't that help a hell of a lot of people?

      The shareholders of said company would oust that executive before he finished that sentence. These people run companies to maximize shareholder profit, not play Mother Theresa with one of the most valuable commodities on the face of the earth.

      --
      Where does the school board find them and why do they keep sending them to ME?
    2. Re:With everyone "pitching in" by MyNymWasTaken · · Score: 3, Informative

      but wasn't the gas we're putting in our cars today bought, paid for and process a long time ago? Why aren't we paying those prices instead of prices today?

      It's called replacement costs. In order for the Acme Filling Station to be able to afford to re-fill their holding tanks, they have to charge for the already-purchased gas what it will cost to replace it.

      "we're going to do our part and drop the price of gas a whole dollar until this crisis is over"

      Gas stations are running at a loss because of consumer sentiment, and price wars.

    3. Re:With everyone "pitching in" by ptbarnett · · Score: 2, Informative
      Oh, I don't know...call me cynical but wasn't the gas we're putting in our cars today bought, paid for and process a long time ago? Why aren't we paying those prices instead of prices today?

      Because tomorrow, the gas station operator will have to buy more gas to replenish his inventory -- unless he planned to shutdown his business instead.

      Wholesale gasoline prices have gone up rapidly in the past week. If he were to sell the gas for just enough to pay for his previous gasoline shipment, plus his operating costs and a small profit, he would have to borrow money to be able to pay for delivery of more gasoline to replenish his inventory.

      This same scenario plays out all the way up the supply chain to the wellhead.

  29. Relief funds? by phorm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm not really sure about donating to any things like 'relief funds' for the very reason that many helpful organizations are burocracies (sp?) that tend to get very little capital to the end recipients (the victims).

    That's bad enough, but add to this the scamming bastards and others (gas companies anyone) taking advantage of this disaster... and I wish I could pay somebody to break the knees of these scammers. I hope that the government pays very close attention to the popular scam sites, and makes a very, very strong example of them... like maybe dropping them in the middle of New Orleans survivors and letting everyone know about their scammy websites...

    1. Re:Relief funds? by leesweet · · Score: 2, Informative

      Many sites have info on the 'validness' of organizations and how much of what you donate actually is spent on the program you want (such as Hurricane Relief). Easy to decide if the one asking for money is valid and a good choice! See http://www.charitynavigator.org/ for example.

    2. Re:Relief funds? by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Red Cross turns 92% of donations over. The other 8% is used to pay the employees and keep the orginisation open. That's one of the (if not THE) best place to donate.

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    3. Re:Relief funds? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      However, donations to the Red Cross go into their general fund, and are not earmarked for specific disasters.

      Also, it should be realized that the 8% overhead pays for administrative employees and other admin costs. Pay for employees actually doing the relief work in the field is included in the 92% that they "turn over".

      They are still, however, one of the most reliable and trustworthy charities to give to.

      --
      "Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
  30. A Long History of Bipartisan Neglect by Cr0w+T.+Trollbot · · Score: 2, Interesting
  31. Re:Not really contradictory, even worse by wass · · Score: 4, Informative
    If you actually read the article, there isn't much contradiction.

    Oh really?

    Chertoff [Homeland Security Director]: In addition to local law enforcement, we have 2,800 National Guard in New Orleans as we speak today. One thousand four hundred additional National Guard military police trained soldiers will be arriving every day: 1,400 today, 1,400 tomorrow and 1,400 the next day.

    Nagin [Mayor of New Orleans]: I continue to hear that troops are on the way, but we are still protecting the city with only 1,500 New Orleans police officers, an additional 300 law enforcement personnel, 250 National Guard troops, and other military personnel who are primarily focused on evacuation.

    ---

    Brown [FEMA Chief]: I've just learned today that we ... are in the process of completing the evacuations of the hospitals, that those are going very well.

    CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta: It's gruesome. I guess that is the best word for it ... There is no electricity. There is no water. There's over 200 patients still here remaining.

    Dr. Matthew Bellew, Charity Hospital: We still have 200 patients in this hospital, many of them needing care that they just can't get. The conditions are such that it's very dangerous for the patients.

    ---

    Brown: I've had no reports of unrest, if the connotation of the word unrest means that people are beginning to riot, or you know, they're banging on walls and screaming and hollering or burning tires or whatever. I've had no reports of that.

    CNN's Chris Lawrence: From here and from talking to the police officers, they're losing control of the city. We're now standing on the roof of one of the police stations. The police officers came by and told us in very, very strong terms it wasn't safe to be out on the street.

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  32. Searchable Database for Katrina Survivors by strutton · · Score: 3, Informative

    A group of web developers at EarthLink whipped up a page last night designed to aid in finding Katrina victims. I know there are many of these popping up. This site is searchable by last name and also includes links to many of the other survivor lists. The site was done solely as a public service...katrina.earthlink.net

  33. Company website screenshots by alienfluid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For those of you who are interested, I have put up a compile of company website screenshots on my website. It seems that a lot of companies (in the computer industry at least) are displaying solidarity with the hurricane victims. Screenshots

  34. Someone has beaten you to it by rsae718 · · Score: 2, Informative

    It looks like someone has already beaten you to it. http://apnews.myway.com//article/20050902/D8CC8H7O 0.htmlPhones, Computers Coming to Astrodome

  35. Don't forget some the best tech working - the hams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    Let us not forget all the ham radio operators who have been working continuously since even before the hurricane made land fall, whether they are working in RACES, ARES, SATERN, the Hurricane Watch Net, or just volunteering their time on their own in the disaster area. There has been far too many ignorant dolts, especially with regard to the topic of BPL, who trivialize ham radio as some special interest hobby that should go away so that we can get subpar internet access to places where it is feasable to get better service otherwise. Where are your cell phones and internet service now jackasses?

    Here are a few stories: 1, 2, and 3.

  36. Re:Not really contradictory, even worse by interiot · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Learn how to read.

    New Orleans isn't some third-world country who just got out from under the rule of a greedy tyrant, that's stuck on the other side of the world surrounded by countries who are only helping us because we're giving them enough money. The food and gas supply chain doesn't have to pass through hundreds of miles of insurgents with improvised explosives.

    This is the US. This is FIVE days after the hurricane went through, and FEMA still doens't have their story straight.

    This is gross incompetence.

  37. I see noone understands Maslow's Heirarchy by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 5, Insightful

    of Needs.

    Expecting people to be angels when you haven't satisfied their primary needs of:
    1. Water - yes, this is 1 - and potable too;
    2. Food - and it has to be ethnically acceptable too;
    3. Clothing - and sitting around in 110 degree temperatures when you may not have been dressed for it in the first place ...
    4. Shelter - this basically means dry shelter;

    but basically, if you haven't met at least the first seven levels, and it sounds like most people there haven't even had the first four levels met, you will act in ways that few people would believe.

    Add that to seeing bus service laid on to evac the hotel guests while they wouldn't even use the trains to get you out, and you might be a bit miffed - and you can forget about civility.

    But, hey, I'm just repeating my Army training guidelines ...

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  38. Redundant do-gooders by fm6 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    A Linux developer is organizing volunteers for a public 'web station' project to assist Hurricane Katrina victims.
    Craigslist has a dozen different people "organizing volunteers" for web sites to help Katrina victims. As if nobody else could have thought of it. At best, all these sites will confuse people and repeat each others efforts. At worse, they'll hinder each other.

    Most of what needs to be done is dreary and low-tech: helping load trucks, sorting blankets, etc. So if you want to help, call up the Salvation Army or the Red Cross and offer your time.

  39. Irritated. by deemaunik · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What pisses me off, is that considering we've blown something like two hundred billion in Iraq over the time we've been there... and the Government's saw fit to expend that much... What have they done to correct this? Bureaucrats are wonderful at throwing money at problems to either solve them or make them go away. Considering the 200B we've blown in a war we shouldn't be involved in, if we, in contrat, took ONE PERCENT of that, Two Billion, how much of a difference would that make? I fail to see how whenever natural disasters happen, the responsibility falls on the hands of Nonprofit Organizations and Celebrities, or big Companies like Office Depot who, as of this morning, had a logo emblazoned on their main page stating their benevolent actions of donating a million. Wonderful advertising schema, really.

  40. US Government depending on radio by leighklotz · · Score: 3, Informative
    The US government making extensive use of terrestrial radio (not sat phones, not cell sites) to communicate in this disaster:

    The US Government SHARES service reports that radio HF, VHF and UHF radio are the only means of communication available. "SHARES was used in numerous cases [August 29] to facilitate communication coordination for both federal and military agencies, and also rescue efforts for stranded civilian personnel," John Peterson said.

    Peterson said SHARES, which is part of the National Communication System, will continue to be a major communication facility for federal government agencies and military units responding to the Katrina emergency, and "SHARES stations should be prepared for extended operations." He encouraged any and all reports from affected areas.

    SHARES is continuing operation 24/7 on government communication frequencies of 14.3965 MHz days and 7.632 MHz nights throughout the disaster response.


    For more info on amateur radio assistance (as opposed to government work) see ARRL.
  41. Re:This is Just Utterly Ridiculous by Thu25245 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not just downtown New Orleans. Millions of people were affected by the storm, and hundreds of thousands, in Mississippi, Alabama, and the rest of Louisiana need food, water, and medical supplies. The people evacuated to the Astrodome in Houston need help now. The hundreds of thousands already in shelters need help now. After the people still in New Orleans get evacuated, they will need help too. Many will get these things from the American Red Cross before FEMA can even get down there.

    Yes, the people stranded in the Superdome and Convention Center need immediate help that only the government can provide. But those people are not the only victims, despite what CNN might have you believe.

    The US Government does not pay for, staff, or organize these shelters on its own, and it does not feed these people solely out of our tax money. I don't know where that FEMA budget goes, but it only comes into play days after a disaster. The government bureaucracy is reactive; private charities like the Salvation Army and Red Cross are proactive.

    After Hurricane Hugo, it took a week for FEMA to get off it's collective ass. The Salvation Army was there. The Red Cross was there. The state and local governments were pleading for federal assistance. I was living there at the time, and I luckily did not need any aid. If it'd been up to FEMA, hundreds would have died before getting help.

    It's your money. Give it to whomever you want. Keep it. Use it to pay your taxes, I don't care. But don't tell people that donating money to private charities won't help. It may not drain New Orleans or airlift those people out of the Superdome, but that doesn't make it a scam

  42. Re:Donating from the UK MOD THIS UP PLS by pagaman · · Score: 2, Informative

    No worries. Can some mods please mod up my post? I've managed to donate via the american red cross so It's possible for UK citizens to donate money. No-one is telling us Brits this though...

  43. Linux Zealot though I am... by Hosiah · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The reactions to the storm show characteristic American resistance to clues, including the idea that touchy-feely-Linux can make it better. These people need the necessities, and once we get the necessities handled, it will be time to worry about communications. Of course, if it gets put to the use of helping rescue effort's communications co-ordinating food drops and matching up survivors, then I suppose it can't be all bad.

    But some posters are correct in stating that at least some of the terminals will get looted. Folks, we have nearly a whole state existing in Anarchy. Right now, it's packs of people roving around with nothing but survival on their minds. You know how cranky you get when you miss breakfast? Multiply that times a thousand per person.

    I know that in their place right now, I'd be in a state of panic to save the lives of my family, and about ten million times as impatient with stupidity as I normally am. Anybody handing me anything but food and water and medical supplies at that moment might get killed out of pure pique. Anybody obstructing me would get swatted out of the way like a bug. *That's* how these people feel, and they can't help it. Survival instincts are still hard-wired, despite generations of American sheep-conditioning.

  44. Re:Not really contradictory, even worse by interiot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And FEMA now controls the Nuclear Incident Response Team too! So apparently we won't be responding to nuclear incidents for at least four days either. I'm getting a warm and fuzzy feeling already.

  45. Re:It's sad by scotch · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Committing a sex crime or a violent crime, especially against a child or mentally/physically challenged individual is proof enough that one has no soul ... and with that, I have no problem in watching them burn.

    Which is proof enough that you have no soul.

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  46. Thank You by humankind · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As someone who lives and works in New Orleans and just tonite finally found a place with electricity and net access, I want to say thanks to everyone who is helping with the efforts. Things are really bad for many people.

    Interestingly enough, our main NOC is located in the CBD of New Orleans and is still online as of now, running on a generator. I don't know how long it will last -- but since our generator is located no more than 10 feet above the street level, the water can't be that bad down there.

    Two days ago we donated our generator for the backup NOC to a group that was doing search and rescue - it created a small outage of a few web sites that happened to be situated there (that we're mirroring now to servers out of state), but we felt it was better to put the generator to use to directly help people save lives, as opposed to keeping a few web sites up advertising restaurants that may or may not ever open again.

  47. RFID tracking disaster victims by whitis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wristbands with RFID/barcode/human readable serial number could be used to (voluntarily) track victims like packages. This would, among other things, reduce load on cell phone networks from (often futile) attempts to deterimine the location of missing people or reassure family members. Serial number must include checkdigits at the very least. A random password is also printed on the reverse side (for logging in remotely after leaving area).

    Wristband serial #12345678

    • 2004-08-29T1200 Wristband assigned to victim on board helicopter NG1234 after retrieving from rooftop at latittude/longitude. Status: uninjured
    • 2004-08-29T1205 Audio recording of victims identity recorded (enroute). lat/long.
    • 2005-08-29T1210 Data uploaded to FEMA webservers via Wifi-Satelite uplink ABC123 at New Orleans Superdome (as helicopter approached)
    • 2005-08-29T1211 Email address assigned: 12345678@victims.fema.gov
    • 2005-08-29T1213 Western Union Cash Transfer ID assigned KAT12345678 (this allows people to wire money without knowing the destination. Strong crypto required on RFID tag for verification in case wallet lost).
    • 2005-08-29T1212 Leaving helicopter at latitude/longitude. destination: new orleans superdome.
    • 2005-08-29T1213 data upload
    • 2005-08-29T1220 Swiped entering new orleans astrodome lat/long
    • 2005-08-29T1300 Audio recording transcribed (in, for example topeka, kansas). Spelling errors likely. Name: Jon Q public
    • 2005-08-29T1330 Friend/family member registered for status notifications: Bob Public bpublic@sprintpcs.net
    • 2005-08-29T1400 Name/address entered at data entry station DEF456 at new orleans superdome
      Name: John Q Public
      Address: 1234 Bourboun Street, New Orleans 12345
      Medical Alert: none (private field)
    • 2005-08-29T1430 Checked email at email station QRZ100 at new orleans superdome. station lat/long
    • 2005-08-29T1435 Public message recorded at email station QRZ100. station lat/long.
      Public message:
      I am ok but my cat drowned. Lost my wallet evacuating house. Don't have my address book.
    • 2005-09-02T1000 Leaving new orleans superdome station XYZ456. station lat/long. Destination: bus
    • 2005-09-02T1015 Boarding bus #1234. station lat/long. Destination: Houston astrodome
    • 2005-09-02T1017 Data Upload
    • 2005-09-02T1800 Leaving bus #1234 Destination: Houston astrodome portable station lat/long.
    • 2005-09-02T1812 Entering houston astrodome station lat/long
    • 2005-09-02T1830 Checked email. Email Station UIP888, houston astrodome. station lat/long.
    • 2005-09-02T1845 Visited mobile western union station WU-K-101. Location: houston astrodome lat/long.
    • 2005-09-02T1917 Leaving Houston Astrodome lat/long. Destination: taxi to airport
    • 2005-09-02T2000 Logged into FEMA via internet (from kiosk at houston airport). Public Message: I am taking UA flight 456 to Tucson, AZ. I will be staying at my brother bob's house: 444 main street, tucson AZ 11111, phone: 987-654-3210, email: bob@tucson-online.org
    • 2005-09-02T2100 Logged in via internet. Email Forwarding address set to jpublic@earthlink.net
    • 2005-09-02T2102 Logged in via internet. Snail mail forwarding addre
  48. Donation links on front pages by glass_window · · Score: 2, Informative

    everyone from Microsoft to IBM has a message on their frontpage.

    You mean, "Everyone from (A) Apple to (Z) ZDNet has a message on their frontpage."

  49. Belleweather by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    New Orleans was built in 1717 by French explorers who got lost in the new territory they claimed. But they found a tribal trail from a giant freshwater lake to a stable part of the river that led up into the entire continent, the entire area they called "Louisiana" (from Texas to the Appalachians, from the Gulf to the Great Lakes). They built a walled city for trade and conquest, which prospered. And survived: at high ground, it hasn't been destroyed by any of its frequent storms, though a fire under its 34 year Spanish rule meant rebuilding in the late 1700s.

    It's in a great location for shipping and connection to rail, road and the abundant farmland. The Mississippi River moves a bit, but the value of its strategic location (near the Panama Canal and Venezuela's oil terminals) is vastly superior to any other alternate location for its purpose, with a location more protected from the weather than most of the rest of the Gulf Coast (though now obviously not enough). Development is a question of alternatives, and New Orleans has been the best option for development for literally centuries.

    The city was secure, even under the threat of major hurricanes, through the 1930s. That's when the Army Corps of Engineers installed the wall holding back the lake, with levees, insufficient to withstand a Category 4 (or 5) hurricane. And failed to compensate for the destruction and development of the buffer zone of wetlands between the city and the Gulf. With those centuries-tested natural relief buffers, the city wasn't nearly as threatened by catastrophe. Of course there have been huge benefits from reclaiming land from the lake, though the waste of the Gulf wetlands has little upside beyond real estate agents and vacationers. But those benefits were bought with IOUs to Nature, which has eventually called in the chits. We could have paid more for better systems, but we tried to get off cheap.

    People are talking about replacing New Orleans like it's somehow something that you just do. Like replacing a 50-year heart with a bionic one. Well, people don't do that unless we're forced to, usually after the old one has failed, and a heroic effort is necessary to save us. Which we then do, even after we've raised kids, produced in our careers, had our fun. A city is vastly more than just its economic function, both to its residents and the people who care about them. New Orleans is unique, and irreplaceable.

    The much better question is how America took the city for granted, letting it down in every way, though we've known this catastrophe was inevitable. Along with (Republican) House Majority Leader Dennis Hastert saying it should just get bulldozed, we've got (Republican) president Bush saying "no one could have anticipated the levees would fail" (echoing his lies about the 2001 planebombings of New York City). Those people, and their subordinates, along with the Democratic Senators from Louisiana, and (until last year) the Republican Governor of Louisiana, have blood on their hands. They, like everyone else in charge, abandoned their duty to protect New Orleans. American development is always entirely devoted to the sale to the first customer, regardless of the hidden costs to people left holding the bag. Now we've got our heart ripped out. And so much of our rotten understructure is revealed to the world.

    Yes, we should look at the big picture, at tomorrow's risks we deny when we're making today's sales. We have to look at "total cost of ownership" of more than just Linux, but at whole cities. But we can't blame the victim so much, here: New Orleans, which has delivered so much to American and the world from its unique location. But which has always been shortchanged, paid in scrip. Now that she's destroyed, we have to first look to save her as much as possible. Then look at who's got her blood on her hands, and deal with them. And in the longer term, look at how we let her down, and let ourselves down by losing her. Because New Orleans was possibly the most human city in America, warts and all. How we deal with her and her fate is how we deal with all of our fates.

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  50. Re:Hardly. Bush had to tell 'em to evacuate by Guppy06 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "And why hasn't the media picked up on the story of how utterly incompenent the folks in charge of New Orleans are?"

    Dude, it's Louisiana. Widespread croneyism and nepotism, deep-seated coruption... for Louisiana, especially New Orleans, this is not news.

    A few years back, umpteen term governor (for life) Edwin G. Edwards finally got sentenced on federal corruption charges, sending him up the river to Texas. The most his supporters can say is "Yeah, he was crooked, but he didn't do that particular bit of crookedness." The only reason he's not still governor is newly-enacted term limits in the state's consitution.

    Ever heard of him? Of course not. "Dog bites man" doesn't make the newspapers.

    Saying the folks in the federal government aren't as bad as Louisiana isn't exactly a good defense, and certainly isn't flattering. If anything, it damages the federal government for being compared to Louisiana.

    " There's no trucks to move it around and the roads are blocked anyway, and the people can't get to where the supplies are."

    Again, this is Louisiana. Boudreaux can get on out there in his pirot (which happens fairly often, considering all the flooding the area gets). This would be a great application for the "brown water" Navy we don't seem to have.

  51. Salvation Army by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Salvation Army is famous for being cost-effective.