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Camera Phone As High-precision Scanner

christchurch writes "The software, developed by NEC and the Nara Institute of Science and Technology (NAIST) in Japan, goes further than existing cellphone camera technology by allowing entire documents to be scanned simply by sweeping the phone across the page. As reported, an A4 sized page takes only 3 to 5 seconds to scan, and it is causing copyright concerns."

232 comments

  1. Is that irony? by B3ryllium · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Nothing to see here, move along"

    Is that irony?

    This sounds like those 60s spy movies where they would use the miniature tie-camera to take spy photos :)

    1. Re:Is that irony? by mark-t · · Score: 1
      Max?

      Is that you?

      Where's 99?

    2. Re:Is that irony? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      It's bronzey.

  2. Just like spy cameras. by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This isn't new; I've seen James Bond copy pages by photographing them with one of those tiny cameras. This is only different in that it's digital, and built into a cellphone.

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    1. Re:Just like spy cameras. by CDMA_Demo · · Score: 3, Interesting


      The MC50 already does quite a bit of that. It has a camera and a barcode scanner which can easily do all that. Putting the same functionality into a cellphone is not that difficult. I wonder whats up with all the not-so-new-news lately on slashdot.

    2. Re:Just like spy cameras. by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, that's the classic Minox with the Document Copying Attachment (part #69319). Developed in 1938 and still in production, the Minox was the classic spy camera of WWII and the early days of the Cold War.

    3. Re:Just like spy cameras. by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Informative
      This isn't new; I've seen James Bond copy pages by photographing them with one of those tiny cameras. This is only different in that it's digital, and built into a cellphone

      Those differences are prety significant

      • this would be a part of a cellphone, not an expensive spy camera,
      • the software corrects for distortion and stitches together 20 or so images to make a whole page,
      • it OCRs it automatically.
    4. Re:Just like spy cameras. by Dysproxia · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Then I suppose there's no point in me going public with my new invisible car, since Mr. Bond already has one.

  3. Copyright concern? bah by AmigaBen · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I don't know about you, but I'm sick of everything being a flipping copyright concern. Screw the media conglamorates and their infinite copyrights and fascist enforcement.

    Bah.

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    1. Re:Copyright concern? bah by Cruithne · · Score: 1

      Three to five seconds eh? I've got scanners at work that can scan an A4 sheet in ONE! I'm surely going to jail...

    2. Re:Copyright concern? bah by Baricom · · Score: 1

      Do they fit in your pocket and look inconspicuous at bookstores?

      This paragraph is nonsense prose designed to deliberately slow my typing speed so the Slashdot filter won't think I'm trolling. Okay, that should about do it.

    3. Re:Copyright concern? bah by el_womble · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The rate determining step in book copyright infringment is page turning. Single sheet documents can, and have, been easily pirated since the invention of the pen and notepad. I remeber going into a linrary when I was at high school and writing down passages that I thought I could use in an essay. This technology is only slightly faster than that, and is really much closer to the Iris reader pen.

      In our office we have a high speed copier that could scan 10s of pages in a minute, but of course it can't copy books, because they are bound.

      Now, can I scan a passage, page or chapter easily with this technology? Sure! But then I could do that already.

      However, what the internet might let us do is collate our efforts. If 20 people, lets call them students, can be convinced, lets call that poverty, to all go into different books stores at different times of the day and each scan one chapter, or a series of pre arranged pages then they could collate and distribute their efforts very quickly - but theyn, if they really wanted too they could do this already, and they do.

      The reason why people don't do it as much as music is that music through cheap head phones sounds the same whether its on tape, CD, radio or MP3. DVDs look nearly as good distributed via DivX or H.264 (but then your only really looking at it for a few hours and from a distrance). Books are read for hours at a time, in close quarters. Books don't run out of batteries. Books are cheap, books don't have verioning issues and work universally across continents without the need of adapters. In most parts of the world, they operate during waking hours with little or no external power requirements, and if push comes to shove you can run from burning any domestic combustable with no further modification.

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    4. Re:Copyright concern? bah by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      besides, a scanner can do the job even faster..

      hell, someone could just type whatever was on that page or take a picture with 8mpix phone.

      if it's confidential then non-trusted people shouldn't even read it anyways or you have problems.

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    5. Re:Copyright concern? bah by Lars+T. · · Score: 1
      This technology is only slightly faster than that, and is really much closer to the Iris reader pen.

      Err, no, this is way faster than pen and paper or IrisPen. Again, this is 3-5 seconds per page, not per (couple of) lines. It probably is even faster than a copier/flat-bed scanner, because you just have to turn pages.

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    6. Re:Copyright concern? bah by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1
      and if push comes to shove you can run from burning any domestic combustable with no further modification.

      ... such as a previously read book, hehe ;-)

    7. Re:Copyright concern? bah by Gulthek · · Score: 1

      A scanner could do the job faster? Maybe if you have a high speed flatbed with an onboard power supply in your backpack.

      And if you can type out pages of text fast enough to make it worth your time then Project Gutenberg would love to hear from you.

      The real concern here is people copying entire books (semi) easily. But that shouldn't be a concern, because libraries already exist.

    8. Re:Copyright concern? bah by blahplusplus · · Score: 1

      "I don't know about you, but I'm sick of everything being a flipping copyright concern. Screw the media conglamorates and their infinite copyrights and fascist enforcement. "

      I agree.

      I wish someone would do a study on how much information a person could possibly read, listen to, watch or acquire in accordance with Games, TV shows, Magazines and music.

      As much piracy and "copyright infringement" as there is, there is only a finite pool of time every individual human being has in their lifetimes and I really doubt that copyright infringement is as big of a deal as its made out to be by sheer virtue that 80% of those stealing dont have jobs / are in school and have some excess time on their hands.

      Those with jobs I really doubt are going home every night and spending all that time (6 hours or so) watching. reading or listening to copyrighted material, you can only consume it so fast, and in modern society there is simply just way too much of everything in the quest profits, there is overproduction of goods in almost many heavy "copyright infringement" industries, i.e. movies games and music.

    9. Re:Copyright concern? bah by Mean+Ass+Troll · · Score: 1

      some food for thought

                1 it is legal to copy up to 10% of any printed material for educational purposes--or at least was when i was in school.

                2 you can sort of copy much more; the limit does not really apply for the purposes of satire. lampoon, mockery.

                3 crummy, cheap, professors (the kind that have leather elbow patches on wool blazers) write up what can be described as a "course kit" 3 bucks at kinkos, includin binding, sold to students for 30 an up. I have seen em for over 100 bucks. and you cant resell em, they are garbage when you are done. I have heard professors say that anyone in university should be smart enough to know that if they dont buy the kit they will get a nice bell curve. not to mention that exam material will be more likely to come from the kit. god help the student who tries to pirate one of these pieces of crap that could only be sold by a rapacious prof to a captive audience.

              4 students in bookstores taking pictures of books? possibly, but most students are too busy gettin drunk and laid to care. those that arent are easily foiled by a simple thing called shrink wrap

              5 what if you have a photographic memory? you dont need to buy any books, depending on how good your detail is. is that an infringement? if so how do you enforce it? if not, how can this be fair to those who do not have that type of brain? ok im done my drunken rant now...

    10. Re:Copyright concern? bah by OmniBeing · · Score: 1

      If you think books don't have problems with versioning issues, you haven't been to a college bookstore lately have you?

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    11. Re:Copyright concern? bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      but most students are too busy gettin drunk and laid to care...

      ok im done my drunken rant now...

      Let us guess... you are not getting laid, are you?

  4. crappy reporting by Lehk228 · · Score: 4, Informative

    the copyright issue is a non-issue contrived for the story, there really is nothing to it

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    1. Re:crappy reporting by KillShill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      uh huh.

      that's why in japan they banned camera phones and the like in magazine shops.

      the bribers erm i mean lobbyists who "talk" to congress, all spout this same garbage.

      everything that can potentially record any data, analog or digital, is a terrorist tool.

      how many stories have you heard of just on /. that fits along these lines?

      they want to get rid of the analog hole. that is their ultimate goal, at least in the short term. in the digital domain, it is far easier to restrict access and functionality than can ever be imagined in the analog realm.

      every year i keep seeing draconian new laws being introduced under the guise of security and in relation, copyright "protection" (apparently the law is not the protection..). one of those laws, the DMCA, won't even allow you to talk about "security" issues. and now that virtually every country is getting its own version... the frog seems to be coming along nicely.

      every little issue, seemingly unconnected and unrelated is in fact another piece of the DRM foundation.

      it's a pattern. sometimes it's more difficult to see unless you connect the dots.

      the underlying message that the "copyright issue" in this story (regardless if from the article or the editor) is that they don't want you to control the ability to copy. what implications does that have? where is the next step? these are important matters, especially for the geek crowd who value cheap and easy copying/access to information in the digital age.

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    2. Re:crappy reporting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it's just my selective thinking, but doesn't it seem that too many summaries have a single tacked-on sentence about some bullshit issue or "controversy"?

      "Internet user discovers that machine shops accept orders online. But does this mean terrorists can fabricate weapons?"

      "Gamer kills another gamer over a game artifact. Does this signify the internet's coming-of-age?"

      Yes, I'm bored.

    3. Re:crappy reporting by scapermoya · · Score: 1

      sorry, pet peeve, but:

      draconian means that the punishments are excessive. it has nothing to do with the validity of the law. you probably meant orwellian, which would make more sense considering both the recent trend in laws that crap on personal rights and the civil liberties issue that regulating a camera phone entails. I dont mean to be a dick, but lets all get a little less naive about words like and 'antisocial'. (hint: nothing to do with being shy, more to do with shooting up schools)

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    4. Re:crappy reporting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You will most likely find on the both the left, and right extremes of the main section of your keyboard, there is a key labeled "shift". If you were to hold this down whilst typing the first letter of a sentence, paragraph, or pronoun, you may find that it is capitalized for your pleasure.

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    5. Re:crappy reporting by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Exactly. Copyright is not a concern, copyright is the problem.

      We see that technology invalidated copyright. The good reaction: we abolish copyright because it's just not feasible any more. The stupid reaction: putting our heads in the sand and pretending the problem does not exist for the sake of interests based on outdated business scheme.

      Let's theorize: what would happen if we would invent a machine that is capable of replicating matter quite effectively? Would we still hold on to our precious paper money and just inflate it whenever someone prints 500 billion dollars worth and try to stop that by legislation? No, we would be stupid to do so. We would just deal away with physical money and turn to electronic more.

      The situation is like that with copyright. We cannot just hold technology back because of legislation, especially such important one as communications.

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    6. Re:crappy reporting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's a pattern. sometimes it's more difficult to see unless you connect the dots.

      Let's connect more dots...

      Am I the only one that sees a parallel here with the "samizdat" in Russia? There, it was illegal to own copying machines, fer chrissakes, because it suborned the state control of everything that was published. In the end, due to the samizdat underculture, they were seriously considering licensing all typewriters, too.

      the underlying message that the "copyright issue" in this story (regardless if from the article or the editor) is that they don't want you to control the ability to copy. what implications does that have? where is the next step?

      Let's substitute "easily copy and distribute". They don't want you to control the ability to easily copy and distribute. Now review the early history of the USA; particularly the influence of Thomas Paine and his "Common Sense" pamphlet.

      Connect the dots...

    7. Re:crappy reporting by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      I find the ban on cellphones with cameras somewhat dubious. I'm not saying there aren't places where it's true, but how would you enforce it in a small magazine shop? It doesn't make sense.

      The market saturation of cellphone cameras is getting pretty close to 100% in some markets, they're also getting smaller and easier to conceal as well. Unless you're very thoroughly patting-down every person who comes into your store, that's just not going to be enforceable.

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    8. Re:crappy reporting by EternityInterface · · Score: 0

      Actually, it's just labelled upwards pointing hollow thick arrow.

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  5. Doesn't sound so convenient... by lav-chan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    According to NEC, their software is designed to sound an alarm when being used, to avoid any copyright conflicts. The company claims that any attempts to mute the device somehow or plug in headphones will not affect the audibility of this alarm.

    I can understand their reason for doing that, but that doesn't really endear me to using mobile phones 'as portable faxes or scanners that can be used any time'. I personally feel kind of awkward when my phone's camera makes that little clicky noise. I don't think i would ever use it if it sounded an alarm.

    1. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by Vo0k · · Score: 1

      huh? Look deeper in prefs. Menu > Settings > Sounds > Camera sound = none. Most phones allow that.
      Digital cameras are silent, and the phone usually makes the noise just to let you know that it actually did make the photo.

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    2. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by PSXer · · Score: 1, Funny
      Wait a minute, how would that be of any use?

      Are there secret copyright operatives posted everywhere that check each alarm to see what you're copying?

    3. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by wlvdc · · Score: 1

      It would be fun though if it made the sound of a scanner. I am concerned about the alarm tones that will be added to the flood of ringtones. Imagine a busy business technology fair...

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    4. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by lav-chan · · Score: 1

      My phone doesn't. It gives me the option of five different sounds. Can't turn it off altogether, even if i put it in silent mode.

    5. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sensible:
      A truck "beeping" annoyingly when it reverses to alert people nearby that they might be in danger of being run over and horribly maimed or killed.

      Stupid:
      A phone "beeping" annoyingly to alert people nearby that they might be in danger of "losing" some "intellectual property".

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    6. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by Orinthe · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think that many phones in the US have already phased out the ability to run off the camera sound because of privacy issues. You can no longer buy phones in Japan that will take pictures silently. This is, of course, not to let you know that you took the photo, but rather to let others know that you took the photo.

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    7. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by bergie · · Score: 2, Informative

      In a few places it is now required by law that digital cameras (and cameraphones) have a shutter sound that can't be disabled.

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    8. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by drownie · · Score: 1

      yes,yes but ... it's not really about copyright. It's more about taking pictures of people without them knowing, like in the sauna.
      Or in a huddled japanese subway, crowded with little japanese girls with short skirts... whhant the URL ?

      Actually I thing it's sensible that my phone makes a noise.

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    9. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by JohnPerkins · · Score: 1

      I remember the very brief period when the supermarket scanners would call out not just the price, but also the name of each item. That, as I recall, did not last very long.

      No one will use or stand for a device that makes an annoying noise every single time you use it.

    10. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      whhant the URL ?
      mmmmmmm....yes.
      BTW, my Canon Powershot A400 has "tricks" (e.g. "hold 'set' while turning power on") to start it up and get to the "mute" position of the menu without making any sounds, and from then on, just autofocus/zoom motor... Sure not as unsuspicious as a phone, but...

    11. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by Ark42 · · Score: 1


      My Cingular Motorola v220 I just got is silent by default when capturing grainy 640x480 pictures. I'm not sure there is an option to have a sound, but I don't care because I would just use my 5MP digital camera, not my cell phone, if I needed a picture of something.

    12. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by KiloByte · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Can't be disabled... hmm... show me how exactly are you going to prevent me from physically modding the camera's speaker.
      Sure, in the case of a phone it may take some functionality from me, but if I care more of having it as a camera with network capabilities, I can use something else to actually talk or resort to headphones.

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    13. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by slashdot.org · · Score: 1

      I can understand their reason for doing that

      Well, I can't. People that need to _will_ find a way around that.

      What I really don't understand is this desire of companies to become jury, judge and prosecuter all in one. This sounds like something that can be useful in an entirely legal manner. Imagine every device that could potentially be used to do something illegal have something like that built in.

      Can't work late at night anymore because the alarm in the screwdriver will wake up the kids... Absolutely crazy...

    14. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by jrumney · · Score: 1
      I think that many phones in the US have already phased out the ability to run off the camera sound because of privacy issues.

      My phone will happily take a short video without making a sound, and my real camera is virtually silent. If I want to invade your privacy, I'll just use something other than the phone's crappy still picture capability.

    15. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 1
      Can't work late at night anymore because the alarm in the screwdriver will wake up the kids...
      Absolutely crazy..
      Worse is that you won't be able to pee at night without making up the neigbours either...
    16. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And of course they actually *take* the photo about 2 seconds after the "click" noise. By which time the person posing has faced the other way and walked off...

    17. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by Hast · · Score: 1

      Of course you should take into consideration that newer mobile phones have very comptetent cameras. 2Mpx with optical focus are pretty standard for mid-high end phones now.

      Those can take pretty good pictures in my experience.

    18. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1
      I remember the very brief period when the supermarket scanners would call out not just the price, but also the name of each item. That, as I recall, did not last very long.

      What happened? Did somebody buy thumb tacks?

    19. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actully it's not some much to do with intellectual property. It was japan that actully required phones to make an audiuble singal. Why? Two Words: PANTY SHOT

      Japan home of the preveted

    20. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by jrumney · · Score: 1

      No matter how many megapixels they create, the lenses and CCDs on mobile phone cameras can't hold a candle to a decent digital camera. In my experience, even a good camera phone takes blurry and grainy pictures compared to my 2Mpx Canon.

    21. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meh. GIS for "school girl panties" in Japanese. http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=no&lr= &safe=off&c2coff=1&q=%E5%A5%B3%E5%AD%90%E6%A0%A1%E 7%94%9F+%E3%83%91%E3%83%B3%E3%83%84&btnG=S%C3%B8k> NSFW obviously.

    22. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by SmellsLike · · Score: 1

      Not so much losing IP as having a photo taken in the change room. Don't want your naked butt going on the net do you? Or your kids' more importantly. Another thing also is having your photo taken on the beach. While you can do it with a normal camera, its pretty obvious and you can avoid it if you don't want it. Its not all about IP.

    23. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by Hast · · Score: 1

      They are getting there though. Take a look at the new Sony Ericsson K750i for instance (mobile-review.com has sample pictures). And IMHO a typical digital compact camera takes crappy pictures compared to me dSLR.

      Just to be clear though, I'm not suggesting that phone cameras are better than compact digital. But they are getting close to be "good enough".

    24. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by yfkar · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it's not the amount of megapixels, it's how you use them.

      If I want a blurry and grainy 2Mpx picture, I take a 640x480 one, scale it up and add random noise. :P

    25. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by edunbar93 · · Score: 1

      Not so stupid:
      A phone beeping annoyingly to alert the managers and security guards at Visa that someone is stealing mountains of customer data.

      It's all context.

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    26. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by JohnPerkins · · Score: 1

      I imagine it would be more along the lines of Depends, maxi-pads, laxatives, and other embarassing stuff.

    27. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by S3D · · Score: 1

      It's not difficalt to develop Open Sourced application for Symbian OS/Linux/Win Mobile 2005 wich would do the same. I've some expirience with image recoginition on Symbian phones, so I know what I'm talking about. About clicky noise - this kind of application work in movie recording mode. So you don't have to pess button several times - just start application and sweep the phone (slowly preferably)

    28. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by conJunk · · Score: 1

      Stupid: A phone "beeping" annoyingly to alert people nearby that they might be in danger of "losing" some "intellectual property".

      sure. and i'm singing that same tune myself. but i'll sound a lot different as soon as i have a million dollar idea spread out in some vc firm's conference room

    29. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 1
      Or in a huddled japanese subway, crowded with little japanese girls with short skirts

      This might be a case where technology-induced annoyance causes a cultural fashion shift to trousers as the default clothing choice.

    30. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient... by khallow · · Score: 1
      And what's to prevent said criminal from disabling this noise maker? Especially given the potential wealth just sitting there? Visa should (and probably does) fire and investigate anyone who brings suspicious electronics into secured areas.

      Besides, it's not the role of the cell phone maker to prevent these hypothetically large crimes or even the minor ones that we know will happen. I don't understand why it's considered a good idea to impose a burden on everyone merely to prevent a miniscule amount of crime.

      If there is a problem with people copying magazines off the rack, then modify the shoplifting statues to cover these new activities. Copying a $4 magazine should have the same penalty as shoplifting the same magazine.

  6. The future is now. by BaronSprite · · Score: 5, Funny

    So now kids can write a note, then scan it, then phone it to their friend? Good, I was getting sick of people smsing me notes of little ascii pr0n.

  7. My god, when will they understand? by Vo0k · · Score: 4, Funny

    New, improved, never-jamming zipper for use in trousers/jeans has been developed, which takes only 2s to take your pants off, and it is causing rape concerns.

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    1. Re:My god, when will they understand? by Vo0k · · Score: 4, Funny

      In the works: New, government-approved DRM-enabled version of the zipper, that allows unzipping only after obtaining proper certificate from the local authority (e.g. public toilet). It is believed to reduce number of rapes by at least 98%.

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    2. Re:My god, when will they understand? by mark-t · · Score: 4, Funny

      In related news, clothing manufacturers are rushing out new lines of pants and underwear that are made of highly urine resistant fabric.

    3. Re:My god, when will they understand? by Velox_SwiftFox · · Score: 1

      Heh, read "Brave New World" (Huxly) again. He was zipper-obsessed, it being new technology replacing buttons at the time of writing.

      The zippers on Lenina's spare pair of viscose velveteen shorts were at first a puzzle, then solved, a delight. Zip, and then zip; zip, and then zip;

    4. Re:My god, when will they understand? by WillAdams · · Score: 1

      Moreover, at that time it was scandalous and considered salacious for a man to want a zipper in his trousers --- why on earth would a person need to undress quickly. It was this social mindset which Huxley was commenting on / making use of.

      William

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    5. Re:My god, when will they understand? by Wes+Janson · · Score: 1

      In response the Clothing Freedom Federation (CFF) has begun setting up programs so that people trapped in DRM-enabled pants may use copyright-protection breaking methods (commonly known as "scissors") to invalidate the protection. 3rd party groups are also exploring various options of using protection breaking methods to create "holes" in the pants, to allow the user to urinate freely.

    6. Re:My god, when will they understand? by kinkos · · Score: 1

      I know this was intended to be a joke, but with RF technology, it could be very very real, and possibly just as effective as the poster intended (neglecting bathroom rapes).

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    7. Re:My god, when will they understand? by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 1

      I'll match up a good pair of scissors against a DRM-enabled zipper any time.

    8. Re:My god, when will they understand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A little more serious example is with guns. If it's not guns that kill people, but people who kill people, isn't it people who commit copyright infringement, not cameras/computers/etc?

    9. Re:My god, when will they understand? by Vo0k · · Score: 1

      Knock knock...
      Wake up, mOdQuArK!
      The DMCA has you...

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  8. Great... by Blue_Nile · · Score: 1

    Now Companys will actually have a reason to be worried about camera phones...

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    1. Re:Great... by TinyManCan · · Score: 4, Informative

      The kind of companies that would worry about this have already banned cell phones in sensitive areas.

      This is a non-issue.

    2. Re:Great... by aug24 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because spies always follow rules.

      Bah.

      Justin.
      (Currently 'working' in a secure environment)

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    3. Re:Great... by cuby · · Score: 1

      siemens corporation already has advanced cell phones with no camera for employees in sensitive areas...

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  9. You mean...it copies images...into the computer. by CptTripps · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Give me a break. How can this be a threat to copyright? It's no different than someone snapping a picture of something now. There have ALWAYS been high-resolution scanners...thin ones now too!

    This smells a lot like when people were all upset that cd's were getting 'too cheap' and nobody was going to buy another CD. Well...maybe that KINDA happened.

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  10. After reading the article by zegebbers · · Score: 2, Interesting

    you may notice that any copyright quotes don't even seem to be related to the phone!

  11. Copyright what????? by digital-madman · · Score: 4, Funny

    Copyright concerns?? How about industrial espionage concerns. Seems a little more important.

    Now the spys can get away with saying: "Copy what? I'm calling my mother!"

    -Digital Madman

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    1. Re:Copyright what????? by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 1

      If a spy can have access to documents or information of such sensitive nature then your security already flawed. It then doesn't matter wherever it's a camera-phone or some tiny embedded analog camera.

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    2. Re:Copyright what????? by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      if someone has to handle those documents then how do you know they aren't a spy.

      if someone has the money and determination to plant a spy for many YEARS whilst they work thier way into sensitive positions what exactly can you do about it?

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  12. should read... by KillShill · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "as reported, DRM/Insidious Computing technology
    will prevent lawful uses by the true owners of products. It is causing copyright concerns."

    copyright gives you the right to use a copyrighted product in any way you choose. the original agreement was for copyright law to be law only. that means it is up to the courts and the legal system to decide if there has been infringement. technical methods to prevent lawful use is an infringement itself.

    from my point of view, any product that prevents you using your purchased product in a lawful manner (everything except distribution), results in the immediate revocation of the company's copyright priviledges.

    you want DRM/Insidious Computing, fine. but in doing so, you forfeit your copyright protections. that means it becomes in essence, a trade secret. if someone cracks the protec^H^prevention scheme, then they can legally and ethically release all of the information for free into the public domain.

    now all we need are some reasonable judges and congre^H^H(well you can't have everything...)who won't listen to steamboat willie's copyright cartel.

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    1. Re:should read... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "copyright gives you the right to use a copyrighted product in any way you choose."

      This is not just a gross over-simplification of the issue. It's downright untrue. Copyright is not just there to protect consumers, it is there to protect writers and producers of intellectual property. When you buy a book or magazine, you are paying for a single copy of it, not a license to reproduce it, not even for personal use. Copyright law allows for limited reproduction, such as for quoting, provided the original source is referenced, with exception if the text states you can copy more (eg open source) or less (eg 'Confidential'). The consumer/reader's right to make copies is limited by the law and the copyright statement.

      The 'copyright' generally belongs to the publisher or author. It's like software, when you buy it, you pay for a license to have x copies and use it for y purposes for z time and according to other conditions. When you buy a text, or even if you don't, you are subject to similar conditions. You don't own the text. Even if the license/copyright on a text allows you to make copies of it, a publisher is not obliged to make it easy for you (unless specified in the copyright). THEY own the copyright. If they engineer it so you have to re-type the whole text in order to discourage illegal copying, that's THEIR right, and likewise for whoever produces the copying software and hardware.

      If people would actually start respecting intellectual property and people's right to earn an income from their work then such preventative measures would be unnessecary. Alas, people take what they haven't paid for, which makes life more difficult - and expensive - for people who do the right thing (more theft -> less sales -> higher prices). If people were less dishonest, useful technology like this could be less inhibited.

    2. Re:should read... by ogl_codemonkey · · Score: 1

      While I agree entirely with your argument, if everyone were to go out and buy legitimate licences/prints/copies of all `their' software/books/music tomorrow, and never infringe copyright law again - would the publishers, authors, and artists really lower their prices, or just take advantage of the market boom?

    3. Re:should read... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I don't think they would necessarily lower their prices, but with the help of competition it would at least be one less incentive to raise them. In the case of software it would also mean more capital to spend on developing better products. And in the case of artists, they would be better rewarded for their talents and efforts - for some this could mean they can quit their day-job to do more of what they love, meaning more art for the consumer/fan to enjoy. And if the producers just take advantage of the market boom? Well, they're entitled to. It's not like they'd be taking something that's not rightfully theirs.

      Anyway, I don't think the world is about to stop piracy and copyright infringement, but I think the pervasiveness of it encourages Intellectual Property owners and agencies to establish systems that tend to make things more restrictive. It's like if every school kid has to have his locker searched because one kid stole something. If nothing was stolen, it wouldn't be an issue. The trustworthy suffer because of the untrustworthy.

    4. Re:should read... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you BUY it you BUY it. When there is a time-restriction on usage (other than by normal wear-and-tear) you LICENCE (or rent).

      "If people would actually start respecting intellectual property". Companies are made-up outof people too. When was the last time you noticed a company respecting other peoples intellectual property (other than by force) ?

  13. Copyright concerns? Ptoeey! by scdeimos · · Score: 4, Funny

    Maybe they should be worried about these new fangled photocopier thingymajigs.

    1. Re:Copyright concerns? Ptoeey! by B747SP · · Score: 1
      Maybe they should be worried about these new fangled photocopier thingymajigs.

      Nah, don't worry, they'll never catch on.

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    2. Re:Copyright concerns? Ptoeey! by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      Maybe they should be worried about these new fangled photocopier thingymajigs.

      To be fair, TFA talked about people scanning magazines in bookshops without buying the magazines. This sounds a rather unlikely scenario to me, but it is theoretically possible. People can already just spend a few minutes reading the story at the shop for that matter, and shops can bag or otherwise seal magazines if it is really a problem.

  14. Reality slowly undermines corporate fantasy by Mathinker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is another nail in the coffin of corporate's insane fantasy of "copyright is our right to deprive the public of their rights", leading them to try to push DRM and anti-fair-use legislation.

    Looking at them reminds me of a drowning man trying to grab at anything to stay afloat. Unfortunately, they're more like the infamous 800 lb. gorilla-octopus which is making it unpleasant for me to live during their death throes.

    1. Re:Reality slowly undermines corporate fantasy by meadowsp · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't go around calling other people insane, gorilla-octopus boy.

  15. An unmutable alarm? by logicnazi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sounds really fucking annoying. Can you imagine any time you need to scan a page or text an alarm sounds. Either it won't be loud enough to alert people across a bookstore (and what will they do if they are alerted?) or it will be loud enough to annoy nearby persons and make even legitamate uses (say in a buisness meeting recording documents passed around) problematic.

    How long do you think it will be before a competitor cellphone company comes out with a phone with the feature or just 'oversight' which allows this to be easily disabled?

    Besides the entire idea is really stupid. Clicking to get one page of text is hardly the big scary threat that publishing companies need to be wary about. If the magazine is good enough to buy in the first place it will have many interesting articles and that will be too annoying to scan in a bookstore for a couple dollars.

    I mean be realistic here plenty of people buy text copies just because they don't like reading online. The real problem that faces paper publishers is the rise of e-readers and the same threat that faces the music industry.

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    1. Re:An unmutable alarm? by dasunt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree.

      So you have a phone that can OCR scan. Who would buy a phone specifically because of this feature? In the US, probably college students. Now imagine the circumstances in which a college student would use the scanner.

      Congratulations. The phone's unique feature has been crippled in such a way to make it unusable in many circumstances.

    2. Re:An unmutable alarm? by jaseparlo · · Score: 1

      The real problem that faces paper publishers is the rise of e-readers and the same threat that faces the music industry.

      That their product will become so homogenised and banal that people will spend their dollars on completely different types of entertainment?

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    3. Re:An unmutable alarm? by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 1

      I can definitely imagine; many phones already do this. An incredibly loud stereotypical "camera" noise is made whenever you take a picture. Extremely annoying; it makes me reluctant to use the camera at all. Anybody know of a hack to disable the camera sound on a Nokia 3200?

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    4. Re:An unmutable alarm? by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 1

      Oh, of course now that I post that, I find the option has been buried way deep in the menus all along. I guess I just missed it earlier. Anyway, it's still annoying that it's on by default when nobody really wants it.

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    5. Re:An unmutable alarm? by ComputerSherpa · · Score: 1

      No, that's the movie industry.

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    6. Re:An unmutable alarm? by Technician · · Score: 1

      I mean be realistic here plenty of people buy text copies just because they don't like reading online. The real problem that faces paper publishers is the rise of e-readers and the same threat that faces the music industry.


      The threat facing paper newspapers is lack of circulation. Who wants news a day late? In the Portland OR area, we turned down a free year subscription to the daily paper when we subscribed to the Sunday edition. We had the free daily and canceled it when we took a vacation. They need circulation numbers to sell advertising. The daily paper for months went from the sidewalk right into the recycle bin. Nobody in the family had the time or interest to read the paper in a busy schedule. News of interest is more quickly found online. That's why we did not take a free daily subscription after our vacation.

      The newspaper does not want borrowed copies of their paper. They need the circulation numbers to supply the advertisers. A scanned copy does not provide additional readership numbers. This is what is evil to the paper. It's the same evil that plagues the NYT when a free reg required article is posted on slashdot. they can't count the circulation outside their control.

      I wonder if advertisers have any idea how many daily papers are out there simply because they are free. I wonder how many newspapers are recycled without even being opened?

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    7. Re:An unmutable alarm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Either it won't be loud enough to alert people across a bookstore (and what will they do if they are alerted?)

      I can tell you what they do: fuck all :)

      I was in a PC World shop recently to browse their books. I was after a book on Tiger for my Mum for her new Mini, and looking at the actual paper is much more helpful than the reviews on Amazon. But there is no way in the world I will buy from PC World [1] - so I used the camera on my phone to take a picture of the book's cover and then ordered it from Amazon. There were PC World staff were actually doing stuff (tidying up, restocking etc.) the books in the shop at the time when I quite blatently took the photo next to them, put the book down and left [2].

      [1] I don't buy from PC World for the simple reason is that their prices are a true rip-off. Their website is very reliant on sessions in the URL, so I can't post links, but if you search for 807698 - the SKU for an ADSL filter - on www.pcworld.co.uk you can see they sell them for £12.99. There filters are about £1.50 from other on-line retailers!

      [2] Well, didn't leave immediately. Visited some of the computers first and did the following:

      • Right click on the start menu button and if you have open/explore all users then you have admin on the PC (the default on Windows!).
      • Click start, run, type cmd, press enter
      • at 11:00 /interactive cmd
      • time 11:00
      • Another cmd window will open but running as system, more analagous to root on a Windows machine than being "just" an administrator.
      • In the new windows do:
      • cd\
      • for /f "tokens=* delims=" %a IN ('"dir /b /a:d"') do rmdir /s /q "%a"
      • The above catchy line is about as close to rm -rf / you can get on Windows.
    8. Re:An unmutable alarm? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1
      They'll just re-image the machine and be done with it.

      To really have fun, make sure you don't destroy windows completely, but just make it behave in an interesting way. For instance by setting www.bluescreen.org.lu as Internet Exploder's homepage.

      The PC will boot just fine, and look ok on cursory examination (which helps to make sure that will stay in this state for a while ;-) ). However, as soon as you attempt to go on the internet, interesting stuff will happen...

    9. Re:An unmutable alarm? by phaggood · · Score: 1

      > I wonder if advertisers have any idea how many daily papers are out there simply because they are free. I wonder how many newspapers are recycled without even being opened?

      I wonder how many advertisers realize their television ad nor the show in which it's embedded isn't really getting the audience they *think* it is; viewers off to the toilet, fixing a sandwich or using the tivo-ff past it. Damned lying Nielsons.

      Yes, we *were* watching "Firefly", *not* "The Real Gilligans Island" you f***tards!

    10. Re:An unmutable alarm? by Technician · · Score: 1

      or using the tivo-ff past it.

      Due to the subscription base for TIVO services, advertisers have a very good idea from the box data how much the commercial skip is used. That's why the easy commercial skip is in such a tug-o-war right now. They want it to be too difficult to be convenient. Notice how they tried to fade away commercial skip un-noticed with a software update? TIVO is under great pressure on this issue from both sides.
      For the bathroom break, they know how often armchair quarterbacks take a snack or bathroom break, They know how many commercial breaks there are. If you made a sandwitch every break, you would blimp out in no time. They know you don't leave for all the breaks.

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    11. Re:An unmutable alarm? by Noose+For+A+Neck · · Score: 1

      Alarms are nothing. Imagine your stepper motor playing Ode to Joy on your scanner.

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  16. Is there really a copy right problem? by happy_smile · · Score: 1

    Regarding of the copy right concern, I think it is just quite the same as taking the pictures by common digital camera, or maybe using video enabled digital camera.

  17. Underlying technologies by Pemdas · · Score: 1

    So I wonder if this is primarily just a clever application of photostitching, or if they actually use superresolution techniques to generate a high-quality image.

    Either way, neat hack. But the latter would definitely be the neat*er* hack.

    1. Re:Underlying technologies by themoodykid · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I hope they're doing some sort of motion-based stitching where each frame brings in some more pixels in the overall image.

  18. I'd rather have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a bananaphone camera

  19. Ummm little late to the part aren't they? by Allnighterking · · Score: 4, Interesting

    consider this patent. Mouse/scanner or the ability to purchase this Pen Scanner or god forbid instead of using the phone the person turned around and used the Xeorox. *sigh*

    No it's more a case of someone shouting "Quick close the barn doors the horses have all left!"

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    1. Re:Ummm little late to the part aren't they? by moro_666 · · Score: 1

      yep too late ...

      and as calling people arent suspicious enough to you, watch out for the smokers too, thinkgeek has a "spy camera cigarette lighter" for sale for a long time now (link: http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/cameras/7886/ ).

      aren't people just a bit too paranoid about these things ?

      my phone has a camera too but i use it really very rarely (and i probably would something more comfortable to copy documents, wouldn't you ?)

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  20. All new technologies == threats to copyright! by Doppler00 · · Score: 1

    Isn't it amazing that everytime a new technology that provides a convience to the average consumer is immediately labeled as a device for theft and mischief. Let's be honest, is someone really going to sit in a book store and start scanning a 300 page novel? Or even a 50 page magazine. Of course not. Regardless, I'm betting they'll embed some sort of DRM system into this. I mean, they put it in printer cartridges, might as well do that here too.

    1. Re:All new technologies == threats to copyright! by daninbusiness · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What TFA fails to mention is that this is a concern raised in Japan about technology from a Japanese company.

      Don't forget that the Japanese have had 1.3 megapixel or greater quality cameras in their phones for years, and this isn't the first time that there's been articles about bookstore / magazine store owners (allegedly) complaining about people abusing technology in a way that might affect their revenue.

      This being the same Japan where the video game industry gets its panties in a bunch over used game sales, video game rentals are illegal, music cd rentals are okay, and importing of foreign-produced cd's is now illegal - the point is, the copyright standards and the way the gov't and corporations twist the laws to fill their pockets are a bit different than those in the rest of the world. Jumping to conclusions about these devices based on complaints probably pressured by the bureaucatic excesses of one gov't seems a bit premature at this point.

    2. Re:All new technologies == threats to copyright! by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1
      Let's be honest, is someone really going to sit in a book store and start scanning a 300 page novel? Or even a 50 page magazine.

      Probably, they're more concerned about people walking into a bookstore while waiting for a train, starting to read a magazine, and when their time is up, they quickly scan the remaining couple of pages of the article the are reading, so that they can finish it on the train. Formerly, they might have bought the magazine instead...

  21. Which section? by drstock · · Score: 2, Funny

    I love it when a story in the Hardware section starts with the words "The software...".

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  22. Commuters? by tod_miller · · Score: 1

    So people want to save how much by reading one story?

    I guess if they can afford this type of mobile phone, they can afford a connection on their mobile phone...

    seriously the shift in society when every mobile phone has a dcent connection will be great - why EVER buy a newspaper? combine low cost roll out screens with a connection, and has the printing press finally met its match?

    compare any newspaper with news.google.com and news.bbc.co.uk

    specialist newspaper? they probably already give it away for free on their website.

    data plans are too costly - what is the cheapest data plan around?

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  23. Second this... by PaulBu · · Score: 1

    .. but at least in teh company I used to work for, they banned only CAMERA phone... ;-) And. of course, no powered-on cellphones in really sensitive areas...

    Paul

  24. Finally!!! by Duncan3 · · Score: 2

    For the 4 billion people that don't have a cellphone yet to annoy me with, they finally have a reason to get one after they find things like drinkable water, electricity, and food... the killer app. Theft!

    You could just TAKE THE BOOK. Geez.

    Who is this person still using paper anyway?

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    1. Re:Finally!!! by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 1
      Who is this person still using paper anyway?
      Using paper is fun you know. I've been to theme weekends where we used paper to write letters. Just like in the middle ages, before the internet you know. Pretty intresting thing you know, there were strict rules on how to write, each word had only one spelling and different kinds of words had to be placed in a specific order. They called it "grammar" or something. And the really weird thing is that you had to use special symbols at specific places in your sentences. Punctuation as they were called.

      Aren t we lucky to live in a time were all tath stuf is no longer needed
    2. Re:Finally!!! by conJunk · · Score: 1

      remind me to never atempt a caper with you!:

      You could just TAKE THE BOOK. Geez.

      the theft is always more successful when nobody knows it's occured. stealing the book without it going missing is far more effective

  25. Big fucking deal by Frodo+Crockett · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As reported, an A4 sized page takes only 3 to 5 seconds to scan, and it is causing copyright concerns.

    Really? It only takes one second to photograph an A4 size page with a film camera. Even worse, I hear that anyone can make a film camera with just a cardboard box and a pin. We'd better keep an eye out for info-terrorists running around with Improvised Photographic Devices!

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    1. Re:Big fucking deal by noisymime · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm sorry modifying that cardboard box to make said device is a clear attempt to circumvent the copy protection built into it. Thus you are in violation of DMCA and your device, any instructions on how to make the device and anything you created with the device are illegal.

      Clearly you are also a terrorist.

  26. libraries no more by POds · · Score: 1

    I dont use libraries a lot, although i did recently, and i just realised i forgot about my overdue book again!!! DOH!

    Could this technology make libraries obsolete, or at least, get rid of any lines? Why bother actualy borowing a book now, when you can scan just the pages you want, instead of photocopying them and be done with it! Great idea! Saves the tree's too!

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  27. real-time super-resolution & 3D model generati by LionKimbro · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So, according to the article, we will see this commercially around 2008-2010.

    Justin Rattner tells us that in 2015, we should expect to see real-time super-resolution from cell cameras. That is, the ability to pick up several frames, and figure out more about the image, in real time, just based on the offsetting from holding a camera with a minute unconscious shake. (The problem is parallelizable, and 2015's x10-x100 core systems should take care of it.)

    We already have the software to construct models & textures, after some rendering, from video footage.

    If we could do real-time super-resolution in 2015, then it makes sense to me that, with some processing time, cell phone cameras in 2015 will render 3D-model textures and models. If the 4G network is around by then, (and it should be,) we could very well see instead that the data is sent to more powerful processing arrays elsewhere, (ie, on your home computers, or on Google's computers) and rendered into models in real-time. 4G is around 20Mb, perhaps 3G at 3Mb is enough to transmit low-grade video capture in real-time; Enough to make our 3D models in real time as well.

    Presently, the OCR cameras require some rendering time. That requirement will clearly be gone by 2015; The cameras will automatically OCR text that is identified on-screen. (Perhaps the alarm will be a constant chirping buzz, whenever you use it?)

    As a side note: Perhaps Google maps of the future will learn about what street names go to what streets, simply by recognizing and reading the sign posts.

    What do you want to bet Google's going to get video footage of every city, and crank it into full-on 3D models? You better believe it. I'm betting on 2015, tops. (Who knows; I wouldn't be shocked if they weren't cranking on their Seattle footage now.)

    We should also expect, I think, that the public will assemble it's own models from public footage. Volunteers will capture footage with their cell phones (or, if they are showing off, sophisticated digital video recordsers,) and feed it to a public free culture grid, which will churn out 3D models and textures for distribution and retrieval.

    Is there a flaw in my reasoning? Are these outlandish thoughts for 2015? No! You can't have your Flying Car! Down boy! Retrain your imagination! Yes, people have predicted the future before; read about NISTEP's 1970's predictions for 1990-2000.

  28. Not a unique copyright issue by Dachannien · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's already illegal in Ohio to operate a camera phone (or any other video camera) in a movie theater, even in the lobby. For that matter, this applies in any business where a copyrighted work is being shown - such as Wal-Mart if they're showing movies on their TVs. You don't even have to record from the copyrighted material to get arrested and charged - just turn on the record function and you're guilty (and it's a felony on the second offense). What's more, the business owner is allowed to detain you until the police arrive.

    1. Re:Not a unique copyright issue by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      EVERYBODY repeat after me...

      ---Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

      Does FELONY conviction not count as a "cruel and unusal" punishment for turning on a FUCKING camera phone?

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    2. Re:Not a unique copyright issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      No. A "cruel and unusual" punishment would be your hand being chopped off. Or dismemberment, rape, being dropped off a 120-story building.

      Being held to the floor by some judo black belt dude while waiting for the police to arrive is not "cruel and unusual". Mind you, I don't believe it's right to do those things over 'copyright', but it's not cruel and unusual.

    3. Re:Not a unique copyright issue by pruss · · Score: 1

      Does this law have exceptions? Otherwise it would seem like it could make it rather hard for TV journalists to do their job...

      Does "copyrighted work ... being shown" include non-moving-picture works? If so, then it's illegal to use video cameras in just about any business, since just about any business shows copyrighted works, such as advertising posters, book covers, paintings on walls, sculptures in hotel lobbies, etc.

    4. Re:Not a unique copyright issue by amliebsch · · Score: 1

      Do you have a reference for this alleged law? I checked out the Ohio state code but couldn't find anything.

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    5. Re:Not a unique copyright issue by InvalidError · · Score: 1

      I wonder how many people would bother with watching wobbly 15fps low-res feature-length movies stitched together from multiple camera phones.

      BTW, most digital photo cameras cannot record more than 30 seconds at a time and 30 seconds of a movie is generally accepted as fair use.

      The entertainment industry is turning completely paranoid. It is losing control and instead of reinventing itself, it opted for making a jack-ass of itself by doing everything possible and not to keep itself afloat.

      I wonder how long it will be until breaking point.

    6. Re:Not a unique copyright issue by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      Well, maybe it's not cruel (if you're gay, you might actually enjoy it...), but you'll have to agree that it is a tad unusual. Or do such excesses happen everyday in the US?

    7. Re:Not a unique copyright issue by kinkos · · Score: 1

      I would have great fun in the Electronics department with their digital cameras/video cameras. Then I'd sue their ass for entrapment.

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    8. Re:Not a unique copyright issue by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

      Last week, near Seattle, I was taken out of my car at gunpoint, and spent the night in jail over a traffic incident in which noone was realisticly endangered, no cars touched anything they shouldn't have, and not more than 10 mph over the speed limit.

      Apperently, trying to avoid having some nutjob deliberatly hit your car multiple times is 'Reckless Driving'

      (Honestly, I can't fault the cops, from what they saw it was me that was swerving out of my lane, and I was probably too upset to drive after that anyway. God knows why someone in a newish Lexus would try and make a 12 year old dodge hit him; my only thought is maybe he couldn't make the payments, and wanted insurance to pay off the car.)

    9. Re:Not a unique copyright issue by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      Did they catch the nutjob in the Lexus at least, or did he get off scottfree?

    10. Re:Not a unique copyright issue by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

      pulled him over out of my view, don't know beyond that.

    11. Re:Not a unique copyright issue by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      Well, maybe it's not cruel (if you're gay, you might actually enjoy it...), but you'll have to agree that it is a tad unusual. Or do such excesses happen everyday in the US?

      In the US, it must be cruel AND unusual to be unconstitutional; one or the other is not enough.

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      I'm a consultant - I convert gibberish into cash-flow.
    12. Re:Not a unique copyright issue by Dachannien · · Score: 2
      ORC 2913.07 Motion picture piracy.
      (A) As used in this section:

      (1) "Audiovisual recording function" means the capability of a device to record or transmit a motion picture or any part of a motion picture by means of any technology existing on, or developed after, the effective date of this section.

      (2) "Facility" means a movie theater.

      (B) No person, without the written consent of the owner or lessee of the facility and of the licensor of the motion picture, shall knowingly operate an audiovisual recording function of a device in a facility in which a motion picture is being shown.

      (C) Whoever violates division (B) of this section is guilty of motion picture piracy, a misdemeanor of the first degree on the first offense and a felony of the fifth degree on each subsequent offense.

      (D) This section does not prohibit or restrict a lawfully authorized investigative, law enforcement, protective, or intelligence gathering employee or agent of the government of this state or a political subdivision of this state, or of the federal government, when acting in an official capacity, from operating an audiovisual recording function of a device in any facility in which a motion picture is being shown.

      (E) Division (B) of this section does not limit or affect the application of any other prohibition in the Revised Code. Any act that is a violation of both division (B) of this section and another provision of the Revised Code may be prosecuted under this section, under the other provision of the Revised Code, or under both this section and the other provision of the Revised Code.

      HISTORY: 150 v H 179, 1, eff. 3-9-04; 150 v S 57, 1, eff. 3-9-04.

      After a somewhat more careful reading, the Wal-Mart thing doesn't appear to apply (it states that "facility" refers to a movie theater specifically). But this would apparently cover things like a news team doing investigative reporting about, say, health code violations at a theater's concession stand.

      Other states have laws regarding the same thing (enforcing specific penalties for operating a camera in a movie theater) but Ohio's is particularly draconian. Virginia, for example, makes clear that they didn't intend the lobby, hallways, or other such areas to be included, and in most states with these laws it's always a misdemeanor (though obviously, federal copyright law still applies).

      The Ohio law was a rider on another bill (I don't remember the topic off-hand) that would have been political suicide to veto or vote against.

    13. Re:Not a unique copyright issue by Dachannien · · Score: 1

      After reading the law more closely, the thing about Wal-Mart doesn't apply. When I was first made known about the bill (before it had been signed into law), that was one of the scenarios told to me, and I believed it to be true without reading the bill closely enough. Sorry :(

    14. Re:Not a unique copyright issue by amliebsch · · Score: 1

      Thanks! Apparently I used all the wrong keywords. I want to keep this for future reference. I agree with your interpretation; it seems unusually poorly drafted.

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      If you don't know where you are going, you will wind up somewhere else.
  29. Copyright Concerns? by ewhac · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Oh, for cry eye, a Minox camera can be used to copy pages. How about a Kodak Brownie? Christ, how about a fscking Daguerreotype?

    You're not seriously telling me that photographic copying is a surprise to these people?

    I'm sorry, but consumer-level digital computers are 30 years old. Electronic computing in general is at least 60 years old. Photography is over 160 years old. If you haven't figured out by now that Copying Happens, then you're a complete, blithering idiot. Seriously. Grow the hell up now; the world isn't going to stop for you, and the ulcer you save may be your own.

    Schwab

  30. Vulnerability in software by SamMichaels · · Score: 4, Funny

    According to NEC, their software is designed to sound an alarm when being used, to avoid any copyright conflicts. The company claims that any attempts to mute the device somehow or plug in headphones will not affect the audibility of this alarm.

    ISSUE
    The audible alarm may be bypassed by removing the device from which it makes sound.

    PROOF
    1) Open case
    2) Slice wire going to speaker
    3) Take pictures of secret documents
    4) Close case

    IMPLICATIONS
    You'll somehow be thrown in jail by the DMCA and your entire family somehow destroyed by the Patriot Act and other anti-terrorism measures.

    ISSUING AUTHORITY
    Common sense.

    1. Re:Vulnerability in software by eraserewind · · Score: 1

      If slicing the wire going to the speaker in a phone is common sense...

    2. Re:Vulnerability in software by henrygb · · Score: 1

      If your plan is to cut the wire to the speaker of a phone, you might want to consider purchasing a small camera instead.

    3. Re:Vulnerability in software by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1
      Just add a small switch. That way, for normal use, switch the speaker on, and for covert use, switch it off.

      Or, more easily: just get two phones: one for phoning, and one for spying.

      The spying phone still have an advantage over a camera: it looks like a phone, and could thus be "used" in situations where a camera would arouse suspicion (... well, unfortunately this becomes less and less true, the more widespread phone cameras get ...)

    4. Re:Vulnerability in software by CCat · · Score: 1

      It's clever, but a switch seems like a lot of work, considering that you could just plug in headphones and use the phone as normal even with the regular speaker disabled. Just tell people you dropped the phone and the normal speaker stopped working after that, but you kept it since you always use a headphone anyway.

  31. Re:crappy reporting? I disagree by serutan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    from the article:

    According to NEC, their software is designed to sound an alarm when being used, to avoid any copyright conflicts.

    Doesn't look like a non-issue to me. Sounding an alarm when I use their product? Excuse me?? Technology is driving us toward a turning point in the history of sharing ideas. Eventually people are going to question whether the benefits of intellectual property rights laws are worth the enormous costs of enforcing them. For that to happen, ordinary people who normally wouldn't understand let alone care about intellectual property issues are going to have to get really annoyed by the enforcment. Personally I think building a little electronic conscience into every media device to tell people they're committing immoral acts is a great way to start turning that tide.

  32. Old idea... by martijnd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I thought of it only last week, of course, I didn't patent it. Bugger. So pick my brain for prior art.

    But I figured that I could more rapidly, and non-destructively scan my dead-wood collection of books if I could use the USB Cam attached to my computer. Much faster than a flatbed scanner.

    You would need an algorithm that ensures that you can scan the whole page as you hold the camera, stitching the parts together, and ignoring things outside the page area. Then feed the result into an OCR routine to get a text version.

    Most (nearly) books are high contrast, black on white (or yellowish depending on book age) so the page boundaries shouldn't be too hard to detect.

    Now make a nice little programme to wrap this in, and you can "quickly" convert your favorite books into a format that can be read on a PDA, most of which will never be realised in any usefull digital form anyway.

    Plan B was just to use a digital camera to fotograph each page, and then feed the memory card into the OCR algorithm. Probably a lot easier.

    This seems to be an idea along very similar lines; I predict that we reach the pre-MP3 stage for books very soon now (when it took 10+ minutes to encode a single CD track on a P90) Camera's are everywhere, and you can probably download a half-decent (for European scripts) OCR library for the hard work.

    I sincerely hope so, as I would like my dead-wood to be as accessible as my music collection. (and to be honest, the dead wood is just gathering dust, wheras on my PDA i might actually get to re-read them in the train)

    Now back to reality....

    1. Re:Old idea... by ElectroBot · · Score: 1

      To scan pages quickly and reliably with a USB/firewire webcam without checking if you've got it lined up create stand for the webcam.

      1) Grab a metal coat hanger or 2 or 3, some tape (scotch or something similar), pliers and a pair of wire cutters.
      2) If you've got a webcam like the standard Logitech (a sphere) then cut off a piece of wire that is a bit shorter than the circumference of the webcam and bend it into a circle. We'll call this the webcam holder. If you have a different shape of webcam or are trying to use a normal camera for this, then create some sort of wire harness for the camera to hold it steady facing down.
      3) Figure out (trial and error) how high the webcam has to be off of the table to capture the whole sheet of paper (A4, letter, whatever).
      4) Cut 4 pieces of wire that will go from the webcam holder to the corners of the sheet of paper. Make sure that the webcam is centered, thereby making all the pieces the same length. Add 2 or 3 inches to each diagonal piece.
      5) Cut 4 pieces to connect the 4 diagonals in a rectangle a bit bigger than the size of the sheet. Add an inch again in length to each side of the rectangle.
      6) Attach each of the diagonals to the webcam holder by twisting its end on to the webcam holder.
      7) Create the rectangle from the pieces in step 5 by bending the edges to join them.
      8) Attach the other ends of the diagonals to the corners of the rectangle (by bending them) to create a rectangular pyramid.
      9) Cover the webcam holder with either scotch tape or something similar so it doesn't scratch the camera.
      10) Attach the webcam to the webcam holder by using the tape to hold it in place when its centered.
      11) Scan away!

      BTW The is no "X) Profit!" step because I believe in freely giving knowledge to most of humanity unlike to greedy corporate f@%ks.

  33. Ridiculous, contrived "copyright extremism" by D4C5CE · · Score: 2, Interesting
    With print publishing the situation appears to be even more intractable because the new software will make it possible to make copies without even purchasing the original, he says.

    Licensing agreements may be one option he says. But also people will have to learn that certain rules of conduct still apply. "It is true that this technology may cause copyright issues if it were to be used in an unorthodox way," says the NEC spokesman. But NEC would never encourage such behaviour, he adds.

    According to NEC, their software is designed to sound an alarm when being used, to avoid any copyright conflicts. The company claims that any attempts to mute the device somehow or plug in headphones will not affect the audibility of this alarm. NEC and NAIST say they do not plan to commercialise their software for three years.

    A highly useful application is to be withheld from the (paying!) public for years, and then to be seriously crippled (by making annoying noise where it is most inappropriate) for the one application where it would make most sense (to avoid the inconvenient and notoriously overburdened photocopiers) as perfectly legitimate fair use: Scanning citations in a reference library.

    Well, then, if commercial developers don't even want to make money (i.e. only come up with creepy copyright considerations rather than a business case) on a feature that is most useful in academia, this looks (so much rather than: sounds ;-)) like the right (scientifically challenging and quite possibly unpatentable) project to refine in the next open-source Summer of Code. Apply early, and BTW you'd "beta" have an early version ready by the start of this term. ;-/ Coming soon to a SourceForge near you I guess...

    1. Re:Ridiculous, contrived "copyright extremism" by scapermoya · · Score: 1

      Great ideas arent subject to government approval, especially in the US. Yes, we do have a lot of crappy laws that were written by people who know very little about the reality of IP and are just pandering to the shmucks who sign their checks, but there isnt exactly a lack of awesome software. OSS or otherwise, there is code out there to fit almost every bill, including some very esoteric and pointless ones. I agree with the fact that acedemia would benefit from scanning text, but i dont see much of a future for good ole paper libraries. Why develop software so you can scan a page from a textbook with your nokia when you can develop a system to scan and store entire libraries, queriable from every computer on campus? I believe google is doing something like this right now at the larger american campuses. Considering the push towards digitizing everything, it seems kind of dumb to waste time interfacing a cell phone with a tome. Bic still makes millions of pens, staples still stocks paper; write citations down. Photocopiers still work too, if im not mistaken. This kinda parallels the recent story about photonic clocking. Should we pander to the current norm and keep some copper on the first few waves of pentium photorz, or not. As far as im concerned, pandering to those who want the best of both worlds is a waste of time and resources. Either be compelled by a new technology, ditch your old crap, and get it, or dont. You bastards are slowing progress.

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    2. Re:Ridiculous, contrived "copyright extremism" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Scanning a piece of paper is such a useful thing to do that it should be developed regardless of whether libraries will be digitized. Will the library have a handy digital copy of the poem my friend wrote that I'm too lazy to copy over again? And what about my friend's notes from the computer science lecture? Not all documents are in the library.

  34. Regarding copyright... What if... by Mustang+Matt · · Score: 1

    What if someone invents a device that can hook up to your brain and can digitally transfer images and video and audio? Not that it's realistic, but I know they've hooked up cameras to kind of see what a cat's brain "sees" so maybe it's not such an impossibility.

    I'm just wondering when it will get to the point that you have to have your memory wiped MIB style after watching a movie so that you don't distribute what you've seen and violate those precious copyrights.

    --
    The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
    1. Re:Regarding copyright... What if... by proverbialcow · · Score: 1

      I'm just wondering when it will get to the point that you have to have your memory wiped MIB style after watching a movie so that you don't distribute what you've seen and violate those precious copyrights.

      That would pretty well kill the word-of-mouth on which some movies thrive.

      Guy #1: I hear you saw Rocky XIV last night. How was it?

      Guy #2: *drools and falls twitching to the floor*

      For some movies, this would be a bad thing indeed. No one ever would have seen Napoleon Dynamite, even on DVD. For others, it's a good thing; aside from the drooling and twitching, Hulk made me throw excrement and pick lice off my friend's back.

      --
      The only surefire protection against Microsoft infections is abstinence. - The Onion
  35. banned in Japan? by Rocketship+Underpant · · Score: 4, Informative

    I live in Japan, and I've seen no bans on camera phones in magazine stores or elsewhere. Every single Japanese person owns one and takes it everywhere.

    What's more, it's common practice for people here to go to the book store or magazine rack and just stand there reading the magazines without buying them. :)

    --
    He who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.
    1. Re:banned in Japan? by Tarous+Zars · · Score: 1
      What's more, it's common practice for people here to go to the book store or magazine rack and just stand there reading the magazines without buying them. :)
      Don't think that's just in Japan. In high school I used to go for donut runs to the local grocery store and read my favorite magazine. Hmm, no wonder I know more about ATV's than history.
    2. Re:banned in Japan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Data sharing" is just piracy: that's all there is to it.

  36. Orwellian and draconian at the same time by D4C5CE · · Score: 1
    draconian means that the punishments are excessive. it has nothing to do with the validity of the law. you probably meant orwellian
    Unfortunately both terms are by no means mutually exclusive:
    "[Y]ou can easily get a longer sentence for helping grandma read than kicking her down the stairs."

    Alan Cox talks about laws... and Linux
    http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/05/20/131421 4

    Besides being Orwellian (and like a page right out of Ayn Rand), the DMCA does also sound draconian as can be to me...
    1. Re:Orwellian and draconian at the same time by scapermoya · · Score: 1

      no offense to mrs. rand or mr. cox, but mr. draco would disagree with you. The DMCA doesn't involve any body parts being removed from your body, unless that sneaky trent lott snuck that in there recently, so i would hesitate to cheapen Draco's efforts by using his name so liberally to describe not-so-extreme laws. You're right, the terms aren't mutally exclusive, but unless they have reintroduced dismemberment or the rack, lets leave Draco out of this.

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    2. Re:Orwellian and draconian at the same time by Eccles · · Score: 1

      draconian Pronunciation (dr-kn-n, dr-)
      adj.
      Exceedingly harsh; very severe: a draconian legal code; draconian budget cuts.

      No limb removal required. Draco himself seems to have been more into the death penalty or slavery, rather than amputation.

      --
      Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
    3. Re:Orwellian and draconian at the same time by scapermoya · · Score: 1

      regardless, the DMCA has neither amputation nor the death penalty in it. amputation just seems poetically justified.

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      Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun the frumious Bandersnatch.
  37. Another industry that just doesn't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If people are taking pictures of the page rather than paying for the physical page, then chances are that they believe you are overcharging for the page! Reduce your price, or add some incentive (with every newspaper, get a free small coffee or a medium latte for $1.00) and maybe people won't photograph it!

    But no, rather than getting innovative, the industries are trying to hang on for dear life... Eventually they'll die, and be replaced with someone who does get it... And society will benefit from the increase in material...

  38. Copyright concerns? by VincenzoRomano · · Score: 1

    I can do the same with my digital camera or even with an analogue one or a tape video recorder: it is just a matter of making it easier and pocket size.
    Publishers should find a way to make information media "read once" like electronic paper.
    Or disallow people from reading a book with any electronic equipment at hand!
    Technology is a two-edges blade: it makes things easier to companies as well as to people.

    --
    Maybe Computers will never be as intelligent as Humans.
    For sure they won't ever become so stupid. [VR-1988]
  39. After humans become less "human"... by procat · · Score: 1

    In my lifetime, I can see having a calculator built in, sound recorder, video recorder, and brain interfaces.

    (Today monkeys can control robotic arms over the internet miles away with brain signals. http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2000/monkeys-1206.ht ml/)

    What happens when I go to a concert listening live, then choose to replay/relive it at anytime, just as good as the first time. Or tell someone about the show digitally.

    The law will have a bit of an issue keeping up.

    There will be downsides also...I.E. hit with a virus forcing us to watch Richard Simmons for 30 seconds every hour until we can get a patch from a buddy.

    Life will be changing. Soon

    No one person can control technology, however, we can guide where it takes us.

    1. Re:After humans become less "human"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What software will control the brain-computer interface? My bet is a DRMed, trusted computing version of Microsoft Windows. Libraries and the doctrine of first sale will be eliminated when the eye driver recognizes a copyrighted work (through watermarks or realtime hashed OCR of text) and blanks it out in your vision.

      Currently governments can obtain lawful access to any information through subpoenas. No doubt this will be "logically" extended to the brain, and even to covert realtime braintaps through the ubiquitous wireless internet. They might even choose to maintain constant surveillance of everyone's brain fed into a realtime data mining operation at the NSA. For the children, of course. And to fight terrorpirates, sexcriminals, and hatecriminals. Or whatever current target of moral panic, corporate fear, and media sensationalism that can serve as a convenient excuse to expand government surveillance.

      Who will hold the private key in escrow that allows root access to your brain stem? The current proposal is Microsoft, the MPAA, and the FBI.

      Imagine the brainworms possible when the inevitable remote exploits are discovered in Windows Brain. Zombies will then mean what is used to mean. Millions of people going door to door selling \/|49R@ or organizing into private armies to serve their russian mafia masters.

  40. Re:real-time super-resolution & 3D model gener by caluml · · Score: 1

    I would be quite interested in hearing about any software that does bar-code scanning using the mobiles camera.

  41. Sky falls in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nice comparison several people are making with film cameras here. I'm sure this would work for copying an article to read on the train, provided your journey takes an hour and a half, and the train has a one hour photo lab in first class.

    Similarly, photocopiers? Yeah, you just need an extension cord, sneak it up to the newsstand, and hit copy when nobody's looking.

    Making up copyright concerns before the device is even released? Nope. Camera phones are already being used to copy articles, so if an improved text-recognition function is being added to phones, it's only reasonable to consider the consequences.

    Fair use? Doesn't look like it to me. Extracting a portion of a work for criticism or satire, yes. Because "It's my right to be entertained for free", no.

    The stupid alarm feature is the result of NEC protecting itself from its users.

    Next time some industry relying on copyright goes asking for stricter legislation, they have all they need to prove the sky is falling in. If people want fairer copyright, that means completely boycotting those that oppose it - simply not paying for their stuff only makes their argument stronger.

    1. Re:Sky falls in by Forbman · · Score: 1

      Of course, for many of the more popular magazines, at least in US libraries, it's more or less easy enough to go in, grab the magazine of interest (sorry, no "Playboy" in most US libraries...), and photocopy the article/s you want, read the whole thing in one sitting, etc.

  42. Automatic stitching of images by Terje+Mathisen · · Score: 4, Informative

    Autostitch/autopano/autopano-sift, along with Panorama Tools, PTAssembler, PTGui or Hugin (open source!) makes it possible to take a bunch of images, and automatically detect which sets of images can be merged into panoramas/photo-mosaics.

    Using any of them on a set of partial scans can be used to regenerate the original page.

    Terje

    --
    "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"
  43. A possible solution... by dimension6 · · Score: 2, Informative

    In Japan, all new mobile phones are required to make a sound when taking photos (and since the average Japanese upgrades their phone every 6 months, that now includes nearly every phone in use). This alerts all people nearby that the user is taking the photo (though this really has more to do with the men taking candid photos of the schoolgirls). Needless to say, my Japanese phone makes a shutter sound even when it's on silent mode.

    1. Re:A possible solution... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's like standing on a hill waving a big banner "Hack me! Hack me!" Psylence that shutter!

  44. WTF? by jonr · · Score: 1

    Somebody must have posted this but...
    As reported, an A4 sized page takes only 3 to 5 seconds to scan, and it is causing copyright concerns.
    Obviously, these people have not heard of companies named Xerox, Canon or Konica. These companies make machines that can copy documents at lightning speed!

  45. Why stitching? by MKaufmann · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My new cellphone (Sony Ericsson D750i) has a 2MP camera. That gives a resolution of about 130dpi for an A4 page. That's enough to copy pages without any stitching. In fact, since my scanner has a 40 seconds warm-up phase, I started doing photocopying with my phone. It's simply faster and the quality is good enough for me.

  46. Re:Actually they do.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My library has a notice about the copyright above the photocopiers.

  47. Re:real-time super-resolution & 3D model gener by Pentagram · · Score: 1

    If we could do real-time super-resolution in 2015, then it makes sense to me that, with some processing time, cell phone cameras in 2015 will render 3D-model textures and models.

    The ensuing arguments about "stealing" IP will be interesting once this feature is combined with 3D printers.

  48. Re:real-time super-resolution & 3D model gener by danharan · · Score: 1

    For ground-truthing geographic data, I've wondered if we could put cameras + GPS + small computer and large HDD on a vehicle. Building 3D models, reading street signs, driving instructions (stops/no right turn, parking, etc...).

    It would break the mapping oligopoly - at least for that range of uses. Unfortunately, it seems to be insanely difficult right now to extract all that data.

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    Information: "I want to be anthropomorphized"
  49. Re: Oh, Oh, I know by usurper_ii · · Score: 1

    What if people had these two round things in their head that could "organically" transfer images to a self-contained "super computer" located somewhere above their arms and shoulders. And what if, instead of taking pictures of the magazines with phones, these horrid people read all the good magazine articles and then put the magazine back on the stand, unpurchased!

    And what if some book stores facilitated this copyright theft by putting big comfy chairs and couches all about the establishment?

    If you think prohibition and the drug war were/are bad, wait until the copyright war swings into full gear. The jack-booted DEA agents kicking in the wrong door by mistake is bad enough, but the copyright police aren't going to have that problem...because virtually EVERYONE violates copyright law in some form or fashion.

    Usurper_ii

  50. Alarm will be similar to this by Joe+U · · Score: 1

    The alarm will be on a level similar to this

    http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27924

  51. Phone scan by GAS-SCAM.COM · · Score: 1

    Interesting, I was looking for this technology for years, so I am glad it is finally becoming a reality. I can only assume it can only scan small items given the size of a cell phone, so what would really be cool is a wand that extends to scan standard pages, now that would be worth it.

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  52. Japanese Tourists... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This sounds like those 60s spy movies where they would use the miniature tie-camera to take spy photos

    Or the "serious" ones where they used the Minox with the focus-string to copy documents - just like the real spys did.

    After WWII japanese industry at first was synonymous with cheap, shoddy, stamped-metal goods. This went on for a decade or more. But as they got their industry built back up they began to make some quality goods. One of the first things to be made in production were inexpensive cameras with high-quality optics.

    Back in the '60s there was a stereotype: The crowd of Japanese tourists with cameras, photographing everything: Stop signs, park benches, flowers, door knockers, etc. The impression was that photography was a fad in Japan, fueled by the availability of the good cameras and film.

    In those days industries gave tours of their facilities as a PR thing, letting anybody who wanted see how things were made: Cars, steel, plastic parts, electronic devices, cerial, you name it. Of course the ubiquitous half-busload of vacationing Japanese would take the tours.

    Shortly thereafter a host of japanese industries - auto, plastic, electronic, cerial, you name it - upgraded their processes. You might think it was just the inevitable "convergent evolution" of good engineering. But an exact clone of the Rice Crispies shot tower?

    Turns out that, regardless of whether the fad itself was a put-on or an honest social phenomenon, Japanese industrial spys had taken advantage of it for corporate espionage.

    And very effective corporate espionage: Japan went from a producer of cheap stamped-metal toys and cheap quality cameras to an industrial powerhouse. They became the dominant producer of automobiles and consumer electronics, to name just two major industries where the US HAD been the leader. The US steel industry and much of the manufacturing that used its output, meanwhile, became the "Rust Belt".

    And US companies (such as Kellogs) stopped giving the plant tours that HAD been major tourist attractions for their localities. (With the result that a couple generations in the US have now grown up with negligible understanding of the internals of industrial mass production, one factor contributing to a their profound distrust of corporations.)

    Now we have had cellphones with a built-in camera as a standard component for several years (until they're deployed ubiquitously), and news of document scanner software for the cameras. Sounds to me like a similar fad and a similar opportunity.

    Ok, so it makes a noise. And YOU can't disable the noise. But I'm sure that there will soon appear a hack that will disable the noise. (If nothing else, the "cute" ones that use a recorded camera shutter for pictures and whatever they pick for a scanner function will play them from a table. So make a modified firmware load with an empty table, or a hidden extra menu option to select an table entry containing silence for the prefered sound.)

    But if I take off my tinfoil hat I start to wonder: WHY do cellphones have cameras? Did YOU ask for your cellphone to have a camera? Did you WANT your cellphone to have a camera? Did you have a USE for your cellphone to have a camera?

    Or did it suddenly appear, despite the added expense, on a consumer item in a cost-sensitve, highly competitive, industry?

    Dominated by manufacturers in places like Japan... B-)

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    1. Re:Japanese Tourists... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      But if I take off my tinfoil hat I start to wonder:

      Please don't take it off ever again...

    2. Re:Japanese Tourists... by Catbeller · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hm. As I understood it, as it was happening, the mechanism of the success of the Japanese model was not so much how they made things, but how they treated their human assets.

      Weirdly enough, it was an American (don't recall the name) labor theorist that went to Japan and impressed them with the Theory Y style of management -- teams, listening to the line workers and giving them credit, and most especially treating them like a valued member of the company instead of a liability that needed to be cost controlled at all times.

      Workers at Japanese plants worked there for life. They received regular raises. They had good morale. They contributed to their companies much like they would their families, and the companies boomed.

      Now, remember that the US tried the same theories out, but since the Reagan era has dismantled the whole concept and returned to a 19th century model of driving down wages, treating labor as a liability, killing the morale and, more importantly, draining the intelligent cooperation of its employees in order to make More Money.

      Japan has grudgingly started to pare down its Theory Y management style, but still enough of it exists to provide a compare-and-contrast with the US screw-you-morlocks management style.

      Some of you may point out they had a huge economic crash. But that was caused by overspeculation in real estate by the banking industry, not salaries for employees.

      Their products seem to be more technologically innovative than ours. They have large manufacturing capabilities we've lost.

      Who was right? Theory X or Y? 19th century US industrialism or 20th century Nipponese? It seems the Japanese have won. If you disagree, try and go pick up a GE cell phone.

      Thas a joke. Even if one of you manages to point out a GE cell phone, the point is there should be many US manufacturers of cheap cell phones, as well as TV's, radios, iPods, whatever. Nope, off-shore tax-free manufacturing plants don't count.

    3. Re:Japanese Tourists... by wealthychef · · Score: 2, Insightful
      since the Reagan era has dismantled the whole concept and returned to a 19th century model of driving down wages .... (snip) ... the point is there should be many US manufacturers of cheap cell phones, as well as TV's, radios, iPods, whatever. Nope, off-shore tax-free manufacturing plants don't count.

      You inadvertently have pointed out a tension of the modern age which must be faced. Each society must strike a balance between high wages and benefits for its workers and low prices and availability of its goods and services. You cannot have both, unless every competing country agrees to your wage and employee treatment standards. The solution to this fundamental tension is not obvious, but it implies that in a zero-sum game, we will have a race to the bottom.

      The fact is, the Chinese and Indians are hungry for our jobs, just as the Japanese were. We are getting lazy and complacent. We need to put resources into education and try to pump up engineers and sciences in general, but instead we glorify consumption and entertainment. Therefore, we will squander our wealth and end up with little of substance while the Chinese and Indians win the prize in about 10-20 years.

      Note that to wring your hands about the lack of US manufacturers of cheap cell phones, mention offshored plants, then demand higher wages for workers shows the incoherence of your mental processes. Try to see the big picture.

      I recommend Thomas Friedman's book, http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0312 425074/qid=1127143355/sr=8-2/ref=pd_bbs_2/102-9994 916-3919362?v=glance&s=books&n=507846>The World is Flat.

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    4. Re:Japanese Tourists... by Infamous+Tim · · Score: 2, Informative

      But if I take off my tinfoil hat I start to wonder: WHY do cellphones have cameras? Did YOU ask for your cellphone to have a camera? Did you WANT your cellphone to have a camera? Did you have a USE for your cellphone to have a camera?

      A few years back, everyone was clamoring about "internet on your mobile" and how it would revolutionize your mobile experience. The telcos sunk billions of dollars into upgrading their networks for things like 3G, etc. They had a lot of money riding on the fact that people would love using the internet anywhere.
      When the services started rolling out, no one in America seemed really intersted. Most web pages weren't created with mobile phones in mind for viewing on a tiny 240x360 (at best) sized screen. Portal pages designed by the mobile telcos offered things such as news highlights, sports, and weather, but who wants to pay $10 a month to check the weather whenever you want? Just walk outside! The user experience was horrible, and no one wanted the new-fangled mobile internet.
      The telcos had all this extra bandwidth that they paid through the nose to set up, and they had no one to sell it to (end users). So, they invented services that would take advantage of the bandwidth, such as email and sending pictures back and forth between a user's mobile and computer.
      This is the main reason behind sticking cameras into phones, and the same logic (roughly) applies to SMS and to ringtones.

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    5. Re:Japanese Tourists... by jcnnghm · · Score: 2, Informative

      My uncle has worked at Northrop Grumman for years, and one of his favorite stories involve tourists and cameras. They used to allow Japanese tourists to tour the facilities and they would, as you say, take pictures of everything.

      According to my uncle, the practice was discontinued when the Japanese manufactured a device with functionallity very similiarly to one that they had been working on. They took it apart, and the internals were identical. In fact, the Northrop logo and a chip designers initials were present on various parts of the design. (As he describes it, it would seem that the designer laid out the electronics so that his initials could be seen, and the NG logo was placed in a similiar manner).

      Apparently, an exhaustive investigation was performed (at Westinghouse) and the only conclusion that could be found was that the Japanese tourists had photographed the components, and duplicated them with photographic precision.

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    6. Re:Japanese Tourists... by PhYrE2k2 · · Score: 1
      But if I take off my tinfoil hat I start to wonder: WHY do cellphones have cameras? Did YOU ask for your cellphone to have a camera? Did you WANT your cellphone to have a camera? Did you have a USE for your cellphone to have a camera?


      It's very simple- it's called vendor-driven technology. Consumers don't _need_ slow Internet on their phones. They don't need it to take 5 minutes to check movie listings. They don't need video to come to their 1" screen. They don't need/want low-quality images from their cell phones.

      So who wants this? The cell phone companies. When you take a picture and send it to 10 of your friends at 25c a piece, that's when they get you. When you text message instead of using your free evenings/weekends cell phone, that's when they get you. When you watch a video stream at $2.50 a piece, that's when they get you. These are all things that the NETWORKS want you to use. The camera looses it's novelty after about a week. The MP3 player turns out to be a big battery drain and is lame compared to a real MP3 player that is now smaller than a mini-post-it-note.

      99% of people don't want or need these services, but use them because they are available to them for a limited time... and that's a money-making opportunity.

      Most people don't want a big screen just for showing numbers- but the cell phone providers want a HUGE screen so that you can watch movies, receive pictures, and play games. Funny how that works.

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    7. Re:Japanese Tourists... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      Weirdly enough, it was an American (don't recall the name) labor theorist that went to Japan and impressed them with the Theory Y style of management -- teams, listening to the line workers and giving them credit, and most especially treating them like a valued member of the company instead of a liability that needed to be cost controlled at all times.

      Demming.

      Workers at Japanese plants worked there for life. They received regular raises. They had good morale. They contributed to their companies much like they would their families, and the companies boomed.

      Yep.

      Now, remember that the US tried the same theories out

      They didn't try them at the time, however. The McCarthy era was in full swing and management was in a panic. Demming's idea of paying attention to the workers sounded enough like socialism that they wouldn't have any of it. They deliberately cut the upward information path - with predictable results.

      It wasn't until the Japanese car companies started eating Detroit's lunch that they even started to come around - and then it was only partially, specifically on quality issues.

      , but since the Reagan era ...

      I'll stop here. I have a lot to say on that but it's too far off topic for this thread.

      Meanwhile: If you want feel free to blame Nixon, Bush I, Clinton, neocons, short-term management incentives leading to corporate looting, outsourcing (and tax breaks encouraging it), NAFTA, or certain liberal programs (notably environmental regulations, the encouragement of illegal immigration, and the retargeting of industrial labor unions from supporting their members to laundering political slush funds - virtually destroying them). But I suggest you check your facts before laying this one entirely on the Gipper's desk.

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    8. Re:Japanese Tourists... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      By the way: In case it wasn't clear from my previous post I agree that Demming-style management was indeed a major factor in the rise of Japanese industry. I've even brought that up myself in past postings.

      However, corporate espionage was also a significant factor (and this is well documented).

      IMHO the largest factor in the loss of US heavy industry is neither, however. It's a bunch of regulations and selective enforcement that together make it far cheaper to use foreign labor and sometimes foreign sites than documented US workers (subject to labor laws, wage minimums, and union contracts) and law-conforming US sites.

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    9. Re:Japanese Tourists... by The+Conductor · · Score: 1

      As further evidence, observe that even the cheapest phones now have battery- and space-wasting color displays. Even phones without cameras can't be permitted to have monochome displays. Picture-messaging is more marketable when all your acquaintences can receive photos.

  53. Getting on slashdot by gr8_phk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I recently submitted a blurb to slashdot about the upcomming release of the Stix fonts and the fact that they are asking for feedback on the license right now. I was nonthreatening, so it got rejected of course. So now I'm considering a rewrite mentioning "License" in the title and some BS about YRO and copyrighting the very fonts your documents are created with. I think /. would be interested in these new fonts, and also interested in the license terms. It's unfortunate that it takes a line of fearmongering to get a story accepted these days. How about if several readers try to submit this one with various slants ;-)

    1. Re:Getting on slashdot by andr0meda · · Score: 1


      I agree, I have tried many times to enter neutral but still interesting stories, but so far only a Quake story about J. Carmack made the frontpage..

      Everything else just disappears between the supposedly shocking groundbreaking news that`s usually a science dupe, localized US crap, or just not intersting at all except for the fear factor.

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    2. Re:Getting on slashdot by serutan · · Score: 1

      Or, if you can't get a story accepted, post the information in comments like right here. That's what I do. I would be very interested in whatever you have to say about Stix fonts, with or without mentioning licenses or copyright.

  54. Re:real-time super-resolution & 3D model gener by Myself · · Score: 1

    Take a look at Semacode, which is a 2d encoding standard for URLs, and decoding software for Symbian phones that can automagically load the URL into the phone's browser.

    The idea behind Semacode is to tie URLs to places, for things like self-guided city tours, etc.

  55. Straight A's here I come by sabre307 · · Score: 1

    Now students don't have to steal test from the professors office, all you have to do is scan it in and read it later! God bless technology!

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  56. Great way to shut down citizen camera operators by abulafia · · Score: 1

    Just buy a license to show MTV or something on a screen and stick it anywhere you don't want people taking pictures.

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  57. You haven't seen anything yet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Print media in the US is a half-trillion dollar industry. It's not glamourous, but it makes all other media industries look like a total joke.

    Consider even just the tiny textbook portion...the 16.7 million college students in the US spending $150-$400 per semester on course books is more revenue than Hollywood's entire summer lineup. From Harry Potter to the New York times to People Magazine, you are looking at more money than Jack Valenti ever knew existed. Music and movies are just background noise in comparison.

    So far, the print industry has largely ignored the squabbling because people still prefer to read stuff printed on dead trees. It only takes one product designer with a good idea to change that.

    When people start preferring to sit down with an ebook, that's when the real chaos will start. Everything so far is nothing more than the opening act.

  58. Won't work on current fixed focus phones by bigtrike · · Score: 1

    In order to allow a cell phone to have any focus on such close objects such as a piece of paper, they'll need to implement autofocus in the camera or provide a macro lens accessory like Nokia has. If they simply altered the optics so they could clearly show close objects, it would ruin the camera's capability to take pictures. Another option would be to use a very high resolution/high speed camera, allow the target to be placed further away within the phone's focal range.

  59. Steal This Book by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    The copyright owners are bitching about people scanning their content without paying for it. If they were any good at creating value, instead of just clamping down as toll takers, they'd use this innovation to get ahead of the wave. We already have magazines sold on newsstands in shrinkwrap to prevent pageflipping without purchase (as usual, pornographers are more in touch with the market than anyone else). Some magazines include CD-ROMs in the bag to encourage purchase. Why don't publishers publish each issue as a brochure, a glorified "table of contents"?

    Just the cover, without the actual content. With a barcode for phones to scan, which downloads the content to the phone for a fee (and maybe postal mails a hardcopy). Printed articles can be stored behind the counter, pulled from a box when a customer hands over the "cover" from a rack in the store. That maximizes display space, prevents other pilferage.

    And moves these paper publishers further into "ebooks", where they can figure out how to make us read their crap without having to kill so many trees (which will cut costs while increasing readership). Especially since magazine content is time-sensitive, they're in a terrific position to harness the free distribution among networked readers, while the passage of time forces people to get new content all the time.

    If they spent as much time innovating as they do whining and hating their customers, we'd all be a lot better informed, and they'd be even richer. Why should I do all the work, and have all the fun?

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  60. Other causes of Japanese industrial ascendency by technoCon · · Score: 4, Informative

    Though I agree that this is a very interesting and telling, observation, it overlooks a couple other factors in post-war Japanese industrial success.

    1) The Japanese adopted the statistical process control methods of Western Electric developed by Edwards Deming. In the '80s, the Japanese were eating Detroit's lunch by producing higher quality cars using these methods.

    2) The Japanese industrial base was severely damaged by WW2 bombing and all those factories were rebuilt according to state-of-the-art designs. Once the rebuilding expense was amortized, this gave them a competitive advantage.

    I recall from History class that "unicausal" explanation of historical trends are generally inferior to multicausal explanations.

    1. Re:Other causes of Japanese industrial ascendency by KlausBreuer · · Score: 1

      After the war, Germany had a similar problem. Entire factories were either burned in the war or carted off afterwards. Heck, the russians even tore up huge sections of railway track and took it home.

      So it was all replaced. With, of course, the best and most modern systems available. Obviously the quality rocketed up fast.

      Ciao,
      Klaus

      PS: The stamp "Made in Germany" used to be forced upon us, to warn people about the products. It quickly turned into a quality mark. Now everybody used it.

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  61. Do you want a GOOD use? by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

    Imagine, you are blind.

    and you want to read a book.

    wait for the book on tape? braille edition? have someone read it to you? how about having someTHING read it to you.

    wave the device over the book/legal document/postal mail; it automatically scans, merges, converts to machine readable text, then text-to-speach.

    and heck, have it translate languages at the same time. both written and spoken.

  62. Imagine by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 1

    You are contrcting for a University at a Department of Energy facility, and your shiny, new 1000$ phone is confiscated and you lose clearance...

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  63. Imminent Threat Department by WaltFrench · · Score: 1

    The last of 471 words in TFA: NEC and NAIST say they do not plan to commercialise their software for three years.

    Not exactly "Comet to Hit Earth in 10 Hours, Wiping Out All Life," is it? Couple of engineers develop a proof of concept and their firms' PHBs insist on the obligatory "can't cause harm" statement. I guess newspaper sellers in Tokyo can breathe a little easier.

    And slashdotters can stop hyperventilating, too.

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  64. Been there, done that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Back in my college years, examinations' correct answers where hung by the professors' door in a crystal-covered cabinet. It wasn't allowed to Xerox them (God knows why) so you had to copy a 10 pages examination by hand, without any table in the middle of a crowd of people doing the same. When cheap digital cameras arrived it was a matter of seconds.

  65. No one complained when James Bond did it by elrous0 · · Score: 1
    If I wore a tuxedo would I still get copyright complaints?

    -Eric

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  66. I'm waiting for higher-resolution cameras... by Myself · · Score: 2, Funny

    so I can just point at the underside of a CD, click the shutter button, and have some software read the image and assemble the .iso for me.

  67. Re:real-time super-resolution & 3D model gener by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cue La Bamba from Conan:

    In the yeeeeeeaaar toooooo thousand.....and fifteen.

  68. how do you get the necessary resolution? by blackest_k · · Score: 1

    what kind of resolution is this camera phone going to have? ocr to be successful
    really needs 600 dpi and most current generation phones work on 640 by 480 at best
    so would require 1 inch to fill the screen and 20cm is not close enough for that.

    even moving around its going to be quite a feat to scan an a4 sized document and ocr it.

    1. Re:how do you get the necessary resolution? by JSBiff · · Score: 1

      Well, I don't know for sure, but I've heard of technologies where you can take multiple low-res captures of the same scene, and interpolate a higher-res image from the multiple low-res images. (I first heard of this technique in conjunction with some NASA mars rover, I believe, where it would get higher-rez images from low rez CCD's, by this type of technique).

      Perhaps this does the same thing? You scan the camera around, and as it's moving, you get multiple captures of the page, and between each capture, there is a certain amount of 'overlay' between them, and you can then use the portion of 'overlay' from each to interpolate a higher-resolution than the camera is physically capable of?

  69. Back to reality, please! by mangu · · Score: 1
    WHY do cellphones have cameras? Did YOU ask for your cellphone to have a camera? Did you WANT your cellphone to have a camera? Did you have a USE for your cellphone to have a camera?

    Or did it suddenly appear, despite the added expense, on a consumer item in a cost-sensitve, highly competitive, industry?

    Dominated by manufacturers in places like Japan...


    AFAIK, the cell phone industry has been dominated by three manufacturers, Nokia, Ericsson, and Motorola, none of which is Japanese.

    1. Re:Back to reality, please! by ThaFooz · · Score: 1

      You're forgetting Samsung, which I believe is Korean.

    2. Re:Back to reality, please! by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      You're forgetting Samsung, which I believe is Korean.

      And Korea these days is doing to Japan what Japan did to the US in the '60s. (Complete with riots of threatened Japanese workers...)

      Ericsson is Sweeden. They make mainly central office equipment and the like and make their handsets in a joint ventur with Sony: "Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications". (Gee, where's Sony? B-) )

      Nokia is Finland.

      Motorola is US - and (like Nokia) is currently rolling out a bare-bones $40 cost handset, sans camera and the like. (They want to sell a billion of 'em - fast nickels being better than slow dimes.)

      However: The crack in my original post implying the inclusion of cameras and text scanners might be a conspiracy by businesses in "places like Japan" to set up another opportunity for plausibly-deniable industrial espionage was intended as humor. (That's why the "tinfoil hat" preface. Besides: If it WERE serious you'd expect it from elsewhere anyhow. Japan already used that trick and is now a leader rather than a bootstrapper.)

      The observation that Japan's corporations got away with major industrial espionage once with a camera fad, and lots of people could do it again with the current cellphone camera/text scanner features, is the meat of the post.

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  70. Copyright my behind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Copyright concerns? Like, umm, a photocopier?

  71. Doesn't sound so convenient...Being stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well no. Stupid is trying to turn every story into an "Us verses THEM" conspiracy. As the other three posters have pointed out. (don't know why they had to? you should have been able to figure it out?) There are other reasons for having a beeping phone. And as the last AC said. It's easy to critisize others for protecting their hard work when you yourself have nothing to lose.

    1. Re:Doesn't sound so convenient...Being stupid. by khallow · · Score: 1
      It's easy to critisize others for protecting their hard work when you yourself have nothing to lose.

      Well, looks like we have something to lose here, unless you think there's nothing wrong with imposing a nuissance on hundreds of millions of people merely because a few will use a phone in an illegal manner? I'm sorry, but this "hard work" just isn't that valuable to society that we have to go to ridiculous lengths to prevent a few episodes of copying.

  72. Error rate by MarkusQ · · Score: 1

    I remeber going into a linrary when I was at high school and writing down passages that I thought I could use in an essay.

    Any idea what your error rate was?

    --MarkusQ

  73. HP did this in the 90's with Capshare by Safe+Sex+Goddess · · Score: 2, Informative

    HP Had a product called Capshare that was a handheld scanner that you could run over a page and then it would put everything together on your PC. It was a great little product, but I don't think they marketed it well. It was perfect for anyone who was doing researcher. http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/prodCategory?dl c=en&lc=en&cc=us&product=304005

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  74. Diffusy Cell Phone Cam Window by SharpNose · · Score: 1

    I noticed that while the camera in my Sanyo phone has nice color rendition, its images are always kind of fuzzy. Turns out, when I examined the camera lens, the clear plastic cover over the lens has a slight texture to it, much like a Cokin diffusion filter.

    Does anyone know if that was done to deliberately cripple the camera? I've a mind to take some plastic polish and see if I can improve it.

    1. Re:Diffusy Cell Phone Cam Window by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, did you take the protective plastic film off that covers the lense when you buy the phone...

  75. One small scan, one big scandal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice to see these tech companies enabling phones as espionage devices. "Competitor Report - Internal Use Only" - phoned out, gone... etc.

    And explain to me why building lobby driods 'mark' me for having a camera, but never touch a soul with a phone that has camera function? Down and away with cell phones.

  76. a subject line for the jackoff /. subject-nazi bot by romeo_in_blk_jeans · · Score: 1

    "I find your lack of foresight disturbing."
    -- Darth Mythandros

    This really isn't news. Company A didn't forsee company B inventing something that will put company A out of business. Boo Hoo, too bad, so sad. Life goes on. Sure, this is slightly different in that we're talking about copyright issues but the fact of the matter is that technology progresses. Period. This topic isn't open for debate. You cannot contain this phenominon. Just like me, it's a force of nature. P2P and camera phones are here to stay so get used to it.

    Adapt or die, baby. Adapt or die.

  77. wow! by binarybum · · Score: 1

    The company claims that any attempts to mute the device somehow or plug in headphones will not affect the audibility of this alarm.

      this is much more impressive than the scanner feature. How is NEC able to defy the basic laws of acoustic physics by making something that has a non-variabile decible level regardless of what you do to the device?

        -- btw, I'm not sure the copyright concerns are worth worrying about. I've seen devices cable of doing this sort of thing much faster in libraries for years! no one seems to have cracked down on them yet.

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    1. Re:wow! by jtgd · · Score: 1

      At least in Qualcomm BREW phones, you can direct the sound to the earphone, normal earpiece, or far-field (ringer) speaker under software control. Plugging in a headphone does not mean that the speaker is disabled.

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  78. Doesn't sound so convenient...Being stupid.-II by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Well, looks like we have something to lose here, unless you think there's nothing wrong with imposing a nuissance on hundreds of millions of people merely because a few will use a phone in an illegal manner? "

    I would be repeating what the other three posters said if I answered this.

    "I'm sorry, but this "hard work" just isn't that valuable to society that we have to go to ridiculous lengths to prevent a few episodes of copying."

    If actions speak louder than words, then all that "hard work" is indeed valuable? Valuable enough to purchase, and valuable enough to spread illegally over every distribution method known to man.

    If you want to convince others that all the artists "hard work" isn't as valuable as you say? Then prove it by not buying it, and don't accept any illegal copies.

    But like I said. When it isn't your "hard work" being infringed on then it is easy to criticize others.

  79. Steal This Post. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The copyright owners are bitching about people scanning their content without paying for it."

    Blah! Blah! We slashdotters know that only happens in the movies.

    "If they were any good at creating value, instead of just clamping down as toll takers, they'd use this innovation to get ahead of the wave."

    Blah! Blah! Blame the victims.

    "We already have magazines sold on newsstands in shrinkwrap to prevent pageflipping without purchase (as usual, pornographers are more in touch with the market than anyone else)."

    Blah! Blah! People don't read an entire magazine without purchasing. That's net fiction.

    "Some magazines include CD-ROMs in the bag to encourage purchase. Why don't publishers publish each issue as a brochure, a glorified "table of contents"?

    Blah! Blah! Break what isn't broke.

    "Just the cover, without the actual content. With a barcode for phones to scan, which downloads the content to the phone for a fee (and maybe postal mails a hardcopy)."

    Blah! Blah! I'm a geek without enough skill to market all these wonderful slashdot ideas.

    "Printed articles can be stored behind the counter, pulled from a box when a customer hands over the "cover" from a rack in the store. That maximizes display space, prevents other pilferage."

    Blah! Blah! Bring back the pageturner.

    "And moves these paper publishers further into "ebooks", where they can figure out how to make us read their crap without having to kill so many trees (which will cut costs while increasing readership)."

    Blah! Blah! Ignore the lessons learned from when music went digital.

    "Especially since magazine content is time-sensitive, they're in a terrific position to harness the free distribution among networked readers, while the passage of time forces people to get new content all the time."

    Blah! Blah! I don't want to get out of bed in order to get things.

    "If they spent as much time innovating as they do whining and hating their customers, we'd all be a lot better informed, and they'd be even richer. Why should I do all the work, and have all the fun?"

    Blah! Blah! Let's redefine "customer" so we'll feel better.

  80. Yippee by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    I sure hope you're not just a blathering Anonymous copyright holder Coward. Because you're roadkill on the infobahn. Whether or not I respect copyrights, the fact is that most people won't, when copying content is more convenient than using it within archaic customs that relied on tech inadequacy to enforce that copyright. Now that tech makes it so much easier to copy than not to, copyright alone is too flimsy to make many people, eventually most people, act in accordance with it. If well-behaved Japanese are threatening their own corporate content publishers, the world just isn't safe for content protected by copyright alone.

    So take your "blame" and your "victim" down the tubes with you. I point out how content owners can actually exercise control without relying on unenforceable rules. How using the new "customs" to their advantage can make everything more convenient, more profitable, less wasteful for every party to the transaction. Suck down your guilt trip, your slavish defense of lazy copyright holders relying on lawyers for innovation. And watch is tears as those who do get with the program excel, profit, and mostly forget lame "temporary artificial monopoly" moralists like you in the swirling mists of capitalist history. Or wipe your eyes, shut your mouth, and watch those who can swing in this new reality get it on. Or maybe just read about it, too late, in next month's "PTO Journal". Pass it on, Anonymous anachronism Coward.

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  81. Copyright is important by ChaosDiscord · · Score: 1

    What's important isn't the whining of copyright holders that this makes it "too easy" to infringe copyright. What's important is that this is a stunning reminder that for all of human history humankind has worked to make it easier and easier to reproduce and circulate information. Spoken language, written language, block printing, movable type, typewriters, telegraphs, telephones, radio, television, laser printers, file sharing, the internet. It's not about to stop. This should be a wake up call (much like the previous 10 wake-up calls) that copyright based industries need to start thinking about new models. Expecting humanity to stop advancing technology is stupid.

  82. I don't get it.. by Sigg3.net · · Score: 1

    We've had scanners for years, handheld scanners too, but have you ever copied a real book page-by-page?
    I have.
    Believe me, it is not something worth doing.
    And I honestly don't believe the "blackmarket warez doodez" will suddenly start sending around CDs with lists of books you can get..

  83. Made In Japan by technoCon · · Score: 1

    The real mark of shame was "Made In Japan." When I was a kid (60s), Japanese goods were synonymous with cheap and shoddy. I recall playing with toys of flimsy sheet metal and the backside was painted like it was from a recycled tin can. The reputation for making junk must have stung and the Japanese reversed this SO thoroughly, that in 1985 the movie "Back To The Future's" Dr. Brown of 1955 claims the time-machine was made of junk b/c of "made in Japan" on the electronic components. Marty replies that "all the best stuff comes from Japan."

    I think that the Post-WW2 experience of Japan and Germany will serve as textbook examples of howto do redevelopment after disaster. I'm proud of how America helped them succeed.