Any anti-cheat technology that relies on a check occurring client side is untrustworthy. So why isn't more being done to prevent this on the server side? I mean, all data has to pass through the server, right?
What's wrong with server-side auditing? How much load does your average game server carry? Does anyone with industry experience have an estimate as to how much load this auditing would add? What data is the server receiving from each client? What data does it generate? What data does it pass back to a client? How does multiplayer fps cheating work?
Would it really be that hard to check if any given attack attempted to pass through a wall, if the client's movement path was interrupted (teleportation), or if the client had an extroradinary hit ratio? You wouldn't even need to check for all of these continuously. If you meet certain parameters, you're promoted to a "pro-league". If you exceed certain parameters, your IP is kick/banned for X number of hours.
Seriously, there needs to be some server side sanity checking of data.
My father in law has a laptop with a thumbprint scanner. Can't access his files unless he slaps his thumb onto the scanner.
It sounds like a great idea until you consider the fact that he cooks a lot. I'm going to laugh the first time he cuts his thumb and can't access his oh-so-vital work files for a week.
Yep. I won't forget my password unless I suffer some pretty severe brain damage. He could lose access by accident.
Free? I thought you were paying a monthly fee and, included for that monthly fee, were two in-store vouchers.
I don't see anything "free" here. Just a lot of Blockbuster marketing that's performing excellently at it's intended job. In fact, most of the posts here mention "free in store rentals". If the best thing that BB has to offer are "free" (paid for by your monthly subscription fee, aka "not free") rentals, why bother with blockbuster at all?
I'm curious: Does BB online have the same selection as Netflix?
"Yes, except that if you have Blockbuster Online you get coupons for free in-store rentals (either 2 per month, valid for the whole month, or 1 per week, valid only for the week). Therefore, you can satisfy your spur-of-the-moment movie fix without paying anything extra."
I have never understood how paying a monthly fee equates to free. Free is only free if you don't pay for it. You are paying a monthly fee, therefore you are getting nothing free. You only call it free because Blockbuster propaganda has billed it to you this way and you have taken their marketing bait hook, line, and sinker. I'm not trying to be hostile. Just understand that you pay a monthly fee for those 2 in store vouchers. You're paying for them.
Essentially, TFA says that myspace/youtube have been successfull because they allow the user to make whatever kind of horrendous looking website they want to at the touch of a button. Personally, I don't think that myspace's popularity has so much to do with accessability as the current popularity of "blogging."
In addition to laughably small voter turnouts and public apathy, the USA has another problem called "Political Correctness". It leads to silly words like "Congressperson". Related to "Political Correctness" is oversensitivity coupled with mercenary opportunism that leads to people suing other people because they spilled hot coffee on their own crotch. Let's not forget the developing sense of entitlement in this country; abuse directed at customer service rep's is at an all time high.
Oh NOES! Let's not call a spade "a spade". It might *gasp* OFFEND someone!
You know what? Maybe we need to start offending some people. Maybe American's have developed too thin a skin. Maybe someone needs to start speaking the truth and rubbing our noses in the mess we've all created like the idiot mongrels we are. Maybe some Americans need to start speaking ill of their fellow countrymen instead of encouraging more of this "no one loses" attitude.
The one thought that comforts me at night is that there exists an immutable and absolute truth: no empire has ever stood the test of time. The United States of America is an empire and it, too, shall fall. I'm just sad that I won't be alive to watch the economic collapse. Whatever rises from the ashes couldn't be any worse than what we have now.
When the next big MMORPG comes out with game play on par with WoW, the only factor to consider will be server stability. When Company X comes out with a good MMORPG and offers server stability like Blizzard never has, Blizzard will have their collective asses handed to them on a silver platter.
It won't matter whose fault it is for the server outages, Blizzard will be the ones losing money. Watch how quickly they clean up their act. Mark my words.
Since we're making silly analogies here, let's take your argument to its logical extreme. Are you trying to suggest that a human life is worth less than $4000?
Fact: The guy pirated music and got caught.
His life is not over. He will not need to give up any hope of having a career or being successful. He will not need to work as spooge-mopper for the corner porn shop until he's 65.
He will need to drop out of school for a semester, possibly two. He will need to get some roommates. He will need to pay back what he owes. He took a gamble and lost. Don't tell me he was so busy studing like a good little geekling that he never heard about the illegality of copying music or what the RIAA has been doing to those who can't affort to fight them *cough*students*cough*. He goes to MIT for god's sake! He's CLEARLY an intelligent human being. He knew what the potential consequences were but decided to play the game anyways. He rolled the dice and lost. Now, he's whining that his actions have *gasp* CONSEQUENCES!! Oh NOES!
I'm really not sympathetic to people that feel the need to pirate copyrighted music. There are so many bands out there that haven't signed their souls, firstborn, and left kidney over to the RIAA. Not all of them are bad. Some of them, in fact, are quite good -- much better than what you'll hear broadcast from radio wasteland. How about checking them out instead?
Never the less, I agree that RIAA tactics are grey at best and border on extortion. This isn't so much a case of "eeeeevil plaintiff" as "flawed legal system".
I absolutely LOVE the part where you lump mind-destroying narcotics in with the rest of the list. It certainly lends credence to everything else you have to say.
"...Otherwise, he set up some macros on his Logitech keyboard to perform some repetitive tasks. He set those in motion, put up a 'Do Not Disturb' message, and then proceeded to go off and do something else (which admittedly was watching the movie on the other monitor). While this is not a bot program, per se, how is this not running a bot? It's unattended automated actions performed repeatedly..."
A bot must be self-monitoring. Anything that can't self-monitor isn't a bot -- it's a script. If scripting violates the ToS, he's busted. This clearly isn't a bot.
"Not so much, IMHO. Basically the only thing we can do in the face of a terrible employer is leave, and most of us can't afford to do that unless we have something else lined up."
True. Finding a new job can be rough. I won't deny that for a second. The fact remains that the only thing stopping someone from going out and getting that new job is their own level of motivation.
"The problem caused that hurts their overall productivity and incurs turnover-related costs will be remedied by giving your job to someone else, in addition to the other 3 jobs they're doing." -- BVis
Here's a bigger problem: working for companies that think assigning 3 full time jobs to one person is acceptable. Corporations would like nothing more than to make us all think that we have to take their shit. We don't. Even in a bad economy, we only have to take their shit for as long as it takes to find another job.
You are in control of your own destiny. You decide what's acceptable or not. You decide who you work for.
We have much more power than the corporations would like us to think.
"If they were smart enough to actually do something with their life other than working for someone else, then they would branch off and start their own company. If they arent smart enough, then I am doing them a favor by employing them and helping them feed themselves." -- ranton
Wow. Do you realize how cocky and arrogant that sounds? You're "doing them a favor"? Why kind of overinflated sense of self importance must you have to even consider saying something like this, let alone voice as much?
Have you ever considered that this very attitude is the reason why Americans work, on average, more hours than the workers of any other industrialized nation on earth?
Let's ignore for a moment that, in reality, you live in a symbiosis. These are people you're talking about. Humans. Living, breathing people. They're no less important or relevant than your mother, brother, father, or best friend. How, then, do you rationalize such condesention?
"Pranking kids, you say? I thought that at 18 you became an adult in the eyes of the law. It's when you register for selective service and also when you become legally responsible for your actions (instead of your parents, who were responsible from 0 to 17). There were no kids involved here, just an adult who did something stupid."
Congratulation on successfully fixating on two words in my original post, thus completely missing the point all together.
You see, my point was that the "adults" (they threw what amounts to a temper tantrum -- i'm not sure how "adult" that is) in charge completely over reacted to a childish prank. The kid didn't bring the local DMV's website to it's knees. It's not like people couldn't renew their license and were thusly in danger of getting arrested for driving on an expired license. He didn't cripple Chase Manhattan's website and cut people off from hundreds of millions of dollars of their collective money. He made his school's website slow down. "Slow" and "unresponsive" are not the same thing. Furthermore, the article did not even make it sound like the schools servers were unusable. They were simply slower than usual!
Might I remind you that one of the formative principles of the USA was "let the punishment fit the crime" -- yet American's have a problem with over reacting. If something goes wrong, everyone gets sued. Arrest him! Sue her! How about informing the fella that you know what he's doing and threaten to take school-level disciplinary action before you send in the FBI to bust his door down like he's smuggling columbian crack to american children?
This is a power play by people in charge. They're trying to assert dominance. This country isn't a land of dominants and submissives. It's a land of laws, freedoms, and rights.
Annoying the school principle is not worth felony charges.
I'm sorry if this is abrasive but it directly addresses the fallacy of each successive generation thinking that "the kids nowadays" are less respectful of their elders then they were as children. It's not true, you know. Kids don't become more and more disrespectful with each generation. Adults just get older and more crotchety. Hell, I've noticed myself heading toward this attitude and i'm only 30!
Anyways, if "these kids" really are disrespectful at age 18, wouldn't it be the fault of the 40 to 50 year olds that gave birth to them for ineffectual parenting? Isn't that the age bracket that's in charge here?
Exhaust clearance is something that people who own component audio systems have had in the back of their mind for a couple dozen years now. Just because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean it's a new phenominon.
If you find yourself worked up into a frothing tizzy over the fact that you can't hide your power supply under your oven while you're baking shit and expect proper operation, you have no right to own a console.
I keep seeing all these posts claiming that immediate termination on submission of resignation is SOP. I keep hearing that it's SOP for the purpose of mitigating the risk factor involved with keeping folks on after resignation.
Here's my question: You work for a large national bank. You hire people to work with millions of dollars. They obviously have to be very intelligent to perform this job. If they do not posess sufficient intelligence to take your clients with them before they tender their resignation, would they have ever been hired in the first place?
Thus, your security procedures serve two functions. a) assuage the consciences of VP's b) close the barn door after the horses are out
Am I right? I mean, there's no way of knowing that someone's going to leave until they actually drop their letter of resignation on the boss's desk (unless you've got some really good survielance that borders on privacy invasion). Until such time, they can do whatever they want -- that means plundering their client files and the client files of every other banker there. What I'm saying is that if I'm slick enough to get a job with you where I juggle 7 figures worth of cash on a daily basis, I'm sure as hell going to be slick enough to take all your clients with me before I cut myself loose. Furthermore, I'm going to do it in such a way as to not open myself up to legal liabilities associated with theft of confidential information. Unless of course I, a college dropout, happen to be smarter than 90% of the investment bankers out there. I hope that's not the case.
So which is it? Are your policies useless or am I smarter than your co-workers?
I'm not trying to start a fight. I just see something that seems so intuitively backwards, designed by so many that are supposed to be smarter than me, that it's a little upsetting to me.
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Ok, so...
Any anti-cheat technology that relies on a check occurring client side is untrustworthy. So why isn't more being done to prevent this on the server side? I mean, all data has to pass through the server, right?
What's wrong with server-side auditing? How much load does your average game server carry? Does anyone with industry experience have an estimate as to how much load this auditing would add? What data is the server receiving from each client? What data does it generate? What data does it pass back to a client? How does multiplayer fps cheating work?
Would it really be that hard to check if any given attack attempted to pass through a wall, if the client's movement path was interrupted (teleportation), or if the client had an extroradinary hit ratio? You wouldn't even need to check for all of these continuously. If you meet certain parameters, you're promoted to a "pro-league". If you exceed certain parameters, your IP is kick/banned for X number of hours.
Seriously, there needs to be some server side sanity checking of data.
My father in law has a laptop with a thumbprint scanner. Can't access his files unless he slaps his thumb onto the scanner.
It sounds like a great idea until you consider the fact that he cooks a lot. I'm going to laugh the first time he cuts his thumb and can't access his oh-so-vital work files for a week.
Yep. I won't forget my password unless I suffer some pretty severe brain damage. He could lose access by accident.
Free? I thought you were paying a monthly fee and, included for that monthly fee, were two in-store vouchers.
I don't see anything "free" here. Just a lot of Blockbuster marketing that's performing excellently at it's intended job. In fact, most of the posts here mention "free in store rentals". If the best thing that BB has to offer are "free" (paid for by your monthly subscription fee, aka "not free") rentals, why bother with blockbuster at all?
I'm curious: Does BB online have the same selection as Netflix?
"Yes, except that if you have Blockbuster Online you get coupons for free in-store rentals (either 2 per month, valid for the whole month, or 1 per week, valid only for the week). Therefore, you can satisfy your spur-of-the-moment movie fix without paying anything extra."
I have never understood how paying a monthly fee equates to free. Free is only free if you don't pay for it. You are paying a monthly fee, therefore you are getting nothing free. You only call it free because Blockbuster propaganda has billed it to you this way and you have taken their marketing bait hook, line, and sinker. I'm not trying to be hostile. Just understand that you pay a monthly fee for those 2 in store vouchers. You're paying for them.
Essentially, TFA says that myspace/youtube have been successfull because they allow the user to make whatever kind of horrendous looking website they want to at the touch of a button. Personally, I don't think that myspace's popularity has so much to do with accessability as the current popularity of "blogging."
In addition to laughably small voter turnouts and public apathy, the USA has another problem called "Political Correctness". It leads to silly words like "Congressperson". Related to "Political Correctness" is oversensitivity coupled with mercenary opportunism that leads to people suing other people because they spilled hot coffee on their own crotch. Let's not forget the developing sense of entitlement in this country; abuse directed at customer service rep's is at an all time high.
Oh NOES! Let's not call a spade "a spade". It might *gasp* OFFEND someone!
You know what? Maybe we need to start offending some people. Maybe American's have developed too thin a skin. Maybe someone needs to start speaking the truth and rubbing our noses in the mess we've all created like the idiot mongrels we are. Maybe some Americans need to start speaking ill of their fellow countrymen instead of encouraging more of this "no one loses" attitude.
The one thought that comforts me at night is that there exists an immutable and absolute truth: no empire has ever stood the test of time. The United States of America is an empire and it, too, shall fall. I'm just sad that I won't be alive to watch the economic collapse. Whatever rises from the ashes couldn't be any worse than what we have now.
Go me!
When the next big MMORPG comes out with game play on par with WoW, the only factor to consider will be server stability. When Company X comes out with a good MMORPG and offers server stability like Blizzard never has, Blizzard will have their collective asses handed to them on a silver platter.
It won't matter whose fault it is for the server outages, Blizzard will be the ones losing money. Watch how quickly they clean up their act. Mark my words.
THIS is why competition is a good thing.
Since we're making silly analogies here, let's take your argument to its logical extreme. Are you trying to suggest that a human life is worth less than $4000?
Fact: The guy pirated music and got caught.
His life is not over. He will not need to give up any hope of having a career or being successful. He will not need to work as spooge-mopper for the corner porn shop until he's 65.
He will need to drop out of school for a semester, possibly two. He will need to get some roommates. He will need to pay back what he owes. He took a gamble and lost. Don't tell me he was so busy studing like a good little geekling that he never heard about the illegality of copying music or what the RIAA has been doing to those who can't affort to fight them *cough*students*cough*. He goes to MIT for god's sake! He's CLEARLY an intelligent human being. He knew what the potential consequences were but decided to play the game anyways. He rolled the dice and lost. Now, he's whining that his actions have *gasp* CONSEQUENCES!! Oh NOES!
I'm really not sympathetic to people that feel the need to pirate copyrighted music. There are so many bands out there that haven't signed their souls, firstborn, and left kidney over to the RIAA. Not all of them are bad. Some of them, in fact, are quite good -- much better than what you'll hear broadcast from radio wasteland. How about checking them out instead?
Your analogy is severely and fatally flawed.
Never the less, I agree that RIAA tactics are grey at best and border on extortion. This isn't so much a case of "eeeeevil plaintiff" as "flawed legal system".
I absolutely LOVE the part where you lump mind-destroying narcotics in with the rest of the list. It certainly lends credence to everything else you have to say.
There we go. Blizzard states in thier ToS that using automation will result in a ban? He used automation, therefore he was banned.
Not learning the ToS by heart is playing with fire. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
Of course, having a 60th level anything is pretty lame. He wasted 300 hours of his life and he has nothing to show for it.
"...Otherwise, he set up some macros on his Logitech keyboard to perform some repetitive tasks. He set those in motion, put up a 'Do Not Disturb' message, and then proceeded to go off and do something else (which admittedly was watching the movie on the other monitor). While this is not a bot program, per se, how is this not running a bot? It's unattended automated actions performed repeatedly..."
A bot must be self-monitoring. Anything that can't self-monitor isn't a bot -- it's a script. If scripting violates the ToS, he's busted. This clearly isn't a bot.
I have no desire to purchase books with DRM. Until books stop coming with DRM, I'll never purchase an e-book.
If that means I never purchase an e-book, so be it.
Nope.
US soldiers are trying to bring peace to a region with a 3,000 year history of violence, war and attempted genocide.
That is the problem US soldiers are having.
Ok, this new text conveys an entirely different sentiment than your O.P.
It also doesn't contain anything I find objectionable or erroneous.
"Not so much, IMHO. Basically the only thing we can do in the face of a terrible employer is leave, and most of us can't afford to do that unless we have something else lined up."
True. Finding a new job can be rough. I won't deny that for a second. The fact remains that the only thing stopping someone from going out and getting that new job is their own level of motivation.
"The problem caused that hurts their overall productivity and incurs turnover-related costs will be remedied by giving your job to someone else, in addition to the other 3 jobs they're doing." -- BVis
Here's a bigger problem: working for companies that think assigning 3 full time jobs to one person is acceptable. Corporations would like nothing more than to make us all think that we have to take their shit. We don't. Even in a bad economy, we only have to take their shit for as long as it takes to find another job.
You are in control of your own destiny. You decide what's acceptable or not. You decide who you work for.
We have much more power than the corporations would like us to think.
"If they were smart enough to actually do something with their life other than working for someone else, then they would branch off and start their own company. If they arent smart enough, then I am doing them a favor by employing them and helping them feed themselves." -- ranton
Wow. Do you realize how cocky and arrogant that sounds? You're "doing them a favor"? Why kind of overinflated sense of self importance must you have to even consider saying something like this, let alone voice as much?
Have you ever considered that this very attitude is the reason why Americans work, on average, more hours than the workers of any other industrialized nation on earth?
Let's ignore for a moment that, in reality, you live in a symbiosis. These are people you're talking about. Humans. Living, breathing people. They're no less important or relevant than your mother, brother, father, or best friend. How, then, do you rationalize such condesention?
What about a faraday cage?
"Pranking kids, you say? I thought that at 18 you became an adult in the eyes of the law. It's when you register for selective service and also when you become legally responsible for your actions (instead of your parents, who were responsible from 0 to 17). There were no kids involved here, just an adult who did something stupid."
Congratulation on successfully fixating on two words in my original post, thus completely missing the point all together.
You see, my point was that the "adults" (they threw what amounts to a temper tantrum -- i'm not sure how "adult" that is) in charge completely over reacted to a childish prank. The kid didn't bring the local DMV's website to it's knees. It's not like people couldn't renew their license and were thusly in danger of getting arrested for driving on an expired license. He didn't cripple Chase Manhattan's website and cut people off from hundreds of millions of dollars of their collective money. He made his school's website slow down. "Slow" and "unresponsive" are not the same thing. Furthermore, the article did not even make it sound like the schools servers were unusable. They were simply slower than usual!
Might I remind you that one of the formative principles of the USA was "let the punishment fit the crime" -- yet American's have a problem with over reacting. If something goes wrong, everyone gets sued. Arrest him! Sue her! How about informing the fella that you know what he's doing and threaten to take school-level disciplinary action before you send in the FBI to bust his door down like he's smuggling columbian crack to american children?
This is a power play by people in charge. They're trying to assert dominance. This country isn't a land of dominants and submissives. It's a land of laws, freedoms, and rights.
Annoying the school principle is not worth felony charges.
I'm sorry if this is abrasive but it directly addresses the fallacy of each successive generation thinking that "the kids nowadays" are less respectful of their elders then they were as children. It's not true, you know. Kids don't become more and more disrespectful with each generation. Adults just get older and more crotchety. Hell, I've noticed myself heading toward this attitude and i'm only 30!
Anyways, if "these kids" really are disrespectful at age 18, wouldn't it be the fault of the 40 to 50 year olds that gave birth to them for ineffectual parenting? Isn't that the age bracket that's in charge here?
"Think about it." -- Nick, Falling Down
...and because they decided to treat pranking kids like hardened criminals *cough*FELONY CHARGE*cough*, they're getting /.ed
Clearly, that's preferable to letting the short attention span of most high schoolers handle the first DoS.
Actually...
Exhaust clearance is something that people who own component audio systems have had in the back of their mind for a couple dozen years now. Just because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean it's a new phenominon.
If you find yourself worked up into a frothing tizzy over the fact that you can't hide your power supply under your oven while you're baking shit and expect proper operation, you have no right to own a console.
Word.
...is create a black market economy. The tighter they squeeze, the more grains of sand will slip through their fingers.
I keep seeing all these posts claiming that immediate termination on submission of resignation is SOP. I keep hearing that it's SOP for the purpose of mitigating the risk factor involved with keeping folks on after resignation.
Here's my question: You work for a large national bank. You hire people to work with millions of dollars. They obviously have to be very intelligent to perform this job. If they do not posess sufficient intelligence to take your clients with them before they tender their resignation, would they have ever been hired in the first place?
Thus, your security procedures serve two functions.
a) assuage the consciences of VP's
b) close the barn door after the horses are out
Am I right? I mean, there's no way of knowing that someone's going to leave until they actually drop their letter of resignation on the boss's desk (unless you've got some really good survielance that borders on privacy invasion). Until such time, they can do whatever they want -- that means plundering their client files and the client files of every other banker there. What I'm saying is that if I'm slick enough to get a job with you where I juggle 7 figures worth of cash on a daily basis, I'm sure as hell going to be slick enough to take all your clients with me before I cut myself loose. Furthermore, I'm going to do it in such a way as to not open myself up to legal liabilities associated with theft of confidential information. Unless of course I, a college dropout, happen to be smarter than 90% of the investment bankers out there. I hope that's not the case.
So which is it? Are your policies useless or am I smarter than your co-workers?
I'm not trying to start a fight. I just see something that seems so intuitively backwards, designed by so many that are supposed to be smarter than me, that it's a little upsetting to me.