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iPod nano, iTunes 5, iTunes Phone

adpowers writes "Lots of updates today on the Apple front. First we have the iPod nano, which is an iPod photo-esque replacement for the iPod mini. It comes in 2 and 4 gig varieties and is half the thickness of the mini it replaces. A new iTunes is release as well, which looks similar to Mail.app. I'm not sure I like the cosmetic changes. It also touts an improved search bar, but I can't find an explanation of what that means. Finally, Apple, Motorola, and Cingular announced the ROKR E1, which has the iTunes on a cellular phone. (Theorized last week.) It syncs with iTunes just like an iPod." Coverage of the Apple news extravaganza available at The NYT, Forbes, Gizmodo, Mobiledia, and Macworld.

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  1. but does it run... by fredrickleo · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...well it just might :)

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    1. Re:but does it run... by hunterx11 · · Score: 5, Funny
      Sorry, nope.

      It doesn't run x86 OS X.

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  2. On first look, quite nice by aftk2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ah...now we know why Apple's been buying up flash memory in spades.

    That iPod nano looks ridiculously slick. Heh, and although I imagine I'm going to have my geek card forcibly removed after saying this, my first thought upon seeing it was, "What happened to all the colors?" Granted, it's form over function, but judging by the amount of iPod minis that I've seen, people like the colors.

    Well, fear not: iPod nano tubes: Colorful iPod nano Tubes fit like a glove and offer full Click Wheel control from the outside. (Actually, as someone whose iPod sports an impressive amount of scrapes, I think this is a good idea.)

    That Apple, they think of everything. Now I'm going to go back to waiting for my Dalmation iPod nano tube.

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    1. Re:On first look, quite nice by generic-man · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Look at the original debate about the iPod: $350 for 5 GB. People snapped it up as fast as they could.

      Apple makes a very handsome profit on iPods. You don't have to fill them with iTMS songs (MP3s work just as well) but the pairing of iPod with iTunes now accounts for over a billion dollars annually in sales for Apple.

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    2. Re:On first look, quite nice by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Funny

      That iPod nano looks ridiculously slick.

      Apple marketing department wants you to say. "That iPod nano looks impossibly slick."

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    3. Re:On first look, quite nice by ePhil_One · · Score: 2, Interesting
      iTunes now accounts for over a billion dollars annually in sales for Apple

      Which is why they should be less money

      Except Sales != Profits. Most iTMS money goes to others, like the record company. But at the end of the day, iTMS profits go to improving iTMS, not to giving away iPods like AOL CD's. The iPod is perfectly usable without iTMS (I only buy songs when Pepsi or 7-11 give me credits), so it would be really stupid of Apple to give them away. Besides, if Apple was viciously undercutting competitors like the Archos using iTMS profits, people would scream about "Monopoly power", etc.

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    4. Re:On first look, quite nice by shotfeel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You may have that backwords. Apple makes money on the iPods, not on the iTMS. The iTMS exhists for the sole purpose of selling iPods.

    5. Re:On first look, quite nice by henryhbk · · Score: 4, Insightful
      A public traded company, must (yes must) maximize the profit of its shareholders. Apple is not a non-profit designed to do "good", they are a commercial enterprise designed to make money.

      I'm sure we would all want porsche to sell their cars for $50, and 60" plasma displays for $75, but those companies need to make money too. In a free market economy if a product is overpriced, then people won't buy it. Since it has a 70%+ market share, then I would guess they are doing the right thing...

    6. Re:On first look, quite nice by soft_guy · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is the same price as the mini for the same amount of storage, except now its flash instead of a hard drive.

      If you wanted the best price per unit of storage, you would buy the full sized iPod. The mini was always a bad deal when you factor in the amount of storage and compare it to the larger iPods.

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    7. Re:On first look, quite nice by shotfeel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They (at least the non mini/nano) iPods do have video out (currently allows viewing slide shows on TV). All they really need is the hard/software to decode the video, which is why I'm disappointed it wasn't announced.

    8. Re:On first look, quite nice by hayne · · Score: 5, Insightful
      $199 for 4GB? Don't you find that a bit expensive especially when it's really meant to be an end-unit for their super successful iTMS
      1) I just looked on froogle for: flash memory 4GB
      and didn't see anything offered less than $200 - and that's just one component of the iPod Nano.

      2) Apple makes more money by selling the iPods than it does with the iTMS.

      3) Most songs on people's iPods don't come from the iTMS - so why should Apple provide bargain-priced iPods when they won't necessarily make any profit from them?

    9. Re:On first look, quite nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Apple could make a device with more features, like the Archos, but that would cost too much money for them. Why toy with a winning formula?

      If nobody had ever toyed with a winning formula, we would still be using horses and sailing ships for all our transport needs.

      It's called "progress".

      And I can't help but note that all these new iPod variants could be described as "toying with a winning formula"...

    10. Re:On first look, quite nice by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which is why they should be less money.

      You have a fundamental misunderstanding of why things cost what they do. Things aren't priced based on "fairness," they are priced naturally on market demand.

      So far, the market thinks they are priced nicely.

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    11. Re:On first look, quite nice by shmlco · · Score: 4, Insightful
      What does it mean to "maximize" profit of your shareholders?
      • Would I "maximize" profits by providing good products at a fair price, enabling a steady and dependable stream of customers?
      • Would I "maximize" profits by creating great products at a premium price, ensuring fanatical customer loyalty?
      • Would I "maximize" profits by investing heavily in R&D so that future growth and revenue is possible?
      • Would I "maximize" profits by investing in my employees, minimizing turnover and producing a highly productive, highly motivated, highly competitive workforce?
      And as stated, a company, like, say, Ben & Jerry's can have other values, like having minimal impact and being environmentally friendly. Investors "know" they have those values and that money will go to support them. That's one of the reasons they made the investment.

      In short, as the various approaches to "maximize" show, profit is not always the only, or even the highest, consideration.

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    12. Re:On first look, quite nice by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Don't you find that a bit expensive especially when it's really meant to be an end-unit for their super successful iTMS (additional costs and perhaps even rising costs)?

      Believe that's backwards. iTMS is used to drive sales of iPod, their profit on iTMS is pretty slim.

      Yes, it's sexy, small, and cute but 4GB doesn't do me all that much and I would constantly worry about losing it, damanging it, or out and out destroying it.

      I mean if you want an enormous "portable" music player have at it. Get a good stereo, a car battery, and an AC/DC converter and you're ready to go. Generally, most people want portable players to be small, though.

    13. Re:On first look, quite nice by jaypaulw · · Score: 3, Funny

      *I could care less about the color screen.*

      how much less could you care about it?

    14. Re:On first look, quite nice by billimad · · Score: 3, Funny

      Jobs would have said "insanely slick" I think.

    15. Re:On first look, quite nice by jc42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A public traded company, must (yes must) maximize the profit of its shareholders.

      People keep saying, but I don't believe it's true, in the US or any other country.

      Has any public company anywhere ever been sued for "not maximizing the profit of its shareholders"?

      Now, I do know of cases where stockholder groups have sued a company's officers for taking actions that seriously damaged a company. But that wasn't the claim. The claim was that a public company "must maximize the profit of its shareholders". That's something very different from running the company into the ground. I'm looking for a case in which a company was successfully prosecuted for actions that didn't maximize stockholder profit.

      If there were actually a case to be made here, I'd think that there would be plenty of opportunity. For example, last week both Wal-Mart and Anheuser-Busch sent truckloads of bottled/canned water and food to New Orleans, and handed the food and water out without charge. At least one cell-phone company sent trucks with phones, generators and APs to New Orleans to help with the communication problems. Such actions were very clearly was at the expense of the stockholders. While the DHS may have interfered with these trucks, I'll bet that neither company will be sued by stockholders. Similar cases abound. Every time there's some sort of local emergency, there are always a few companies that start sending aid, at the expense of their stockholders.

      But I've never read of a lawsuit over this.

      Anyone know of any cases that were settled against the company? Anyone know of any cases at all of such a suit even being filed?

      I suspect that short of radical malfeasance, a public company can in fact do as it wishes with its money without fear of being dragged into court by the stockholders. But I'd be interested in reading of evidence to the contrary.

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    16. Re:On first look, quite nice by focitrixilous+P · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There are many ways to profit. You can undercut your competiton in quality and price and make it up in volume, (Wal*Mart, Dell) you can establish a brand name that makes your product more valuable (Ambercrombie, Microsoft) or you can try and establish a brand loyality (Apple, Ford & other car manufacturers). Each company has chosen it's path to "Maximum" profit. Would apple make more by selling these for cheap, but making them seem less desirable to the gadget hounds? Would Wal*Mart make more by not treating their workers like month old bagels, increasing customer service but also increasing costs? Enough rhetorical questions, just pointing out that there are many ways to profit (and more to lose money)

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    17. Re:On first look, quite nice by danaris · · Score: 2, Funny

      2000 called, they want their BS anti-Apple complaint back.

      Dan Aris

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    18. Re:On first look, quite nice by Angostura · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why are you assuming the "must" is a legal must?

      You ask Has any public company anywhere ever been sued for "not maximizing the profit of its shareholders"?

      You should ask: "Has the management of any public company anywhere ever been removed for "not maximizing the profit of its shareholders"?

      Frequently.

    19. Re:On first look, quite nice by eyeruh · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, the answer is yes to both questions.

    20. Re:On first look, quite nice by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2, Informative

      there are no legal channels through which to purchase video content which respects the author's rights.

      Garbage. You can download thousands of free videos at http://www.archive.org/ alone.

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  3. iHuh? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 5, Funny

    "ROKR E1"? Why didn't they call it an iPhone, probably the best name among all of Apple's products? Maybe they let Motorola, which usually prefers unpronouncable alphanumeric soup, pick the name.

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    1. Re:iHuh? by ceejayoz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Considering Motorola makes and sells the phone, it's not surprising that Motorola gets to name it.

      It's not particularly nice looking, either, so Apple probably wouldn't want their style of name on it regardless.

    2. Re:iHuh? by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The names RAZR and ROKR are most likely nods to the text-messaging practice of SHRTNING WRDS 2 TXT QUIKR.

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    3. Re:iHuh? by pavon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The design of the phone doesn't match any of Apples other products either. When I heard Motorolla was building it, I expected a white RAZR which would be more in keeping with the current iPods and the rest of the iSomething line of products.

      This is just, well ... boring. The ROKR E1 design is definately not up to the "shit your pants" standard that Apple has worked hard to acheive.

    4. Re:iHuh? by bmeteor · · Score: 5, Funny

      MOTO has a bit of a BRND IMGE now with TKNG five or six LTTR WRDS, removing a VOWL or two, capitalizing it and GTNG a PRDCT name. Obviously referring to the halo model, the RAZR.

      Seriously though, I'd expect a ROKR E2 soon, in a RAZR design. That'd be sweet.

    5. Re:iHuh? by x136 · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, it's pronounced "Roker" as in "Al Roker." Rokerphone. Free weather updates on the hour, every hour. Oh, and something about music. WEATHER!

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    6. Re:iHuh? by karnal · · Score: 4, Funny

      PRDCT

      That's 5. You can't have five and work for the allmighty MOTO.

      You're fired.

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    7. Re:iHuh? by sammy+baby · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I dobut that'll happen. I have a Motorola V550, and used bluetooth to transfer a small mp3 to the phone, just to see if I could set it as a ringtone. Worked with no problem. Now, whenever my wife calls me, I get the first few bars of "Fell in love with a girl," by the White Stripes.

      Since the capability existed prior to the iTunes features, I doubt they'd strip it out, but hey, stranger things have been known to happen.

      (I only went through this exercise because it pissed me off that wireless companies would charge two bucks for a cheesy polyphonic ringtone, but that I could get the actual song online at iTunes for US$.99.)

    8. Re:iHuh? by koehn · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, it's pronounced "Roker" as in "Al Roker." Rokerphone. Free weather updates on the hour, every hour. Oh, and something about music. WEATHER!

      And I suppose we can expect the phones we buy today to be half the thickness and half the weight in a few years?

    9. Re:iHuh? by bmeteor · · Score: 4, Funny

      Um sir, its YURE FIRD.

      I'll be cleaning my desk out now :-)

    10. Re:iHuh? by op12 · · Score: 2

      But considering the phone only holds 100 songs...

      If by 100 you mean 1,000, then yes.

  4. No firewire, USB 2.0 by ce25254 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Nano spec says USB 2.0 only -- and no firewire -- this means I don't think I can plug it into my MDD PowerMac. :-(

    1. Re:No firewire, USB 2.0 by justforaday · · Score: 2, Informative

      Since it has a dock connector, I'm assuming that you just need to get a firewire/dock cable. They more or less ditched firewire as the stock connector when they switched to color screens on the regular lineup a few months ago.

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    2. Re:No firewire, USB 2.0 by ashpool7 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Look at the requirements on the tech specs page. Under "connectivity" it does not mention firewire. However, under Power and Battery it says: "Charging via USB or FireWire to computer system or power adapter"

      So, who knows.

    3. Re:No firewire, USB 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      I just got one from a local reseller that put them on sale earlier this afternoon. Apple seemed to plan this pretty well as compared to other launches, where the new product wasn't available *anywhere* for weeks. Anyway, yes, it is indeed the exact same interface and the firewire cable from my clickwheel iPod works exactly as it should.

    4. Re:No firewire, USB 2.0 by javaxman · · Score: 2, Informative
      I believe that since it uses a normal dock connector, if you buy a firewire cable it should work fine (just like new minis only come with usb cable, but firewire cable if you have it works fine...)

      I wish that were the case, but unless Apple's posted specs are wrong, that's not the case. Firewire is listed under "Power and Battery" at the bottom, as a method for charging, but under "Mac System Requirements" is

      Macintosh computer with USB port (USB 2.0 recommended)

      Mac OS X v10.3.4 or later

      I actually hadn't noticed the little 10.3.4 gottcha there at the end, either...

      It does seem to indicate that I could use USB1.1 to transfer ( unlike the shuffle ) ... though, yuck, I can see why that would be 'not recommended' for 4GB of data transfer !!!

      So, I guess I could update to Tiger, and use USB1.1 to transfer data, and Firewire to charge... but I'm not going to. Flat-panel G4 iMac users are sorta out of luck with this one... unless they're willing to transfer 2-4 gigs at USB1.1 speeds, I guess.

  5. just ordered on in black by OctoberSky · · Score: 5, Funny

    No I am not a apple whore, I get the education discount (which they didn't ask for?). I was going to order a regular 20gig last week but knew something was coming out today so I looked, liked, liked price, and ordered.

    Free engraving on back...

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  6. Obligatory Strongbad Plug by Nuclear+Elephant · · Score: 3, Funny

    iPod nano, which is an iPod photo-esque replacement for the iPod mini

    I can see strongbad promoting these now. "It's not just photo-esque. It's danger-esque."

  7. iPod nano by game+kid · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thick as a pencil and much more fun.1

    1 Do not nervously bite iPod nano.

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    1. Re:iPod nano by Ubergrendle · · Score: 3, Funny

      Its not even as good as the iPod Flea.

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  8. Quicktime 7 for Win by GreyedOut · · Score: 5, Informative

    With iTunes 5 also comes Quicktime 7 for Windows.

  9. Re:Flash or HDD based? by MasterOfUniverse · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, its flash. Look here http://www.apple.com/ipodnano/specs.html at the bottom Technical Specifications: iPod nano.

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  10. It's a shame about Cingular by fredrickleo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just yesterday I was reading about how crap Cingular service is. You'd think they would have just released the phone and allowed the customer to choose a carrier.

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  11. iPod nano by mfender9 · · Score: 4, Funny

    No video. Thicker than a human hair. Lame.

  12. New Search by godawful · · Score: 4, Informative

    The new search is kinda snazzy, type a few letters and you get a little bar that lets you narrow it down by all, music, audiobooks,pod casts, videos, booklets, etc etc, certainly helpful for those with large catalogs

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    1. Re:New Search by dnquark137 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The search bar is nice, but when, oh when will iTunes allow me to search library from within a playlist??? Here's how this could work: from a playlist, 1. Say, Ctrl+click into search box Do a search, screen would split into a search results pane on top, current playlist on the bottom. 2. Drag the song you want to where you want it in the playlist. I hate having to: 1. Click "Library" 2. Click the search box 3. Drag the song to the tiny playlist name entry in the left-hand pane. 4. Click on the playlist name 5. Drag the song to where I want it in the list. This is something everyone does quite often. Making such a common procedure take 5 steps as opposed to 2 makes no sense at all. Hello, Apple!

  13. More like a Shuffle by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 5, Informative

    This thing replaces the ipod mini, no doubt, but really it's more the size/weight of a shuffle... very sweet. It's THINNER than the shuffle fer chrissakes!

    Size comparison:

    Shuffle: 3.3 x 0.98 x 0.33
    Nano: 3.5 x 1.6 x 0.27
    iPod: 4.1 x 2.4 x 0.63

    Weight comparison:

    Shuffle: .78 ounce
    Nano: 1.5 ounces
    iPod: 5.9 ounces

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    1. Re:More like a Shuffle by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, it's what I've always dreamed of: I can watch (according to Apple) 25 000 "semester photos" on a display as big as my thumb nail.

      Jupp, that's great news! No problems to see what you're looking at. Not at all...


      This device is not intended to offer all the features of the iPods with video out. They have photo support just because they can. People do like to use ipods to temporarily store pictures for whatever reason. I think the primary reason for the color screen on this is because it looks better than black and white. Plus showing the album art is helpful.

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  14. Theorized? by pipegeek · · Score: 3, Funny
    (Theorized last week.)

    It's been theorized? Awesome! I've been waiting for one of these that could play Ogg...

  15. Re:iDuh by saddino · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because it's not an Apple product.

    It's a Motorola/Cingular product that has an exclusive license.

    (and regardless, according to the USPTO, the IPHONE trademark is live for at least two registered companies—both marks involve phones, natch— so Apple's claim to such a mark is tenuous)

  16. nano comes in black by justforaday · · Score: 2

    The nano comes in both white and black (see here and click the "black" link under the picture). Gotta say that it does look pretty nice.

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  17. Does iTunes 5 fix volume adjustment? by imputor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does iTunes 5 fix the issue where volume adjustment settings aren't transfered over to the iPod? A quiet song forces you to turn up the volume, and followed by a loud song, this can blow your eardrums! The only thing I truly HATE about my iTunes/iPod.

    1. Re:Does iTunes 5 fix volume adjustment? by Otto · · Score: 5, Informative

      Volume adjustment already works in iTunes/iPod. Turn on Sound Check on both iTunes and the iPod. Wait for it to finish scanning your library (it'll say "Determining Song Volume"), then resync with the iPod.

      Works great for me.

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  18. Apple, Please improve your Beta system! by frostilicus2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think that I have just discovered an "undocumented feature" in iTunes 5 :

    when "show duplicate songs" is selected from the edit menu, non-duplicate songs are displayed if the track name and artist are identical in both tracks. Surely it would be a better idea to calculate an md5 checksum or perhaps use CDDB data in order to prevent this.
    I would have thought that this issue should be obvious...

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  19. Apple & Motorola Press Releases by necro2607 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Press releases here, for those interested in more detailed information..

    Apple iPod nano
    Apple iTunes phone
    Motorola ROKR

  20. Thank goodness! by ChePibe · · Score: 3, Funny

    My iPod Mini is just so large, bulky, and thick! It's about time Apple did something to make audio players small and portable!

  21. ROKR questions by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    • Why can't you sync iTunes via BlueTooth, since the phone actually has BT? First the mini mouse, now this.
    • Will this phone be a full iSync citizen, or at least as much as other Moto phones? via BT?
    • Can you use this phone as a Cell modem? Via BT? And why is it not EDGE capable?
    • Can you sync photos via iPhoto?
    • Can you purchase ringtones via iTunes?
    I wish this was more of an iPhone, with the above features, than just some phone with iTunes slapped on it. As it is, it looks pretty half-baked, and I'm sorry to see Apple endorse it. I think I'm holding out until v 2.0 at least.
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    1. Re:ROKR questions by Cutriss · · Score: 3, Informative

      I wouldn't blame Apple or Motorola. Motorola makes some excellent kit, but then companies like Cingular and Verizon make them strip it to little more than a credit card with an antenna.

      The odds are very, very good that an enterprising hacker would be able to unlock full BT functionality on this phone.

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    2. Re:ROKR questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Given that the average song is several megabytes of data, syncing over Bluetooth would be impractical in the extreme.

    3. Re:ROKR questions by Moofie · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Why can't you sync iTunes via BlueTooth"

      Because it would take a month. BT is handy, but it's sure not fast.

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    4. Re:ROKR questions by Have+Blue · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Have you ever tried to copy 256MB over Bluetooth? It's just not worth it. I'm sure someone will do it to prove it can be done, but it's not ready to replace cables (or 802.11) for bulk data transfer.

    5. Re:ROKR questions by itcomesinwaves · · Score: 3, Funny

      So... you admit that it would be totally EXTREME!!

    6. Re:ROKR questions by dcam · · Score: 2, Informative

      Motorola makes some excellent kit

      I can't comment on the hardware side of things, but Motorolla's software is rubbish. Counter-intuitive, slow and annoying. I owned a T720, which I was very happy to drop for a Nokia 6230.

      I thought it was just me, but my brother-in-law has the same experience with his new motorolla phone. Having spent the money to buy a top of the line Motorolla phone, he wants to dump it for something that has a usable interface.

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  22. Disappointing phone by AC-x · · Score: 2, Informative

    Rather then a new take on the mobile phone Apple are simply peddling an average Motorola phone that just happens to be preloaded with an iTunes player. It doesn't even look any good (especially compared to the V3). They may as well have just made a java version of iTunes player.

    On the other hand iPod nano looks pretty cool (good in black as well), be interesting to see inside one of them (hopefully pictures should appear any moment :), I'd guess it still uses CF media but that's practically the entire height of the unit.

  23. Re:Odd... by ModernGeek · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think it detects what your OS is, and then shows either the mac or windows version. I'm on my mac mini right now, and the screenshot is of the mac version.

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  24. ROKR E1 by Sarcastic+Assassin · · Score: 2, Informative

    Is it just me, or does anyone else detest the styling of the ROKR E1? If Motorola can release something as slick as the Razr (even if they can't spell it right), you'd think they'd be able to at least make it look nicer than some crap phone from three or four years ago. I personally think the iTunes phone would be better as a clamshell design, or some other, more crazy design I have yet to imagine... However, the phone seems to be multifunctional, allowing you to store music and data, to the tune (pun intended) of 512MB of total storage (from what I can gather from the FAQ) Apple definitely deserves props for the iPod nano. Wow, that thing looks amazing... Also, props to Apple for delivering what looks like a great new iTunes release.

  25. audio quality? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder how it will compare to the ipod shuffle.

    I didn't believe it until I got one (as a gift) but the shuffle has the best audio quality I've heard short of an external DAC into an spdif stream. its noisy (biased transistors in output stage?) but it has actual bass and enough drive to power headphones without distorting.

    if this nano has the same audio or better, it will blow the market away for those that CARE about sound as well as the features of the player.

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  26. iTunes Linux Support by bosewicht · · Score: 5, Funny

    If Apple wants to be really shocking they should start supporting Linux. There is a growing market out there that they are just ignoring.

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    1. Re:iTunes Linux Support by bedouin · · Score: 4, Funny

      Right, a growing market of people who don't like paying for things.

    2. Re:iTunes Linux Support by WillAdams · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Interesting and scary.

      If Apple were to do this, the best thing to do would be to re-write ITunes as a Cocoa app (a good thing) and resurrect ``Yellow Box'' for Windows (something which Apple shied away from) and up-date enough of GNUstep to make iTunes work there by just recompiling (something which Apple is probably worried about 'cause then people could run more software on Linux instead of Mac OS X)

      William

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    3. Re:iTunes Linux Support by dr.badass · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...up-date enough of GNUstep to make iTunes work there by just recompiling (something which Apple is probably worried about 'cause then people could run more software on Linux instead of Mac OS X)

      1) Apple has no connection to GNUstep.
      2) The number of people running GNUstep is miniscule.
      3) Very little Mac OS X software could be "just recompiled" to run on Linux/GNUStep. Apple has nothing to fear.

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    4. Re:iTunes Linux Support by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 4, Informative

      So far removed that the letters are all jumbled and say "BSD"!

      Sigh...

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  27. Quicktime 7 for Windows (standalone installer) by .Spyder78. · · Score: 5, Informative

    Quicktime 7 without iTunes can be found here... http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/standalone .html

  28. I wonder if the ROKR can use the same cable.. by VitrosChemistryAnaly · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...as the iPod?

    'Cause if it can then I can use my computer to charge my phone and my current iPod car charger to charge the phone

    Then I wouldn't have to buy any accessories!

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  29. No more apples for me by DrCode · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My experience with my daughter's Ipod Mini has not been overwhelmingly positive:

    On Windows XP, syncing to it in ITunes (via USB) causes Windows to reboot about half the time.

    On Linux, syncing more than a few songs at a time (in gtkpod) causes a bunch of hardware errors, resulting in the partition being set to read-only. (So I guess Linux is a little more robust in dealing with hardware problems.)

    1. Re:No more apples for me by rabbit994 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why does WIndows reboot? Have you thought about checking the Event Viewer to see why?

      Linux isn't supported so what do you expect?

    2. Re:No more apples for me by sk1tch · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Are you seriously blaming a Windows crashing problem on something besides Windows? Step back and think about that for a moment.

      I got a freeipod.com ipod, noticed how it just worked when I wanted it to, no stupidity involved. This inspired me to get a PowerBook, and guess what? It works. All the time.

      Apple makes awesome hardware. Microsoft makes bad OS's. I dunno about your gtkipod problem though. Good luck with it.

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    3. Re:No more apples for me by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Those kinds of incompatibilities are why Apple's control of hardware and software makes for such reliable computers.

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    4. Re:No more apples for me by QuaZar666 · · Score: 2, Informative

      then you have some seriously wrong with your Mac. Run DFA and fsck on the thing first off. I have several macs here, and am around macs all day at work and usual culprits are login items, directory structure damage, some weird application that installed some weird sys pref item that installed itself, system level fonts, sometimes hardware but not as common as everything else.

    5. Re:No more apples for me by themonkman · · Score: 2, Informative

      If your having GTKpod problems, especially when it deals with the mounting of the iPods internal hard drive, you might want to visit a tutorial on my blog. I used to have very similar problems, and found a solution to them. http://www.superpatriot.net/blog/sky_monkey/?archi ve=465

  30. Re:Headphone jack by Gogo+Dodo · · Score: 2, Informative

    With the nano being so thin, they probably couldn't stack the screen on top of the jack. So it was either move the jack to the bottom or move the screen down.

  31. Conspiracy Theory by mobilesteve · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you look at what song is playing in iTunes, you'll see it is from the new Kanye West CD.

    I wonder if Apple picked a song from that Artist based on the recent comments he made during the Hurrican Relief Fund?

    Could just be that he has a new CD out, or the person making the page was listening to the CD at the time, but I love a good conspiracy theory

  32. GARGH! by th3space · · Score: 2, Funny

    Damnit...I just got my stupid Shuffle. Now they come out with this for not much more money? I feel inadequate all of a sudden. :(

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  33. Not compatible with mt-daapd by uthanda · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not sure if this is true with other open-source DAAP sharing programs and servers, but at least with mt-daapd (not linking to avoid Slashdotting them, search Google for mt-daapd), iTunes 5.0 returns a "The shared music library 'name' is not compatible with this version of iTunes".

    I assume there with be a workaround, but for the moment, don't upgrade if you rely on this functionality (like I do).

  34. Re:Re-releasing the same products... by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The fact that people continue buying these products over and over again seems to refute your argument.

    If competitors are releasing music AND video players 'for cheaper', and not making money, maybe it means two things:

    1) Bad product
    2) No market

    If the competitors make a bad product, then of course the only remainging good product (iPod) will win. Apple just has to wait, review the market, and keep designing until it has a good product, even if it's a couple years late. Would you rather have a bad product now, or a good one next year?

    If there is no market, then what's the point?

  35. New look for iTunes by ddefenba · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The new iTunes no longer has the brushed metal window. Is this the beginning of the end for brushed metal? I wouldn't be surprised to see all of Apple's apps move towards this new look by the time they release 10.5. My personal preference: good riddance brushed metal.

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  36. Re:Re-releasing the same products... by bedouin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I mean look at Nintendo, they have released how many Gameboy Advance systems (3?) all with the same exact functionality.

    They only released two that I know of, but I could just be out of the loop.

    The GBA SP added functionality, like a built in rechargeable battery and backlit display, all at the same price as the previous model.

    The iPod nano offers flash memory, increased battery life, a color display, ability to play photos, in a much smaller package. There's tons of added functionality.

    while many, many competitors have been releasing music *and* video players for almost 4 years now *for cheaper than apple's music only players*..

    I can release a cell phone the size of a VCR, have it play DVDs, DivXs, run various emulators, and do my taxes, that doesn't change the fact that it's poorly designed and not very attractive. Apple is about simplicity. If you want a swiss army knife MP3 player then there's manufactures catering to you, but you're a minority in that desire.

  37. But is it accessible? by beetle496 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    One long standing complaint is that iTunes has not been sufficiently compatible with the screen readers used by the blind. This, in turn, has meant that the various iPods -- even the shuttle with no screen -- are not accessible.

    This release, despite the whole digit change, doesn't change this. This is all the more ironic since Tiger now ships with an integrated spoken user interface! Blind folks, as a generalization, are at least as passionate about music and technology as the rest of us. This is a real shame.

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  38. ROKR Availability in Canada through Rogers by necro2607 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The ROKR will be available in Canada exclusively from Rogers Wireless, according to this Motorola Canada site. Too bad there isn't more detailed information though. Rogers Wireless' site has no information on the phone or its pending availability unfortunately.

  39. Sports? Features? Has? by sanctimonius+hypocrt · · Score: 5, Funny
    It also touts an improved search bar, but I can't find an explanation of what that means.

    Open a console and type

    dict tout
  40. Not Impressed by aluminumcube · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I am totally disappointed with the Moto phone.

    - It is substantially ugly. The basic shape is OK, but then it has the vented sides and all sorts of useless depressions, lines and curves. I would have expected Apple to demand some quality ID out of Moto (and we know Moto can do it, the RAZR and upcoming SLVR are very hot).

    - The dynamics of the phone market suck for releasing new technology. Phone handsets are way overpriced for the consumer and rely on those pesky contracts. Sure the ROKR looks OK now, but how is it going to look a year from now when better stuff is available and your locked into that contract? To me, this is a major problem with the cell phone market- there are numerous technology improvements going on IRT data rates, camera quality, wireless features, design, etc... but the carrier contract lockin puts a significant strain in consumer's ability to acquire such technology at a reasonable price.

    - The capacity on the ROKR sucks. 100 songs? That's less then 512mb. If your going to lock people into an MP3 playing cellphone for 2 years, give them some real capacity and/or an SD expansion slot. Hell, the slot doesn't even need to be readily accessible, throw it behind the battery (because I don't know if iTunes can manage an iPod device with removable storage) so people can upgrade as they see fit.

    - It looks huge. I don't get it how they can make a tiny cellphone (again, the RAZR and it's upcoming SLVR brother) and a tiny MP3 player (the Nano and the Shuffle), but when you throw these devices together, you end up with a product that is bigger the the stand alone components tapped together even though the most space hogging portions are combined (buttons, enclosure).

    Apple gets how to design a product and Motorola, while they have had some success, really needs to let Apple take the lead on ID/Product design. Moto should focus on the wireless tech, dealing with the FCC and cell carriers and manufacturing.

  41. DalmatiAn? by acariquara · · Score: 2, Funny


    That Apple, they think of everything. Now I'm going to go back to waiting for my Dalmation iPod nano tube.


    It's called a Dogcow. Moof.

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  42. $50 more, 2GB less by blamanj · · Score: 2

    OK, so the display is color. However, if I'm interested in a music player, want music. I see the nano as a step backwards because the 4GB mini was $199, so I either get half the storage for the same price, or I pay $50 more for that 4G.

    1. Re:$50 more, 2GB less by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 5, Interesting
      OK, so the display is color. However, if I'm interested in a music player, want music. I see the nano as a step backwards because the 4GB mini was $199, so I either get half the storage for the same price, or I pay $50 more for that 4G.

      I agree with you, but we are possibly in the (or a) minority.

      I said the same thing when the iPod mini came out: you could get another model of iPod at the time which was 10GB, and $50 more than the 4GB. I pointed this out to people. The response? Either 'but it comes in colours' or 'but its so small'. Lesson learned, people put a huge premium on the size/shape/appearance of the thing. The Shuffle underscores this.

      Kinda too bad, I always liked the Mini body the best, with the metal... maybe it was deemed too heavy. So yes from a stats point of view it seems a bit daft but the market reaction sure seems to bear out Apple's thinking. I was also surprised that the battery life on the Nano is a touch less than a regular iPod... I guess a smaller battery overall.. but usually flash memory gives you a big power savings (eaten up in the Nano by that colour screen no doubt).

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    2. Re:$50 more, 2GB less by dr.badass · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I see the nano as a step backwards because the 4GB mini was $199, so I either get half the storage for the same price, or I pay $50 more for that 4G.
       
      ...and for $50 more than that you can get 20GB instead of 4GB.

      This is just how smart companies price products. It's like a big fat arrow pointing up the ladder. They don't really care if you think it's a good deal: they want you to spend as much as you can convince yourself to.

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    3. Re:$50 more, 2GB less by Laxitive · · Score: 2, Interesting


      I'm one of those people. I knew very well what the costs were. I'm well aware of how much space 4GB is compared to 15 or 20GB.

      Secondly, I am by no means an apple whore. The iPod mini is the only apple product I have ever bought in my entire life.

      I don't give a shit, I like the mini better. It's smaller, it's cuter. I don't care if it was the same price as big ipod, I would have bought the mini. Hell, I'd probably have paid up to $50 more for the mini than for the larger ipod.

      Aesthetics matter. The marginal value of an extra 10 gigs of space is not worth the marginal cost of the larger size and non-rounded edges for me (don't care about the colors really, I got a silver iPod mini).

      Anyway. Now I'm wondering how much I can sell this thing for and use the cash to a nano with.

      -Laxitive

    4. Re:$50 more, 2GB less by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Yeah, it only has 2/4 gigs, compared to 20, but that tradeoff versus the size is a total no-brainer for me. Besides, 4 gigs of music should keep me going for a pretty darn long time. There are other brands out there that have players that are also small and have a screen, but none of them has the aesthetically pleasing design and tactile feel of the iPods.

      Sure, I get it. It was a no-brainer for my girlfriend also. But for me, personally, I still like the original idea of the iPod: all your music with you all the time. I have an old 10gig one (2nd gen still going strong! I got a miracle battery, I guess) and I just cannot see myself going down from 10 gigs, now that I've had it. That's the difference. I have about 20 gigs of music and I still hate having to pick and choose. I've become totally spoiled. So while I dig the small form factor, I (again personally) fall on the side of slightly bigger, way more storage. I don't consider my view to be 'correct', its just another view. I get the Smaller is Better thing. But I just have a lot of damn music I want with me.

      Apple provides this, its just called a regular iPod, and that's the segment I fall into. They are smart to go with this stepped approach, roughly $50 between each model up the chain.

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    5. Re:$50 more, 2GB less by crankyspice · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Lesson learned, people put a huge premium on the size/shape/appearance of the thing. The Shuffle underscores this.

      Or there may be very real, practical considerations that upset the 'bang for the buck' equation. For instance, when I bought an iPod, I wanted something I could wear exercising. The mini fit the bill, as the smallest and lightest then-available iPod. Sure, other iPods had a lot more capacity for not much more money, but they were also a lot bigger and heavier; the mini fit my intended use.

      Of course, there was still room for improvement, and when the shuffle came out, I snapped one up. For a 1 hour workout, capacity isn't that big a deal; I Auto Fill it every morning and I'm good to go. The shuffle is also delightfully low maintenance, owing at least partially to the flash storage and the lack of a backlit (or any) screen; I can toss it in a corner and pick it up a week later and it still plays. My mini's battery needs to be recharged if it sits more than a day or two. So for a grab-it-and-go solution the shuffle wins hands-down; what it lacks in capacity and interface it more than gains in transparency (you forget you're wearing it, it's that light and small), lack of worry (at $79, if it gets destroyed it's not that big a deal), etc.

      My mom and I both have shuffles and minis and they fit our comparable lifestyles. My brother, who doesn't exercise and wants only to be able to carry a little device for car listening, instead of the huge binders of CDs he used to truck around (especially now that he lives in the city and parks on the curb and had to carry all that weight/bulk in every night or risk losing a window -- though probably not the CD collection, unless the thieve(s) were into obscure, bad death rock and bootleg CD-Rs) has a single high-capacity iPod 4G and is exceedingly happy with it. For him, the capacity/cost ratio is the controlling factor.

      Not for me. I'll be getting a nano immediately; I've been bicycle-commuting and wearing my mini on an armband; this will be a nice replacement for that, with all that I love about the shuffle and all I occasionally miss about the mini (the capacity; the shuffle's great at the gym, the mini's better trekking to/from work and on errands).

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  43. Imagine if you will by CKnight · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My bluetooth enabled car not only linking to my phone to give me handsfree capabilities, but also streaming audio directly to the stereo system.

    BMW has (at least) one model car that interfaces with your ipod, so the thought isn't that far fetched.

    1. Re:Imagine if you will by Tycho · · Score: 3, Informative

      There is a specification for transfering stereo audio over Bluetooth. I have a Bluewave from Macally, which is a set of Bluetooth headphones with a Bluetooth transmitter for an iPod. With a headphone extension cable the transmitter could be used with anything with a headphone jack. There are several problems with the Bluewave. One is that both the transmitter and the headphones each uses two AAA batteries which isn't enough power, as the set only lasts about four hours, but that is not the fault of the Bluetooth spec. At any rate, the worst thing that happened to me was that the connection was lost and all I heard was loud static. Turning the headset and transmitter off and then back on fixed it though. On the other hand, the headset of the Bluewave has a 1/8" jack so it could be used wirelessly with a cassette adaptor in a car, but why?

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  44. Vorbis by pete-classic · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm so ready to buy that iPod nano. The second it supports Vorbis.

    Come on, guys. ALL my music is in Vorbis. Help me out here.

    -Peter

    1. Re:Vorbis by tim_olsen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      encode in FLAC. then transcode to any lossy format you want on demand.

  45. RE: Duplicate song detection. by soft_guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You make a very good point. I have lots of songs that would be "false duplicates" because they are alternative versions of the same song by the same artist (live album vs. studio recording, etc.)

    Of course, calcing an MD5 would not find duplicates that are actually two differents rips of the same song, say at different rates or two downloads from eDonkey of the same song, etc. But it would find cases where the file got accidentally duplicated. Like if you have to move your music collection onto another disk or something.

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  46. Re:Digital Photographers rejoice by tomcio.s · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm not sure of the speed of the flash memory in these things but how long before photographers start buying these things to strip the CF cards?
    One word - Never.

    Why? Because any self respecting photographer will not murk around with hacks (remember, you still have to provide the interface - be it compact flash, etc. soldering required) when near 100% reliability is needed - i.e. in their work.

    Most photographers I know, myself included, will spend extra cash on memory based on its perfomance and reliability. So destroying nanos is not going to be popular at all.

    Just my 2 cents.

  47. It's a Motorola Phone, not an iPod. by Zombie · · Score: 4, Interesting
    There seems to be lots of confusion about this. It's a Motorola phone. In fact, it's an exact copy of my E398, only with "sound" now as an extra hard button instead of a soft button.

    Which means:

    • Transflash card. It's really tiny, the size and thickness of my pinky nail
    • Tri-band
    • USB 2.0, and you get to choose between it exposing the flash card as a USB disk device, or a modem. Cable included
    • Stereo speakers. It's really cool to hold it just about 20-30cm from your face and hear pretty good stereo sound
    • Earphones
    • Bluetooth, and yes, you can copy MP3's that way too
    • Groovy multi-coloured lights on both sides of the phone
    • Speakerphone
    • Camera with a powerful led instead of a flash. Doubles as a flashlight
    And the downsides
    • Sluggish user interface
    • Blurry 640x480 camera. Taking into account the previous point, when you press "capture," you get to wait 2 seconds for the snapshot to be taken
    • Buggy. Crashes on you, especially when the battery is low
    • Really bad mpeg-4 playback. The user interface stops responding when it's playing. Sound may crap out. It will only do a bitrate so low that the picture has severe compression artifacts
    • Limited functionality in BlueTooth. The only decent BlueTooth phone I've ever seen is a SonyEricsson
    • No voice recording (duh), but I'm under the impression that that's a hidden feature that you can enable with a hack
    Of course, the specs of the ROKR may vary, and the MP3 navigation is beyond a doubt better than on the E398, but it won't be far off.
  48. Rhythmbox working on it... by VValdo · · Score: 5, Informative
    From the Rhythmbox development list, they're working on:

    In development, but coming soon...

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  49. iTunes now supports VBR AAC too! by Otto · · Score: 5, Informative

    Along with everything else in QT 7, iTunes now allows you to encode AAC in VBR mode. FINALLY!

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  50. OT: Profit Maximization Requirement? by rossifer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A public traded company, must (yes must) maximize the profit of its shareholders.

    False. Even without clarifying your statement to include "legal profit", other concerns can be placed above the interests of the shareholders as long as they are clearly communicated (usually in the bylaws of the corporate charter).

    Just because most (almost all) companies choose to put profit above all other concerns doesn't mean that all companies do. Or should.

    Regards,
    Ross

  51. ROKR vs. Treo by guacamolefoo · · Score: 2, Informative

    I felt a tinge of regret for a nano second after seeing the iPod phone release. What's the big deal? My Treo 650 plays video, it displays pictures, it plays mp3 files (I have a 512mb card stuffed into it and could get bigger ones pretty easily), it takes pictures (not great, just VGA, but nice for a phone), and it takes movies w/ sound, which have been a nice addition to my personal blog or my family (mostly pictures of the chilluns). Oh yeah, it also works as a PDA and a phone.

    I don't see why the iPod phone is that big a deal. The Treos have been able to play mp3s for a while now. Too bad palm didn't name them r0x0rz or whatever. Apple is so about image.

    Give me a Treo any day of the week.

    1. Re:ROKR vs. Treo by solive1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Apple is so about image.

      Even though Apple is about image, this particular case is about Motorola trying to associate itself with Apple via iTunes. The Motorola phone is not good looking at all, and the only advantage to it is that it is iTunes enabled. I, for one, won't be getting it anytime soon. Hopefully, the less discerning iPod/iTunes junkies will realize this as well (but don't bet on it).

  52. Make your own ROKR by jitterysquid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Buy iPod nano.
    Buy 5 cents of sticky velcro.
    Attach to existing phone.

    Pros:
    Listening to tunes won't drain your phone battery.
    Doesn't cost 250 USD (only 200).
    Doesn't tie you to Cingular for 2 years.
    About as thick as older phone models.
    Holds 5 times the songs.
    Can be undone at any time.

    Cons:
    Applying sticky substance to shiny new iPod.
    Everyone will point and laugh.

    1. Re:Make your own ROKR by SeaFox · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Cons:
      Applying sticky substance to shiny new iPod.
      Everyone will point and laugh.


      You forgot:

      Phone will not automatically pause music when call comes in.

      Not that the pros don't still far outweigh the cons.

  53. Re:??? by JonKatzIsAnIdiot · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm sorry, but was that a comment or a press release? It's a little hard to judge from here.

    Not that I'd be one to accuse the indefectible Apple of astroturfing, no, nothing like that.

  54. Re:Re-releasing the same products... by Anm · · Score: 2, Funny

    Speaking of which, shouldn't the iPod Nano be called the iPod Micro? I mean they just skipped a SI measurement didn't they?

    Are you suggesting there is such thing as a mini-meter or a mini-gram?

    Anm

  55. new iTunes look by stew-a-cide · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How hard is it for Apple to give iTunes anti-aliased corners like every single other window in OSX? As if the old jaggies weren't bad enough, now they've just given up and squared them off! (not consistent with any other style in OSX, including the new plastic-look Mail.app). Even something as custom and cross-platform as RealPlayer manages it.

    In general I understand Apple motivation for adding this new style - brushed metal is getting overplayed, and for good reason generally since it allows custom controls and layouts to be integrated in a nicer way than with aqua - but I think it's really badly done. The only nicely done plastic app I've seen so far is Camino (Mail.app and this new iTunes are travesties)...

    1. Re:new iTunes look by uiucmatse · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, the corners are very strange, as they're not rounded at all.

      If you look closely, say, by turning on Zoom in the Universal Access System Preference, the corners don't appear to be curved. They're at a 45-degree angle.

      They look like this:

      Top of window
      -----
                \ -corner
                |
                | --side of window
                |

      Very strange. I've never seen a window like that on a Mac. And it's a very ugly corner; you can see the individual three pixels stair-stepping down.

      Does anybody thinkg this looks a lot more like a Windows Vista window?

      But thank god, it's not brushed metal anymore. I'll take just about anything instead of that crap.

      Oh, and I need more character to balance out my pitiful ASCII art. Anyway, another site just pointed out it looks a lot like the old SoundJam application upon which iTunes is based. I don't think so for the window itself, but when you look at the display, wow, it does.

  56. Can You Put People on Hold with Your Music? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I just always wanted to do that.

  57. Obligatory by dantheman82 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Still No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.

    And, one other precious gem from the original...
    Raise your hand if you have iTunes...

    Raise your hand if you have a FireWire port ...

    Raise your hand if you have both ...

    Raise your hand if you have $400 to spend on a cute Apple device ...

    There is Apple's market. Pretty slim, eh? I don't see many sales in the future of iPod.

    ~LoudMusic
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  58. what I want in my next cell phone.. by gonar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't want to haul around a phone, MP3 player, camera, PDA, notebook etc.

    what I want is one device, the size of my cell phone that combines all the
    features of these devices.

    what I want in this device:
    size of my current cellphone (Audiovox cdm-9900)
    cell phone features at least as good as current + mp3 ringtones
    2MP 3x optical zoom camera w/ VGA/30fps movie mode
    industry standard flash memory card/data in industry standard storage format
    read and write files on flash card using standard tools in windows,
    linux and macos
    play MP3 and mpeg/mp4/divx (at VGA/30fps when driving remote display)
    (limitation to proprietary formats unacceptable, but support for proprietary
    formats in addition to standard formats desirable)
    PDA capabilities equal to palm pilot/zaurus/WINCE (assume primary data
    input by keyboard in desktop mode)
    wireless keyboard/mouse/display/headphone/microphone/networ king support

    minimum 48 hours standby battery life/4 hours active use time (remote
    desktop/mobile mode)

    USB master/slave capability using standard cables

    I want to be able to access _all_ data on this device from a usb/wireless
    connected system as if I were looking at a hard drive/network drive

    beyond solitaire/free cell/tetris/minesweeper level gaming, I dont care
    about gaming performance.

    graphics performance equivalent to first gen radeon is sufficient.

    I expect that there are 3 primary usage modes: mobile, remote and primary
    desktop

    mobile usage model:
            in this mode, this should operate like a cell phone, MP3 player or camera
    like a full function single purpose device for each of these uses. As a PDA
    it would primarily be used for data retrieval as opposed to input, for anything
    beyond trivial data input (on the level of what you would input into a cell
    phone) it is ok to assume a wireless or USB keyboard will be used (i.e.
    handwriting recognition not required/useful) the form factor of the divice
    should not be comprimized in the false belief that a big display is needed.
    the display on my cdm-9900 is more than sufficient.

    with a secondary battery pack and set of display glasses, it should be possible
    to watch two complete feature length VGA/30fps movies in this mode (think
    flying Boston to LA)

    remote desktop usage model:
            in this mode, the user is primarily expecting functionality equivalent to
    a high end PDA/ultra portable laptop. the keyboard would probably be a
    wireless thumbboard or a rollup usb keyboard, the display would preferrably be
    a wireless head mounted display (HUD-glasses). external networking
    capabilities might be non-existant, or limited to analog cell phone bandwidth,
    so internal processing capabilities must be able to fulfill the minimums for
    this kind of use.

    primary desktop usage model:
            I want to just carry the device in my pocket, when I get to work, drop it
    on my desk, have it recognize my keyboard, display and mouse and start driving
    them. I want to be able to do everything I do on my desktop computer in this
    mode. I expect that this will require remote processing to provide the
    CPU horsepower necessary, but the UI will be displayed and driven here
    (X11 terminal style, but once I've done initial setup, I don't want to have to
    think about it. this should work from the other side of the world).

            I expect it needs to be on the charger for best performance in this
    mode

    what's missing to accomplish this:

            the biggest piece of missing technology for this application is wireless
    capable monitors and really useable display glasses. by useable, I mean glasses
    that work like the glasses I wear today, but also can be used as a computer
    display. other than the weight issue and some manufacturing issues, the tech
    is here today with an LCD film overlay laminated onto the glasses lens or a
    projector/refractor model.

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    1. Re:what I want in my next cell phone.. by Roguelazer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What I want in my next cell phone:

      A device that is a cell phone and only a cell phone. No mp3 player. No camera. No video playing. No web browsing. Other devices do those better- 'tis better to have many small, great devices than one large, batteryless, shitty one. SMS is okay, because that's a cell phone feature. If given the choice between a large, readable black and white screen (Visor Edge quality) and a tiny, ugly, battery-draining color screen, give me the color screen. Give me a long-lasting battery. Give me Bluetooth2 to connect it to other devices that do other things (like browse the web and take pictures, and use the phone as a modem). And make it look cool.

      Thanks.

  59. Yellow Box by itomato · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What if iTunes 5 is on an encapsulated runtime?

    I assumed all the other versions were kind of doing that.

  60. Weak. by yardbird · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm holding out for the Femto.

    iPod Femto: the first MP3 player to be injected directly into your bloodstream!

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    Free, legal music for iTunes users.
  61. Mac Nano Next? by Kelson · · Score: 2, Funny

    First Apple released the iPod, then the iPod Mini. Now there's the iPod Nano.

    And last year, Apple introduced the Mac Mini.

    <joke>Does this mean we should expect the Mac Nano sometime next year?</joke>

    1. Re:Mac Nano Next? by Distinguished+Hero · · Score: 3, Funny

      Only if you think a Mac Shuffle will be released before it.

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      Uttering logically derived and empirically supported truths to the disciples of the orthodox establishment.
    2. Re:Mac Nano Next? by narcc · · Score: 2

      Mac Nano? Yeah, I'd buy that... or the Newton Shuffle...

  62. but .... by daevux · · Score: 4, Funny

    .... but does the phone support music on hold? :)

  63. Re:Always a deal-killer. by jcr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And, of course, no Ogg (again!).

    And of course, there's still no point to including Ogg Vorbis in the iPod. The number of additional sales that Apple would get from people who are emotionally committed to a particular file format isn't even a rounding error in a monthly sales report.

    -jcr

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    The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
  64. Re:DRM changes in 5.0? by Stargoose · · Score: 2, Informative

    I just installed iTunes 5 and am still able to play songs that I unlocked with JHymn.

    And, yes, they're songs I paid for (or, Pepsi paid for them, I suppose) and unlocked for legitimate reasons (primarily so I could listen to them at work on my Linux machine).

  65. Re:Always a deal-killer. by DiscoOnTheSide · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1) Dock Connector: That's what Apple calls it, it's really just power, data and audio connections put into one plug (the connector also has a line-out ability) It's a multifunction port and when Apple first put it in iPods, the only thing out there for it was the DOCK. So that's what they called it but now you can hook up the camera connector, FM transmitters, all sorts of stuff. If you've bothered to ever use an iPod you'd know the cable that comes with it has USB or Firewire on one end, and the dock connector on the other end for the iPod OR Dock (the Dock is pretty much just a nice passthru that stands the iPod up)

    2) Go into iTunes, then iPod options. Click "Enable Drive Usage" wow... my iPod is now a drive under Windows AND Mac, and I've seen it done with Linux. Unless you're touching the files needed for the music player, the iPod is simply a USB hard drive. Shut up troll.

    3) And why should they bend over backwards for your measly $300 for their iPod when you're too stubborn and arrogant to support a popular standard. I don't bitch at Sony about where my copy of Sin City on BetaMax is.

    Wait and see all you want. You won't buy one. People just like to bitch about something they can't have or can't afford.

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    Viva La Revolucion! Buy a Mac!
  66. iTunes 5 + QT 7 : avoid them by clamx · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just tested them (Windows version):

    iTunes 5 rebuilds the music library, so you might be unable to revert to iTunes 4.9.

    iTunes 5 has a new interface look, and it automatically use the language set up in the "Regional and Language Options" control panel, under the "Regional Options" tab. It seems clever, but it is not since this setting is used to define the default currency, time format, etc. NOT the default language of the GUI. This setting exists in Windows XP but does not appear on regular consumer versions (only on Corporate ones, when a Microsoft MUI extension is installed). Yes, it's stupid since other OS like MacOS X let you switch the language of the entire interface even on the cheapest Mac you can get, but it's the way Microsoft did it. The only right way to define the UI language is to do it on a per-app basis. Which means : Add a bloody "Language" options to the iTunes preferences instead of trying to play the smart guy. I have an English version of Windows and my Regional Options are set to French, but I'd like iTunes to be in ENGLISH like the rest of the UI.

    iTunes 5 still not support OGG.

    iTunes 5 is unable to read correctly some very old AIFF files I still have in my Library (by "old", I mean "from my Atari ST": 12,538Khz 8 bit mono). QuickTime 7 opens them perfectly and it worked with iTunes 4.9.

    QuickTime 7 is a real pain in the ass. I mean it. First, if you registered QuickTime 6, you need to pay again to register QuickTime 7. The player has the exact same limitations than the previous versions: it's unable to open files which have Unicode filenames or filenames that are >31 characters. Yes, exactly like on MacOS 9! Furthermore, the very convenient menus to work with tracks (delete tracks, enable tracks, extract tracks etc) disappeared. Now you must open the Movie Properties dialog, go to the correct tab, enable or disable the track(s), go back to the movie window, work on the track(s), go back to the Movie Properties dialog, etc. I use QuickTime Pro mostly to correct the movies I do with my little camera without recompression (the sound is delayed by 1 sound frame), now with this version it's became a real torture. By the way, if you use any keyboard shortcut of the Pro version (for example Ctrl-F for Fullscreen) but have the basic player only, you get a message asking if you want to register. It seems very clever too, except that some movies I made use QuickTime scripts associated to some keyboard shortcuts... like Ctrl-F. Guess what's happening ?

    I've always been a big supporter of QuickTime, hoping that QuickTime 7 would be the same leap for the Windows versions that it was for the OS X version of QuickTime 6... I guess I had too much expectations...

  67. was at the release party tonight ... by vacorama · · Score: 2, Interesting

    i went to go see this motorola/ipod phone at webster hall tonight in NY.. all in all, cool but very very sluggish.. all the demo booths had phones with roughly 5 or 6 albums on them, and just that alone drastically slowed down the display. plus they didn't have any instructions, or tell anyone that to get the phones to play music you had to disconnect them from their laptop stations, a very bad move. this place was full of music writers that couldn't get passed the "Do not Disconnect Screen" to make the thing do what it was actally supposed to do. But they did have free drinks, which put most people in a really good mood.. Also, a really cheasy speech by motorola's head of marketing. i'm sort of suprised Apple has gotten behind something so sluggish. in the time it takes to load up one song from the main screen, i can grab a real ipod from my other pocket and play whatever i want to hear. someday it might be a nice little gadget, but not now, not sure why either but definately not right now...

  68. Re:Where's my 6Gig option? by E8086 · · Score: 2, Informative

    "I have the 5Gig Seagate Pocket drive" ok, one of those, they're nice and avg $140

    3.5" drives use a lot of power, and should have their own power cord. 2.5" drives use less so they can be usb/bus-powered. The only time I've seen problems is when the PC/Mac they're connected to has an underpowered power supply, the generic or older Dells and similar or if too many unpowered usb devices are in use. I've had my generic 2.5" case with a 10GB IBM travelstar for over a year with no problems.
    5gb and 8gb are on the small side for 2.5" drives and don't seem to exist in the form of pocket drives yet. Newegg has external drive cases for about $15 and the smallest 2.5" is 30gb for $61, you can probably find a 10 or 20GB elsewhere. It won't be as small as your 3" round pocket drive, 3x5x.5" the size of a .5" stack of index cards and still fits in a pocket while holding a few times as much as pocket drives and minis. The other option is a full sized ipod, $300 for the 20gb, or a used older smaller one if you can find it, and has a battery so a sudden loss of power shouldn't happen. The only other 5GB+ I know of are the high capacity CF cards, $665 for 8gb, also at Newegg.
    I hope that was helpful.

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    F7 doesn't work, ignore spelling and grammar
  69. Re:It's about the flash, baby. by timster · · Score: 4, Informative

    The iPod mini has never been flash, period, end of story, never will be. The iPod shuffle was the only flash iPod before the iPod nano.

    People get confused about this because the microdrive in the mini speaks the CompactFlash protocol, but it is a spinning platter disk all the same.

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    I have seen the future, and it is inconvenient.
  70. Paving the way for video store... by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They already sell music videos, but the new search sure seems to be paving the way to a full-fledged video store. Why else would you really need to distinguish between audio and video search results unless they were expecting people to be seeing a lot of video in iTunes.

    Come on Apple, let us buy TV shows!

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  71. Re:This Apple Ad Sponsored by Slashdot Zealots.... by Budenny · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Well, its labelled a troll, and it is phrased rather intemperately, but it has a lot of truth in it. Particularly the point about openness. It is very striking that in an open source environment a company can be idolised which has locking as an essential component of its marketing strategy. Whether it is locking the OS to its own hardware, or locking its music formats and download service to its players....

    It is a real legitimate question to ask: why do people feel it is fine for Apple to do these things, and anathema for MS to do similar things? Why, for example, if MS were to start taking people to court for running Office under Wine, would there be a universal outcry, when if Apple starts taking people to court for buying and running X on Dells, an awful lot of people here would applaud?