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Free 3D Animation DAZ|Studio 1.0 Released

Thyme3333 writes "DAZ Productions, Inc. has officially released DAZ|Studio 1.0, a free 3D figure posing and animation software package. DAZ has a made a commitment to keep the DAZ|Studio core application free to the public for as long as possible by relying on the revenues generated by the purchase of content available in the DAZ online store. To obtain a free copy of DAZ|Studio, users must register for a free account on the DAZ website and agree to participate in the company's aptly-named "Tell-Ware" program, which asks that each DAZ|Studio user share information about DAZ|Studio and/or the DAZ website with at least two friends." Good to see that more companies are trying to keep their software free, but perhaps the Slashdot crowd could offer advice on a better business model than spam and merchandising?

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  1. To answer what will be 99% of people's questions: by PoprocksCk · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, it is not available for Linux. Windows and Macintosh only.

  2. ::Sigh: Learn a bit about economics... by XorNand · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Good to see that more companies are trying to keep their software free, but perhaps the Slashdot crowd could offer advice on a better business model than spam and merchandising?
    Yeah, a pretty accepted software business model is:
    1) Create software that people want
    2) Trade that software for money.

    An alternative buisness model is:
    1) Help foster a community of developers to create software that people want
    2) Connect potential buyers to that product and help them use it
    3)Ask said people for money in return.

    Maybe it's because I run my own business or maybe it's because I studied economics in school, but I tend to look at things a bit different than most other Slashdotters. You've all be spoiled by the easy access to pirated software, music and movies. In the real world, things cost producers both time and money to make. The reason why we all don't have to grow our own food, knit our own sweaters, or write our own code is because we've worked out a neat little system of exchange called "currency". It's just like the barter system, but a lot easier because currency is universally accepted. You don't have to worry about trying to locate someone who's willing to give you potatoes in exchange for your ability to configure sendmail. I only have a finite number of hours in my day, and a finite amount of resources. If I want to be able to eat, drive a car, and buy other people's software, I need to get someone in exchange for my skills. Elsewise I can't afford to give others something in return for their product/service.

    It's really not a difficult concept to understand, but if you want the Cliff's Notes version of my point: "Nothing in life is free." If you want to see what happens with a society tries to avoid the basic laws of economics go vacation in North Korea (or to a lesser extent, Cuba).
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    1. Re:::Sigh: Learn a bit about economics... by hahiss · · Score: 2, Insightful


      Seems to me you offered a bit of economics and travel advice AND a business model---all for free.

      I guess it turns out that sometimes things in life can be free, because people decide that they can share some resources when, for example, they have excess and others can use them. You had excess wisdom and saw that others could use your insight---so you shared it.

      Sharing isn't really a difficult concept to understand either. . . .

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    2. Re:::Sigh: Learn a bit about economics... by oGMo · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Maybe it's because I run my own business or maybe it's because I studied economics in school, but I tend to look at things a bit different than most other Slashdotters. You've all be spoiled by the easy access to pirated software, music and movies. In the real world, things cost producers both time and money to make. The reason why we all don't have to grow our own food, knit our own sweaters, or write our own code is because we've worked out a neat little system of exchange called "currency".

      And it's probably because you run your own business and studied economics that you're blinded to other nonstandard possibilities.

      This doesn't even appear to be "Free Software" in the way most of us mean. I don't see the ability to download the source, no less under any sort of nonrestrictive license. However, that aside, because you seem to be talking about "real" Free Software, you're overlooking the two most obvious and tangible returns that we get from developing it: recognition, and the time of other developers.

      The first is obvious. The second is more valuable than money; you have the possibility of possibly hundreds or thousands of developers looking at your code, offering patches and extensions to it. Use your economics to translate that into dollars; how much would a staff of 100 developers cost to employ and keep happy? More than most people would ever make selling their code to anyone.

      People usually write stuff and release it because it was useful to them, and it might be useful to others, so they can benefit from the above returns. Once that happens, it becomes even more personally useful.

      Yes, if you're doing business, this might not work; then again, if your business isn't selling software, it very well might.

      It's just like the barter system, but a lot easier because currency is universally accepted. You don't have to worry about trying to locate someone who's willing to give you potatoes in exchange for your ability to configure sendmail. I only have a finite number of hours in my day, and a finite amount of resources. If I want to be able to eat, drive a car, and buy other people's software, I need to get someone in exchange for my skills. Elsewise I can't afford to give others something in return for their product/service.

      Ah, this is what many economists can't wrap their head around. Information is not a limited resource. It's artificially limited by various laws, but it's not a diminishing resource. It is not "used up". Thus the barter analogy fails: if two people exchange information, they end up with twice as much as they had to begin with.

      Time, however, is our most precious and limited resource; sometimes getting someone's time is more than you could afford if you were charged for it.

      It's really not a difficult concept to understand, but if you want the Cliff's Notes version of my point: "Nothing in life is free."

      Your point is wrong because you misunderstand. Some things are not free because they are limited and thus acquire value based on rarity. Other things are not limited. Information isn't something that is suitable for building an economy on.

      If you want to see what happens with a society tries to avoid the basic laws of economics go vacation in North Korea (or to a lesser extent, Cuba).

      Ah, the old "those damn commies!" standby. "Basic laws of economics" apply in a standard economy. It is conceivable that there is something nonstandard---possibly even something that is sustainable. However, one example of failure in this regard shouldn't be enough to dismiss everything (or you need a class in logic).

      Also, the idea of "basic laws" should be examined under the same light Shoenberg does with the "basic laws of music": there aren't any. Yes, we can listen to some terrible music by someone who has no concept of sound. This doesn't mean there is one set of rules we must follow for making music, however.

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    3. Re:::Sigh: Learn a bit about economics... by b17bmbr · · Score: 2, Informative

      it's called marginal cost. learn the lingo. and, by the way, the "marginal cost" goes to 0 for most software. unless it's shrink wrap stuff, i.e. the books, etc. but even if it's downloaded, the marginal cost is the fraction of drive space and bandwidth. it matters not if it's free. where free software shines is in the "added value" of being to manipulate it. but, if I don't or can't use that feature, and make no mistake, it is a feature, than I don't necesasrily gain from software unless it is qualtatively equal or better. people don't necessarily choose free software because using it is not necessarily free.

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    4. Re:::Sigh: Learn a bit about economics... by dominion · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you want to see what happens with a society tries to avoid the basic laws of economics go vacation in North Korea (or to a lesser extent, Cuba).

      You want to see what happens with a society that follows the basic laws of economics to the letter, look at Argentina. In fact, the over 800 factories that are being run by the employees after the owners and top management fled the country when the economy took a nose dive is about the only thing keeping the Argentine economy alive.

      One of the problems with people who pull out "economics" is that they assume that there is this one, monolithic concept of the economy that is etched in stone, and that success or failure depends on adherence to those set rules. Anybody who pays attention outside of their economics 101 class and looks at the rest of the world, and history itself, can see that there is no set definition of economics. There are only ideologies, and economies are formed around those ideologies, and success or failure can not be boiled down to one or two strawman arguments.

      A new ideology is spreading through the first world, and that ideology is based on the concept that anything that can be readily copied and distributed so cheaply it's almost free belongs to everybody. People trade movies, music, games, software, anything they want, and nobody ever feels a single bit guilty about it.

      And that lack of guilt is exactly why a new ideology is being formed around freely available digital content. The fact of the matter is that most people don't break into people's houses, not because they're afraid of getting caught, but because they know it's not right. Somebody who won't break into someone elses house and steal all their shit wouldn't do it whether there was 1 law against it or 100 laws, or none at all.

      But nobody ever looks at a link to an mp3 of their favorite artist and thinks "Oh, I don't know, this just doesn't feel right...". They think "Whoah, new song! *click*".

      Ideology comes first, and economics are formed around those ideologies. That is why the music industry is failing at stopping piracy: They have an economy based on an old ideology that they are trying to force the consumer who has adopted the new ideology to change back to the old ideology.

      The reality is that the only way to move forward is to adjust the economy to fit the new ideology. Everything else is like trying to push back a tidal wave with a tennis racket.

    5. Re:::Sigh: Learn a bit about economics... by rand.srand() · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The laws of business aren't muddied with subjectiveness. Whether or not you will be better off giving something away for free will ultimately be determined by if you increased your well-being or lost the time and money (aka opportunity) invested. There is nothing subjective about the end-game.

      That's not to say that it is always stupid to give something away. People have been giving things away in exchange for an opportunity since the beginning of economic time.

      So, still within the framework of the laws of business, the question is what opportunity is created for those involved in free software. If the opportunity created is greater than that foregone, there will be free software. Whether or not it is competitive with commercially created software is an entirely different matter.

      Because of the marginal and highly eventual return on the investment of free software it is a hobby or a side bet for those involved (whether the bet is being made by the individual not being paid, or a company who pays programmers but does not charge).

      Now, if someone can demonstrate to all of us rational players know you can make a fortune giving away software, the tide may turn as we weigh the opportunity of going into commercial software versus free software, combined with needing to eat.

      All still within the confines of the laws of business that you so much hate. Good luck making that fortune.

    6. Re:::Sigh: Learn a bit about economics... by oGMo · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The problem simply is, how are you going to pay your bills?

      Charge for service. Charge for priority feature requests. Charge for documentation. Charge for things that are limited: time, paper, etc.

      No one is saying we should hand out source code instead of money. In fact, I believe I said something about information being an unlimited resource, so using it as currency wouldn't be too wise, would it?

      Nor is anyone saying we should do everything for free. We can still make money and survive in Corporate America. But we can also have Free Software and not be at odds with it.

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    7. Re:::Sigh: Learn a bit about economics... by slashdotnickname · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The second is more valuable than money; you have the possibility of possibly hundreds or thousands of developers looking at your code, offering patches and extensions to it.

      This statement pretty much illustrates the fairy-taleish nature of the rest your post. Most projects are small and specific in function (compared to an OS or browser) that they don't generate such an large active development community. These projects mainly depend on a small group of dedicated coders, and good luck if you have an opinion about the direction of the project which the others don't share...

  3. Does Posting to Slashdot count?! by Kjuib · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does posting a link to their website on Slashdot count as 1 or more of the friends that Thyme3333 was suppose to send their way?

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  4. Bitching about free software... niiice! by FortKnox · · Score: 2, Interesting

    perhaps the Slashdot crowd could offer advice on a better business model than spam and merchandising?

    Or... how about we don't bitch about something we can get for free?

    How many people are holding a gun to your head demanding you send emails to TWO WHOLE PEOPLE you know?
    Better yet... have you ever emailed someone to say "Hey, check out this game" or "Yo, here's a sweet perl module you should check out" or anything of the ilk? The true thought behind this "tell-ware" is the hopes that you enjoy the software enough to email a couple of friends to tell them its worth the download.

    For how much real 3D software can cost, I'm truely surprised someone is bitching about emailing two friends about it...

    Then again, the open source community is full of extreme whackos like ESR, so maybe my surprise is unjust...

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    1. Re:Bitching about free software... niiice! by nacturation · · Score: 2, Funny

      How many people are holding a gun to your head demanding you send emails to TWO WHOLE PEOPLE you know?

      Plus, that can only happen up to 33 times before everyone telling two new people about it reaches the entire world population... and then who do the people at the bottom of the pyramid tell? These chain letters always shaft the last ones in!

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  5. I remember seeing an article once by ReformedExCon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I read an article once about a company that was based on Ayn Rand's Objectivist teachings. The owner was such a fan that he made up a bunch of rules for the company and its employees to follow.

    One of the tenets was that anything of value must be paid for. This meant that they didn't have any "free demos". They did have volume pricing, as well as negotiable prices for large customers, if I recall correctly.

    There is nothing wrong with charging for your product, especially if you think that it is a good one that many people will benefit from.

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    1. Re:I remember seeing an article once by blackbear · · Score: 2, Informative
      One of the tenets was that anything of value must be paid for.

      I think he missed a basic point in Objectivist Philosophy. Nothing is free. "Free" demos are just payment for a potential buyer's time and attention while considering a purchase from the demo provider. If you consider your time more valuable than the receipt of a free demo, then the demo is over priced and you won't "buy" it by downloading or participating in it.

      Rand was making the very important point, that to compel someone to provide goods or services without a fair exchange of value is an immoral and usually criminal act. That when perpetrated by a government, constitutes tyranny. She was not saying that you couldn't have sex with your spouse without either first receiving payment, or a reciprical orgasm to satisfy the fair value of the exchange.

  6. Re:To answer what will be 99% of people's question by ch-chuck · · Score: 4, Informative

    and the next answer is that Blender has a pose mode.

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  7. Re:To answer what will be 99% of people's question by CDMA_Demo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Another thing: DAZ and Poser work pretty close from the releases in the past that I've seen. I have had problems running both under windows 64 bit, and it was one of the reasons (besides Win 64 driver problems) that I had to switch back to Win XP 32 bit. I'd like to hear from people who can install both these packages under Wine/WineX under Linux 64 or on Win64.

  8. Re:To answer what will be 99% of people's question by RLiegh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And ed has a search and replace function; but I wouldn't recommend ed to someone who is used to working with microsoft word! The same is true for daz3d vs blender only more so.

  9. What's wrong with their business model? by Namronorman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't find it wrong in any way. By registering, they know roughly how many people have downloaded it, which helps them remotely see the popularity of it. By telling two friends, it helps spread the word, which I don't see really being spam.

    Since when has word of mouth been considered spam?

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    1. Re:What's wrong with their business model? by mackil · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is actually an excellent point. Reminds me of the old days of shareware when you could copy it a million times and put it anywhere for download. People soon learned which program worked and which didn't. There were always those who would just reinstall it once the trial ran out, but for your typical honest software user, it was a great way to find the best software tool for the job.

      For DAZ, their best chance for success lies in how good their product is. Word of mouth spreads good and bad. This is a clever idea because a piece of software with a community behind it always does better.

  10. 3D will be free by L.+VeGas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are quite a few low-end, inexpensive 3D animation packages. Ulead makes one for example. Aside from Blender, there are no truly free 3D packages at all. Truth is, no professional actually uses Blender. You'll see the occasional one-off logo or something like that, but even a serious hobbiest uses something like Lightwave or Max.

    There's been kind of a trickle-down in free software. First we got things everybody needs, like an email client. Then we got software that a lot of people need, like a word processor. Then we got the Gimp, which some people need. Eventually, we'll get the specialty applications, like 3D software. It's just a matter of time.

    1. Re:3D will be free by Sebastian+Jansson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      """
      Truth is, no professional actually uses Blender.
      """
      That's just simply false. Blender was initially made as a in-house software wich has been freed for use by anyone. It's still used professionally. Not so much for movies though, but then you probably have larger budgets anyway.

    2. Re:3D will be free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ok, some examples:
      Pre-viz for some of the scenes in SpiderMan 2, for example: the fight with Doc Oc.

      Another: first feature film that used Blender for the 3D effects (Friday or another day ("Vendredi ou un autre jour"))

      http://www.softanim.com/vendredi/index.html
      Blender in use here:
      http://users.skynet.be/mume//vendredi/blender.html
      http://users.skynet.be/mume//vendredi/fx1.html

      Plus I personally know several people who use it professionally.

  11. Boobs... by warmgun · · Score: 4, Informative

    All but one of the renders on the company's online gallery page features gratuitous cleavage. Just thought I'd throw that out there...

    1. Re:Boobs... by gardyloo · · Score: 2, Funny

      All but one of the renders on the company's online gallery page features gratuitous cleavage

          Hey, it's really hard to render in personality and sense of humour. Spheres are easy.

  12. A little competition is a good thing. by Odonian · · Score: 5, Informative
    DAZ started life as a content provider for MetaCreations' Poser software (now owned by Curious Labs); DAZ made (and still makes) human figures with superior morph capability and texture detail vs. what comes with Poser, along with other content from various independent modelers who use their site to sell their models.

    Lately they've been delving into selling actual applications; they bought the Mimic software for lip synching for instance which complements Poser by providing automated .wav to pose conversion to synchronize models' lips and facial expressions to a sound clip in an automated way.

    This latest offering will put them squarely in competition with Curious Labs, which I would say is a good thing. Poser is simultaneously one of the most amazing applications, and most annoying applications I've used. The program produces fantastic human figure graphics and animation, but is also incredibly buggy, slow, and memory/resource intensive. Still, it's much cheaper than the higher end competition which is priced out of the hobbyist market, so it is currently the only game in town. Having another choice in the low end would be very good, providing it's halfway useable.

  13. SPAM?!? by midnighttoadstool · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ...but perhaps the Slashdot crowd could offer advice on a better business model than spam and merchandising?

    It seems to me that this company is actually asking for a concious effort at the email equivalent of 'word of mouth'. I think that its an admirable idea and doesn't truly constitute SPAM except by a looser definition than I, personally, would accept.

  14. Apple in a way does it... by StacyWebb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    With iTunes the application is free to download and use. But is there money to be made? Yes. By users purchasing the music they want online.. This same model is being used here, the core of the application is free, but content costs. This is where they will make money, not in the application itself but in the content individuals puchase. The "tell-ware" model is mainly to get the word out on the product, for those who perhaps do not read Slashdot.

  15. free as in beer by blechx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Note that this program is only free as in beer and is not Free Software. If you are looking for free as in speech 3d-modellers and renderers, look at http://blender3d.org/, an exellent and highly advanced program.

    1. Re:free as in beer by RLiegh · · Score: 3, Informative

      Both are in the same general field, but having used both I can tell you that daz3d is light-years away from blender when it comes to good UI design and usability; also daz3d comes from an established (5+ years, iirc) content provider so there is a variety of pre-made materials and content that is ready to use with daz3d right now.

      I'm not a graphics professional (and maybe blender is more useful to someone who is), but from an ameteur's point of view, there's really no comparison to be made. daz3d is easier to use, and therefore more powerful, and there is a lot of ready-to-use content out there for it (with blender3d you pretty much have to roll your own everything as far as I know).

    2. Re:free as in beer by stew77 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Blender is free as in speech, but the language is ancient suomi.

  16. Re:4 comments and it's Slashdotted already by Eberlin · · Score: 4, Funny

    If it's anything like FEMA, they'll show up 5 days later with a fire extinguisher long after your server has turned into a smoldering heap from the Category 5 slashdotting.

  17. Online store? by sleighb0y · · Score: 2, Funny

    "by relying on the revenues generated by the purchase of content available in the DAZ online store"

    Is that code for "virtual-girl porn site" ?

    I think ANY 3d-modeler app can be used for more productive tasks than rendering breasts that are two times too big.

  18. Open Source 3d figures by stew77 · · Score: 2, Informative

    In the opposite direction, Zygote, Sixus 1 and e Frontier have released "open source" 3d figures under the name of "project: human", which is more or less competition for DAZ' core business.

    Project human figures can be found here:
    female
    male
    and here:
    http://www.project-human.com/

    Feel free to have a flamewar about whether or not the license is GPL compatible...

  19. blender = anurism by Brigadier · · Score: 2, Informative


    I tried using blender once a while back. Now even though I had worked with 3DStudio, Lightwave and Maya I got an anurism trying to figure out blender's interface.

    1. Re:blender = anurism by squidsoup · · Score: 3, Insightful

      blender was designed by and for schizophrenic space mutants. you are not alone.

    2. Re:blender = anurism by stew77 · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's like vi:
      Once you learnt how to use it, you're convinced that it's better than anything else. Or you give up two years before you reach that point.

  20. Re:Free as in "Years Behind." by LetterRip · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They can't open source the renderer because they don't own the source to it. Their interface is pretty weak and has very little functionality, they have nothing to really offer that could compete with Blender as far as '3d'.

    LetterRip

  21. Blender and 3D Canvas by Sundroid · · Score: 3, Informative

    Blender (http://www.blender.org/cms/Home.2.0.html) is totally free, as in open-source, no-strings-attached free.

    3D Canvas (http://www.amabilis.com/products.htm) is a fun introductory 3d software for beginners.

  22. Good alternative for Linux users by raulfragoso · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Blender 3D is a good alternative for the Linux users: http://www.blender3d.org/

  23. Try this for outragous 'free' then by cruachan · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, at least DAZ is giving it away up-front. Came across this the other day - http://www.daylongraphics.com/products/leveller/op ensrc.htm - the company appears to be offering to make the 'next' version of their product open source if people will donate $200,000 to the company 'Open Source' fund beforehand.

    Please someone correct me if I've misunderstood this, but it seems totally outragous.

  24. Re:This is all a sham. by Pseudonym · · Score: 2, Informative
    What kind of 3d software:
    1) has no modeling tools

    Most of them. Games, for example.

    2) lists 'rotate, translate, and scale with visual feedback' as a fucking 'feature'?! Or 'multiple views' I mean this is 3D SOFTWARE, right?

    I think you're missing the point.

    DAZ is not trying to create competition for Houdini or even Vue d'Esprit. That would be stupid. There are plenty of players in that market already who have a head start.

    DAZ is trying to do something new: 3D clip art. Clip art sells well for a reason. This program is going to take that into 3D. They want people to be able to use 3D models as easily as they use ring tones. It's actually a pretty grand vision and, unlike most dot coms, it's not so dumb, since it plays right into modern remix culture.

    We shall see if they succeed or not, but if anyone can do it, they can.

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  25. Re:Blender is Better by LocoMan · · Score: 2, Informative
  26. Re:Blender is Better by spiderworm · · Score: 2, Informative